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TheDivineMrsM
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by Pomegranate5
Posted by TheDivineMrsM
Post Dec 1 birthdays have to wait for the upcoming year, but those before can be held back if necessary.
And that is why this all makes no sense to me!
If my child is born on December 2nd they have no choice but if they're born two days earlier they have two years to choose from. How does this make any sense to the districts??
I don't think it makes sense at all - I think the cutoff either needs to be the first day of school or 12/31. As the sister of someone born on 12/2 and the mom of two November babies, I think the LI cutoff is completely ridiculous. But the 12/1 rule is the one that exists. 
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Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
we live in NC, the cutoff here is August 31st - my son was born on 9/9 so when he starts K this August, he will turn 6 a few weeks later
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by NervousNell
Why do they call it red shirting?
Why not green shirt?
Blue shirt?
Where did that name come from?
I picture all these older kids in Kindergarten wearing red shirts!
I think it came from college sports. Athletes can redshirt to keep their eligibility to play college sports an extra year.
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ali120206
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Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
My son is born on 12/21. I debated this for a little while last year - I didn't feel he was any less ready than his friends born in Oct or Nov. I spoke to some teacher friends and their opinion was that the kids born in Oct and Nov probably should wait a year as well. I figured the cut off was there for a reason and since he was a boy and small for his age, another year wouldn't hurt.
He had done 1/2 year of Pre-K at daycare and was sad that most of his class graduated and was headed to kindergarten so to switch it up, I sent him to a local preschool in the afternoon (he got UPK so it was no additional cost).
We've met a few boys who will be starting K with him next year who are actually older than him - so he won't be the oldest in the class (they had late year b-days and their parents decided to wait).
I feel now he is more than ready to start K in September (and as an added plus - full day K was included in our budget this year.
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kahlua716
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by Pomegranate5
Posted by TheDivineMrsM
Post Dec 1 birthdays have to wait for the upcoming year, but those before can be held back if necessary.
And that is why this all makes no sense to me!
If my child is born on December 2nd they have no choice but if they're born two days earlier they have two years to choose from. How does this make any sense to the districts??
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by Budjeg11
I agree that 12/1 cut offs are arbitrary (vs. Dec 31 or Sept 1) but that is the cut off for most Long Island Districts. DD is a Dec baby and I contemplated this issue before she was even born-- just as you are. Eventually I figured, I will just see how it goes-- I will send her to Private K if need be to catch her up with her year or I will go with the flow and have her be the oldest kid in class. DD is now 3.5 and here are my observations... 1. There is a ton of redshirting in my district so if I were to push her ahead she would be more than 12-18 months younger than a lot of the kids in her class, which seems crazy to me. 2. Although DD is very smart, I can still see a difference, as do her pre school teachers, between her and the older kids in her 3's program, mostly emotionally and socially. So, it seems like we will keep DD on the path the district calls for rather than trying to push her ahead because we think that is what will work best for her. She will have an extra year of pre school and an extra year to mature and hopefully be more ready for K which from what I hear is pretty demanding these days and is a full day in my district! There seems no benefit for pushing her ahead. She did a 3's program, will do a 4's program next year and then an "early 5's program" which is a program her pre school offers for kids that have late fall/Dec bdays. Every child is different and there are options either way you decide to go- You will know what the right thing is when its time. Congratulations and Good Luck!
Thanks so much!
Thank you, all, for the really insightful answers!!
I'm a December baby, too... but my mom got me in ahead (I won't say how... lol), but that was 35 years ago! MUCH different now! I was always the youngest in my class, but I was fine, especially academically, where I excelled. I guess it really does depend on the kid, but it's good to know about the private school option if it looks like my child is "ready" to go to Kindergarten.
Thanks, everyone! 
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
I am wholeheartedly against red shirting.
Someone has to be the youngest, in my professional experience as an educator it is not an advantage in the long term to hold a child back.
My kids are both fall babies and will be the among the youngest, I as a December baby was always the youngest and it never had any impact.
I think there is confusion between children who require remedial services or are special needs and 'younger kids'. Send the child to school, if you and the educator feel it is appropriate to have the child repeat the grade then do so, holding back to be the oldest is silly IMO and gives the parent a false sense that the child has an advantage when in fact the opposite can happen and the child may be bored, feel out of place bc they are bigger than the other kids etc.
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Sash
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by Katareen
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Posted by LuckyStar
I think a lot of kids are redshirted for the wrong reasons. Children who are legitimately not ready should be redshirted. However, that is often not the case. Now parents redshirt to give their kids an academic edge- they'll be perfectly ready for kindergarten, but ready isn't enough, they need to run circles around every other kid. So, the parents hold them back. It happens in the city ALL THE TIME, and I would assume the same happens on LI, probably just not as frequently.
So, you can skirt the rules if you want your kid to breeze through, but not if you want them at a grade level they miss by 5 days.
I agree, I see this happen a lot. But to each their own, I could never do this to my kid so he could have a academic advantage.
It could also backfire, and the kid will be really bored and lose interest in school at an early age...or lead to classroom behavior issues.
I agree. I actually know someone who redshirtted and her daughter got left back in K. Now her child will be two years behind. My kid is the smallest in his class because he is short by nature but so was I and it never held me back, he also has been bored in first grade. I could only imagine the calls I would have gotten.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
I didn't read the replies, but my DS is an early December birthday, missing the Dec. 1 cutoff by a few days. I have not seen any downsides to him being older, but I do think there are benefits.
He's in kindergarten now, but even in preschool, there were always several children who also had December birthdays, as well as January, February. So he's never been the actual oldest (this year, there's a boy in his class who was born 3 days before him, and a girl who was born 10 days after).
My DS is tall for his age and has always done well with school settings, but I think being on the older, more mature side can only be an advantage. My DS does well in school, and has had an easy transition, but I've never had concern with him being "bored" -- first, he is learning things at the same time that his class is, so it's not like he's "ahead" in the curriculum. But there are always opportunities for enrichment (his class has a "challenge group" where the kids who are capable of it can work independently on more challenging work, there are different levels of reading groups, etc.). And part of starting school is adjusting to the structure and routines. Being on the older side and perhaps being a bit more mature is helpful, from what I've seen and experienced.
I haven't seen any negative repurcussions of him being the oldest. The only thing - and it's tiny - is that he plays Little League, and they play by birth year, so he's not with his kindergarten friends or classmates for baseball (he plays with 1st graders). But hardly a big deal.
I know of someone in a neighboring town who had 2 kids with December birthday and pushed them to go to school early. Frankly, I didn't know that a district would allow that (I don't think mine does), and it would have never have occurred to me to inquire. Someone will always have to be the oldest and someone will always be the youngest, and I knew based on our district cutoff that my DS would be the oldest or close to it.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by alli3131
My DS is a dec 28th baby. He is going to private K and the. To public 1st grade. He does so much better around the older kids so I'm going to plan on preK in sept and K the following year. Big it comes time to put him in K and he's not ready then we won't do it but as of right now that's our plan
We did this for our older son. His birthday is Dec 20. It was beyond obvious he was ready to go to Kindergarten. He actually fought me about going to nursery school because he wanted to learn to read more (he taught himself around 3) and he wanted to learn more and said preschool was boring.
We paid for catholic school for K. technically to go to a private K, the private school is supposed to adhear to the public schools cut off. In our area out of 5 school districts, 3 are a Dec 1 cut off, 2 are Dec 31. So the private school asked us to get something from our public district saying they would accept a child who had completed K should we choose to return to public school. Keep in mind he was NOT eligible for busing during kindergarten because the buses are paid for by your public schools.
After a year at Catholic school, we did just that and moved him to 1st grade in our public district. The public school does reserve the right to move the child back into what htey feel is the appropriate grade and I do know cases where that happened in our school district.
There is alot to conisider when the time comes honestly. My son is in class with kids who are up to 15 months older because they were "held back', he is the youngest in his grade.....I wouldnt worry about it much now. Honestly we didnt decide until he was 4y4m and we signed him up for catholic school. At that point we made the decision that if he wasnt ready we were okay with moving him back to pre-K in his catholic school or letting him finish the year in K and then repeating K at hte public school.
You will need to weigh the options, pros and cons when you see how your child is as a 4+ year old as every child is different
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by kahlua716
I have a December 3rd baby and I'm struggling with this. I thought of private K but from what I've heard- they are still strict with the cutoff to enter 1st. 
If this is a true concern, call the district offices. ours were able to point me to a page in our school district handbook/policies that stated that the child would be accepted into their first grade program, but they reserved the right to do testing the first month of school and move them back down if they felt it was necessary.
So my thought is this, if you were living in say Northport SD where the cut off is dec 31st and moved the summer after yur child completed K to a district whose cut off was Dec 1, do you think they would make your child repeat K? I didnt think so, and I called adn was right, and our SD/town is strict on everything! LOL
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Also, as far as the nursery-preschool-pre-K progression - my son never repeated anything. I was mindful of the cutoff, and I enrolled him in a 2s program the September he was 2 (he turned 3 three months later). Then he did his 3s program, then 4 year old pre-K, and now kindergarten.
Basically, I made sure he started with the group /age level he would be with in public school (based on the district cut off) and he progressed through the various levels of preschool that way, always one of the oldest in the class. It was very simple and he grew and learned year to year.
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Sash
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by Century 21 Dallow - Christine Braun
Also, as far as the nursery-preschool-pre-K progression - my son never repeated anything. I was mindful of the cutoff, and I enrolled him in a 2s program the September he was 2 (he turned 3 three months later). Then he did his 3s program, then 4 year old pre-K, and now kindergarten.
Basically, I made sure he started with the group /age level he would be with in public school (based on the district cut off) and he progressed through the various levels of preschool that way, always one of the oldest in the class. It was very simple and he grew and learned year to year.
Yes but some people who work full time have their kids in a program so they will repeat the Pre-K program if their birthdays don't reach the cutoff.
This happened with my niece and she was a January baby. She did preK program twice, once in her day care and another in catholic school. So i think that's why people are saying their kids will do it twice.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by BargainMama
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As a teacher, I have seen the December babies being the LEAST mature and ready and I have also seen the December babies being the MOST mature and ready. It's not a magic line. I think whatever the cut off is, there should be a screening for any children within that endpoint, ideally even a screening for ALL children entering K. Some are NOT ready, others are. But as for budging, there really isn't any wiggle room.
I've never heard of a district NOT having a screening for K. Does yours not screen?
I teach NYC. Parents just have to show up with documentation of birth and residence.
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by DiamondGirl
I am wholeheartedly against red shirting.
Someone has to be the youngest, in my professional experience as an educator it is not an advantage in the long term to hold a child back.
My kids are both fall babies and will be the among the youngest, I as a December baby was always the youngest and it never had any impact.
I think there is confusion between children who require remedial services or are special needs and 'younger kids'. Send the child to school, if you and the educator feel it is appropriate to have the child repeat the grade then do so, holding back to be the oldest is silly IMO and gives the parent a false sense that the child has an advantage when in fact the opposite can happen and the child may be bored, feel out of place bc they are bigger than the other kids etc.
ITA!!!
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Re: Dec. 1st School Cutoff Question for moms of kids born in Dec
Posted by Century 21 Dallow - Christine Braun
I haven't seen any negative repurcussions of him being the oldest. The only thing - and it's tiny - is that he plays Little League, and they play by birth year, so he's not with his kindergarten friends or classmates for baseball (he plays with 1st graders). But hardly a big deal.
This is a negative we have as well but for soccer (our little league groups them in two year groups - so one year he will be with his classmates, the other year he will be with older kids).
This past year in soccer - it was the first time I could notice he was youngest one on the team.
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