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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Here's what I don't get. A parent is told that a prenatal test reveals a 1 in 99 chance of a birth defect, and is (understandably) nervous until it's resolved.
BUT, anyone with a vaccinated child could have a child who, unbeknownst to them, didn't pick up full immunity, and any anti-vaxxer's kid could have a 1% or more of making them sick or even killing them, and we're not all angry at being subjected to this avoidable risk?
It's infuriating, and it's all of our business.
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
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Why would anyone want to take a chance on their child getting one of these diseases if it can be prevented? I guess that's the part I do not understand. I have 4 children and all were vaccinated. God forbid one of them got sick, suffered or even died because I didn't. How do you live with yourself??
I can speak for myself personally. After watching my DD have a rare and severe reaction to the 4th prevnar - 107 plus fever for two days, etx (you can look up my old post from the night it happened) - I feel like I couldn't live with myself if I gave her another shot. With the Grace of God she did not suffer any long term consequences however she could have easily from a fever this high. Is this common no- but now that this happened to her I realize she is for some reason susceptible to these rare life altering side effects from vaccines. These are not in my head, they are real actual risks and dangers as per the companies product inserts. There ARE kids who suffer severe life altering reactions to these shots that are worse than any of these diseases. It's a fact - read the insert in the vaccine from the company. I can live with myself becuse for my child the chances of contracting and suffering life altering effects are far lower than the risk from these shots. Can any parent honestly say if they witnessed their child go through this they wouldn't do the same or at the very least hesitate before vaccinating??? For what it's worth my first dc also suffered reactions to every shot but they were all within the realm of normal and thus he is fully vaccinated. Having a family member that died from a rare but real vaccine complication - I'm not about to take that chance with my child.
Eta: my doctor who witnessed the reaction is fully on board with the above.
and to me your reasons are 10000% justifiable for not continuing to vaccinate your dc based upon adverse reactions and the exact need for herd immunity.
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
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I could be wrong, but didn't we have to show our immunizations before we started school & be up to date with them? I just started DS in Pre School and I had to provide his immunization schedule before he started.
As a parent this makes me very very scared and very angry. Especially with #2 arriving soon. From what I understand it's scientifically proven that vaccinations DO NOT cause developmental delays or underlying issues.
What scientific research has been conducted to prove that these vaccinations cause autism, Aspergers etc?
I'm honestly asking because I never did delayed or opted out of vaccinations, so I never did the research.
The "research" that was shown to cause Autism has been completely debunked. In fact, the physician lost his medical license and was fined (I believe he was fined, I know for a fact he lost his license - he was a UK doctor). He admitted to having fabricated the entire thing. Do some children have allergic reactions to vaccines? Sure, but there are also children who have allergic reactions to foods, vitamins, antibiotics, tylenol, etc.
Exactly this! It drives me nuts when people like Jenny McCarthy add fuel to the fire; especially since all this "research" was false. Some people still run with it - which is what leads to panic and people making ill-informed choices.
This is a good open letter to read: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/02/open-letter-parent-unvaccinated-child-measles-exposure
a big myth nowadays is a lot pro vaxxers think people are anti vaxxers because of autism. of course there are still people out there who believe that vaccines cause autism (and people have direct personal experience) but there are a zillion other things people are legitimately afraid of from vaccinating.
I agree that there are people with many different reasons why they don't vaccinate. I'm just saying that there are public figures that are speaking about things that they do not have the medical background to back up. My question with the people who have direct personal experience with vaccines supposedly causing autism is how do they know that their child would not have been on the spectrum if they had chosen not to vaccinate? Meaning if they didn't vaccinate and still had a child on the spectrum, what would they believe is to blame then? Not trying to start an argument or anything, just saying that I think that people look for something to blame and vaccines seems like the easy choice since there has been noise about it.
Many people believe that their kids already had a natural disposition towards being on the spectrum and the vaccine is what put them over the edge or worsened the condition. I'm speaking in really general terms right now because everyone has had different experiences.
There are public figures speaking up because it's a polarizing subject which, imo is still in need of more research about the rare but potential reactions.
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
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And don't get me wrong I constantly struggle with what to do - I am of course not 100 percent comfortable not completely vaccinating but, I feel I just cannot take the chance of another serious vaccine reaction - in that case I really couldn't live with myself
Sorry, but I do not see this as a case of being anti vaccine or choosing not to. This is a medical reason why your child cannot get a vaccine, like someone who has an allergy to a component. They fall under the category of people who need herd immunity to cover them. I just don't see this as anti vaccinating, medical reasons (cancer, certain illnesses, allergies etc) are not choosing to not vaccinate, they cannot, putting them in a category with babies, immunosuppressed etc.
Etd to add btw I see everyone talks about dying from measles or whatever...but what about life altering complications. Off the top of my head I have one friend who is a rubella baby, and my grandfather became deaf at 3 from measles.
Most of the anti vaccination people I know personally have very valid reasons not to vaccinate, like it's baby time. We just don't hear about them.
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
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And don't get me wrong I constantly struggle with what to do - I am of course not 100 percent comfortable not completely vaccinating but, I feel I just cannot take the chance of another serious vaccine reaction - in that case I really couldn't live with myself
Sorry, but I do not see this as a case of being anti vaccine or choosing not to. This is a medical reason why your child cannot get a vaccine, like someone who has an allergy to a component. They fall under the category of people who need herd immunity to cover them. I just don't see this as anti vaccinating, medical reasons (cancer, certain illnesses, allergies etc) are not choosing to not vaccinate, they cannot, putting them in a category with babies, immunosuppressed etc.
Etd to add btw I see everyone talks about dying from measles or whatever...but what about life altering complications. Off the top of my head I have one friend who is a rubella baby, and my grandfather became deaf at 3 from measles.
Most of the anti vaccination people I know personally have very valid reasons not to vaccinate, like it's baby time. We just don't hear about them.
That's the thing though. Not everyone can get the vaccines and doctors know that so we depend on herd immunity. Yes things happen and kids get reactions but they are very very rare just as contracting the illness is rare. The thing is once it's an outbreak depending on where you are you are really playing with fire. Like the pp said it's not just death but life altering effects. I can not get titers, and my son can not get them due to an allergy. We depend on herd immunity. We NEED it so a parents choice not due based on some bull crap dr. google stuff really does hurt us. Why is it that so many anti vax peoplecan't see what's happening. These diseases were gone. Lke gone gone and now we're how many years into this holistic crrapola and look outbreaks. Thank's guys.
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
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And don't get me wrong I constantly struggle with what to do - I am of course not 100 percent comfortable not completely vaccinating but, I feel I just cannot take the chance of another serious vaccine reaction - in that case I really couldn't live with myself
Sorry, but I do not see this as a case of being anti vaccine or choosing not to. This is a medical reason why your child cannot get a vaccine, like someone who has an allergy to a component. They fall under the category of people who need herd immunity to cover them. I just don't see this as anti vaccinating, medical reasons (cancer, certain illnesses, allergies etc) are not choosing to not vaccinate, they cannot, putting them in a category with babies, immunosuppressed etc.
Etd to add btw I see everyone talks about dying from measles or whatever...but what about life altering complications. Off the top of my head I have one friend who is a rubella baby, and my grandfather became deaf at 3 from measles.
Most of the anti vaccination people I know personally have very valid reasons not to vaccinate, like it's baby time. We just don't hear about them.
That's the thing though. Not everyone can get the vaccines and doctors know that so we depend on herd immunity. Yes things happen and kids get reactions but they are very very rare just as contracting the illness is rare. The thing is once it's an outbreak depending on where you are you are really playing with fire. Like the pp said it's not just death but life altering effects. I can not get titers, and my son can not get them due to an allergy. We depend on herd immunity. We NEED it so a parents choice not due based on some bull crap dr. google stuff really does hurt us. Why is it that so many anti vax peoplecan't see what's happening. These diseases were gone. Lke gone gone and now we're how many years into this holistic crrapola and look outbreaks. Thank's guys.
. I'm not going to go back and forth and I'm not anti-vax anyway. All I will say is that I you are simplifying a very complex, multi layered issue. There is more to it. than this. Talk to the parents of vaccine injured kids.
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
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And don't get me wrong I constantly struggle with what to do - I am of course not 100 percent comfortable not completely vaccinating but, I feel I just cannot take the chance of another serious vaccine reaction - in that case I really couldn't live with myself
Sorry, but I do not see this as a case of being anti vaccine or choosing not to. This is a medical reason why your child cannot get a vaccine, like someone who has an allergy to a component. They fall under the category of people who need herd immunity to cover them. I just don't see this as anti vaccinating, medical reasons (cancer, certain illnesses, allergies etc) are not choosing to not vaccinate, they cannot, putting them in a category with babies, immunosuppressed etc.
Etd to add btw I see everyone talks about dying from measles or whatever...but what about life altering complications. Off the top of my head I have one friend who is a rubella baby, and my grandfather became deaf at 3 from measles.
Most of the anti vaccination people I know personally have very valid reasons not to vaccinate, like it's baby time. We just don't hear about them.
But if they are like itsbabytime...then they are really not anti vaccination, they have a child who medically cannot get the shot. That to me falls into a different category. A parent with a child who has cancer or a contraindicated condition which doesn't allow them to get the vaccine is not anti vaccine...they are not eligible to get it even if they wanted to. I know itsbabytime's ped said she is not eligible to get them. My mom has an antibiotic allergy that makes it counter indicated to receive the flu shot and several others. That does not make her anti vaccine. She is not choosing to not vaccine by choice. Now someone might have a child who has cancer and they are they might be against shots regardless but....they still are not missing vaccinations by choice. To me this group falls into a different category then those who say I don't give shots bc they cause x, or the ingredients, etc, AND they have a child who is capable of getting them.
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
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Posted by AllyMally
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Posted by Lillykat
Posted by itsbabytime
And don't get me wrong I constantly struggle with what to do - I am of course not 100 percent comfortable not completely vaccinating but, I feel I just cannot take the chance of another serious vaccine reaction - in that case I really couldn't live with myself
Sorry, but I do not see this as a case of being anti vaccine or choosing not to. This is a medical reason why your child cannot get a vaccine, like someone who has an allergy to a component. They fall under the category of people who need herd immunity to cover them. I just don't see this as anti vaccinating, medical reasons (cancer, certain illnesses, allergies etc) are not choosing to not vaccinate, they cannot, putting them in a category with babies, immunosuppressed etc.
Etd to add btw I see everyone talks about dying from measles or whatever...but what about life altering complications. Off the top of my head I have one friend who is a rubella baby, and my grandfather became deaf at 3 from measles.
Most of the anti vaccination people I know personally have very valid reasons not to vaccinate, like it's baby time. We just don't hear about them.
That's the thing though. Not everyone can get the vaccines and doctors know that so we depend on herd immunity. Yes things happen and kids get reactions but they are very very rare just as contracting the illness is rare. The thing is once it's an outbreak depending on where you are you are really playing with fire. Like the pp said it's not just death but life altering effects. I can not get titers, and my son can not get them due to an allergy. We depend on herd immunity. We NEED it so a parents choice not due based on some bull crap dr. google stuff really does hurt us. Why is it that so many anti vax peoplecan't see what's happening. These diseases were gone. Lke gone gone and now we're how many years into this holistic crrapola and look outbreaks. Thank's guys.
. I'm not going to go back and forth and I'm not anti-vax anyway. All I will say is that I you are simplifying a very complex, multi layered issue. There is more to it. than this. Talk to the parents of vaccine injured kids.
I think in most cases people do not have an issue (or at least can understand a medical exemption) with someone who took a vaccine and had a reaction that a dr says you are not able to vaccinate. Those people rely on herd immunity. I think the issue that pro vaccine people have is with those who don't just because there might be a reaction but no evidence that could be, they don't like the vaccine ingredients, or because they read/heard/knew someone that....
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
what about Obama letting in all these illegals from Mexico, and not knowing their medical history??
To those who want scientific evidence about vaccines causing Autism...how about the parents who saw their child regress in front of their eyes when given certain shots.
DONT judge unless you are walking in their shoes!!!!!
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
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Posted by itsbabytime
And don't get me wrong I constantly struggle with what to do - I am of course not 100 percent comfortable not completely vaccinating but, I feel I just cannot take the chance of another serious vaccine reaction - in that case I really couldn't live with myself
Sorry, but I do not see this as a case of being anti vaccine or choosing not to. This is a medical reason why your child cannot get a vaccine, like someone who has an allergy to a component. They fall under the category of people who need herd immunity to cover them. I just don't see this as anti vaccinating, medical reasons (cancer, certain illnesses, allergies etc) are not choosing to not vaccinate, they cannot, putting them in a category with babies, immunosuppressed etc.
Etd to add btw I see everyone talks about dying from measles or whatever...but what about life altering complications. Off the top of my head I have one friend who is a rubella baby, and my grandfather became deaf at 3 from measles.
Most of the anti vaccination people I know personally have very valid reasons not to vaccinate, like it's baby time. We just don't hear about them.
But if they are like itsbabytime...then they are really not anti vaccination, they have a child who medically cannot get the shot. That to me falls into a different category. A parent with a child who has cancer or a contraindicated condition which doesn't allow them to get the vaccine is not anti vaccine...they are not eligible to get it even if they wanted to. I know itsbabytime's ped said she is not eligible to get them. My mom has an antibiotic allergy that makes it counter indicated to receive the flu shot and several others. That does not make her anti vaccine. She is not choosing to not vaccine by choice. Now someone might have a child who has cancer and they are they might be against shots regardless but....they still are not missing vaccinations by choice. To me this group falls into a different category then those who say I don't give shots bc they cause x, or the ingredients, etc, AND they have a child who is capable of getting them.
Unfortunately, it is not as simple as this. Getting a true medical exemption from vaccine requirements forever is almost impossible. Having a severe reaction to a shot is not enough in our state to allow a parent to stop vaccinating their child. Isn't that scary honestly? There are still hoops you have to jump through!
I will say I do know a lot of people that delay and a few people that do not vaccinate at all. They all do so because of fear for their child - whether their child has had a reaction or a family history of reactions.
That is the reason why I posted - I think people look at this issue inside their own bubble without realizing we are all parents worried about our children. Some of us have different concerns than others. If you have a child that has never had more than a fever from a shot you can't understand why someone wouldn't vaccinate. Yet, I assure you - if you went through even one scary serious reaction - your viewpoint on this issue would change. Things are not black and white as people think.
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by Diane
what about Obama letting in all these illegals from Mexico, and not knowing their medical history??
To those who want scientific evidence about vaccines causing Autism...how about the parents who saw their child regress in front of their eyes when given certain shots.
DONT judge unless you are walking in their shoes!!!!!
Wow.... just... Wow... unreal. So unbelievably NOT what really happens. It's been PROVEN to not be causal. It's COINCIDENTAL because the signs of Autism begin at the same age that the vaccinations are given. It is NOT caused by the vaccines.
To those who don't vax because of a family history of reaction that is a completely different story... and I agree with a PP who said that that isn't being anti-vax, that's not giving a medication because of a high likelihood of a bad reaction. You ARE likely pro-vax and, again, as said before, relying on herd vax.
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what about Obama letting in all these illegals from Mexico, and not knowing their medical history??
So they brought measles with them? Source?
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by Lillykat
But if they are like itsbabytime...then they are really not anti vaccination, they have a child who medically cannot get the shot. That to me falls into a different category. A parent with a child who has cancer or a contraindicated condition which doesn't allow them to get the vaccine is not anti vaccine...they are not eligible to get it even if they wanted to. I know itsbabytime's ped said she is not eligible to get them. My mom has an antibiotic allergy that makes it counter indicated to receive the flu shot and several others. That does not make her anti vaccine. She is not choosing to not vaccine by choice. Now someone might have a child who has cancer and they are they might be against shots regardless but....they still are not missing vaccinations by choice. To me this group falls into a different category then those who say I don't give shots bc they cause x, or the ingredients, etc, AND they have a child who is capable of getting them.
You're right, I may be calling them by the wrong name- but most of my friends whose kids have had bad reactions generally have complex emotions about vaccines in general which is why I, perhaps wrongly, group them in the antivax camp.
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by jessnbrian
Posted by Diane
what about Obama letting in all these illegals from Mexico, and not knowing their medical history??
To those who want scientific evidence about vaccines causing Autism...how about the parents who saw their child regress in front of their eyes when given certain shots.
DONT judge unless you are walking in their shoes!!!!!
Wow.... just... Wow... unreal. So unbelievably NOT what really happens. It's been PROVEN to not be causal. It's COINCIDENTAL because the signs of Autism begin at the same age that the vaccinations are given. It is NOT caused by the vaccines.
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I'm not a parent that has been impacted by this thank god, bud I did want to respond to this because I can't imagine how hurt I would be reading this if I were such a parent.
This is actually not true. NOTHING has been proven. The only thing that has happened is the causal link that was once established has been disproven. To date, there are no studies I have heard of that have definitively proven that vaccines do not cause autism. If you have heard of one - pls share. In fact, there have been court cases where it has been admitted and established that vaccines CAN cause autism in certain children that have a susceptibility to this. It is even in the product insert for one vaccine - I believe the DTAP that a rare complication of the shot IS autism.
Not trying to start a debate on this as I am not actually that educated in it because, as I said I have not been impacted in this way but, I can post the above links for you and, I did need to say that this information you posted is not at all correct.
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by Diane
what about Obama letting in all these illegals from Mexico, and not knowing their medical history??
ahhh yes, it only took 1 day for this thread to turn this way
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by Diane
what about Obama letting in all these illegals from Mexico, and not knowing their medical history??
To those who want scientific evidence about vaccines causing Autism...how about the parents who saw their child regress in front of their eyes when given certain shots.
DONT judge unless you are walking in their shoes!!!!!
Please post your source for comments like this otherwise, I just have to roll my eyes at the ignorance in your entire post.
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by jessnbrian
Posted by Diane
what about Obama letting in all these illegals from Mexico, and not knowing their medical history??
To those who want scientific evidence about vaccines causing Autism...how about the parents who saw their child regress in front of their eyes when given certain shots.
DONT judge unless you are walking in their shoes!!!!!
Wow.... just... Wow... unreal. So unbelievably NOT what really happens. It's been PROVEN to not be causal. It's COINCIDENTAL because the signs of Autism begin at the same age that the vaccinations are given. It is NOT caused by the vaccines.
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I'm not a parent that has been impacted by this thank god, bud I did want to respond to this because I can't imagine how hurt I would be reading this if I were such a parent.
This is actually not true. NOTHING has been proven. The only thing that has happened is the causal link that was once established has been disproven. To date, there are no studies I have heard of that have definitively proven that vaccines do not cause autism. If you have heard of one - pls share. In fact, there have been court cases where it has been admitted and established that vaccines CAN cause autism in certain children that have a susceptibility to this. It is even in the product insert for one vaccine - I believe the DTAP that a rare complication of the shot IS autism.
Not trying to start a debate on this as I am not actually that educated in it because, as I said I have not been impacted in this way but, I can post the above links for you and, I did need to say that this information you posted is not at all correct.
CDC Web Link
Go to bottom, has links to studies.
CDC Link 2
First sentence has link to Journal of Pediatric medicine.
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
I figured this would eventually take this turn, but TY for all of the answers - I now better understand why parents (on both sides) feel SO passionately about this topic.
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by Diane
what about Obama letting in all these illegals from Mexico, and not knowing their medical history??
So they brought measles with them? Source?
who knows????
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I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
I'm sure I could find more... this was just a quick search. I know I've read many many more. I work in HC, in Neurology now, and I get lots of articles related to autism spectrum disorders.
Believe me, I understand that parents have a strong desire to understand why their child is autistic, and they NEED to have a reason. They will (like any of us with just about anything bad that happens to us) cling to a reason, no matter how false, it gives them comfort to think they know why this happened and to have a cause that isn't them... and believe me, I in no way believe that parents are to blame for autism... just like parents aren't to blame for their child who is schizophrenic or bipolar (and I have family who are bipolar). The correlation is simply that the signs and symptoms of autism begin at the same age as the vaccines are given, so it may appear that it was caused by them, but it isn't.
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
really.....I don't need a study to show that the DTAP TRIGGERED my son's autism, nor do I need to prove to you ladies.I saw it with my own eyes. How does someone go from spiking a fever after every vaccine of 103.3, and brought to the ER...then losing all language, and all eye contact. I don't need s freaking study to prove what I saw. How scared to do you think I was as a mother to witness this.
Lets turn the tables, what would you guys do if this happened to your child??? YOU TELL ME!!!!!!! Ok, so just back oFF!!!!!! Im done. I don't need to prove to anyone. I forgot, if you have an opinion about something, someone will call you ignorant...but I DONT CARE!!!!!
I alsmot was not going to post because of the judgemental people will have, but I will back up everything I witnessed everytime my son was given vaccines......
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I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
you know what would put this to rest ? A long term study comparing vaccinated and un-vaccinated Children and seeing if there are any differences in an assortment of health problems.
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
I'm no doctor, but I've always thought that the associated super high fevers that some kids get - not the actual vaccine itself - might cause a chemical change in the brain that triggers autism. HIgh fevers are no joke.
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jessnbrian
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Jessica
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by KittyShops
I'm no doctor, but I've always thought that the associated super high fevers that some kids get - not the actual vaccine itself - might cause a chemical change in the brain that triggers autism. HIgh fevers are no joke.
high fevers can cause an array of problems, especially neurologic. My brother always spiked super high fevers, thank God no lasting effects, but he would go blind during them.
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