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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by Beth
I was watching a Kennedy documentary this weekend
"ask not what your country can do for you- but what you can do for your country"
it's been a while since the government has asked us to do anything like they did back when americans were willing to sacrafice for the good of the country
I blame that attitude more then I blame any past president
as for Obama- I don't envy him- but I think he is trying- and I think 6 months is too soon to tell -
What you can do for your country?
Like give up 40% of my earnings because somebody in DC thinks they can spend my heard earned money better than I can?
So that 40% of my earnings can go to bailout Gaither's buddies on Wall Street?
No thank you
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Beth
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
I guess you don't get the meaning of the quote- no surprise there....
the reason this country was great in the past is b/c people came together in times of war and trouble to make things happen
now everyone is out for themselves - which is how we got where we are today.....
everyone wants the country fixed overnight- but it took at least 25-30 years to get to this point
we are going to need to change our attitudes in order to have lasting change
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Sassyz75
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
honestly- I don't think he's spent enough money on the stimulus- I think I read that it was France that has done a WAY better job of getting people back to work by government funded programs- working on museums, state projects, etc.. I feel that the money spent in the project (aka pork) really hasn't trickled down yet.
As for health insurance- SOMETHING has to be done- whether or not you are for or against socialized medicine the way it is today does NOT work- so basically to me, the nay-sayers just saying no it won't work and not giving a different suggestion doesn't fly- we will NOT be able to sustain just Medicare/Medicaid alone, let along the costs for the regular folk- for the amount of money we spend per person on health in this country for what the people get- it's appalling.
We have people getting tests that aren't necessary that are getting more care than they need that is statistically proven doesn't affect the outcome in a positive way- it's ridiculous. So something has to change.. will the Obama plan work? Who knows- but we can't just not try something and let our broken system go on.
I think people that have affordable employer-supported health insurance are SPOILED.. not only are they spoiled, they are eventually in for a RUDE awakening, b/c eventually the costs of the programs will be so high that employers will not be paying for them OR the employee portion will be so high it will be cost prohibitive.
This is already starting to happen- the typical plan for a family of four (and not a super great plan either) costs $1400/month. If $500-700 had to come out of the average low-to-middle class' pocket- could they afford that? And if not- what's their other alternative, the ER? What about preventitive care?
Re: Canada, I think on the whole most people get the care they need... do a few here and there fall through the cracks? maybe.... but I still think compared to our CURRENT system more people here fall through the cracks, go into bankruptcy, etc.. then there.
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by Sassyz75
honestly- I don't think he's spent enough money on the stimulus- I think I read that it was France that has done a WAY better job of getting people back to work by government funded programs- working on museums, state projects, etc.. I feel that the money spent in the project (aka pork) really hasn't trickled down yet.
As for health insurance- SOMETHING has to be done- whether or not you are for or against socialized medicine the way it is today does NOT work- so basically to me, the nay-sayers just saying no it won't work and not giving a different suggestion doesn't fly- we will NOT be able to sustain just Medicare/Medicaid alone, let along the costs for the regular folk- for the amount of money we spend per person on health in this country for what the people get- it's appalling.
We have people getting tests that aren't necessary that are getting more care than they need that is statistically proven doesn't affect the outcome in a positive way- it's ridiculous. So something has to change.. will the Obama plan work? Who knows- but we can't just not try something and let our broken system go on.
I think people that have affordable employer-supported health insurance are SPOILED.. not only are they spoiled, they are eventually in for a RUDE awakening, b/c eventually the costs of the programs will be so high that employers will not be paying for them OR the employee portion will be so high it will be cost prohibitive.
This is already starting to happen- the typical plan for a family of four (and not a super great plan either) costs $1400/month. If $500-700 had to come out of the average low-to-middle class' pocket- could they afford that? And if not- what's their other alternative, the ER? What about preventitive care?
Re: Canada, I think on the whole most people get the care they need... do a few here and there fall through the cracks? maybe.... but I still think compared to our CURRENT system more people here fall through the cracks, go into bankruptcy, etc.. then there.
 ITA. If people do not want socialized medicine, fine, but please offer another alternative and stop pontificating about this issue. This is what annoys me--when there is heavy criticism about a serious issue but no alternative offered.
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by cjik
ITA. If people do not want socialized medicine, fine, but please offer another alternative and stop pontificating about this issue. This is what annoys me--when there is heavy criticism about a serious issue but no alternative offered.
amen. its just more fun to boo and call people lazy.
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
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Posted by Sassyz75
honestly- I don't think he's spent enough money on the stimulus- I think I read that it was France that has done a WAY better job of getting people back to work by government funded programs- working on museums, state projects, etc.. I feel that the money spent in the project (aka pork) really hasn't trickled down yet.
As for health insurance- SOMETHING has to be done- whether or not you are for or against socialized medicine the way it is today does NOT work- so basically to me, the nay-sayers just saying no it won't work and not giving a different suggestion doesn't fly- we will NOT be able to sustain just Medicare/Medicaid alone, let along the costs for the regular folk- for the amount of money we spend per person on health in this country for what the people get- it's appalling.
We have people getting tests that aren't necessary that are getting more care than they need that is statistically proven doesn't affect the outcome in a positive way- it's ridiculous. So something has to change.. will the Obama plan work? Who knows- but we can't just not try something and let our broken system go on.
I think people that have affordable employer-supported health insurance are SPOILED.. not only are they spoiled, they are eventually in for a RUDE awakening, b/c eventually the costs of the programs will be so high that employers will not be paying for them OR the employee portion will be so high it will be cost prohibitive.
This is already starting to happen- the typical plan for a family of four (and not a super great plan either) costs $1400/month. If $500-700 had to come out of the average low-to-middle class' pocket- could they afford that? And if not- what's their other alternative, the ER? What about preventitive care?
Re: Canada, I think on the whole most people get the care they need... do a few here and there fall through the cracks? maybe.... but I still think compared to our CURRENT system more people here fall through the cracks, go into bankruptcy, etc.. then there.
ITA. If people do not want socialized medicine, fine, but please offer another alternative and stop pontificating about this issue. This is what annoys me--when there is heavy criticism about a serious issue but no alternative offered.
I just sigh when I hear this because it is offered. The Republicans came up with their health care plan before the Democrats did.
Do you think Nancy even cares about any other plan then what the democrats come up with? No she doesn't because they have said time and again that the don't need the Republican vote to pass this bill.
Now it is the Conservatve Democrats who are holding it up. Without them she won't have enough votes. Why don't they like the bill? Think about it. Hopefully they won't be strong armed by a time-line. Obama/Nancy don't want to risk losing the power they have right now because the upcoming elections WILL change their balance in Congress.
ETA: (sp) This is not about what is best for America. This is about politics.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
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I really wish that all these people who advocate socialism would just move to Europe. if it's so grand, why do the rich Euros come HERE for medical treatment?
Just wondering, can you show me some statistical evidence to back this up? Its a grand statement, and I wonder what your source is coming from on this one.
every now and then, I read about some VIP who just left the US after being treated or having had a major procedure done in a NY hospital - usually Mt. Saini. last one I read about was some Saudi royal, so it extends beyond Europe.
those who can afford it, will not go to some socialized clinic or triage like they have in Canada.
my parents were FAR from wealthy and when we lived in Israel, they paid for private care b/c the socialized plan was horrible! my mother had the worst doctor ever when she gave birth to my sister. so right after that experience, they decided they were going to pay out of pocket for something better, even though money was tight to begin with.
Healthcare in the US is definitely not working for a lot of people, and something does need to be done. but God help us if our taxes are 50% of our income so that we can pay for everyone else – especially those deadbeats living off the system.
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by stickydust
My biggest problem is that I feel that any legistlation that proposes to create such a great taxpayer burden for generations to come should be passed as a result of thoughtful deliberation and meaningful debate. I feel that the process is being rushed in favor of just getting something through (as was done with the stimulus). If you really want to change things for the better lets come up with a thoughtful plan that really works and lets not shut out different voices or opinions - I think collaboration amongst all sides is what really leads to good solutions.
exactly!
and the only reason Obama is rushing this is b/c he has a 'super majority' in the Senate now - but that may change in 2010.
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Do I approve.....NO, and I am upset I voted for him. It was close for me to the bitter end and now I am very upset with my decision because my vote helped make this mess. At this point I would/will not vote for him again....end of story
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by twiceasnice
Posted by cjik
Posted by Sassyz75
Do you think Nancy even cares about any other plan then what the democrats come up with? No she doesn't because they have said time and again that the don't need the Republican vote to pass this bill.
Now it is the Conservatve Democrats who are holding it up. Without them she won't have enough votes. Why don't they like the bill? Think about it. Hopefully they won't be strong armed by a time-line. Obama/Nancy don't want to risk losing the power they have right now because the upcoming elections WILL change their balance in Congress.
ETA: (sp) This is not about what is best for America. This is about politics.
ITA. Hopefully, the blue dogs will hold out. Obama and Nancy want this as rushed as possible so no one has the time to read the fine print and figure out we can't afford this particular bill at this time. It was the same as the stimulus package....it MUST be done now. Healthcare reform does not need to be passed in the next week or 2. It needs to be carefully thought out and have the best possible outcome for the American people.
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I do and always have DISAPPROVED of Barack Obama.
First of all, I would not and WILL not vote for someone who lacks the MUCH NEEDED experience to run the US Of A. It was MIND BOGGLING how this man won. "He is refreshing." "We need a change." and all the other BS slogans I kept hearing.
Now, because of those careless (IMHO) reasons to vote for a candidate, we are up sh*t's creek.
The man can not even put together a cabinet.
He is going to ROYALLY F up healthcare.
I am UNEMPLOYED because he cannot get his sh*t together and fix the problems.
Yes, GWB effed up the country based on his agenda (Iraq) and not following up on all the Clinton Administration bills. (The housing lending and banking prodedures.) Yes, I said it. Clinton is very much to blame as well.
So, we got a lot to clean up. This man is not going to be the one do it. He doesn't know what the F he is doing. And it shows. I knew this would happen. I spent MONTHS arguing with people about him.
I personally think he is FAR worse than Jimmy Carter.
And yes, someone who knows what they are doing can tackle problems immediately. Look how quickly Regan cleaned up Carter's mess.
That's my two cents. I will get flamed, I am sure but honestly, I don't care.
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Posted by MrsMcCannEst42409
I do and always have DISAPPROVED of Barack Obama.
First of all, I would not and WILL not vote for someone who lacks the MUCH NEEDED experience to run the US Of A. It was MIND BOGGLING how this man won. "He is refreshing." "We need a change." and all the other BS slogans I kept hearing.
Now, because of those careless (IMHO) reasons to vote for a candidate, we are up sh*t's creek.
The man can not even put together a cabinet.
He is going to ROYALLY F up healthcare.
I am UNEMPLOYED because he cannot get his sh*t together and fix the problems.
Yes, GWB effed up the country based on his agenda (Iraq) and not following up on all the Clinton Administration bills. (The housing lending and banking prodedures.) Yes, I said it. Clinton is very much to blame as well.
So, we got a lot to clean up. This man is not going to be the one do it. He doesn't know what the F he is doing. And it shows. I knew this would happen. I spent MONTHS arguing with people about him.
I personally think he is FAR worse than Jimmy Carter.
And yes, someone who knows what they are doing can tackle problems immediately. Look how quickly Regan cleaned up Carter's mess.
That's my two cents. I will get flamed, I am sure but honestly, I don't care.
Couldn't have said it better myself 
And to add-why are we in Afghanistan? Did we learn nothing from Vietnam-why do we need to spread democracy there and build their economy? All we are doing is placing our men and women at risk because the Taliban is so dangerous.
His spending is BS. I am in the worst position of my life financially as is DH. Jobs are getting harder to find and our economy is crashing. What else is this bozo going to do to ruin the very fabric of our nation?
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
I thought Afghanistan was where we should have been the entire time-A and B- Obama is not the reason for the difficult position this country is in. I'm  by these two posts.
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
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Well, I'm wondering if people put unrealistic expectations on him, thinking he was going to do an abra cadabra and undo all of the previous mistakes that were made 
Yeah I really feel like people were looking at him as some kind of god - who was going to wave a magic wand and cure the ills of the country overnight....
exactly
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Posted by juanvi
I thought Afghanistan was where we should have been the entire time-A and B- Obama is not the reason for the difficult position this country is in. I'm by these two posts.
If you look back and what I said in my previous post, you will see that I did say that Obama is NOT the reason we are in this mess BUT that he does NOT know what the hell he is doing to fix it. SO I don't know why my post would confuse you.
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Sassyz75
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
As far as I knew- and maybe I'm missing something, the Republican's "answer" to the health plan question was pretty much a 5 page document.
All I really saw was a reform of Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program. The plan has no mandate that employers offer insurance or that individuals purchase it (not sure I agree with the later but definitely the former).
Found this quote on a blog- and found it pretty interesting- Republicans have us all riled up that government will be making medical decisions for us- but don't we already have medical decisions made for us- the insurance companies? Don't THEY decide who we can see and when? What is covered and what isn't? What the limits and terms are?
"My health care is already rationed by a clerk at BIG INSURANCE whose bonuses are predicated on improving profits, not care. Frankly, I'm more scared of BIG INSURANCE than I am of a government regulated system mandated with improving health care and overseen by elected officials I can vote out of office."
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Peainapod
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
I do not want the government controlling my health care. I think really what needs to be overhauled is insurance companies..some sort of insurance reform/legislation. they are billion dollar operations and at a whim can deny coverage, drop coverage, charge insane premiums, copays etc.
There's so much fraud, frivolous lawsuits, high malpractice premiums that dr's cant even afford to practice...i think the government needs to step in and take a hard line in reforming how insurance operates.
Lots of people are responsible for the mess we're in..and we ourselves are partly to blame. We're a culture of instant gratification..spend spend spend what we dont have, live on credit, etc. Lots of pple took out adjustable mortgages with payments going up to something they could never afford. were there people who were victims of shady mortgage companies, absolutely. But this idea that we're owed something and I deserve to own a house when they clearly cant afford it is what got a lot of pple in trouble.
I didnt vote for Obama..i dont agree with his policies. and i sure dont envy the position he is in. Everyone was looking for a quick fix and thats really impossible.
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by munchkinfacemama
His spending is BS. I am in the worst position of my life financially as is DH. Jobs are getting harder to find and our economy is crashing. What else is this bozo going to do to ruin the very fabric of our nation?
riiiiiiiight.... b/c it's that's *bozo's* fault you & your DH can't find jobs...
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by MrsMcCannEst42409
I do and always have DISAPPROVED of Barack Obama.
First of all, I would not and WILL not vote for someone who lacks the MUCH NEEDED experience to run the US Of A. It was MIND BOGGLING how this man won. "He is refreshing." "We need a change." and all the other BS slogans I kept hearing.
Now, because of those careless (IMHO) reasons to vote for a candidate, we are up sh*t's creek.
The man can not even put together a cabinet.
He is going to ROYALLY F up healthcare.
I am UNEMPLOYED because he cannot get his sh*t together and fix the problems.
Yes, GWB effed up the country based on his agenda (Iraq) and not following up on all the Clinton Administration bills. (The housing lending and banking prodedures.) Yes, I said it. Clinton is very much to blame as well.
So, we got a lot to clean up. This man is not going to be the one do it. He doesn't know what the F he is doing. And it shows. I knew this would happen. I spent MONTHS arguing with people about him.
I personally think he is FAR worse than Jimmy Carter.
And yes, someone who knows what they are doing can tackle problems immediately. Look how quickly Regan cleaned up Carter's mess.
That's my two cents. I will get flamed, I am sure but honestly, I don't care.
You are employed, right are you eligible for any help for healthcare insurance? Are you able to pay for cobra on employment or are you simply without insurance?
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by Peainapod
I do not want the government controlling my health care. I think really what needs to be overhauled is insurance companies..some sort of insurance reform/legislation. they are billion dollar operations and at a whim can deny coverage, drop coverage, charge insane premiums, copays etc.
There's so much fraud, frivolous lawsuits, high malpractice premiums that dr's cant even afford to practice...i think the government needs to step in and take a hard line in reforming how insurance operates.
Lots of people are responsible for the mess we're in..and we ourselves are partly to blame. We're a culture of instant gratification..spend spend spend what we dont have, live on credit, etc. Lots of pple took out adjustable mortgages with payments going up to something they could never afford. were there people who were victims of shady mortgage companies, absolutely. But this idea that we're owed something and I deserve to own a house when they clearly cant afford it is what got a lot of pple in trouble.
I didnt vote for Obama..i dont agree with his policies. and i sure dont envy the position he is in. Everyone was looking for a quick fix and thats really impossible.
ITA.
I'm going to keep doing what I have been doing... HAVE FAITH....
(had it in '04 and was disappointed when Bush was re-elected. I *still* had faith in my country's decision)
One thing I will NEVER do, is pass blame... especially after only 6 months...
for some reason, I have more faith in Obama....
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Posted by munchkinfacemama
His spending is BS. I am in the worst position of my life financially as is DH. Jobs are getting harder to find and our economy is crashing. What else is this bozo going to do to ruin the very fabric of our nation?
riiiiiiiight.... b/c it's that's *bozo's* fault you & your DH can't find jobs...
No, that is absolutely NOT what I said. Perhaps I should have hit the enter button. I feel that he is ruining our nation because our country was established on the ideals of small government and less interference. He is a socialist and is trying to control every facet of our lives-it is a scary proposition. And his spending is absurd. Yes, you need to spend to make money, but 3 trillion in 6 months? Come on! We need to make money and create jobs, not spend!
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DiamondGirl
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
It took Bush 8 yrs to get us to where we are, it will take more then 6 months to see if Obama is effective. I am optimistic.
One thing I can say is that I am relieved that McCain/ Palin did not get elected.
Palin just QUIT in Alaska. QUIT.
At least we did not elect a quitter. I prefer a fighter like Obama 
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Posted by belladi
You are employed, right are you eligible for any help for healthcare insurance? Are you able to pay for cobra on employment or are you simply without insurance?
What'd the point of this question?
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
Posted by DiamondGirl
It took Bush 8 yrs to get us to where we are, it will take more then 6 months to see if Obama is effective. I am optimistic.
One thing I can say is that I am relieved that McCain/ Palin did not get elected.
Palin just QUIT in Alaska. QUIT.
At least we did not elect a quitter. I prefer a fighter like Obama
Oh yeah, Obama is a fighter, he basically quit the Senate to run for President. He used getting elected to the Senate as a stepping stone to the Presidency. I don't think he did much for the people of Illionis as their Senator. 
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Re: Do you approve of Obama's Job thus far
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Posted by racheeeee
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
I really wish that all these people who advocate socialism would just move to Europe. if it's so grand, why do the rich Euros come HERE for medical treatment?
Just wondering, can you show me some statistical evidence to back this up? Its a grand statement, and I wonder what your source is coming from on this one.
every now and then, I read about some VIP who just left the US after being treated or having had a major procedure done in a NY hospital - usually Mt. Saini. last one I read about was some Saudi royal, so it extends beyond Europe.
those who can afford it, will not go to some socialized clinic or triage like they have in Canada.
my parents were FAR from wealthy and when we lived in Israel, they paid for private care b/c the socialized plan was horrible! my mother had the worst doctor ever when she gave birth to my sister. so right after that experience, they decided they were going to pay out of pocket for something better, even though money was tight to begin with.
Healthcare in the US is definitely not working for a lot of people, and something does need to be done. but God help us if our taxes are 50% of our income so that we can pay for everyone else – especially those deadbeats living off the system.
The thing I find the saddest is that deadbeats or not, the idea that people aren't willing to help their fellow man. People in many other countries believe that healthcare is a basic human right, not a privelege. I for one am happy that I am fortunate enough to be in a position to contribute to the well being of everyone, not just myself and my family. I take great pride in giving my contribution to the NHS. And yes, people abuse the system, that unavoidable.
I think that you saying every once in a while I hear a story isn't really looking at the big picture of people who have healthcare through their government and are success stories, there aren't many happy stories about people being treated well in the newspapers, it just doesn't sell like horror stories do, so you aren't go to hear about the millions of people who are cured of diseases, etc etc...
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