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Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
As a teacher, I have seen the December babies being the LEAST mature and ready and I have also seen the December babies being the MOST mature and ready. It's not a magic line. I think whatever the cut off is, there should be a screening for any children within that endpoint, ideally even a screening for ALL children entering K. Some are NOT ready, others are. But as for budging, there really isn't any wiggle room.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by MissJones
As a teacher, I have seen the December babies being the LEAST mature and ready and I have also seen the December babies being the MOST mature and ready. It's not a magic line. I think whatever the cut off is, there should be a screening for any children within that endpoint, ideally even a screening for ALL children entering K. Some are NOT ready, others are. But as for budging, there really isn't any wiggle room.
I've never heard of a district NOT having a screening for K. Does yours not screen?
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by MissJones
As a teacher, I have seen the December babies being the LEAST mature and ready and I have also seen the December babies being the MOST mature and ready. It's not a magic line. I think whatever the cut off is, there should be a screening for any children within that endpoint, ideally even a screening for ALL children entering K. Some are NOT ready, others are. But as for budging, there really isn't any wiggle room.
I taught middle school so by then it was never noticeable who was older and who was younger.
I currently have a Brownie troop with one child who was born on Dec. 2. Her mom send her to private K and then she moved over to the public school. There is another child also born in Dec but the year before so there is a full year between them. The younger child is more mature and better able to work independently. It is definitely not a magic line! There will always be exceptions.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
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Posted by MissJones
As a teacher, I have seen the December babies being the LEAST mature and ready and I have also seen the December babies being the MOST mature and ready. It's not a magic line. I think whatever the cut off is, there should be a screening for any children within that endpoint, ideally even a screening for ALL children entering K. Some are NOT ready, others are. But as for budging, there really isn't any wiggle room.
I've never heard of a district NOT having a screening for K. Does yours not screen?
Definitely not all districts have screening.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
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Posted by MissJones
As a teacher, I have seen the December babies being the LEAST mature and ready and I have also seen the December babies being the MOST mature and ready. It's not a magic line. I think whatever the cut off is, there should be a screening for any children within that endpoint, ideally even a screening for ALL children entering K. Some are NOT ready, others are. But as for budging, there really isn't any wiggle room.
I've never heard of a district NOT having a screening for K. Does yours not screen?
Definitely not all districts have screening.
I think the poster is talking about a different type of screening to identify if the kid missed the cut off "technically" but they meet certain conditions that should let them go to K and not stay back a year.
I think the majority if not all schools have some type of screen to see where the student pros/cons so they can "attempt" to balance a class and identify a needs analysis.
My kid was born in March. Not a close as the PP'ers however, waiting a year has just given her more tools to grow and now in K, she has blossom and already doing work a grade in front of her.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by LuckyStar
Like so many things I notice every day, to this I say "only on LI." Nowhere else has a Dec. 1 cutoff because it doesn't make sense. Jan. 1 cutoff- all kids born in the same year. Sept. 1 cutoff- all kids same age. Dec. 1 cutoff- nonsense.
I grew up in the city and was born in Jan. I HATED being the oldest. I was bored out of my mind and wasn't challenged. I've always sworn I would never do that to my kid.
For me, I'd do Catholic school for K or leave the district.
ITA. I always wondered how they came up with the 12/1 deadline. I think it should be 1/1 or 9/1, either would make sense.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
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Like so many things I notice every day, to this I say "only on LI." Nowhere else has a Dec. 1 cutoff because it doesn't make sense. Jan. 1 cutoff- all kids born in the same year. Sept. 1 cutoff- all kids same age. Dec. 1 cutoff- nonsense.
I grew up in the city and was born in Jan. I HATED being the oldest. I was bored out of my mind and wasn't challenged. I've always sworn I would never do that to my kid.
For me, I'd do Catholic school for K or leave the district.
ITA. I always wondered how they came up with the 12/1 deadline. I think it should be 1/1 or 9/1, either would make sense.
I agree with this. Either make it the calendar year or school year. And the redshirting has gotten out of hand, high schools will have a 6 year age gap which is just asking for trouble IMO.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by ChristinaM128
Being a December baby myself (and having a December baby as well), this topic always bothers me because regardless of WHEN the cutoff is, there's always an oldest and a youngest. If the cutoff was April,, the April babies would be the oldest and march the youngest. There's always going to be a 12-month span of ages in a grade. And eventually, that span won't matter as much as they get older. When they are younger, there's enrichment if one is "mature" and extra support if one is behind, and I caution people from making a jump because of how their child presents at age 4 or 5. I'm an educator and know kids pushed ahead because of brightness at a young age but had a hard time come age 12 when they start to lag behind in social issues and maturity.
Unfortunately now, with the popularity of "red-shirting" there is usually a span of more than 12 months in any given grade. Which is why I wish they would be as strict about children starting K at the right age as they are about refusing to let kids in early.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Here in NC it is August 31st. My kids are some of the oldest in their class(born Nov. 24th) It worked out fine. They have Single Subject Acceleration so if one of my children eneds up ahead they have a solution for that.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
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My district will not budge. My daughter was born January 1st. I am glad, she is that much more mature and ahead of the game being the oldest in her class. There is no point in rushing these kids. School is hard when they get older, you will be thankful for having held them back.
I agree.
DS is a 12/30 baby and started K this year.
It's amazing what they expect of these kids in K alone.
We have no regrets whatsoever and have had no issues with him.
And, TRUST ME, my daughter is a freshman in high school now. Things are so much harder than when we were in school. I mean really, significantly harder. It would definitely be beneficial to have the older, more mature child.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Post Dec 1 birthdays have to wait for the upcoming year, but those before can be held back if necessary.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by MissJones
As a teacher, I have seen the December babies being the LEAST mature and ready and I have also seen the December babies being the MOST mature and ready. It's not a magic line. I think whatever the cut off is, there should be a screening for any children within that endpoint, ideally even a screening for ALL children entering K. Some are NOT ready, others are. But as for budging, there really isn't any wiggle room.
I've never heard of a district NOT having a screening for K. Does yours not screen?
I think she means screening for kids who fall on the cusp of the cut off date to see if they are ready to enter K even though they miss the deadline by a few days or weeks
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by DiamondGirl
NYC DOE is 12/31, as it should be IMO
I feel like the cutoff should be universal for all of NYS, heck for all of the US, it so annoying that it isn't.
Totally agree. And private schools need to be held to the same standard. DH and I were born in the same year, he in Feb and me in Oct. He started school a year before me because MIL sent him to private school. Ridiculous.
My district has a 12/1 cutoff and I kind of hate it; my daughters are both November babies and will be the youngest in their classes. I have a fall birthday also and turned out ok, but it's not true for everyone...
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
I think dec. 31st should be the cut off for all schools. How can dates like dec. 1 or Sept 30 or even October date cut offs be justified? How does one town/district determine that november babies aren't ready and another determines October and later aren't ready? Every kid born in 2015 should be given an opportunity to go to K this year.
I feel like then they should just change the age to 6yrs old for K. The majority of my sons class were 6 when they started K or turning 6. In his first grade there were a lot of 7 yr olds. He was the youngest in his class and his bday was only in October, which I don't feel is that late in the year when school starts in September. I couldn't imagine DS just finishing K, he would've been bored out of his mind. I'm glad I didn't listen to people and went with my gut.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by Sash
I think dec. 31st should be the cut off for all schools. How can dates like dec. 1 or Sept 30 or even October date cut offs be justified?
I can understand the 12/31 cutoff for obvious reasons and the Oct/Sept cutoff so that all kids are born in the same school year. However, the 12/1 cutoff makes absolutely no sense to me.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
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I think dec. 31st should be the cut off for all schools. How can dates like dec. 1 or Sept 30 or even October date cut offs be justified?
I can understand the 12/31 cutoff for obvious reasons and the Oct/Sept cutoff so that all kids are born in the same school year. However, the 12/1 cutoff makes absolutely no sense to me.
To me it doesn't make sense because then the following year you will the Oct-Dec. babies who weren't born in the same year.
I also meant that I have seen crazy dates here in NJ when I was researching for my DS. Dates like Nov.1, Mid. Oct, Dec 1st, Aug 31st, they just were all over the place. When I want to school, I was one of the oldest as a May baby. That seemed normal.
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Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
I agree that 12/1 cut offs are arbitrary (vs. Dec 31 or Sept 1) but that is the cut off for most Long Island Districts. DD is a Dec baby and I contemplated this issue before she was even born-- just as you are. Eventually I figured, I will just see how it goes-- I will send her to Private K if need be to catch her up with her year or I will go with the flow and have her be the oldest kid in class. DD is now 3.5 and here are my observations... 1. There is a ton of redshirting in my district so if I were to push her ahead she would be more than 12-18 months younger than a lot of the kids in her class, which seems crazy to me. 2. Although DD is very smart, I can still see a difference, as do her pre school teachers, between her and the older kids in her 3's program, mostly emotionally and socially. So, it seems like we will keep DD on the path the district calls for rather than trying to push her ahead because we think that is what will work best for her. She will have an extra year of pre school and an extra year to mature and hopefully be more ready for K which from what I hear is pretty demanding these days and is a full day in my district! There seems no benefit for pushing her ahead. She did a 3's program, will do a 4's program next year and then an "early 5's program" which is a program her pre school offers for kids that have late fall/Dec bdays. Every child is different and there are options either way you decide to go- You will know what the right thing is when its time. Congratulations and Good Luck!
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Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
I think a lot of kids are redshirted for the wrong reasons. Children who are legitimately not ready should be redshirted. However, that is often not the case. Now parents redshirt to give their kids an academic edge- they'll be perfectly ready for kindergarten, but ready isn't enough, they need to run circles around every other kid. So, the parents hold them back. It happens in the city ALL THE TIME, and I would assume the same happens on LI, probably just not as frequently.
So, you can skirt the rules if you want your kid to breeze through, but not if you want them at a grade level they miss by 5 days.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by LuckyStar
I think a lot of kids are redshirted for the wrong reasons. Children who are legitimately not ready should be redshirted. However, that is often not the case. Now parents redshirt to give their kids an academic edge- they'll be perfectly ready for kindergarten, but ready isn't enough, they need to run circles around every other kid. So, the parents hold them back. It happens in the city ALL THE TIME, and I would assume the same happens on LI, probably just not as frequently.
So, you can skirt the rules if you want your kid to breeze through, but not if you want them at a grade level they miss by 5 days.
I agree, I see this happen a lot. But to each their own, I could never do this to my kid so he could have a academic advantage.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
I have a December 3rd baby and I'm struggling with this. I thought of private K but from what I've heard- they are still strict with the cutoff to enter 1st. 
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
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Posted by LuckyStar
I think a lot of kids are redshirted for the wrong reasons. Children who are legitimately not ready should be redshirted. However, that is often not the case. Now parents redshirt to give their kids an academic edge- they'll be perfectly ready for kindergarten, but ready isn't enough, they need to run circles around every other kid. So, the parents hold them back. It happens in the city ALL THE TIME, and I would assume the same happens on LI, probably just not as frequently.
So, you can skirt the rules if you want your kid to breeze through, but not if you want them at a grade level they miss by 5 days.
I agree, I see this happen a lot. But to each their own, I could never do this to my kid so he could have a academic advantage.
It could also backfire, and the kid will be really bored and lose interest in school at an early age...or lead to classroom behavior issues.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by DiamondGirl
NYC DOE is 12/31, as it should be IMO
I feel like the cutoff should be universal for all of NYS, heck for all of the US, it so annoying that it isn't.
My feeling is, make the cutoff 12/31, if Fall/Winter babies REALLY aren't ready then there is always the option to repeat.
ITA. i have researched the towns around me (my town is 12/31) and the cutoff is very hard and fast.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
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Posted by ChristinaM128
Being a December baby myself (and having a December baby as well), this topic always bothers me because regardless of WHEN the cutoff is, there's always an oldest and a youngest. If the cutoff was April,, the April babies would be the oldest and march the youngest. There's always going to be a 12-month span of ages in a grade. And eventually, that span won't matter as much as they get older. When they are younger, there's enrichment if one is "mature" and extra support if one is behind, and I caution people from making a jump because of how their child presents at age 4 or 5. I'm an educator and know kids pushed ahead because of brightness at a young age but had a hard time come age 12 when they start to lag behind in social issues and maturity.
Unfortunately now, with the popularity of "red-shirting" there is usually a span of more than 12 months in any given grade. Which is why I wish they would be as strict about children starting K at the right age as they are about refusing to let kids in early.
I agree. The red shirting is out of control. If you have a boy born after September people will ask if you are going to "give them the gift of the year". It's not fair to the people who put their children in the grade they are supposed to be in.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by TheDivineMrsM
Post Dec 1 birthdays have to wait for the upcoming year, but those before can be held back if necessary.
And that is why this all makes no sense to me!
If my child is born on December 2nd they have no choice but if they're born two days earlier they have two years to choose from. How does this make any sense to the districts??
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Why do they call it red shirting?
Why not green shirt?
Blue shirt?
Where did that name come from?
I picture all these older kids in Kindergarten wearing red shirts!
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