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headoverheels
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
i think people's opinions of Obama have a lot to do with where they get their information - what newspapers they read, what radio stations and shows they listen to, what TV channels and shows they watch.
if you only listen to Fox, you'll only hear the bad. if you only listen to CNN, you'll only hear the good. there is no in between. and none of us knows the complete extent of what he is actually doing unless you are there in DC right next to him.
i don't know if anyone is capable of being completely objective. and i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for at least the next few years while we see how his policies and stimulus packages play out.
as for Obama using the state of the country when he came into office as an "excuse" i don't agree with that statement one bit. that applies to every new president. the country was in such bad shape that it will take years and years to fix. that's a fact, not an excuse.
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by headoverheels
i think people's opinions of Obama have a lot to do with where they get their information - what newspapers they read, what radio stations and shows they listen to, what TV channels and shows they watch.
if you only listen to Fox, you'll only hear the bad. if you only listen to CNN, you'll only hear the good. there is no in between. and none of us knows the complete extent of what he is actually doing unless you are there in DC right next to him.
i don't know if anyone is capable of being completely objective. and i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for at least the next few years while we see how his policies and stimulus packages play out.
as for Obama using the state of the country when he came into office as an "excuse" i don't agree with that statement one bit. that applies to every new president. the country was in such bad shape that it will take years and years to fix. that's a fact, not an excuse.
ITA. It will take generations to fix. It won't be "fixed" it was will just be better than before. I really do think people need to understand that there are things that will get worse before they get better. Do nothing approaches don't work. Take the last 8 years.
When people start working again people will love him. Watch his approval rating go high.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by DirtyBlonde
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
and he's also managed in a few short months to TRIPLE the national defict.
the national deficit was 7.7 trillion before election day
it is currently 11.6 trillion
to answer the question - i have not yet formulated an opinion
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by DirtyBlonde
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
and he's also managed in a few short months to TRIPLE the national defict.
the national deficit was 7.7 trillion before election day
it is currently 11.6 trillion
to answer the question - i have not yet formulated an opinion
CNN source
The enormous leap in the annual deficit -- it was $459 billion in 2008 -- is primarily due to the effects of the financial and economic crises and the government's response to them.
In February, the White House Office of Management and Budget estimated that this year's deficit would hit $1.75 trillion, or $100 billion less than the CBO.
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headoverheels
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DirtyBlonde
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
and he's also managed in a few short months to TRIPLE the national defict.
the national deficit was 7.7 trillion before election day
it is currently 11.6 trillion
to answer the question - i have not yet formulated an opinion
CNN source
The enormous leap in the annual deficit -- it was $459 billion in 2008 -- is primarily due to the effects of the financial and economic crises and the government's response to them.
In February, the White House Office of Management and Budget estimated that this year's deficit would hit $1.75 trillion, or $100 billion less than the CBO.
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those are just estimations - not facts. it hasn't happened yet, so why use those stats?
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DirtyBlonde
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
and he's also managed in a few short months to TRIPLE the national defict.
the national deficit was 7.7 trillion before election day
it is currently 11.6 trillion
to answer the question - i have not yet formulated an opinion
CNN source
The enormous leap in the annual deficit -- it was $459 billion in 2008 -- is primarily due to the effects of the financial and economic crises and the government's response to them.
In February, the White House Office of Management and Budget estimated that this year's deficit would hit $1.75 trillion, or $100 billion less than the CBO.
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those are just estimations - not facts. it hasn't happened yet, so why use those stats?
the nat'l deficit hit 1 trillion
Google search - you choose where to validate this info
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headoverheels
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
big difference between $1.086 and $1.845 trillion, IMO. almost double.
and these are still numbers carrying over from when Bush was in office.
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| Posted 7/19/09 11:24 AM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by headoverheels
big difference between $1.086 and $1.845 trillion, IMO. almost double.
and these are still numbers carrying over from when Bush was in office.
first of all, the $1.8 trillion is the projected path for the deficit for the whole year. this is not a baseless #
2nd, $459 billion in January of this year to more than a trillion in 6 months is not a big difference? 
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| Posted 7/19/09 11:28 AM |
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Otherme
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by headoverheels
i think people's opinions of Obama have a lot to do with where they get their information - what newspapers they read, what radio stations and shows they listen to, what TV channels and shows they watch.
if you only listen to Fox, you'll only hear the bad. if you only listen to CNN, you'll only hear the good. there is no in between. and none of us knows the complete extent of what he is actually doing unless you are there in DC right next to him.
i don't know if anyone is capable of being completely objective. and i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for at least the next few years while we see how his policies and stimulus packages play out.
as for Obama using the state of the country when he came into office as an "excuse" i don't agree with that statement one bit. that applies to every new president. the country was in such bad shape that it will take years and years to fix. that's a fact, not an excuse.
Yup, what she said 
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Babyaholic
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Everyone complains about what Bush did, but really for 7 of his 8 years when people were flourishing with inflated housing prices and had jobs and using the economy to their benefit was anyone complaining (Besides about the war)? Oh and fwiw when Bush took over we were in a recession left to him by Clinton, but no one ever seems to remember that.
As for Obama. Do I approve - no. Do I have unrealistic expectations- Absolutely not. I just happen to disagree with the plans he is trying to put in place or has put in place that has done nothing for us.
New York cannot even handle Medicaid and Medicare. I can't wait to see how we how our a$$es handed to us if/when we pass this health care plan.
Slow and steady wins the race....
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| Posted 7/19/09 9:27 PM |
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cjik
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by twiceasnice
I think his agenda of "fixing" things is starting to blow people's minds. He is making things worse and America is getting scared.
 Worse than during the Bush years? So the last 8 years were just A-OK? It blows my mind that anyone could be satisfied with the previous administration and rip this one to shreds, but anyhoo...
To answer the question, I think he has a mess of monumental proportions to clean up, both from the numerous mistakes of the previous administration and from the financial free fall that has taken place worldwide. You don't clean that up overnight, and it's not easy to do either. It does require sacrifice and most people do not want to sacrifice, so there you have a big source of discontent IMO. And many people couldn't stand him from the start, so no matter what he does, he's wrong.
Whether or not his policies will help us in the long run, only time will tell. But I like much of what he has done so far, and the fact that he is addressing long ignored issues such as health care. So I would say yes, I'm satisfied thus far.
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cjik
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
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ChilisWife
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
If we are going to blame Bush then we need to also blame Clinton for part of our current problems.
From Time Magazine's list of Top 25 people to blame for the economic crisis:
"President Clinton's tenure was characterized by economic prosperity and financial deregulation, which in many ways set the stage for the excesses of recent years. Among his biggest strokes of free-wheeling capitalism was the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, a cornerstone of Depression-era regulation. He also signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which exempted credit-default swaps from regulation. In 1995 Clinton loosened housing rules by rewriting the Community Reinvestment Act, which put added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods. It is the subject of heated political and scholarly debate whether any of these moves are to blame for our troubles, but they certainly played a role in creating a permissive lending environment."
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belladi
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
I believe we have given the govt way too much control.. Taxes always go up, but HOW much is waht Im afraid of. We already have govt plans for healthcare why not expand on what we have? They dont have a clue on how to run a healthcare plan, the clintons proved that years ago.
I dont believe in spending spending spending spending when we are in this mess because of mishandled money so what message are they really sending...
The home loan modifications program hasnt really worked, everyone wanted to kill wallstreet, what happened with that?
We have yet to see the worst and the govt is tackliking way too many issues
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yankinmanc
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
I really wish that all these people who advocate socialism would just move to Europe. if it's so grand, why do the rich Euros come HERE for medical treatment?
Just wondering, can you show me some statistical evidence to back this up? Its a grand statement, and I wonder what your source is coming from on this one.
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Nifheim
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
We can ***** about Obama vs McCain but yet no one said a peep or protested what just happened in Albany. Barely a cry to toss out our elected officials who wasted tons of tax payers money over a simply title/leadership role. (i am one of those people who didn't demand someone step down)
I find the reason why we are still falling a part is because we the people do not take care of our own business. we rely too much on who we elect into position and when they fault we post/blog all about it but yet no action is taken to remove the individual. Same thing with Obama's plans if you don't like it then write to your elected officials, say do not vote on it do not approve it. We have a say, we are not powerless but yet we do nothing. (i am one of those people who do nothing, except for Bush I did write saying I do not stand for X plan) I am not happy about Obama's health plan i am going to write in to all of our officials saying NO.
Clinton totally let loose on the reigns and deregulated everything allowing this to unfold. But Bush had the power and the knowledge to change it, to see what that deregulation was doing but he didn't because he was benefiting from it (his family made $$$)
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stickydust
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
My biggest problem is that I feel that any legistlation that proposes to create such a great taxpayer burden for generations to come should be passed as a result of thoughtful deliberation and meaningful debate. I feel that the process is being rushed in favor of just getting something through (as was done with the stimulus). If you really want to change things for the better lets come up with a thoughtful plan that really works and lets not shut out different voices or opinions - I think collaboration amongst all sides is what really leads to good solutions.
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cjik
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by Nifheim
We can ***** about Obama vs McCain but yet no one said a peep or protested what just happened in Albany. Barely a cry to toss out our elected officials who wasted tons of tax payers money over a simply title/leadership role. (i am one of those people who didn't demand someone step down)
ITA. I posted about this a few weeks ago and got very few responses. The whole thing was extremely frustrating--money and jobs were on the line, and all for what? For some to advance their own political careers? Disgraceful.
And you are correct, a lot of our current deregulation took place under Clinton, and some of it goes back to Reagan, so they share blame for the mess we are in today. But Bush could have done something--things got too crazy under his watch.
But the whole post is really about the job Obama is doing. I do think a lot of your perception of him probably comes from your newsource also. Both the left and the right have extreme views of him, and neither really covers his presidency with any objectivity IMO.
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mrsej
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by ChilisWife
If we are going to blame Bush then we need to also blame Clinton for part of our current problems.
From Time Magazine's list of Top 25 people to blame for the economic crisis:
"President Clinton's tenure was characterized by economic prosperity and financial deregulation, which in many ways set the stage for the excesses of recent years. Among his biggest strokes of free-wheeling capitalism was the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, a cornerstone of Depression-era regulation. He also signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which exempted credit-default swaps from regulation. In 1995 Clinton loosened housing rules by rewriting the Community Reinvestment Act, which put added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods. It is the subject of heated political and scholarly debate whether any of these moves are to blame for our troubles, but they certainly played a role in creating a permissive lending environment."
I voted for Clinton and thought he was great, but my college Political Science professor kept talking about how we were going to feel the repercussions of his deregulation - he kept talking about how it is going to hit hard. We all laughed - I wonder what he is thinking now?!?!
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Janice
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by racheeeee
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
I really wish that all these people who advocate socialism would just move to Europe. if it's so grand, why do the rich Euros come HERE for medical treatment?
Just wondering, can you show me some statistical evidence to back this up? Its a grand statement, and I wonder what your source is coming from on this one.
hmmmm...I wonder what it would be like for people HERE who are lower and middle class to have access to medical treatments, you know like the Euros.
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Ophelia
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
I really wish that all these people who advocate socialism would just move to Europe. if it's so grand, why do the rich Euros come HERE for medical treatment?
Socialized medicine will no longer attract the top talent. This whole concept scares the crap out of me.
You want your Gov’t to own you? move
 
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Ophelia
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
my answer.
I do think he is working his asss off. it's very hard to say in the muck of it if he is doing the right thing.
all of the pork in the stimulus bill (and may I remind you ALL that only 5 senators did NOT push for pork in that bill, both republican and democrat) I guess he saw as a necessary evil.
some bussiness are starting to pay back their loans and making profit (Goldman Sachs comes to mind) so perhaps we will see some recoup for the money we've sent out.
our country is hemorrhaging. I am unsure which wounds over the years is causing the most damage.
the war in Iraq financially was/is expensive but is just a blip on the radar.
social security, health care, global warming, lack of jobs.
the housing crisis issue falls squarely on OUR shoulders. WE, the people. WE DID THAT. I blame no president.
just b/c the cookies are baked does not mean you should eat them all. it certainly doesn't mean you blame the chef for your heart attack either.
we the people have to realize that this is our country. and we can sit back and argue about which blood type to tranfuse while the country bleeds to death...or we can realize that like it or not, some painful stuff has to be done.
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Beth
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
I was watching a Kennedy documentary this weekend
"ask not what your country can do for you- but what you can do for your country"
it's been a while since the government has asked us to do anything like they did back when americans were willing to sacrafice for the good of the country
I blame that attitude more then I blame any past president
as for Obama- I don't envy him- but I think he is trying- and I think 6 months is too soon to tell -
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I think he is doing a deplorable job and I am VERY dissatisfied. I don't think he has kept a single promise, his tax and spend liberal ideals are just going to sink this country more and he is killing the middle class. I understand he inherited a recession and of course you don't expect miracles, but since he took office, he has done a TON of damage in 6 months. For example, foreclosures and unemployment are through the roof and the banks which Obama stimulated are reporting 3 billion dollar earnings...hmm.
And the healthcare agenda and cap and trade? Who is going to pay for it? Let me think-the middle class! What scares me about healthcare, especially universal healthcare is that it is so expensive and people don't get the care they should. You have a cold-great. But you have cancer-you are in trouble! I watched a woman in Canada speak about how the Candian government wouldn't even put her on a list for back surgery (she was in terrible pain, crippled and suffering from incontinence) because SHE DIDN'T SUFFER LONG ENOUGH!
And this to me has NOTHING to do with race-I know nobody here said that but I know in speaking to people IRL, some people like to tell me that. I could care less if he was purple with green spots. I want a fiscally sound country and a country that guarantees the liberties that our founding fathers fought for. If I wanted socialism, I would have moved to a socialist nation!
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Posted by dottiemchugh
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Disapprove.
I really don't care what happened before his term began (which he'll use as his never-ending excuse foreverrrr), the choices he has made since he took office are atrocious. That ridiculous "stimulus" package filled to the brim with pork was out and out absurd. He was the main push for that bill to go through. Everything else aside, I just can't believe he even did that - forget trying to approve of his actions. I'm just in shock. I try not to think about it - that helps.
Don't even get me started on healthcare.
Completely agree. I didn't vote for him, and after he was elected, I wanted to really "believe" in him, but alas, I don't. Not after what he has done so far.
Agreed! I never want a President to fail. But this is ridiculous. Every president has their challenges. But it comes down to how they handle it. When does spending money you don't have-and not just a little, but tons, add up to prosperity?
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