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DancinBarefoot
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by Kidsaplenty
I'm sorry, but you are being so incredibly condescending toward people who don't agree with you I find it upsetting.
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If you know how to reasonably connect all the evidence together, I think you'd come to the same conclusion. But I think you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
I'm sorry you think I'm being condescending.
As for knowing how to reasonably connect the evidence, and understanding reasonable doubt - I think 3 years of law school and more than 10 years in practice have given me the ability to do so. That training has also given me the ability to separate emotion from evidence.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by DancinBarefoot
Posted by Kidsaplenty
I'm sorry, but you are being so incredibly condescending toward people who don't agree with you I find it upsetting.
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If you know how to reasonably connect all the evidence together, I think you'd come to the same conclusion. But I think you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
I'm sorry you think I'm being condescending.
As for knowing how to reasonably connect the evidence, and understanding reasonable doubt - I think 3 years of law school and more than 10 years in practice have given me the ability to do so. That training has also given me the ability to separate emotion from evidence.
Well thank goodness you stopped being condescending. . . .  
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| Posted 7/8/11 12:27 PM |
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BargainMama
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
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DancinBarefoot
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
That was an edited version of what I originally typed in.
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| Posted 7/8/11 12:31 PM |
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brownie
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by mrsej
The problem i had with the verdict was when I heard one of the jurors provide an explanation for the verdict. She claimed that she had to follow the judge's instructions and the law but then said that one of the main reasons she found her not guilty is that she could not sentence her death. Clearly, she thought about punishment/sentencing. Jurors are clearly told they are not supposed to do that. The death penalty should not have been a factor in their deliberations. Fine, reasonable doubt is reasonable doubt, but whether or noth there was the death penalty on the table should have not played any part in their decision.
Thank you! Exactly!
I have NO problem with them finding reasonable doubt WHEN abiding by the law. It sounds lime they were confused 
Also, like I stated before, there should be a law that doesn't allow jurors to NOT profit from story to a case They are INVOLVED with--they should delegate with NO alterior motives. A not guilty verdict here will pay more.
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| Posted 7/8/11 12:32 PM |
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jerseypanda
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by Goobster
Posted by jerseypanda
To those who talk about Scott Peterson who has been found guilty with circumstantial evidence, think of some of the facts in that case. He was found with bleached hair, a goatee to disguise himself, $15,000 in cash, 4 cell phones, credit cards belonging to other family members, camping equipment, a dozen pairs of shoes, several changes of clothes, and more. I suppose that made it appear to jurors that he was getting ready to flee the country and on top of all the other evidence they were able to find him guilty.
Ok so you m ention this, but if these jurors could find Scott Peterson guilty with these things, why not Casey Anthony? B/c her defense attorney confused everyone by throwing her father into the mix, etc? Or b/c they really could not fathom a mom would do this to her child? But a man, a husband, Scott Peterson could do this to his wife and child?
That's why yes, I do believe this jury had poor reasoning skills. I truly do.
Maybe because Scott Peterson looked like he was trying to flee the state/country. Casey wan't trying to go anywhere. Maybe because he told Amber Frey that he lost his wife before she had died. It could be a lot of things. The truth remains that none of us were on either of those juries, none of us were in the deliberation rooms.
I believe that it has nothing to do with them not being able to fathom a mom doing this to their child. I actually think this jury was upset for having to find her not guilty. Had the charges been lower, we might be having a completely different conversation right now.
ETA: I guess my point is that every case is different. I don't think it's valid to bring up other cases in talking about this verdict because the evidence, the charges are never going to be exactly the same.
Message edited 7/8/2011 12:38:06 PM.
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| Posted 7/8/11 12:34 PM |
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bicosi
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
SERIOUSLY!
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| Posted 7/8/11 12:34 PM |
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by DancinBarefoot
Posted by Kidsaplenty
I'm sorry, but you are being so incredibly condescending toward people who don't agree with you I find it upsetting.
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If you know how to reasonably connect all the evidence together, I think you'd come to the same conclusion. But I think you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
I'm sorry you think I'm being condescending.
As for knowing how to reasonably connect the evidence, and understanding reasonable doubt - I think 3 years of law school and more than 10 years in practice have given me the ability to do so. That training has also given me the ability to separate emotion from evidence.
I respect that people think there was not enough evidence.
I have a question. In your opinion what would have been needed in order to convict her?
Can you tell me what kind of evidence you think would have been needed for a manslaughter or child abuse conviction?
Also can you tell me if this same exact case happened 30 years ago what evidence would have been needed to convict her then? (no DNA, etc.)
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| Posted 7/8/11 12:39 PM |
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Little-J-Mommy
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
But seriously, all of that is what makes you the lawyer...NOT the JUROR
I'm sorry but I would've hung that Jury in a heartbeat, meaning I never would've voted not guilty and made them throw her *** back in jail and re-try her again
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| Posted 7/8/11 1:28 PM |
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
I don't what to say other than.....
Some people just really make me laugh.....
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| Posted 7/8/11 2:11 PM |
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Did you hear how she was offered 1 million dollars to be on the Jerry Springer show with her family? I didn't even know that show was still on...
Also, she was offered porn work but they already revoked it saying that none of their clientele was interested in her anymore. So many guys think she is hot, but who can really enjoy that when all they are thinking about is baby murderer?!? I guess that is why they said they rethought about the offer and are removing it from the table.
Jeff Ashton said in an interview, the best thing to do now is just ignore her. Don't give her the attention is seeking, don't buy into the media products with her involved. Pretend she doesn't exist. I really agree with this and liked it. He is such a great speaker, so classy. He has been on such a big media circuit. I saw him on the view, dr.drew, the joy behar show, cnn, fox news, etc.
I wish there was more with Yuri Melich.... 
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| Posted 7/8/11 2:16 PM |
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by jacquig
Posted by DancinBarefoot
Posted by Kidsaplenty
I'm sorry, but you are being so incredibly condescending toward people who don't agree with you I find it upsetting.
. . .
If you know how to reasonably connect all the evidence together, I think you'd come to the same conclusion. But I think you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
I'm sorry you think I'm being condescending.
As for knowing how to reasonably connect the evidence, and understanding reasonable doubt - I think 3 years of law school and more than 10 years in practice have given me the ability to do so. That training has also given me the ability to separate emotion from evidence.
I respect that people think there was not enough evidence.
I have a question. In your opinion what would have been needed in order to convict her?
Can you tell me what kind of evidence you think would have been needed for a manslaughter or child abuse conviction?
Also can you tell me if this same exact case happened 30 years ago what evidence would have been needed to convict her then? (no DNA, etc.)
If I would have been on the jury I would have needed to see actual proof she was murdered and did not die accidently. I would have needed to know how, and have seen some physical evidence of abuse. For me to have picked guilty ment she was guilty of murder, and there was just no proof of that, and to have picked anything other then not guilty would mean I was guessing as to the cause of death and the sequence of events that lead after her death. For all we know she did drown on accident and after that was a series of horrible judgement calls that were made. I could never live with myself if I sentenced somebody to death with no actual proof. IMHO that makes me no better then a murderer. Eventhough I would have called 911 and if GOD forbid my daughter was missing called 911 RIGHT AWAY, the fact that she did not is NOT proff, IMHO that she did murder her. Again bad, horrible, cause for alarm judgement yes, but not proof she killed her. There was just nothing that said Casey herself did it. In reality there is just no proof it was her and not her father, or somebody else.
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AngnShaun
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by medic6809
If I would have been on the jury I would have needed to see actual proof she was murdered and did not die accidently. I would have needed to know how, and have seen some physical evidence of abuse. For me to have picked guilty ment she was guilty of murder, and there was just no proof of that, and to have picked anything other then not guilty would mean I was guessing as to the cause of death and the sequence of events that lead after her death. For all we know she did drown on accident and after that was a series of horrible judgement calls that were made. I could never live with myself if I sentenced somebody to death with no actual proof. IMHO that makes me no better then a murderer. Eventhough I would have called 911 and if GOD forbid my daughter was missing called 911 RIGHT AWAY, the fact that she did not is NOT proff, IMHO that she did murder her. Again bad, horrible, cause for alarm judgement yes, but not proof she killed her. There was just nothing that said Casey herself did it. In reality there is just no proof it was her and not her father, or somebody else.
this is pretty much my exact stance on the subject...
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| Posted 7/8/11 2:33 PM |
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I also want to add that, IMHO, I feel like if this had been any other case they would not have gone to trial. There was not enough evidence, but once it went high profile there was an incrediable amount of pressure to prosecute her.
Question to those that have followed this since the very beginning.....did they ever look at any other suspects? I mean like REALLY look at anybody else or did they let Casey's actions be the cause for them to stay after her?
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Kidsaplenty
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by medic6809
I also want to add that, IMHO, I feel like if this had been any other case they would not have gone to trial. There was not enough evidence, but once it went high profile there was an incrediable amount of pressure to prosecute her.
Question to those that have followed this since the very beginning.....did they ever look at any other suspects? I mean like REALLY look at anybody else or did they let Casey's actions be the cause for them to stay after her?
They investigated and cleared her mother, father, and brother. They also went on a wild goose chase to find Zanny the Nanny. The only suspect with any evidence tying her to the crime was Casey, so that was who they focused on.
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brownie
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by medic6809
I could never live with myself if I sentenced somebody to death with no actual proof.
It's not the juror's job to decide the sentencing
there were several charges, not just 1st degree
from what juror #3 said, she thought like you, which makes it seem she based her decision on a MISUNDERSTANDING of the law
Oh, and lets not mention that some (or at least one) of the jurors is trying to get a 5figure contract, after already having had ABC pay for their Disney vaca
Jury laws should be changed, this shouldn't happen, the temptation to vote in one way to get 'publicity' after does not make it so fair
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bicosi
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by medic6809
I also want to add that, IMHO, I feel like if this had been any other case they would not have gone to trial. There was not enough evidence, but once it went high profile there was an incrediable amount of pressure to prosecute her.
Question to those that have followed this since the very beginning.....did they ever look at any other suspects? I mean like REALLY look at anybody else or did they let Casey's actions be the cause for them to stay after her?
They investigated and cleared her mother, father, and brother. They also went on a wild goose chase to find Zanny the Nanny. The only suspect with any evidence tying her to the crime was Casey, so that was who they focused on.
Exactly...
I will also say that as a spectator, part of the reason why i'm so emotionaly invested is because I (and others) watched this pan out right before my eyes.. The interviews, the searches, live video from the headquarters with equi search, etc. it's like she not only lied to her family but to EVERYONE..
I remember watching NG and seeing Cindy, George and Lee pleading for Zanny the nanny or anyone who knew her to come forward and bring the little girl back.. the police interviews, etc. it was like watching a movie
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AngnShaun
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by brownie
Posted by medic6809
I could never live with myself if I sentenced somebody to death with no actual proof.
Jury laws should be changed, this shouldn't happen, the temptation to vote in one way to get 'publicity' after does not make it so fair
if thats the case, they would have gotten better publicity if they found her guilty...
idk anyone in their right mind that wants an entire country to hate them...
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brownie
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by AngnShaun
Posted by brownie
Posted by medic6809
I could never live with myself if I sentenced somebody to death with no actual proof.
Jury laws should be changed, this shouldn't happen, the temptation to vote in one way to get 'publicity' after does not make it so fair
if thats the case, they would have gotten better publicity if they found her guilty...
idk anyone in their right mind that wants an entire country to hate them...
NO WAY....the outrage from this has *many* wanting to know who they are....if it was guilty, people would be satisfied...still interested, but not like the public outrage we are seeing
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My2Girlz11
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
I just don't get it. There was a little girl missing. Her mother was out partying while she was missing. Her mother lied about what happened to her. People say she was a "good mother." Good mothers do NOT go out partying if they can't find their daughter or if their daughter had an accident. That is all the evidence I need to see or hear to make up my mind on her guilt. I don't need to read a law book, their is no doubt it my mind. Her lying afterward sealed it for me.
I really think people are looking way too into this. In my mind, it is clear, Caylee was killed by Casey Anthony. Caylee had duct tape on her mouth and nose. We know HOW she died and we know WHO did it. Case closed.
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AngnShaun
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by My2Girlz11
I just don't get it. There was a little girl missing. Her mother was out partying while she was missing. Her mother lied about what happened to her. People say she was a "good mother." Good mothers do NOT go out partying if they can't find their daughter or if their daughter had an accident. That is all the evidence I need to see or hear to make up my mind on her guilt. I don't need to read a law book, their is no doubt it my mind. Her lying afterward sealed it for me.
I really think people are looking way too into this. In my mind, it is clear, Caylee was killed by Casey Anthony. Caylee had duct tape on her mouth and nose. We know HOW she died and we know WHO did it. Case closed.
the simple fact is that Caylee was never missing...
no one is saying that they dont think Casey did it... in fact I think thats the only think we all do agree on...
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by brownie
NO WAY....the outrage from this has *many* wanting to know who they are....if it was guilty, people would be satisfied...still interested, but not like the public outrage we are seeing
thats my point... why would someone bring this on themselves if they really thought there was sufficent evidence to convict her...
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hazeleyes33
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by My2Girlz11
I just don't get it. There was a little girl missing. Her mother was out partying while she was missing. Her mother lied about what happened to her. People say she was a "good mother." Good mothers do NOT go out partying if they can't find their daughter or if their daughter had an accident. That is all the evidence I need to see or hear to make up my mind on her guilt. I don't need to read a law book, their is no doubt it my mind. Her lying afterward sealed it for me.
I really think people are looking way too into this. In my mind, it is clear, Caylee was killed by Casey Anthony. Caylee had duct tape on her mouth and nose. We know HOW she died and we know WHO did it. Case closed.
They had to look at the evidence, not stories of what "might" have happened.
There was no DNA, no fingerprints, nothing saying it was a murder or accident.
That is what the jury had to go on.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by AngnShaun
Posted by My2Girlz11
I just don't get it. There was a little girl missing. Her mother was out partying while she was missing. Her mother lied about what happened to her. People say she was a "good mother." Good mothers do NOT go out partying if they can't find their daughter or if their daughter had an accident. That is all the evidence I need to see or hear to make up my mind on her guilt. I don't need to read a law book, their is no doubt it my mind. Her lying afterward sealed it for me.
I really think people are looking way too into this. In my mind, it is clear, Caylee was killed by Casey Anthony. Caylee had duct tape on her mouth and nose. We know HOW she died and we know WHO did it. Case closed.
the simple fact is that Caylee was never missing...
no one is saying that they dont think Casey did it... in fact I think thats the only think we all do agree on...
Yep, you are absolutely right.
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My2Girlz11
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by AngnShaun
Posted by My2Girlz11
I just don't get it. There was a little girl missing. Her mother was out partying while she was missing. Her mother lied about what happened to her. People say she was a "good mother." Good mothers do NOT go out partying if they can't find their daughter or if their daughter had an accident. That is all the evidence I need to see or hear to make up my mind on her guilt. I don't need to read a law book, their is no doubt it my mind. Her lying afterward sealed it for me.
I really think people are looking way too into this. In my mind, it is clear, Caylee was killed by Casey Anthony. Caylee had duct tape on her mouth and nose. We know HOW she died and we know WHO did it. Case closed.
the simple fact is that Caylee was never missing...
no one is saying that they dont think Casey did it... in fact I think thats the only think we all do agree on...
No people are arguing over the evidence to convict her. The evidence is she lied about her daughter missing. The evidence is she went on with her life, like nothing happened. They found her dead body with duct tape on it. We know that is what killed her. The jurors were saying they didn't know how she died. She had duct tape on her. Come on now!!!! You do not get that by drowning. Casey is someone who has shown her true character with the checks and with the lying to the police. How can you credit the drowning story...There is NO resonable doubt in my mind that the little girl was murdered.
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