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pinkandblue
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
I voted for Obama and I support Obama....he is 100 times better than the alternative, IMHO
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belladi
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by MrsMcCannEst42409
Posted by belladi
You are employed, right are you eligible for any help for healthcare insurance? Are you able to pay for cobra on employment or are you simply without insurance?
What'd the point of this question?
My point is this. The govt is so concerned with A new healthcare plan, but we have one etc family health plus, child health plus etc. They dont allow many people to access this plan beacuse of the strict restrictions or because the govt doesnt publicize them... And people arent aware.
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Sassyz75
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by racheeeee
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by racheeeee
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
I really wish that all these people who advocate socialism would just move to Europe. if it's so grand, why do the rich Euros come HERE for medical treatment?
Just wondering, can you show me some statistical evidence to back this up? Its a grand statement, and I wonder what your source is coming from on this one.
every now and then, I read about some VIP who just left the US after being treated or having had a major procedure done in a NY hospital - usually Mt. Saini. last one I read about was some Saudi royal, so it extends beyond Europe.
those who can afford it, will not go to some socialized clinic or triage like they have in Canada.
my parents were FAR from wealthy and when we lived in Israel, they paid for private care b/c the socialized plan was horrible! my mother had the worst doctor ever when she gave birth to my sister. so right after that experience, they decided they were going to pay out of pocket for something better, even though money was tight to begin with.
Healthcare in the US is definitely not working for a lot of people, and something does need to be done. but God help us if our taxes are 50% of our income so that we can pay for everyone else – especially those deadbeats living off the system.
The thing I find the saddest is that deadbeats or not, the idea that people aren't willing to help their fellow man. People in many other countries believe that healthcare is a basic human right, not a privelege. I for one am happy that I am fortunate enough to be in a position to contribute to the well being of everyone, not just myself and my family. I take great pride in giving my contribution to the NHS. And yes, people abuse the system, that unavoidable.
I think that you saying every once in a while I hear a story isn't really looking at the big picture of people who have healthcare through their government and are success stories, there aren't many happy stories about people being treated well in the newspapers, it just doesn't sell like horror stories do, so you aren't go to hear about the millions of people who are cured of diseases, etc etc...
I completely agree with this- I think if we get to a point where people, no matter what their income level is, don't have to worry about health care (and not just the emergency care they can get now) we'll be in a better place. Healthier people earn more, healthier people can work harder, healthier people will be better able to provide for themselves. Even middle class people- if they have affordable insurance, those monies they spend can go elsewhere- and that would be good for our economy.
I think, as a country, we are only as strong as our weakest link- and we can't really, honestly think that the people in a bad way are there solely for their own faults.
I think there's a lot of talk about small government, and while on paper that's great- look at the depression before any of the FDR policies and think of where we'd be without unemployment insurance, social security, medicaid... even those who had money put away, after the stock market tank- where would they be without social security or medicaid/medicare? I know my grandparents would be homeless.. And yes, while a lot of these programs are "broken" or "abused" it's better to have something than nothing- and I think sorting our way through health care is a great first step.
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by mommy2Alex
Oh yeah, Obama is a fighter, he basically quit the Senate to run for President. He used getting elected to the Senate as a stepping stone to the Presidency. I don't think he did much for the people of Illionis as their Senator. 
I see nothing wrong with leaving the Senate to become President- had McCain won, he would have left his Senate seat and Palin would have left the governorship. Obama had a 72% approval rating as US Senator and was reelected to the state senate a few times. I don't see that as dissatisfaction among most of the people of that state.
If Palin quit to leave politics, fine. But if she quit and wants to run again in 2012, well, I'll have a good laugh over that. She criticized Obama's lack of exectutive experience but she quit the ideal job for getting executive experience.
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annoyedTTCer
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by Beth
I guess you don't get the meaning of the quote- no surprise there....
the reason this country was great in the past is b/c people came together in times of war and trouble to make things happen
now everyone is out for themselves - which is how we got where we are today.....
everyone wants the country fixed overnight- but it took at least 25-30 years to get to this point
we are going to need to change our attitudes in order to have lasting change
I understand the quote just fine thank you. Certainly don't need some like you to explain anything to me.
Tell me miss know it all, back then did 40% of Americans pay NOTHING in income tax?
Did some of those same 40% then go on to collect a payout from the IRS in the form of feel good crapola like the EIC? Thus making them a double burden on taxpayers?
Did you know that Obama's plan could leave us with a situation in that 60% of Americans pay nothing in taxes?
Can you comprehend the implications of a voting public in which 60% are paying for the administration they support?
Want to change an attitue? let's change the one that the government owes you something because we can't afford all these programs.
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| Posted 7/21/09 9:41 AM |
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BriBri2u
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by Beth
I guess you don't get the meaning of the quote- no surprise there....
the reason this country was great in the past is b/c people came together in times of war and trouble to make things happen
now everyone is out for themselves - which is how we got where we are today.....
everyone wants the country fixed overnight- but it took at least 25-30 years to get to this point
we are going to need to change our attitudes in order to have lasting change
I understand the quote just fine thank you. Certainly don't need some like you to explain anything to me.
Tell me miss know it all, back then did 40% of Americans pay NOTHING in income tax?
Did some of those same 40% then go on to collect a payout from the IRS in the form of feel good crapola like the EIC? Thus making them a double burden on taxpayers?
Did you know that Obama's plan could leave us with a situation in that 60% of Americans pay nothing in taxes?
Can you comprehend the implications of a voting public in which 60% are paying for the administration they support?
Want to change an attitue? let's change the one that the government owes you something because we can't afford all these programs.
ummm...why don't you check your attitude while you're at it
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by racheeeee
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by racheeeee
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
I really wish that all these people who advocate socialism would just move to Europe. if it's so grand, why do the rich Euros come HERE for medical treatment?
Just wondering, can you show me some statistical evidence to back this up? Its a grand statement, and I wonder what your source is coming from on this one.
every now and then, I read about some VIP who just left the US after being treated or having had a major procedure done in a NY hospital - usually Mt. Saini. last one I read about was some Saudi royal, so it extends beyond Europe.
those who can afford it, will not go to some socialized clinic or triage like they have in Canada.
my parents were FAR from wealthy and when we lived in Israel, they paid for private care b/c the socialized plan was horrible! my mother had the worst doctor ever when she gave birth to my sister. so right after that experience, they decided they were going to pay out of pocket for something better, even though money was tight to begin with.
Healthcare in the US is definitely not working for a lot of people, and something does need to be done. but God help us if our taxes are 50% of our income so that we can pay for everyone else – especially those deadbeats living off the system.
The thing I find the saddest is that deadbeats or not, the idea that people aren't willing to help their fellow man.
I have a problem helping people who dont want to help themselves. There are a lot of deadbeats in this country who have had a free ride for too long, IMO.
Everyone talks about the ideals our country was built on...helping our fellow citizens, joining together...what about the ideal of having to actually work to earn certain privelages and rights. Some people dont want to work for anything these days...they just want hand-outs.
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mrsej
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
I think the government should look at the waste and corruption with government subsidized health care - look at Medicaid - a man was just arrested for grand larceny for "stealing" 47 million dollars from Medicaid. There are tons of stories like that - last year 20 people were arrested for stealing 25 million from Medicaid - there are no checks and balances. If only 20 people stole that much, imagine how much is going on that noone knows about. That is what scares me with a government health care program - there will be such waste and corruption. Government run industries are always run horribly.
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belladi
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by mrsej
I think the government should look at the waste and corruption with government subsidized health care - look at Medicaid - a man was just arrested for grand larceny for "stealing" 47 million dollars from Medicaid. There are tons of stories like that - last year 20 people were arrested for stealing 25 million from Medicaid - there are no checks and balances. If only 20 people stole that much, imagine how much is going on that noone knows about. That is what scares me with a government health care program - there will be such waste and corruption. Government run industries are always run horribly.
I agree, Im in the employee benefits industry and our MEMBERS have full medical coverage provided to them at NO COST in premiums from them. But many of them are eligible for medicaid. They lie to Medicaid and dont use our plan beacuse they want to go to hospital clinics cause its easier and they dont want to pay co-pays. On any given day the Medicaid office will contact us telling us to remove them from private insurance.... WHICH IS NOT CORRECT.. They must utilize their private insurance first, Medicaid is last recourse.. SO OBAMA AND CURRENT ADMINISTRATION NEED TO LOOK AT THIS>>> the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is there.. THEY DONT NEED TO TAX US OR CREATE A NEW PLAN.. All its doing is putting a bandaid on.....
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DandN
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
I wanted Hillary.
But I voted for Obama and 6 months in, I'd give him a C grade right now. The challenges facing him (or McCain, had he won) are enormous and while many people aren't in favor of his stimulous plan, I want to reserve judgment until he's been in office a little longer.
I like a number of his appointments, specifically Sec of State, and Sec of Veterans Affairs. I'm not a big fan of Tim Geithner.
I think Daschle would have been the best Sec of Health and Human Services - mostly because he knows how to get a bill through Congress. But that idiot messed up his own nomination with his mangled finances and we lost out.
I think Sotomayor is a good Supreme Court pick. I dont agree with her ruling (along with 2 other judges) about the Affirmative Action case with the Fire Dept, but after reviewing her record - both republicans and democrats have largely conceded that she does not legislate from the bench - the Firefighters case is more exception than the rule. She actually has sided more with conservatives on Affirmative Actions cases than liberals.
So I have my concerns, but I'm still supporting him.
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| Posted 7/21/09 10:26 AM |
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Ophelia
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by racheeeee
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
I really wish that all these people who advocate socialism would just move to Europe. if it's so grand, why do the rich Euros come HERE for medical treatment?
Just wondering, can you show me some statistical evidence to back this up? Its a grand statement, and I wonder what your source is coming from on this one.
every now and then, I read about some VIP who just left the US after being treated or having had a major procedure done in a NY hospital - usually Mt. Saini. last one I read about was some Saudi royal, so it extends beyond Europe.
those who can afford it, will not go to some socialized clinic or triage like they have in Canada.
my parents were FAR from wealthy and when we lived in Israel, they paid for private care b/c the socialized plan was horrible! my mother had the worst doctor ever when she gave birth to my sister. so right after that experience, they decided they were going to pay out of pocket for something better, even though money was tight to begin with.
Healthcare in the US is definitely not working for a lot of people, and something does need to be done. but God help us if our taxes are 50% of our income so that we can pay for everyone else – especially those deadbeats living off the system.
I don't know why you said it extends "beyond" Europe. none of the examples you cited actually INCLUDE Europe.
RICH people can go and do whatever they want.
Steve Jobs received a liver transplant in ANOTHER state, thousands of miles from his home state, b/c he could get a liver there FASTER. and he had the money and the wherewithall to get to where there was a liver.
THAT is where having money helps you. it's not the medicine. it's finding what you need where they have it the fastest and getting there.
it happens across STATE borders as well as country lines.
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Ophelia
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by Sassyz75
As far as I knew- and maybe I'm missing something, the Republican's "answer" to the health plan question was pretty much a 5 page document.
All I really saw was a reform of Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program. The plan has no mandate that employers offer insurance or that individuals purchase it (not sure I agree with the later but definitely the former).
Found this quote on a blog- and found it pretty interesting- Republicans have us all riled up that government will be making medical decisions for us- but don't we already have medical decisions made for us- the insurance companies? Don't THEY decide who we can see and when? What is covered and what isn't? What the limits and terms are?
"My health care is already rationed by a clerk at BIG INSURANCE whose bonuses are predicated on improving profits, not care. Frankly, I'm more scared of BIG INSURANCE than I am of a government regulated system mandated with improving health care and overseen by elected officials I can vote out of office."
THANK YOU.
HEALTH CARE IS ALREADY SOCIALIZED.
I hope you all understand that.
every "plan" you are in is it's only little socialized entity. we ALL put in with our premiums and they pay it out as each claim comes in.
the insurer decides what is medically necessary (read: what they are willing to pay out for) and you have to navigate within THEIR rules and what the plan tells you is and is not covered.
the idea that we have a different system right now is laughable. it may be painted with the letters GHI, HIP and some may have a Blue Cross on them, but underneath it all, it's still a tiger with the same stripes.
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| Posted 7/21/09 11:11 AM |
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Blu-ize
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by belladi
Posted by mrsej
I think the government should look at the waste and corruption with government subsidized health care - look at Medicaid - a man was just arrested for grand larceny for "stealing" 47 million dollars from Medicaid. There are tons of stories like that - last year 20 people were arrested for stealing 25 million from Medicaid - there are no checks and balances. If only 20 people stole that much, imagine how much is going on that noone knows about. That is what scares me with a government health care program - there will be such waste and corruption. Government run industries are always run horribly.
I agree, Im in the employee benefits industry and our MEMBERS have full medical coverage provided to them at NO COST in premiums from them. But many of them are eligible for medicaid. They lie to Medicaid and dont use our plan beacuse they want to go to hospital clinics cause its easier and they dont want to pay co-pays. On any given day the Medicaid office will contact us telling us to remove them from private insurance.... WHICH IS NOT CORRECT.. They must utilize their private insurance first, Medicaid is last recourse.. SO OBAMA AND CURRENT ADMINISTRATION NEED TO LOOK AT THIS>>> the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is there.. THEY DONT NEED TO TAX US OR CREATE A NEW PLAN.. All its doing is putting a bandaid on.....
A simple switch of the primary carrier would take care of this issue. That's a legislative change and the health insurance companies would have to agree to it. Then the insurance companies would agree and charge the rest of us higher premiums. catch 22.
My brother is on medicaid and has fabulous private insurance. Medicaid is primary but in the end some of his stuff is not covered and his private plan picks it up. There are things medicaid does not pay for. Some drugs are not covered like the one he was just put on. He pays a premium every month for his private insurance. He is disabled and on a medicaid waiver only for TBI services but since it's a wide net, medicaid pays first for everything. That could definitely be changed and it wouldn't be a hardship to him. He can afford the $18 co-pay but medicaid is primary. He also qualifies for medicare but has no need so he didn't sign up for it. That also costs $90 per month so it's not free. People think medicare is free. The Part D prescription benefit is another $50 or so a month so that's not free either.
I hope that the healthcare legislation fixes some of this. I'm hopeful that when it's passed things like this will be fixed. I have written letters and my father is an advocate for the TBI medicaid waiver and has great suggestions to help fix the program while maintaining that the folks who need it get it. Go dad! He will be making a trip to Albany.
Point is, we need to advocate for what we believe it. Write the letters and get your voice heard. You don't like something, call your elected officials and take an active role.
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twiceasnice
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Sassyz75
As far as I knew- and maybe I'm missing something, the Republican's "answer" to the health plan question was pretty much a 5 page document.
All I really saw was a reform of Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program. The plan has no mandate that employers offer insurance or that individuals purchase it (not sure I agree with the later but definitely the former).
Found this quote on a blog- and found it pretty interesting- Republicans have us all riled up that government will be making medical decisions for us- but don't we already have medical decisions made for us- the insurance companies? Don't THEY decide who we can see and when? What is covered and what isn't? What the limits and terms are?
"My health care is already rationed by a clerk at BIG INSURANCE whose bonuses are predicated on improving profits, not care. Frankly, I'm more scared of BIG INSURANCE than I am of a government regulated system mandated with improving health care and overseen by elected officials I can vote out of office."
THANK YOU.
HEALTH CARE IS ALREADY SOCIALIZED.
I hope you all understand that.
every "plan" you are in is it's only little socialized entity. we ALL put in with our premiums and they pay it out as each claim comes in.
the insurer decides what is medically necessary (read: what they are willing to pay out for) and you have to navigate within THEIR rules and what the plan tells you is and is not covered.
the idea that we have a different system right now is laughable. it may be painted with the letters GHI, HIP and some may have a Blue Cross on them, but underneath it all, it's still a tiger with the same stripes.
BUT...
We all still have a Choice.
We can be employed and choose not to take the healthcare, choose between different carriers or choose a seperate plan (whether employed or not).
The new plan takes that choice away. People will be penalized for not taking insurance, companies will be penalized for not offering insurance, individuals will not be able to buy private plans etc.
Taking our choices away and mandating our coverage is just adding to the already "socialized" healthcare.
It is not the same and healthcare coverage won't be the same with this plan.
Message edited 7/21/2009 11:27:34 AM.
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Ophelia
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by twiceasnice
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Sassyz75
As far as I knew- and maybe I'm missing something, the Republican's "answer" to the health plan question was pretty much a 5 page document.
All I really saw was a reform of Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program. The plan has no mandate that employers offer insurance or that individuals purchase it (not sure I agree with the later but definitely the former).
Found this quote on a blog- and found it pretty interesting- Republicans have us all riled up that government will be making medical decisions for us- but don't we already have medical decisions made for us- the insurance companies? Don't THEY decide who we can see and when? What is covered and what isn't? What the limits and terms are?
"My health care is already rationed by a clerk at BIG INSURANCE whose bonuses are predicated on improving profits, not care. Frankly, I'm more scared of BIG INSURANCE than I am of a government regulated system mandated with improving health care and overseen by elected officials I can vote out of office."
THANK YOU.
HEALTH CARE IS ALREADY SOCIALIZED.
I hope you all understand that.
every "plan" you are in is it's only little socialized entity. we ALL put in with our premiums and they pay it out as each claim comes in.
the insurer decides what is medically necessary (read: what they are willing to pay out for) and you have to navigate within THEIR rules and what the plan tells you is and is not covered.
the idea that we have a different system right now is laughable. it may be painted with the letters GHI, HIP and some may have a Blue Cross on them, but underneath it all, it's still a tiger with the same stripes.
BUT...
We all still have a Choice.
We can be employed and choose not to take the healthcare, choose between different carriers or choose a seperate plan (whether employed or not).
The new plan takes that choice away. People will be penalized for not taking insurance, companies will be penalized for not offering insurance, individuals will not be able to buy private plans etc.
Taking our choices away and mandating our coverage is just adding to the already "socialized" healthcare.
It is not the same and healthcare coverage won't be the same with this plan.
I don't think I follow the understanding of Obama's plan then.
how does the new plan take choice away?
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by Beaver2be
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by Beth
I guess you don't get the meaning of the quote- no surprise there....
the reason this country was great in the past is b/c people came together in times of war and trouble to make things happen
now everyone is out for themselves - which is how we got where we are today.....
everyone wants the country fixed overnight- but it took at least 25-30 years to get to this point
we are going to need to change our attitudes in order to have lasting change
I understand the quote just fine thank you. Certainly don't need some like you to explain anything to me.
Tell me miss know it all, back then did 40% of Americans pay NOTHING in income tax?
Did some of those same 40% then go on to collect a payout from the IRS in the form of feel good crapola like the EIC? Thus making them a double burden on taxpayers?
Did you know that Obama's plan could leave us with a situation in that 60% of Americans pay nothing in taxes?
Can you comprehend the implications of a voting public in which 60% are paying for the administration they support?
Want to change an attitue? let's change the one that the government owes you something because we can't afford all these programs.
ummm...why don't you check your attitude while you're at it
she can't... she's perpetually 'annoyed' 
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| Posted 7/21/09 11:37 AM |
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twiceasnice
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by twiceasnice
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Sassyz75
As far as I knew- and maybe I'm missing something, the Republican's "answer" to the health plan question was pretty much a 5 page document.
All I really saw was a reform of Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program. The plan has no mandate that employers offer insurance or that individuals purchase it (not sure I agree with the later but definitely the former).
Found this quote on a blog- and found it pretty interesting- Republicans have us all riled up that government will be making medical decisions for us- but don't we already have medical decisions made for us- the insurance companies? Don't THEY decide who we can see and when? What is covered and what isn't? What the limits and terms are?
"My health care is already rationed by a clerk at BIG INSURANCE whose bonuses are predicated on improving profits, not care. Frankly, I'm more scared of BIG INSURANCE than I am of a government regulated system mandated with improving health care and overseen by elected officials I can vote out of office."
THANK YOU.
HEALTH CARE IS ALREADY SOCIALIZED.
I hope you all understand that.
every "plan" you are in is it's only little socialized entity. we ALL put in with our premiums and they pay it out as each claim comes in.
the insurer decides what is medically necessary (read: what they are willing to pay out for) and you have to navigate within THEIR rules and what the plan tells you is and is not covered.
the idea that we have a different system right now is laughable. it may be painted with the letters GHI, HIP and some may have a Blue Cross on them, but underneath it all, it's still a tiger with the same stripes.
BUT...
We all still have a Choice.
We can be employed and choose not to take the healthcare, choose between different carriers or choose a seperate plan (whether employed or not).
The new plan takes that choice away. People will be penalized for not taking insurance, companies will be penalized for not offering insurance, individuals will not be able to buy private plans etc.
Taking our choices away and mandating our coverage is just adding to the already "socialized" healthcare.
It is not the same and healthcare coverage won't be the same with this plan.
I don't think I follow the understanding of Obama's plan then.
how does the new plan take choice away?
The new plan (when it takes effect) will seem to be the same for anyone currently covered (for a little while). But those private plans will not be allowed to be changed after that date and if one was to leave their job they would not be allowed to take private care (thus eliminating private care over the long run). That doesn't sound fair.
This is why this is all so crazy. The bill has lots of "fine print" and the cost of the the bill is talked about more but no one is talking about whats in the bill.
Medicare coverage won't be the same it will be less. The elderly have their own section because certains disease (like osteoporsis) that the elderly are prone to won't be covered the same because they are expected. What??
I have tried to read it but I really hope D.C. really reads it.
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Ophelia
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by twiceasnice
I have tried to read it but I really hope D.C. really reads it.
would you mind linking me? I've been searching online but I can't find jack. thanks.
ETA: I do want to add that I too hope they do READ the damned thing.
I also agree the deadline for getting something accomplished is a bit quick, but not sure if it's just to light a fire under Congress asss in general, or if it's b/c they feel under the gun about votes.
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belladi
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by Blu-ize
Posted by belladi
Posted by mrsej
I think the government should look at the waste and corruption with government subsidized health care - look at Medicaid - a man was just arrested for grand larceny for "stealing" 47 million dollars from Medicaid. There are tons of stories like that - last year 20 people were arrested for stealing 25 million from Medicaid - there are no checks and balances. If only 20 people stole that much, imagine how much is going on that noone knows about. That is what scares me with a government health care program - there will be such waste and corruption. Government run industries are always run horribly.
I agree, Im in the employee benefits industry and our MEMBERS have full medical coverage provided to them at NO COST in premiums from them. But many of them are eligible for medicaid. They lie to Medicaid and dont use our plan beacuse they want to go to hospital clinics cause its easier and they dont want to pay co-pays. On any given day the Medicaid office will contact us telling us to remove them from private insurance.... WHICH IS NOT CORRECT.. They must utilize their private insurance first, Medicaid is last recourse.. SO OBAMA AND CURRENT ADMINISTRATION NEED TO LOOK AT THIS>>> the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is there.. THEY DONT NEED TO TAX US OR CREATE A NEW PLAN.. All its doing is putting a bandaid on.....
A simple switch of the primary carrier would take care of this issue. That's a legislative change and the health insurance companies would have to agree to it. Then the insurance companies would agree and charge the rest of us higher premiums. catch 22.
My brother is on medicaid and has fabulous private insurance. Medicaid is primary but in the end some of his stuff is not covered and his private plan picks it up. There are things medicaid does not pay for. Some drugs are not covered like the one he was just put on. He pays a premium every month for his private insurance. He is disabled and on a medicaid waiver only for TBI services but since it's a wide net, medicaid pays first for everything. That could definitely be changed and it wouldn't be a hardship to him. He can afford the $18 co-pay but medicaid is primary. He also qualifies for medicare but has no need so he didn't sign up for it. That also costs $90 per month so it's not free. People think medicare is free. The Part D prescription benefit is another $50 or so a month so that's not free either.
I hope that the healthcare legislation fixes some of this. I'm hopeful that when it's passed things like this will be fixed. I have written letters and my father is an advocate for the TBI medicaid waiver and has great suggestions to help fix the program while maintaining that the folks who need it get it. Go dad! He will be making a trip to Albany.
Point is, we need to advocate for what we believe it. Write the letters and get your voice heard. You don't like something, call your elected officials and take an active role.
Being disabled and having a job which are members do have are 2 different things.... Our members have private insurance at NO COST to them.... Medicaid never checks.. I dont know how.. I hve spoken to medicaid representative and they have advised us that private insurance is the primary carrier for our members, medicaid would act as secondary to help with co-pays if they meet the salary requirements... Thats the problem the rules are so broken, if they cant figure out the medicaid mess how in gods name can they create a WHOLE new program with more broken rules... I dont want to pay twice
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| Posted 7/21/09 11:50 AM |
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Ophelia
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by belladi
Being disabled and having a job which are members do have are 2 different things.... Our members have private insurance at NO COST to them.... Medicaid never checks.. I dont know how.. I hve spoken to medicaid representative and they have advised us that private insurance is the primary carrier for our members, medicaid would act as secondary to help with co-pays if they meet the salary requirements... Thats the problem the rules are so broken, if they cant figure out the medicaid mess how in gods name can they create a WHOLE new program with more broken rules... I dont want to pay twice
I just want to point out that MediCAID is a mostly state-run, state-funded program. it is PARTIALLY funded by the Fed, but is mostly in individual states control.
MediCARE is a federally funded medical insurance program.
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| Posted 7/21/09 11:54 AM |
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belladi
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by twiceasnice
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Posted by Sassyz75
As far as I knew- and maybe I'm missing something, the Republican's "answer" to the health plan question was pretty much a 5 page document.
All I really saw was a reform of Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program. The plan has no mandate that employers offer insurance or that individuals purchase it (not sure I agree with the later but definitely the former).
Found this quote on a blog- and found it pretty interesting- Republicans have us all riled up that government will be making medical decisions for us- but don't we already have medical decisions made for us- the insurance companies? Don't THEY decide who we can see and when? What is covered and what isn't? What the limits and terms are?
"My health care is already rationed by a clerk at BIG INSURANCE whose bonuses are predicated on improving profits, not care. Frankly, I'm more scared of BIG INSURANCE than I am of a government regulated system mandated with improving health care and overseen by elected officials I can vote out of office."
THANK YOU.
HEALTH CARE IS ALREADY SOCIALIZED.
I hope you all understand that.
every "plan" you are in is it's only little socialized entity. we ALL put in with our premiums and they pay it out as each claim comes in.
the insurer decides what is medically necessary (read: what they are willing to pay out for) and you have to navigate within THEIR rules and what the plan tells you is and is not covered.
the idea that we have a different system right now is laughable. it may be painted with the letters GHI, HIP and some may have a Blue Cross on them, but underneath it all, it's still a tiger with the same stripes.
BUT...
We all still have a Choice.
We can be employed and choose not to take the healthcare, choose between different carriers or choose a seperate plan (whether employed or not).
The new plan takes that choice away. People will be penalized for not taking insurance, companies will be penalized for not offering insurance, individuals will not be able to buy private plans etc.
Taking our choices away and mandating our coverage is just adding to the already "socialized" healthcare.
It is not the same and healthcare coverage won't be the same with this plan.
I don't think I follow the understanding of Obama's plan then.
how does the new plan take choice away?
The new plan (when it takes effect) will seem to be the same for anyone currently covered (for a little while). But those private plans will not be allowed to be changed after that date and if one was to leave their job they would not be allowed to take private care (thus eliminating private care over the long run). That doesn't sound fair.
This is why this is all so crazy. The bill has lots of "fine print" and the cost of the the bill is talked about more but no one is talking about whats in the bill.
Medicare coverage won't be the same it will be less. The elderly have their own section because certains disease (like osteoporsis) that the elderly are prone to won't be covered the same because they are expected. What??
I have tried to read it but I really hope D.C. really reads it.
I agree we DONT KNOW WHATS IN THE BILL.. and who knows what this insurance plan will actuall cover...... Thats the scary part. So why should people have to pay for something when they arent given a choice about their plan coverages... Thts where its scary... You chose healthcare coverage based on plan criteria, same as with auto insurance and home insurance...
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| Posted 7/21/09 11:57 AM |
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twiceasnice
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
This is the Congress website link, which is a pain to read but it is there:
Congress Bill 3200
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| Posted 7/21/09 12:06 PM |
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belladi
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by belladi
Being disabled and having a job which are members do have are 2 different things.... Our members have private insurance at NO COST to them.... Medicaid never checks.. I dont know how.. I hve spoken to medicaid representative and they have advised us that private insurance is the primary carrier for our members, medicaid would act as secondary to help with co-pays if they meet the salary requirements... Thats the problem the rules are so broken, if they cant figure out the medicaid mess how in gods name can they create a WHOLE new program with more broken rules... I dont want to pay twice
I just want to point out that MediCAID is a mostly state-run, state-funded program. it is PARTIALLY funded by the Fed, but is mostly in individual states control.
MediCARE is a federally funded medical insurance program.
We still pay for it in taxes is my point.. There is a way to expand on it.... No need to create a whole new nightmare....
Provides sliding scale affordability credits. The affordability credits will be available to low- and moderate- income individuals and families. The credits are most generous for those who are just above the proposed new Medicaid eligibility levels; the credits decline with income (and so premium and cost-sharing support is more limited as your income increases) and are completely phased out when income reaches 400 percent of the federal poverty level ($43,000 for an individual or $88,000 for a family of four). The affordability credits will not only make insurance premiums affordable, they will also reduce cost-sharing to levels that ensure access to care. The Exchange administers the affordability credits with other federal and state entities, such as local Social Security offices and state Medicaid agencies.
This is from that article.. DOES IT LOOK LIKE IT WILL HELP THE MIDDLE CLASS.. Im not arguing...
I dont want to USE A CLINIC
IV. PREVENTION AND WELLNESS Prevention and wellness measures of the bill include:
? Expansion of Community Health Centers;
? Prohibition of cost-sharing for preventive services;
? Creation of community-based programs to deliver prevention and wellness services;
? A focus on community-based programs and new data collection efforts to better identify and address racial, ethnic, regional and other health disparities;
? Funds to strengthen state, local, tribal and territorial public health departments and programs
AND WHAT IS EXACTLY COVERED UNDER THE PLAN
Message edited 7/21/2009 12:19:09 PM.
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| Posted 7/21/09 12:11 PM |
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Jenn627
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by annoyedTTCer
I understand the quote just fine thank you. Certainly don't need some like you to explain anything to me.
Tell me miss know it all,
You are such a rude and combative person. Your comments just blow my mind. I normally don't remember who says what - but first your comments about people whose parents pay for their education and now this. Are you this condescending in real life as well or just behind the monitor?
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| Posted 7/21/09 2:05 PM |
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kerrycec03
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Well, I'm wondering if people put unrealistic expectations on him, thinking he was going to do an abra cadabra and undo all of the previous mistakes that were made 
I think (JMO) people are expecting too much too fast. It's only been 6 mos and I know that my 401K is on the rise again, the advertising arena is growing, unemployment has flatlined (not increasing), healthcare issues are FINALLY being addressed. Not too shabby for 6 mos in office
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