CT announces full in person school in the fall

Suffolk had 30 new cases today. 30. I really hope as numbers drop, school opening becomes a big reality for us all.

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"Governor Cuomo was on NBC’s Meet the Press Sunday, detailing the state’s plans to reopen schools for the fall.

Right now, New York is planning on reopening classrooms for in-person instruction, but the governor said anything can happen in two months. He wants the state to continue to monitor what the infection rate is and what the disease is doing before they make a final decision."

Cuomo on Meet the Press

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We are being forced to work for free this summer- but at the end of the day it equals about three hours a week. Not a big deal, IMO. We have to sign up for virtual PD's that will help us with remote learning, should we be hybrid or have to go entirely remote again at some point during the academic year.
Next week I have to log in for 90 minutes on Monday and 90 minutes on Wednesday.
It is still FAR less work that I put in March 16th- June 19th, so I will take it.
I don't know, these are not normal times. Everyone is struggling, everyone is stressed, and everyone has had to deal with changes to their job and/or personal life. I just want to keep my job- and teachers keeping their jobs are not a guarantee. I will do whatever it takes to still have an income in September.

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I can assure you that not every teacher did nothing during remote learning, most worked VERY hard, harder than they have ever worked before. I can also assure you that not all teachers have the "I won't do anything extra over the summer unless you pay me" mentality.
Teachers get such a bad name lately, because of the two reasons posted above. It makes myself, and many other educators, so angry.
I am sick of hearing about the contracts. Contracts can be changed- our teacher contracts are not the holy grail. They should be modified when it comes to extenuating circumstances.
Yes we worked hard, yes we deserve a break. Asking for some PD here & there to better yourselves and better the education you give your students is not too much to ask.
What about the nurses & doctors who worked 12 hour days in ICU's, watching COVID patients die left & right? Where is their break? We got to work from the comfort & safety of our own homes. Get over yourselves.

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Posted by KarenK122

I don't think anyone is blaming teachers. Just like any other job on the planet, there are good teachers and there are bad teachers. Some went above and beyond and others just did the bare minimum if that. The school fiasco needs to be blamed on the administrators not the teachers. They are the ones who made the plans or lack there of. September should be different as there has been plenty of time to learn from the mistakes and plenty of time to give professional development to teachers that need it to get more familiar with online teaching. As far as teachers not going back to work, that is their prerogative but then they should be out on disability or a leave. No job just lets you stay home because you don't want to return, medical or not.

Unfortunately I asked about this and I was told that they cannot force “professional development” over the Summer because it’s not in the contract.
So if they let people attend by choice, the good teachers will get better and the bad teachers probably won’t show up.

Correct. We are ten month employees. We can’t be forced to work for free during our two months of vacation.

This last quote is exactly why public school educators failed so miserably these past few months. Private schools excelled at remote learning as they knew parents wouldn't pay for bs learning. Public school educators are entitled, backed by completely unnecessary unions, and refuse to work harder or think outside the box. We need a new, privatized system as this one is failing our children.

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Posted by Christine2

Posted by quasi3

Posted by Katareen

Posted by KarenK122

I don't think anyone is blaming teachers. Just like any other job on the planet, there are good teachers and there are bad teachers. Some went above and beyond and others just did the bare minimum if that. The school fiasco needs to be blamed on the administrators not the teachers. They are the ones who made the plans or lack there of. September should be different as there has been plenty of time to learn from the mistakes and plenty of time to give professional development to teachers that need it to get more familiar with online teaching. As far as teachers not going back to work, that is their prerogative but then they should be out on disability or a leave. No job just lets you stay home because you don't want to return, medical or not.

Unfortunately I asked about this and I was told that they cannot force “professional development” over the Summer because it’s not in the contract.
So if they let people attend by choice, the good teachers will get better and the bad teachers probably won’t show up.

Correct. We are ten month employees. We can’t be forced to work for free during our two months of vacation.

This last quote is exactly why public school educators failed so miserably these past few months. Private schools excelled at remote learning as they knew parents wouldn't pay for bs learning. Public school educators are entitled, backed by completely unnecessary unions, and refuse to work harder or think outside the box. We need a new, privatized system as this one is failing our children.

ALL public school teachers? Here we go with the disgusting generalizations again. For the record? I heard the exact same thing about SOME private school teachers. I am SO SICK (as a public school teacher who "went above and beyond") of ANYONE being painted with the same brush. It's ENOUGH. (And for the record? Our "completely unnecessary unions" protect us from parents who unfairly paint everyone with a giant brush. So no. I don't think they're unnecessary at all.)

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Posted by valentinesbaby

Posted by nel

Posted by Christine2

Posted by quasi3

Posted by Katareen

Posted by KarenK122

I don't think anyone is blaming teachers. Just like any other job on the planet, there are good teachers and there are bad teachers. Some went above and beyond and others just did the bare minimum if that. The school fiasco needs to be blamed on the administrators not the teachers. They are the ones who made the plans or lack there of. September should be different as there has been plenty of time to learn from the mistakes and plenty of time to give professional development to teachers that need it to get more familiar with online teaching. As far as teachers not going back to work, that is their prerogative but then they should be out on disability or a leave. No job just lets you stay home because you don't want to return, medical or not.

Unfortunately I asked about this and I was told that they cannot force “professional development” over the Summer because it’s not in the contract.
So if they let people attend by choice, the good teachers will get better and the bad teachers probably won’t show up.

Correct. We are ten month employees. We can’t be forced to work for free during our two months of vacation.

This last quote is exactly why public school educators failed so miserably these past few months. Private schools excelled at remote learning as they knew parents wouldn't pay for bs learning. Public school educators are entitled, backed by completely unnecessary unions, and refuse to work harder or think outside the box. We need a new, privatized system as this one is failing our children.

ALL public school teachers? Here we go with the disgusting generalizations again. For the record? I heard the exact same thing about SOME private school teachers. I am SO SICK (as a public school teacher who "went above and beyond") of ANYONE being painted with the same brush. It's ENOUGH. (And for the record? Our "completely unnecessary unions" protect us from parents who unfairly paint everyone with a giant brush. So no. I don't think they're unnecessary at all.)

I will tell you IME, the lower grade teachers did a lot more work with kids than the higher ones. Emails were never returned for days, after an assignment was already due. All problems went through the guidance counselor, not the teacher. It was a pass/fail situation so why bother working your ass off as a student when your grade was already determined for the year. Many, many teachers make close to or well over 100K and SHOULD be going over and beyond. Not saying many did not but many of us make no where what a teacher makes, not even a first year teacher and have been working out butts off too and don’t get the next 2 months off. Us schlumps will be either back at work all day or working from home while many are traveling, at the beach, at home sitting by the pool, etc.
I appreciate what teachers do and yes there are good and bad ones so while we shouldn’t lump all as bad, we all shouldn’t lump as good and remember they get many perks that “regular” jobs do not.

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Posted by nel

Posted by valentinesbaby

Posted by nel

Posted by Christine2

Posted by quasi3

Posted by Katareen

Posted by KarenK122

I don't think anyone is blaming teachers. Just like any other job on the planet, there are good teachers and there are bad teachers. Some went above and beyond and others just did the bare minimum if that. The school fiasco needs to be blamed on the administrators not the teachers. They are the ones who made the plans or lack there of. September should be different as there has been plenty of time to learn from the mistakes and plenty of time to give professional development to teachers that need it to get more familiar with online teaching. As far as teachers not going back to work, that is their prerogative but then they should be out on disability or a leave. No job just lets you stay home because you don't want to return, medical or not.

Unfortunately I asked about this and I was told that they cannot force “professional development” over the Summer because it’s not in the contract.
So if they let people attend by choice, the good teachers will get better and the bad teachers probably won’t show up.

Correct. We are ten month employees. We can’t be forced to work for free during our two months of vacation.

This last quote is exactly why public school educators failed so miserably these past few months. Private schools excelled at remote learning as they knew parents wouldn't pay for bs learning. Public school educators are entitled, backed by completely unnecessary unions, and refuse to work harder or think outside the box. We need a new, privatized system as this one is failing our children.

ALL public school teachers? Here we go with the disgusting generalizations again. For the record? I heard the exact same thing about SOME private school teachers. I am SO SICK (as a public school teacher who "went above and beyond") of ANYONE being painted with the same brush. It's ENOUGH. (And for the record? Our "completely unnecessary unions" protect us from parents who unfairly paint everyone with a giant brush. So no. I don't think they're unnecessary at all.)

I will tell you IME, the lower grade teachers did a lot more work with kids than the higher ones. Emails were never returned for days, after an assignment was already due. All problems went through the guidance counselor, not the teacher. It was a pass/fail situation so why bother working your ass off as a student when your grade was already determined for the year. Many, many teachers make close to or well over 100K and SHOULD be going over and beyond. Not saying many did not but many of us make no where what a teacher makes, not even a first year teacher and have been working out butts off too and don’t get the next 2 months off. Us schlumps will be either back at work all day or working from home while many are traveling, at the beach, at home sitting by the pool, etc.
I appreciate what teachers do and yes there are good and bad ones so while we shouldn’t lump all as bad, we all shouldn’t lump as good and remember they get many perks that “regular” jobs do not.

First of all -- the "in my experience" makes this less offensive, so thanks for that. I mean it.

But I teach high school and -- like I said -- went above and beyond, and so did the other teachers I work with, so that's MY experience. i did not say we should lump all as good, but we also can't lump all as bad. THAT'S my point.

(And yes, while summers off are, indeed, a perk, teachers don't get paid for those two months, so it's certainly not a "rent-free" situation. Not saying it's not good but it's not all lollipops and rainbows. Plus -- there's still work to do for next year (when none of us have any idea what to expect).)

But to reiterate -- as you already said -- this is about one person's experience, and one person's experience neither can nor should define an ENTIRE profession.

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Posted by valentinesbaby

Posted by nel

Posted by valentinesbaby

Posted by nel

Posted by Christine2

Posted by quasi3

Posted by Katareen

Posted by KarenK122

I don't think anyone is blaming teachers. Just like any other job on the planet, there are good teachers and there are bad teachers. Some went above and beyond and others just did the bare minimum if that. The school fiasco needs to be blamed on the administrators not the teachers. They are the ones who made the plans or lack there of. September should be different as there has been plenty of time to learn from the mistakes and plenty of time to give professional development to teachers that need it to get more familiar with online teaching. As far as teachers not going back to work, that is their prerogative but then they should be out on disability or a leave. No job just lets you stay home because you don't want to return, medical or not.

Unfortunately I asked about this and I was told that they cannot force “professional development” over the Summer because it’s not in the contract.
So if they let people attend by choice, the good teachers will get better and the bad teachers probably won’t show up.

Correct. We are ten month employees. We can’t be forced to work for free during our two months of vacation.

This last quote is exactly why public school educators failed so miserably these past few months. Private schools excelled at remote learning as they knew parents wouldn't pay for bs learning. Public school educators are entitled, backed by completely unnecessary unions, and refuse to work harder or think outside the box. We need a new, privatized system as this one is failing our children.

ALL public school teachers? Here we go with the disgusting generalizations again. For the record? I heard the exact same thing about SOME private school teachers. I am SO SICK (as a public school teacher who "went above and beyond") of ANYONE being painted with the same brush. It's ENOUGH. (And for the record? Our "completely unnecessary unions" protect us from parents who unfairly paint everyone with a giant brush. So no. I don't think they're unnecessary at all.)

I will tell you IME, the lower grade teachers did a lot more work with kids than the higher ones. Emails were never returned for days, after an assignment was already due. All problems went through the guidance counselor, not the teacher. It was a pass/fail situation so why bother working your ass off as a student when your grade was already determined for the year. Many, many teachers make close to or well over 100K and SHOULD be going over and beyond. Not saying many did not but many of us make no where what a teacher makes, not even a first year teacher and have been working out butts off too and don’t get the next 2 months off. Us schlumps will be either back at work all day or working from home while many are traveling, at the beach, at home sitting by the pool, etc.
I appreciate what teachers do and yes there are good and bad ones so while we shouldn’t lump all as bad, we all shouldn’t lump as good and remember they get many perks that “regular” jobs do not.

First of all -- the "in my experience" makes this less offensive, so thanks for that. I mean it.

But I teach high school and -- like I said -- went above and beyond, and so did the other teachers I work with, so that's MY experience. i did not say we should lump all as good, but we also can't lump all as bad. THAT'S my point.

(And yes, while summers off are, indeed, a perk, teachers don't get paid for those two months, so it's certainly not a "rent-free" situation. Not saying it's not good but it's not all lollipops and rainbows. Plus -- there's still work to do for next year (when none of us have any idea what to expect).)

But to reiterate -- as you already said -- this is about one person's experience, and one person's experience neither can nor should define an ENTIRE profession.

You have the option (at least in my experience) to have your salary split into 12 months. If you are saying that you (in general) ONLY get paid 100K for 10 months, you do realize that sounds even worse then for non teachers who work all 12 months and don’t get paid close to that or do and still have to work the extra 2 months. Add on holidays, Christmas break, winter break, spring break, snow days.
I do know many teachers take classes on breaks so I am not against teachers and how hard they work to get more pay.

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There seems to be a huge disconnect between this website and reality. Apparently every single teacher on this website went above and beyond, communicated all day long with students, and provided live or pre-recorded personalized instruction.

At the same time, MANY of the parents on this website, and most that I know IRL (including me) had a poor experience with their teachers. (Even though my teachers made several comments about how hard they were working.)

In most other professions your job security is not tied to your effort. It's tied to results. And yes I realize that cannot translate directly over to teaching. But it can a little bit. And that is what parents are saying. Teachers may have worked harder than ever, but in *some* cases it wasn't enough. And for *some* teachers (including my own principal who I spoke to), the response was "well we did what we were required to do".

Some of us parents are just a little sick of the defensive responses. I worked hard the last few months too, harder than ever. But at the end of the day if my clients are unhappy I will lose my job. They don't care if I worked on their project until 2am every night. If it sucked, it sucked.

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