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klingklang77
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Catholic question
How easy is it for one diocese to obtain sacramental records from your diocese?
Do they have to contact you and get your permission or are they allowed to just give out freely because it’s one big organization?
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Re: Catholic question
My churches made me get my own.
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klingklang77
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by thewinterone
My churches made me get my own.
Oh, I get that, but my question is more about if another diocese is allowed to ask your diocese for your records. I don’t want that to happen.
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LuckyStar
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Re: Catholic question
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Posted by thewinterone
My churches made me get my own.
Oh, I get that, but my question is more about if another diocese is allowed to ask your diocese for your records. I don’t want that to happen.
I think what PP meant is they likely would not because you would have to obtain the records yourself. I had to get my records twice, once to be a confirmation sponsor and once to be a godmother and I got them directly from the church where I received the sacraments. This was the case for my DD’s godparents as well. The diocese was not involved in any way.
ETA when I registered DD for CCD they required a baptismal certificate and the registration form specifically said the parents have to provide this themselves and the church cannot obtain the certificate unless the child was baptized in that particular church.
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klingklang77
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by thewinterone
My churches made me get my own.
Oh, I get that, but my question is more about if another diocese is allowed to ask your diocese for your records. I don’t want that to happen.
I think what PP meant is they likely would not because you would have to obtain the records yourself. I had to get my records twice, once to be a confirmation sponsor and once to be a godmother and I got them directly from the church where I received the sacraments. This was the case for my DD’s godparents as well. The diocese was not involved in any way.
ETA when I registered DD for CCD they required a baptismal certificate and the registration form specifically said the parents have to provide this themselves and the church cannot obtain the certificate unless the child was baptized in that particular church.
Edit. I can’t really explain the situation because of personal details/international reasons.
Well it’s good to know that the church can’t obtain the certificate from another church. I’m just wondering if it can actually be done legally to prove that I am Catholic because I was baptized, but I don’t believe in it anymore.
Maybe they told you that you have to obtain it yourself to save them time.
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by thewinterone
My churches made me get my own.
Oh, I get that, but my question is more about if another diocese is allowed to ask your diocese for your records. I don’t want that to happen.
Do you mean almost like a HIPPA thing but Catholic style? They probably can ask and be accommodated if they know the home parish. I think there are records kept by a data bank someplace. I remember when my former co-worker was getting an annulment, it was a whole big thing of expunging records.
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LuckyStar
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by thewinterone
My churches made me get my own.
Oh, I get that, but my question is more about if another diocese is allowed to ask your diocese for your records. I don’t want that to happen.
I think what PP meant is they likely would not because you would have to obtain the records yourself. I had to get my records twice, once to be a confirmation sponsor and once to be a godmother and I got them directly from the church where I received the sacraments. This was the case for my DD’s godparents as well. The diocese was not involved in any way.
ETA when I registered DD for CCD they required a baptismal certificate and the registration form specifically said the parents have to provide this themselves and the church cannot obtain the certificate unless the child was baptized in that particular church.
Edit. I can’t really explain the situation because of personal details/international reasons.
Well it’s good to know that the church can’t obtain the certificate from another church. I’m just wondering if it can actually be done legally to prove that I am Catholic because I was baptized, but I don’t believe in it anymore.
Maybe they told you that you have to obtain it yourself to save them time.
Perhaps one of the lawyers here can chime in, but I don’t think being baptized is considered a legal contract with the Catholic Church.
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klingklang77
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by thewinterone
My churches made me get my own.
Oh, I get that, but my question is more about if another diocese is allowed to ask your diocese for your records. I don’t want that to happen.
Do you mean almost like a HIPPA thing but Catholic style? They probably can ask and be accommodated if they know the home parish. I think there are records kept by a data bank someplace. I remember when my former co-worker was getting an annulment, it was a whole big thing of expunging records.
Yes, this exactly.
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klingklang77
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by thewinterone
My churches made me get my own.
Oh, I get that, but my question is more about if another diocese is allowed to ask your diocese for your records. I don’t want that to happen.
I think what PP meant is they likely would not because you would have to obtain the records yourself. I had to get my records twice, once to be a confirmation sponsor and once to be a godmother and I got them directly from the church where I received the sacraments. This was the case for my DD’s godparents as well. The diocese was not involved in any way.
ETA when I registered DD for CCD they required a baptismal certificate and the registration form specifically said the parents have to provide this themselves and the church cannot obtain the certificate unless the child was baptized in that particular church.
Edit. I can’t really explain the situation because of personal details/international reasons.
Well it’s good to know that the church can’t obtain the certificate from another church. I’m just wondering if it can actually be done legally to prove that I am Catholic because I was baptized, but I don’t believe in it anymore.
Maybe they told you that you have to obtain it yourself to save them time.
Perhaps one of the lawyers here can chime in, but I don’t think being baptized is considered a legal contract with the Catholic Church.
In my situation it is considered a legal contract.
I contacted my church and they said “ We would not give out your sacramental information to anyone but you. However, if we received a request from another parish, Diocesan Tribunal or Chancery Office, I believe we would be obligated to give it to them.”
They then gave me a phone number to call about it.
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KarenK122
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Catholic question
I am sure that one church can contact another for records if they wished. Most of the time they do not because they do not have the manpower to do so and have you get them yourselves. Just because you are baptized does not mean you have to be Catholic for life. It's not a binding contract.
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klingklang77
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by KarenK122
I am sure that one church can contact another for records if they wished. Most of the time they do not because they do not have the manpower to do so and have you get them yourselves. Just because you are baptized does not mean you have to be Catholic for life. It's not a binding contract.
It does here unless you formally exit the church here.
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Re: Catholic question
Interesting. How do you formally exit? Nail your resignation to the church door?
Maybe you have a loophole in that you were baptized in the US?
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klingklang77
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by LuckyStar
Interesting. How do you formally exit? Nail your resignation to the church door?
Maybe you have a loophole in that you were baptized in the US?
LOL. No, you go to the town hall and do it. You have to declare your religion when you register with the authorities for certain reasons. I have heard of horror stories where they track down if people were baptized in their countries. They seem to go after people from Spain, Ireland, Italy, South America, and Poland. It’s a costly process.
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LuckyStar
Interesting. How do you formally exit? Nail your resignation to the church door?
Maybe you have a loophole in that you were baptized in the US?
LOL. No, you go to the town hall and do it. You have to declare your religion when you register with the authorities for certain reasons. I have heard of horror stories where they track down if people were baptized in their countries. They seem to go after people from Spain, Ireland, Italy, South America, and Poland. It’s a costly process.
Seriously? The German government asks your religion on a form? Wow!
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FirstMate
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by nycbuslady
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LuckyStar
Interesting. How do you formally exit? Nail your resignation to the church door?
Maybe you have a loophole in that you were baptized in the US?
LOL. No, you go to the town hall and do it. You have to declare your religion when you register with the authorities for certain reasons. I have heard of horror stories where they track down if people were baptized in their countries. They seem to go after people from Spain, Ireland, Italy, South America, and Poland. It’s a costly process.
Seriously? The German government asks your religion on a form? Wow!
I guess that's where that separation of church and state thing comes in handy here in the good ole US of A!
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klingklang77
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by nycbuslady
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LuckyStar
Interesting. How do you formally exit? Nail your resignation to the church door?
Maybe you have a loophole in that you were baptized in the US?
LOL. No, you go to the town hall and do it. You have to declare your religion when you register with the authorities for certain reasons. I have heard of horror stories where they track down if people were baptized in their countries. They seem to go after people from Spain, Ireland, Italy, South America, and Poland. It’s a costly process.
Seriously? The German government asks your religion on a form? Wow!
I guess that's where that separation of church and state thing comes in handy here in the good ole US of A!
Eh, it’s not really so much about that. You are free to choose your religion. There is a loophole in which Germany allows certain churches to collect taxes and the tax office acts as the middleman. It’s considered tax evasion if you don’t pay it, but it’s not punishable. The churches that are allowed make it their choice to use this loophole.
Judaism is allowed to collect this tax, but they do not bother very much. Same with the different Protestants. But the Catholic Church goes right in there and extorts the money they can. And then according to Canon Law you cannot officially leave the church since 2010 in many countries. Germany allows you to leave the Catholic Church. It’s just that there are a few agreements that they can get around.
The problem is mainly the Catholic Church.
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by nycbuslady
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LuckyStar
Interesting. How do you formally exit? Nail your resignation to the church door?
Maybe you have a loophole in that you were baptized in the US?
LOL. No, you go to the town hall and do it. You have to declare your religion when you register with the authorities for certain reasons. I have heard of horror stories where they track down if people were baptized in their countries. They seem to go after people from Spain, Ireland, Italy, South America, and Poland. It’s a costly process.
Seriously? The German government asks your religion on a form? Wow!
I guess that's where that separation of church and state thing comes in handy here in the good ole US of A!
Oh my gosh, given the history of the German government, I can't believe people actually answer this question.
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klingklang77
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by HeyJude
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by nycbuslady
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LuckyStar
Interesting. How do you formally exit? Nail your resignation to the church door?
Maybe you have a loophole in that you were baptized in the US?
LOL. No, you go to the town hall and do it. You have to declare your religion when you register with the authorities for certain reasons. I have heard of horror stories where they track down if people were baptized in their countries. They seem to go after people from Spain, Ireland, Italy, South America, and Poland. It’s a costly process.
Seriously? The German government asks your religion on a form? Wow!
I guess that's where that separation of church and state thing comes in handy here in the good ole US of A!
Oh my gosh, given the history of the German government, I can't believe people actually answer this question.
Seriously? It happened way before that. And it is in a few other countries (Italy, Spain, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, and a few others). This lies more with the Catholic Church.
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PitterPatter11
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by HeyJude
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by nycbuslady
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LuckyStar
Interesting. How do you formally exit? Nail your resignation to the church door?
Maybe you have a loophole in that you were baptized in the US?
LOL. No, you go to the town hall and do it. You have to declare your religion when you register with the authorities for certain reasons. I have heard of horror stories where they track down if people were baptized in their countries. They seem to go after people from Spain, Ireland, Italy, South America, and Poland. It’s a costly process.
Seriously? The German government asks your religion on a form? Wow!
I guess that's where that separation of church and state thing comes in handy here in the good ole US of A!
Oh my gosh, given the history of the German government, I can't believe people actually answer this question.
Seriously? It happened way before that. And it is in a few other countries (Italy, Spain, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, and a few others). This lies more with the Catholic Church.
I love how your parents “choose” your religion for you at birth and you have literally no say. This continues until you're confirmed for many. Then because of that you’re expected to pay a tax for a religion that you don’t even practice/believe in. Like - what?!?!?!?
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klingklang77
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by HeyJude
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by nycbuslady
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LuckyStar
Interesting. How do you formally exit? Nail your resignation to the church door?
Maybe you have a loophole in that you were baptized in the US?
LOL. No, you go to the town hall and do it. You have to declare your religion when you register with the authorities for certain reasons. I have heard of horror stories where they track down if people were baptized in their countries. They seem to go after people from Spain, Ireland, Italy, South America, and Poland. It’s a costly process.
Seriously? The German government asks your religion on a form? Wow!
I guess that's where that separation of church and state thing comes in handy here in the good ole US of A!
Oh my gosh, given the history of the German government, I can't believe people actually answer this question.
Seriously? It happened way before that. And it is in a few other countries (Italy, Spain, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, and a few others). This lies more with the Catholic Church.
I love how your parents “choose” your religion for you at birth and you have literally no say. This continues until you're confirmed for many. Then because of that you’re expected to pay a tax for a religion that you don’t even practice/believe in. Like - what?!?!?!?
I know. I am beside myself here. They are one of the richest organizations in the world because of these loopholes in some countries and all the assets they have. I’ll leave it at that. I respect the beliefs others may have, but I do not respect the organization and their money grabbing ways.
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by HeyJude
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by nycbuslady
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LuckyStar
Interesting. How do you formally exit? Nail your resignation to the church door?
Maybe you have a loophole in that you were baptized in the US?
LOL. No, you go to the town hall and do it. You have to declare your religion when you register with the authorities for certain reasons. I have heard of horror stories where they track down if people were baptized in their countries. They seem to go after people from Spain, Ireland, Italy, South America, and Poland. It’s a costly process.
Seriously? The German government asks your religion on a form? Wow!
I guess that's where that separation of church and state thing comes in handy here in the good ole US of A!
Oh my gosh, given the history of the German government, I can't believe people actually answer this question.
Seriously? It happened way before that. And it is in a few other countries (Italy, Spain, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, and a few others). This lies more with the Catholic Church.
I love how your parents “choose” your religion for you at birth and you have literally no say. This continues until you're confirmed for many. Then because of that you’re expected to pay a tax for a religion that you don’t even practice/believe in. Like - what?!?!?!?
I know. I am beside myself here. They are one of the richest organizations in the world because of these loopholes in some countries and all the assets they have. I’ll leave it at that. I respect the beliefs others may have, but I do not respect the organization and their money grabbing ways.
DH and I always say that. While we are Catholic we are disgusted by some of the Church's practices when it comes to money
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lululu
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by HeyJude
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by nycbuslady
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LuckyStar
Interesting. How do you formally exit? Nail your resignation to the church door?
Maybe you have a loophole in that you were baptized in the US?
LOL. No, you go to the town hall and do it. You have to declare your religion when you register with the authorities for certain reasons. I have heard of horror stories where they track down if people were baptized in their countries. They seem to go after people from Spain, Ireland, Italy, South America, and Poland. It’s a costly process.
Seriously? The German government asks your religion on a form? Wow!
I guess that's where that separation of church and state thing comes in handy here in the good ole US of A!
Oh my gosh, given the history of the German government, I can't believe people actually answer this question.
Seriously? It happened way before that. And it is in a few other countries (Italy, Spain, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, and a few others). This lies more with the Catholic Church.
I love how your parents “choose” your religion for you at birth and you have literally no say. This continues until you're confirmed for many. Then because of that you’re expected to pay a tax for a religion that you don’t even practice/believe in. Like - what?!?!?!?
I know. I am beside myself here. They are one of the richest organizations in the world because of these loopholes in some countries and all the assets they have. I’ll leave it at that. I respect the beliefs others may have, but I do not respect the organization and their money grabbing ways.
I wouldn’t blame an organization for doing something that they are legally allowed to do. That issue lies with the German government allowing it to happen.
I am completely against a lot of what the Catholic Church does but I wouldn’t begrudge them collecting taxes that the German government has made it possible for them to collect. I think your anger is misplaced.
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klingklang77
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by HeyJude
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by nycbuslady
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LuckyStar
Interesting. How do you formally exit? Nail your resignation to the church door?
Maybe you have a loophole in that you were baptized in the US?
LOL. No, you go to the town hall and do it. You have to declare your religion when you register with the authorities for certain reasons. I have heard of horror stories where they track down if people were baptized in their countries. They seem to go after people from Spain, Ireland, Italy, South America, and Poland. It’s a costly process.
Seriously? The German government asks your religion on a form? Wow!
I guess that's where that separation of church and state thing comes in handy here in the good ole US of A!
Oh my gosh, given the history of the German government, I can't believe people actually answer this question.
Seriously? It happened way before that. And it is in a few other countries (Italy, Spain, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, and a few others). This lies more with the Catholic Church.
I love how your parents “choose” your religion for you at birth and you have literally no say. This continues until you're confirmed for many. Then because of that you’re expected to pay a tax for a religion that you don’t even practice/believe in. Like - what?!?!?!?
I know. I am beside myself here. They are one of the richest organizations in the world because of these loopholes in some countries and all the assets they have. I’ll leave it at that. I respect the beliefs others may have, but I do not respect the organization and their money grabbing ways.
I wouldn’t blame an organization for doing something that they are legally allowed to do. That issue lies with the German government allowing it to happen.
I am completely against a lot of what the Catholic Church does but I wouldn’t begrudge them collecting taxes that the German government has made it possible for them to collect. I think your anger is misplaced.
Edit: Not worth it. But thanks for letting me know my anger is misplaced  . It isn’t.
Do you have anything to contribute about leaving the Catholic Church and protecting my data from being shared?
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lululu
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by HeyJude
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by nycbuslady
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LuckyStar
Interesting. How do you formally exit? Nail your resignation to the church door?
Maybe you have a loophole in that you were baptized in the US?
LOL. No, you go to the town hall and do it. You have to declare your religion when you register with the authorities for certain reasons. I have heard of horror stories where they track down if people were baptized in their countries. They seem to go after people from Spain, Ireland, Italy, South America, and Poland. It’s a costly process.
Seriously? The German government asks your religion on a form? Wow!
I guess that's where that separation of church and state thing comes in handy here in the good ole US of A!
Oh my gosh, given the history of the German government, I can't believe people actually answer this question.
Seriously? It happened way before that. And it is in a few other countries (Italy, Spain, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, and a few others). This lies more with the Catholic Church.
I love how your parents “choose” your religion for you at birth and you have literally no say. This continues until you're confirmed for many. Then because of that you’re expected to pay a tax for a religion that you don’t even practice/believe in. Like - what?!?!?!?
I know. I am beside myself here. They are one of the richest organizations in the world because of these loopholes in some countries and all the assets they have. I’ll leave it at that. I respect the beliefs others may have, but I do not respect the organization and their money grabbing ways.
I wouldn’t blame an organization for doing something that they are legally allowed to do. That issue lies with the German government allowing it to happen.
I am completely against a lot of what the Catholic Church does but I wouldn’t begrudge them collecting taxes that the German government has made it possible for them to collect. I think your anger is misplaced.
Edit: Not worth it. But thanks for letting me know my anger is misplaced . It isn’t.
Do you have anything to contribute about leaving the Catholic Church and protecting my data from being shared?
If you reread my post you will see that I said “I.” “I” wouldn’t be angry at the church for this, I would be angry at the government. You can be angry at whomever you like.
Regardless, no I do not because sacraments are not confidential. In fact most times sacraments are performed in front of a large audience. I am not sure why you even would think that data shouldn’t be shared. I’m assuming it’s because you don’t want to pay the tax so just leave the church.
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klingklang77
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Re: Catholic question
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by HeyJude
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by nycbuslady
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LuckyStar
Interesting. How do you formally exit? Nail your resignation to the church door?
Maybe you have a loophole in that you were baptized in the US?
LOL. No, you go to the town hall and do it. You have to declare your religion when you register with the authorities for certain reasons. I have heard of horror stories where they track down if people were baptized in their countries. They seem to go after people from Spain, Ireland, Italy, South America, and Poland. It’s a costly process.
Seriously? The German government asks your religion on a form? Wow!
I guess that's where that separation of church and state thing comes in handy here in the good ole US of A!
Oh my gosh, given the history of the German government, I can't believe people actually answer this question.
Seriously? It happened way before that. And it is in a few other countries (Italy, Spain, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, and a few others). This lies more with the Catholic Church.
I love how your parents “choose” your religion for you at birth and you have literally no say. This continues until you're confirmed for many. Then because of that you’re expected to pay a tax for a religion that you don’t even practice/believe in. Like - what?!?!?!?
I know. I am beside myself here. They are one of the richest organizations in the world because of these loopholes in some countries and all the assets they have. I’ll leave it at that. I respect the beliefs others may have, but I do not respect the organization and their money grabbing ways.
I wouldn’t blame an organization for doing something that they are legally allowed to do. That issue lies with the German government allowing it to happen.
I am completely against a lot of what the Catholic Church does but I wouldn’t begrudge them collecting taxes that the German government has made it possible for them to collect. I think your anger is misplaced.
Edit: Not worth it. But thanks for letting me know my anger is misplaced . It isn’t.
Do you have anything to contribute about leaving the Catholic Church and protecting my data from being shared?
If you reread my post you will see that I said “I.” “I” wouldn’t be angry at the church for this, I would be angry at the government. You can be angry at whomever you like.
Regardless, no I do not because sacraments are not confidential. In fact most times sacraments are performed in front of a large audience. I am not sure why you even would think that data shouldn’t be shared. I’m assuming it’s because you don’t want to pay the tax so just leave the church.
Because data protection laws here are strong and it doesn’t matter if you saw the event happening. I should still be able to decide what happens to my information.
No, your assumption is wrong. And it isn’t as simple as “just leaving the church.” Since 2010 according to Canon law you can’t leave the church. You can in some countries, but the Catholic Church does not count it fully. They count baptism as being a member of the church, and saying you don’t believe does not count enough.
This also works for married couples. If one is religious and the other is not, they both have to pay the tax.
They will tax retroactively.
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