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MrsR
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
If she's so religious she wouldn't be having babies without a father present.
My understanding from reading the previous posts is that there is conflicted reports about her being married or not.
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
She recently filed for bankruptcy!
Oh, and she arrived at the hospital for prenatal care at 3 months.
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snowbunny
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
Posted by MrsR
I guess I am really surprised at a lot of the comments on here, and from the media. IMHO there aren't enough CLEAR details to make assumptions or judgements.
What if she DID want a big family...why does that make her insane? Having fertility issues myself, I cringe at the thought of having to terminate any of the embryos. I am not saying I would personally carry 8 children, but a little part of me thinks that there was something honorable about her not terminating any of the babies.
I think we so often hold others to our own ideas of right and wrong. We don't have specific facts that might play a role. Is she religious, is she from a big family, WHY did they transfer 8 embryos, etc...
I just wish for the childrens sake that the media would leave them alone and not treat them like a circus act. The media can really be so unkind.
If she was religious she wouldn't have gone through IVF, the Vatican is 100% against it.
And if she can't afford to support all 14 kids on her own she had no right to have that many kids.
I hope child services has already opened a folder on her and that the medical board is investigating where she received her fertility treatments from.
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| Posted 1/30/09 12:58 PM |
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snowbunny
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
Jesus, fantastic!
Throw her in jail
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| Posted 1/30/09 12:58 PM |
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kristinel
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
Posted by snowbunny
Posted by MrsR
I guess I am really surprised at a lot of the comments on here, and from the media. IMHO there aren't enough CLEAR details to make assumptions or judgements.
What if she DID want a big family...why does that make her insane? Having fertility issues myself, I cringe at the thought of having to terminate any of the embryos. I am not saying I would personally carry 8 children, but a little part of me thinks that there was something honorable about her not terminating any of the babies.
I think we so often hold others to our own ideas of right and wrong. We don't have specific facts that might play a role. Is she religious, is she from a big family, WHY did they transfer 8 embryos, etc...
I just wish for the childrens sake that the media would leave them alone and not treat them like a circus act. The media can really be so unkind.
If she was religious she wouldn't have gone through IVF, the Vatican is 100% against it.
And if she can't afford to support all 14 kids on her own she had no right to have that many kids.
I hope child services has already opened a folder on her and that the medical board is investigating where she received her fertility treatments from.
I agree, but we have to remember that not everyone is Catholic, or Christian.
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| Posted 1/30/09 1:00 PM |
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snowbunny
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
Posted by maybeamommy
Posted by MrsR
I guess I am really surprised at a lot of the comments on here, and from the media. IMHO there aren't enough CLEAR details to make assumptions or judgements.
What if she DID want a big family...why does that make her insane? Having fertility issues myself, I cringe at the thought of having to terminate any of the embryos. I am not saying I would personally carry 8 children, but a little part of me thinks that there was something honorable about her not terminating any of the babies.
I think we so often hold others to our own ideas of right and wrong. We don't have specific facts that might play a role. Is she religious, is she from a big family, WHY did they transfer 8 embryos, etc...
I just wish for the childrens sake that the media would leave them alone and not treat them like a circus act. The media can really be so unkind.
ITA!
Who are we to judge? We don't know everything yet - and we might never know the FULL story.
Infertility is so complex!
Look at Jon and Kate... they always say in their show intro that they just wanted "one more" and ended up with 6. Just because the woman already has 6 children.. doesn't really mean anything. They could be adopted, foster, step-children... we don't know. Maybe they ARE all hers. Maybe she wanted a bigger family. Again, who are we to judge?
Anyone who is a taxpayer has the right to judge women who have kids they can't afford.
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MrsR
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
I guess I am just surprised. It's like everyone is gunning for this woman. She might have problems, but really no one knows enough about her to make some of the comments that are being thrown out (not just here but everywhere!).
I guess for me personally, when I see a situation like this I try to have sympathy for the person, and in this case certainly the children.
If we (we meaning America - not just on this board) all gathered our resources to help this mom, and her children instead of flaming her, and digging up dirt, and spreading rumors, IMO it would be a much greater use of energy.
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
Posted by MrsR
I guess I am just surprised. It's like everyone is gunning for this woman. She might have problems, but really no one knows enough about her to make some of the comments that are being thrown out (not just here but everywhere!).
I guess for me personally, when I see a situation like this I try to have sympathy for the person, and in this case certainly the children.
If we (we meaning America - not just on this board) all gathered our resources to help this mom, and her children instead of flaming her, and digging up dirt, and spreading rumors, IMO it would be a much greater use of energy.
I can see what you're saying here--but in the same notion, I think people get upset because if this woman does not have the resources to support her children (which isn't 100% verified, but showing in these reports), then why did she put herself in this situation to have MORE kids that she can not fully support.
Why does it have to be that we have to gather resources to help her raise her kids? For the most part, the people on this site who have children don't have people knocking on their door with assistance...they have to do it on their own and within their means...so why should others be responsible for her children, if it comes to that?
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
Posted by MrsR
I guess I am really surprised at a lot of the comments on here, and from the media. IMHO there aren't enough CLEAR details to make assumptions or judgements.
What if she DID want a big family...why does that make her insane? Having fertility issues myself, I cringe at the thought of having to terminate any of the embryos. I am not saying I would personally carry 8 children, but a little part of me thinks that there was something honorable about her not terminating any of the babies.
I think we so often hold others to our own ideas of right and wrong. We don't have specific facts that might play a role. Is she religious, is she from a big family, WHY did they transfer 8 embryos, etc...
I just wish for the childrens sake that the media would leave them alone and not treat them like a circus act. The media can really be so unkind.
I just think it is irresponsible to have 14 children in a basement apartment. "Allegedly", she is unmarried and lives with her parents. She is not the best candidate for a baseball team of kids, IMHO
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MrsR
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
Posted by MrsPJB2007
I can see what you're saying here--but in the same notion, I think people get upset because if this woman does not have the resources to support her children (which isn't 100% verified, but showing in these reports), then why did she put herself in this situation to have MORE kids that she can not fully support.
Why does the we have to gather resources to help her raise her kids? For the most part, the people on this site who have children don't have people knocking on their door with assistance...they have to do it on their own and within their means...so why should others be responsible for her children, if it comes to that?
I can also see your point. I can certainly understand why that upsets people. My only point is that what is done is done...what good is ripping her apart at this point? How is it helpful to her children? Especially her older children that have access to the internet and see the world saying terrible things about their mom. It is just upsetting to me that the knee jerk reaction in this country is to flame, not to help.
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MrsSteflily
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
The only info I know is third/fourth/fifth hand (I know someone who's mom works in the hospital) -
First, she has 6 kids. She is unmarried and lives at home with her family.
She started care with this doctor when she was 23 weeks.
Rumor has it, she went to Mexico, had a doctor there give her the fertility drugs and then came her to have the babies.
  who knows what the actual truth is.
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
Posted by MrsR
I guess I am just surprised. It's like everyone is gunning for this woman. She might have problems, but really no one knows enough about her to make some of the comments that are being thrown out (not just here but everywhere!).
I guess for me personally, when I see a situation like this I try to have sympathy for the person, and in this case certainly the children.
If we (we meaning America - not just on this board) all gathered our resources to help this mom, and her children instead of flaming her, and digging up dirt, and spreading rumors, IMO it would be a much greater use of energy.
I have to agree. And I also agree with Maybeamommy's mention of the fact that if it WAS IVF, that they may have put less than 8 embryos back, but that some are identical, or heck there COULD even be triplets. We just don't know. If a dr. did put back 8 embryos, then I wonder if she did in fact do it outside of the country where it's less regulated or regulated differently.
I think I'll reserve my "judgment" until we know more facts.
If the truth does show that she's a single mom who recently filed bankruptcy and all the other things, then I would really question why she decided to have more children through a method that has a high likelihood of multiples, especially only a year after she had her youngest children, the twins (they are 2 now, so they were just over 1 or close to 2 when she got pregnant).
I have wondered - maybe she was married and her husband passed away but they had his sperm stored before his death (as some men do when diagnosed with cancer since chemo can cause infertility) and maybe she wanted more of his children? Obviously that's a little out there, but my point is that we do not yet know WHY she did this - not sure if we'll ever know.
From the "facts" posted in this thread, I do understand why people are upset. I guess I'm just hoping the real facts are more positive. 
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MrsPJB2007
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
Posted by MrsR
. It is just upsetting to me that the knee jerk reaction in this country is to flame, not to help.
Yeah I guess it stinks that we tend to go straight for the jugular with this stuff, I admit I do that...I guess its cause having kids that you can't support is just a touchy subject for me (within my extended family and DH's).
I hope that the preliminary info that is going out right now isn't the whole story and there's more to it that is not quite so negative
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MrsA714
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
This whole story is just odd. Granted we do not know the whole story or her financial status, but let's be realistic here. I think it's safe to say 14 kids would be a financial burden for most people, especially a single mother.
Again, I don't know the whole story but from what it looks like to me, it was a very irresponsible and selfish decision by this woman. Hopefully, I'm wong. Maybe there is a lot more to the story.
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mrsej
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
I am sorry, but why should the public run to save this woman when she put herself in this position. Why should the public condone such irresponsible behavior, especially when this country is in the middle of such an economic disaster? It seems like the more we find out about her, the worse it gets. People are losing their jobs, their homes and doing everything in their power to support their families and are suffering b/c of situations out of their control and she runs out and gets pregnant when she apparently can't even afford the 6 kids she has. Callifornia is literally falling apart - should the State take care of these kids even though it can't even pay its workers? She is the one that should have thought about what this would do to her 6 kids. I do feel sorry for her b/c I think she is mentally unstable - I am also questioning the sanity of her parents. I understand that the babies are here and there is nothing you can do about it, and I am not for letting these poor children suffer b/c their mother was irresponsible, but give me a break. I know I sound cold, maybe I am, but this whole story is making me crazy - i understand falling on hard times, but she created these hard times.
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Ophelia
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
is she on public assistance?
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
Who cares what this woman did or what her situation is? There's not a single thing that ANYONE can do about it. As long as she is providing food, support and shelter for her babies- then she is doing okay by them. And NOBODY knows if she can or not, because she specifically asked for her personal life to stay out of the media.
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
Posted by mrsej
She obviously has psychological issues - i say obvious b/c a normal individual who is a single mother with 6 children living with her parents in a 3 bedroom home would not consciously go out and intentionally get pregnant - a responsible, sane person would not do that, I am sorry. I also think there has to be some ethical issues with the doctors. True, maybe the doctors who dealt with the fertility treatments didn't know her issues, but that is a problem then. Her doctor was on tv talking about how this was such a blessing - yes, children are a blessing, but she now has 14 kids - apparently, all very young children. Her next door neighbor was on good morning america saying that she did not know how she was going to be able to do it. Totally, totally irresponsible.
These were my thoughts exactly.
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
If this woman is insane enough to go to Mexico to get fertility treatment and have 8 embryos transferred, after declaring bankruptcy less than a year ago and after having 6 children already, I hope to God I'm not reading about her drowning her children or shooting them all in the future.
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When it comes to being a mother, it doesn't matter what YOU want. It matters what you realistically can provide for your kids both financially and emotionally. I want a big family too, but its not going to happen because I care about how I will provide for my children. That's putting their needs before my wants. There is no way octuplets can be born without developmental issues. What If she needs EI? That will cost the county millions ontop of public assistance she definitely will get. Public assistance is determined by how many in household versus income. I know its unfair to be judgemental, but If she is single and lives with her parents, she wasn't thinking of anyone, including her parents, except herself.
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Ophelia
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
Posted by Ophelia
is she on public assistance?
anyone? Bueller?
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
Posted by kristinel
Some news reports are saying that it's her father that is going to Iraq and that she is a single mother.
I heard that also- she lives with her parents-
not husband - no mention of a BF
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Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Ophelia
is she on public assistance?
anyone? Bueller?
I mentioned in my post above that she has to given household number vs annual income!
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
Posted by babymakes3
If this woman is insane enough to go to Mexico to get fertility treatment and have 8 embryos transferred, after declaring bankruptcy less than a year ago and after having 6 children already, I hope to God I'm not reading about her drowning her children or shooting them all in the future.
I think that's a bit far fetched....
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MrsRJP
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Re: Can we discuss this woman in California who had those octuplets for a minute....
It was just said on ABCNews that the babies are really under developed and underweight and they will be in the hospital for months and might have special needs as they are growing up.  They said this could be from her carrying all 8 when she was told to abort half by the doctors but she did not want to listen to them. I don't know how many months she was when she delivered but I think it was not full term.
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