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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
I opened this thread HOPING you all would say "yes"...just to put my fears a little to rest.
My DH was in Tower 2 on 9/11/01.
Barely made it out alive.
I have had a pit in my stomach for 7 years, everytime he leaves the house to go to work.
He works a few blocks from Ground Zero now.
And he is an accountant, not exactly a job I should fear that my DH might be hurt or worse.
I don't think I'll ever feel we are safe....ever again. 
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
No, I think that we are even more vulnerable than we were prior to 9/11.
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I'm not in fear of anything. I can't and don't live my life in fear. I don't feel any more OR less safe than I did 7 years ago. I live and work in the city, as a matter of fact I moved to the city shortly after 9/11, with no apprehension or fear for my safety. I ride the subway every day to and from work without a second thought (except when it starts to pour outside and the trains get all backed up, then I curse them  ). But I work right across the street from Grounds Zero. Right now I am looking out my office window onto the podium where everyone is speaking from and had to battle my way through the crowd to get to my building this morning. Personally, my life, my sense of well-being and/or safety has not changed. Am I maybe more vigilant and aware? Maybe, but that could also be because I'm also 7 years older and have naturally become more aware of my surroundings.....not because of fear of terrorism though. That I do not fear, if I fear them and change the way I live, and worry about what could happen, then they've won.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
From terrrorists i'd say yes. we haven't suffered an attack in 7 yrs.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
No safer.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
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NO. In all honesty, NO president can make us safer as long as children in other countries are being taught to HATE by their parents.
I remember watching on TV Palestinians dancing in the streets on 9/11 after the towers came down..men, women and their children. People from other countries saying that we somehow deserved this attack...AS long as there are people who teach and breed hate, there is NOTHING ANYONE can do. If you believe that diplomacy will change decades of hatred, I feel you are wrong.
All we can do is teach our children to LOVE, love all people. We can put protections in place that will help curtail terrorism (airlines with locked cockpit doors, security screening, securing borders, ports, etc.) but it will never be prevented.
After being there on 9/11, seeing what I did, smelling the smell of burning flesh and dust, even 3 months after...the smell was still there. Seeing 250 lb men, on thier knees weeping, it is something that will be etched in my brain forever.
Then, that night I saw people dancing in the streets in other countries b/c they were elated that we were hurting and that INNOCENT CIVILIANS were murdered...I really cannot seeing HOW we can be safer, ever if that hatred still exists in the world.
I know many of you believe that diplomacy will change the perception of America to countries who hate us. That talking to them will somehow erase decades of HATE. I hope and pray that you are right, I WANT to believe that to be true, for the sake of our country and our future. I just feel that no matter what we do as a country they will not listen and they will not change. ANY Mother who can hold her infant while dancing in the street because innocent people were murdered...teaching THAT to her children...if they can do that, if they can find joy in murdering innocent people, then I have no hope that "talking" will work with someone like that. we just have to protect ourselves as best we could knowing and expecting another attack from hated filled people.
I think this view that the world around us is filled with hate is what's doing the most damage. The US is alienating itself further and further, becoming defensive and elitest. What about the hate that's being bred in the US for other countries??? So, yes, I do think diplomacy will go a long way towards helping our reputation throughout the rest of the world. But we as citizens need to follow through and not buy into the scaremongering coming from our own government.
ETA - I don't live in the US, so I can't really comment on whether or not I feel safer. I visit New York about four times a year and I don't feel any different than I did before I left (in 2004) in terms of safety.
But I have hope that the new president, whoever it may be, will bring us all closer to feeling and actually being safer in the future.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Absolutely YES.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Yes, but my kids and I pay a HUGE price for it. I'd love to see my husband again for more then 3-4 months a year.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
No, not at all.
My cousin is overseas - he said its unbelieveable how much they hate us. He said Iraq right now is the safest place to be as they've all fled into Afghanistan.
He shudders at the thought but with hatred they have for us they actually say to the soldiers that they hate them and can't wait to attack us again. Its quite sad as we're there trying to help them.
When they go into town they cannot wear any gear b/c if they do the locals will attack them. Its insane what he goes through for our country.
I love him, so proud of him but my heart is in my throat every single day he's there.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
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Posted by dandr10199
NO. In all honesty, NO president can make us safer as long as children in other countries are being taught to HATE by their parents.
I remember watching on TV Palestinians dancing in the streets on 9/11 after the towers came down..men, women and their children. People from other countries saying that we somehow deserved this attack...AS long as there are people who teach and breed hate, there is NOTHING ANYONE can do. If you believe that diplomacy will change decades of hatred, I feel you are wrong.
All we can do is teach our children to LOVE, love all people. We can put protections in place that will help curtail terrorism (airlines with locked cockpit doors, security screening, securing borders, ports, etc.) but it will never be prevented.
After being there on 9/11, seeing what I did, smelling the smell of burning flesh and dust, even 3 months after...the smell was still there. Seeing 250 lb men, on thier knees weeping, it is something that will be etched in my brain forever.
Then, that night I saw people dancing in the streets in other countries b/c they were elated that we were hurting and that INNOCENT CIVILIANS were murdered...I really cannot seeing HOW we can be safer, ever if that hatred still exists in the world.
I know many of you believe that diplomacy will change the perception of America to countries who hate us. That talking to them will somehow erase decades of HATE. I hope and pray that you are right, I WANT to believe that to be true, for the sake of our country and our future. I just feel that no matter what we do as a country they will not listen and they will not change. ANY Mother who can hold her infant while dancing in the street because innocent people were murdered...teaching THAT to her children...if they can do that, if they can find joy in murdering innocent people, then I have no hope that "talking" will work with someone like that. we just have to protect ourselves as best we could knowing and expecting another attack from hated filled people.
I think this view that the world around us is filled with hate is what's doing the most damage. The US is alienating itself further and further, becoming defensive and elitest. What about the hate that's being bred in the US for other countries??? So, yes, I do think diplomacy will go a long way towards helping our reputation throughout the rest of the world. But we as citizens need to follow through and not buy into the scaremongering coming from our own government.
ETA - I don't live in the US, so I can't really comment on whether or not I feel safer. I visit New York about four times a year and I don't feel any different than I did before I left (in 2004) in terms of safety.
But I have hope that the new president, whoever it may be, will bring us all closer to feeling and actually being safer in the future.
So when Palestinians were dancing in the street b/c 3000+ people were murdered...that is ME being elitist?????
I DID NOT have any hate for ANY country before 9/11. Nor did I see the US government promoting hatred and alienating itself BEFORE 9/11. This was an UNPROVOKED attack, I do not know how you can think that is was anything different. Now, I struggle EVERY DAY NOT to stoop to the levels of people who hate us by hating them and it is very hard to do. I pray daily that God would give me compassion for people who hate us and give me the strength to forgive and help them.
So again, I ask you... when Palestinians were dancing in the street b/c 3000+ people were murdered...that is ME being elitist?????
Posted by usuk2004
I think this view that the world around us is filled with hate is what's doing the most damage. The US is alienating itself further and further, becoming defensive and elitest. What about the hate that's being bred in the US for other countries???
You have GOT to be kidding me, especially today with this BS. 
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Yes & no.
I think we are safer because I think we have a higher level of awareness about it & have gone on to develop the technology necessary to counter attacks.
However, I believe we are more hated than every before. On 9/11, the majority of countries cried over our tragedies. I think the actions of this administration destroyed every ounce of goodwill we ever had.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
No. That's not to say that I live my life in fear.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by usuk2004
I think this view that the world around us is filled with hate is what's doing the most damage. The US is alienating itself further and further, becoming defensive and elitest. What about the hate that's being bred in the US for other countries???
You have GOT to be kidding me, especially today with this BS.
I do think usuk2004 has a point. We are alienating ourselves. Diplomacy seems to have completely disappeared under the current administration. I do hope that whomever is elected in Nov. takes a look at the way the world views our government and practices.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by usuk2004
I think this view that the world around us is filled with hate is what's doing the most damage. The US is alienating itself further and further, becoming defensive and elitest. What about the hate that's being bred in the US for other countries??? So, yes, I do think diplomacy will go a long way towards helping our reputation throughout the rest of the world. But we as citizens need to follow through and not buy into the scaremongering coming from our own government.
ETA - I don't live in the US, so I can't really comment on whether or not I feel safer. I visit New York about four times a year and I don't feel any different than I did before I left (in 2004) in terms of safety.
But I have hope that the new president, whoever it may be, will bring us all closer to feeling and actually being safer in the future.
So when Palestinians were dancing in the street b/c 3000+ people were murdered...that is ME being elitist?????
I DID NOT have any hate for ANY country before 9/11. Nor did I see the US government promoting hatred and alienating itself BEFORE 9/11. This was an UNPROVOKED attack, I do not know how you can think that is was anything different. Now, I struggle EVERY DAY NOT to stoop to the levels of people who hate us by hating them and it is very hard to do. I pray daily that God would give me compassion for people who hate us and give me the strength to forgive and help them.
So again, I ask you... when Palestinians were dancing in the street b/c 3000+ people were murdered...that is ME being elitist?????
Posted by usuk2004
I think this view that the world around us is filled with hate is what's doing the most damage. The US is alienating itself further and further, becoming defensive and elitest. What about the hate that's being bred in the US for other countries???
You have GOT to be kidding me, especially today with this BS.
No, of course I don't think that it's right that people were dancing in the streets. But do you not acknowledge the fact that the US has caused destruction and devastation on a massive scale in other countries before and after 9/11? I agree with you that the US was not alienating itself to this extent pre-9/11, but it's doing more to alienate itself now, and from lots of different countries. Countries that have been allies in the past. The 9/11 attacks were largely a retaliation against US occupation in the Middle East - I'm sure you will disagree with me, and I know this will be a very unpopular view on these boards, but I don't consider that entirely 'unprovoked'. I'm not condoning it. I'm not saying we deserved it. But the truth is that while we've not had that kind of foreign attack on American soil since the Revolutionary War, we have done the same in other countries. Our involvement in the Middle East is really about protecting our own assets, and frankly I'm not surprised that other countries are not happy about that.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by dandr10199
NO. In all honesty, NO president can make us safer as long as children in other countries are being taught to HATE by their parents.
I remember watching on TV Palestinians dancing in the streets on 9/11 after the towers came down..men, women and their children. People from other countries saying that we somehow deserved this attack...AS long as there are people who teach and breed hate, there is NOTHING ANYONE can do. If you believe that diplomacy will change decades of hatred, I feel you are wrong.
All we can do is teach our children to LOVE, love all people. We can put protections in place that will help curtail terrorism (airlines with locked cockpit doors, security screening, securing borders, ports, etc.) but it will never be prevented.
After being there on 9/11, seeing what I did, smelling the smell of burning flesh and dust, even 3 months after...the smell was still there. Seeing 250 lb men, on thier knees weeping, it is something that will be etched in my brain forever.
Then, that night I saw people dancing in the streets in other countries b/c they were elated that we were hurting and that INNOCENT CIVILIANS were murdered...I really cannot seeing HOW we can be safer, ever if that hatred still exists in the world.
I know many of you believe that diplomacy will change the perception of America to countries who hate us. That talking to them will somehow erase decades of HATE. I hope and pray that you are right, I WANT to believe that to be true, for the sake of our country and our future. I just feel that no matter what we do as a country they will not listen and they will not change. ANY Mother who can hold her infant while dancing in the street because innocent people were murdered...teaching THAT to her children...if they can do that, if they can find joy in murdering innocent people, then I have no hope that "talking" will work with someone like that. we just have to protect ourselves as best we could knowing and expecting another attack from hated filled people.
Well said, ITA.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by dandr10199
I DID NOT have any hate for ANY country before 9/11. Nor did I see the US government promoting hatred and alienating itself BEFORE 9/11. This was an UNPROVOKED attack, I do not know how you can think that is was anything different. Now, I struggle EVERY DAY NOT to stoop to the levels of people who hate us by hating them and it is very hard to do. I pray daily that God would give me compassion for people who hate us and give me the strength to forgive and help them.
Sure it was provoked. I mean, yes, you're right, we didn't fly a plane into their buidlings first. It wasn't direct, specific provocation, but it's hatred they've had for us for years and years having alot to do with our foreign policy. They reacted. Of course I don't agree with their reaction and I think the events of that day were a horrible tragedy, but they were not completely unprovoked. Maybe the US wasn't passing out flyers asking people to hate us...but we were doing other things, exploiting them for many things, causing destruction on so many levels, to settle scores, and for our own benefit etc, of course they hated us. And it's not like the hate for us has only been the few years prior to 9/11. We've been a global empire for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS now, doing these very things. Waaaaaaaaay before any of us were even born. The provocations have been building here and there this long and they had enough.
You didn't hate, and I didn't hate, but the US doesn't exactly play nice out there. I realize people may not want to hear this, but we're (meaning the US) not entirely angels on the global front.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
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Posted by dandr10199
I DID NOT have any hate for ANY country before 9/11. Nor did I see the US government promoting hatred and alienating itself BEFORE 9/11. This was an UNPROVOKED attack, I do not know how you can think that is was anything different. Now, I struggle EVERY DAY NOT to stoop to the levels of people who hate us by hating them and it is very hard to do. I pray daily that God would give me compassion for people who hate us and give me the strength to forgive and help them.
Sure it was provoked. I mean, yes, you're right, we didn't fly a plane into their buidlings first. It wasn't direct, specific provocation, but it's hatred they've had for us for years and years having alot to do with our foreign policy. They reacted. Of course I don't agree with their reaction and I think the events of that day were a horrible tragedy, but they were not completely unprovoked. Maybe the US wasn't passing out flyers asking people to hate us...but we were doing other things, exploiting them for many things, causing destruction on so many levels, to settle scores, and for our own benefit etc, of course they hated us. And it's not like the hate for us has only been the few years prior to 9/11. We've been a global empire for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS now, doing these very things. Waaaaaaaaay before any of us were even born. The provocations have been building here and there this long and they had enough.
You didn't hate, and I didn't hate, but the US doesn't exactly play nice out there. I realize people may not want to hear this, but we're (meaning the US) not entirely angels on the global front.
Can you please explain the destruction we caused over there that provoked them into attacking us. You dont negotiate with terrorists. pls take that liberal im just being empathetic to the terrorists crap out of here
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by tommy2
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Posted by dandr10199
I DID NOT have any hate for ANY country before 9/11. Nor did I see the US government promoting hatred and alienating itself BEFORE 9/11. This was an UNPROVOKED attack, I do not know how you can think that is was anything different. Now, I struggle EVERY DAY NOT to stoop to the levels of people who hate us by hating them and it is very hard to do. I pray daily that God would give me compassion for people who hate us and give me the strength to forgive and help them.
Sure it was provoked. I mean, yes, you're right, we didn't fly a plane into their buidlings first. It wasn't direct, specific provocation, but it's hatred they've had for us for years and years having alot to do with our foreign policy. They reacted. Of course I don't agree with their reaction and I think the events of that day were a horrible tragedy, but they were not completely unprovoked. Maybe the US wasn't passing out flyers asking people to hate us...but we were doing other things, exploiting them for many things, causing destruction on so many levels, to settle scores, and for our own benefit etc, of course they hated us. And it's not like the hate for us has only been the few years prior to 9/11. We've been a global empire for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS now, doing these very things. Waaaaaaaaay before any of us were even born. The provocations have been building here and there this long and they had enough.
You didn't hate, and I didn't hate, but the US doesn't exactly play nice out there. I realize people may not want to hear this, but we're (meaning the US) not entirely angels on the global front.
Can you please explain the destruction we caused over there that provoked them into attacking us. You dont negotiate with terrorists. pls take that liberal im just being empathetic to the terrorists crap out of here
I'm not being empathetic, or sympathetic for that matter. I think what they did is disgusting, I lost people very close to me that day and my DH stood, LITERALLY, where they are standing now at that podium reading names at the corner of Liberty and Church, (where my office window also happens to overlook this very moment), and ran for his dear life, not knowing if he'd live to breathe another second, came home covered in black soot, he's suffered since then mentally and physically because of that day. I hate that saw things that day that he STILL cannot bring himself to speak of, i hate what they did to him and what they did THOUSANDS of other people out there. I'm just pointing out that we're not going into countries all over the world singing kumbaya with the locals....what they did did not come from nowhere, and if you think that then our current administration has you right where they want you, so you sir, ......NM, it's not worth it.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
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No, not at all.
My cousin is overseas - he said its unbelieveable how much they hate us. He said Iraq right now is the safest place to be as they've all fled into Afghanistan.
He shudders at the thought but with
hatred they have for us they actually
say to the soldiers that they hate them
and can't wait to attack us again. Its
quite sad as we're there trying to help
them.
When they go into town they cannot wear any gear b/c if they do the locals will attack them. Its insane what he goes through for our country
I love him, so proud of him but my heart is in my throat every single day he's there.
Hey i was there too, and i completely disagree with your cousins assessment. i remember being praised and thanked for what we did over there. When they go into town they cant wear any gear? Are u sure your cousin is in the same Iraq i was
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
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Posted by tommy2
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Posted by dandr10199
I DID NOT have any hate for ANY country before 9/11. Nor did I see the US government promoting hatred and alienating itself BEFORE 9/11. This was an UNPROVOKED attack, I do not know how you can think that is was anything different. Now, I struggle EVERY DAY NOT to stoop to the levels of people who hate us by hating them and it is very hard to do. I pray daily that God would give me compassion for people who hate us and give me the strength to forgive and help them.
Sure it was provoked. I mean, yes, you're right, we didn't fly a plane into their buidlings first. It wasn't direct, specific provocation, but it's hatred they've had for us for years and years having alot to do with our foreign policy. They reacted. Of course I don't agree with their reaction and I think the events of that day were a horrible tragedy, but they were not completely unprovoked. Maybe the US wasn't passing out flyers asking people to hate us...but we were doing other things, exploiting them for many things, causing destruction on so many levels, to settle scores, and for our own benefit etc, of course they hated us. And it's not like the hate for us has only been the few years prior to 9/11. We've been a global empire for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS now, doing these very things. Waaaaaaaaay before any of us were even born. The provocations have been building here and there this long and they had enough.
You didn't hate, and I didn't hate, but the US doesn't exactly play nice out there. I realize people may not want to hear this, but we're (meaning the US) not entirely angels on the global front.
Can you please explain the destruction we caused over there that provoked them into attacking us. You dont negotiate with terrorists. pls take that liberal im just being empathetic to the terrorists crap out of here
I'm not being empathetic, or sympathetic for that matter. I think what they did is disgusting, I lost people very close to me that day and my DH stood, LITERALLY, where they are standing now at that podium reading names at the corner of Liberty and Church, (where my office window also happens to overlook this very moment), and ran for his dear life, not knowing if he'd live to breathe another second, came home covered in black soot, he's suffered since then mentally and physically because of that day. I hate that saw things that day that he STILL cannot bring himself to speak of, i hate what they did to him and what they did THOUSANDS of other people out there. I'm just pointing out that we're not going into countries all over the world singing kumbaya with the locals....what they did did not come from nowhere, and if you think that then our current administration has you right where they want you, so you sir, ......NM, it's not worth it.
Nothing to add. Just wanna say  Ruby!
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
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Posted by tommy2
Posted by ruby
Posted by dandr10199
I DID NOT have any hate for ANY country before 9/11. Nor did I see the US government promoting hatred and alienating itself BEFORE 9/11. This was an UNPROVOKED attack, I do not know how you can think that is was anything different. Now, I struggle EVERY DAY NOT to stoop to the levels of people who hate us by hating them and it is very hard to do. I pray daily that God would give me compassion for people who hate us and give me the strength to forgive and help them.
Sure it was provoked. I mean, yes, you're right, we didn't fly a plane into their buidlings first. It wasn't direct, specific provocation, but it's hatred they've had for us for years and years having alot to do with our foreign policy. They reacted. Of course I don't agree with their reaction and I think the events of that day were a horrible tragedy, but they were not completely unprovoked. Maybe the US wasn't passing out flyers asking people to hate us...but we were doing other things, exploiting them for many things, causing destruction on so many levels, to settle scores, and for our own benefit etc, of course they hated us. And it's not like the hate for us has only been the few years prior to 9/11. We've been a global empire for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS now, doing these very things. Waaaaaaaaay before any of us were even born. The provocations have been building here and there this long and they had enough.
You didn't hate, and I didn't hate, but the US doesn't exactly play nice out there. I realize people may not want to hear this, but we're (meaning the US) not entirely angels on the global front.
Can you please explain the destruction we caused over there that provoked them into attacking us. You dont negotiate with terrorists. pls take that liberal im just being empathetic to the terrorists crap out of here
I'm not being empathetic, or sympathetic for that matter. I think what they did is disgusting, I lost people very close to me that day and my DH stood, LITERALLY, where they are standing now at that podium reading names at the corner of Liberty and Church, (where my office window also happens to overlook this very moment), and ran for his dear life, not knowing if he'd live to breathe another second, came home covered in black soot, he's suffered since then mentally and physically because of that day. I hate that saw things that day that he STILL cannot bring himself to speak of, i hate what they did to him and what they did THOUSANDS of other people out there. I'm just pointing out that we're not going into countries all over the world singing kumbaya with the locals....what they did did not come from nowhere, and if you think that then our current administration has you right where they want you, so you sir, ......NM, it's not worth it.
Well, said!
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| Posted 9/11/08 11:44 AM |
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tommy2
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by ruby
Posted by tommy2
Posted by ruby
Posted by dandr10199
I DID NOT have any hate for ANY country before 9/11. Nor did I see the US government promoting hatred and alienating itself BEFORE 9/11. This was an UNPROVOKED attack, I do not know how you can think that is was anything different. Now, I struggle EVERY DAY NOT to stoop to the levels of people who hate us by hating them and it is very hard to do. I pray daily that God would give me compassion for people who hate us and give me the strength to forgive and help them.
Sure it was provoked. I mean, yes, you're right, we didn't fly a plane into their buidlings first. It wasn't direct, specific provocation, but it's hatred they've had for us for years and years having alot to do with our foreign policy. They reacted. Of course I don't agree with their reaction and I think the events of that day were a horrible tragedy, but they were not completely unprovoked. Maybe the US wasn't passing out flyers asking people to hate us...but we were doing other things, exploiting them for many things, causing destruction on so many levels, to settle scores, and for our own benefit etc, of course they hated us. And it's not like the hate for us has only been the few years prior to 9/11. We've been a global empire for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS now, doing these very things. Waaaaaaaaay before any of us were even born. The provocations have been building here and there this long and they had enough.
You didn't hate, and I didn't hate, but the US doesn't exactly play nice out there. I realize people may not want to hear this, but we're (meaning the US) not entirely angels on the global front.
Can you please explain the destruction we caused over there that provoked them into attacking us. You dont negotiate with terrorists. pls take that liberal im just being empathetic to the terrorists crap out of here
I'm not being empathetic, or sympathetic for that matter. I think what they did is disgusting, I lost people very close to me that day and my DH stood, LITERALLY, where they are standing now at that podium reading names at the corner of Liberty and Church, (where my office window also happens to overlook this very moment), and ran for his dear life, not knowing if he'd live to breathe another second, came home covered in black soot, he's suffered since then mentally and physically because of that day. I hate that saw things that day that he STILL cannot bring himself to speak of, i hate what they did to him and what they did THOUSANDS of other people out there. I'm just pointing out that we're not going into countries all over the world singing kumbaya with the locals....what they did did not come from nowhere, and if you think that then our current administration has you right where they want you, so you sir, ......NM, it's not worth it.
You Mam....NM you stated devastaion. pretty strong words pls eleborate. oh yeah thats right u cant. pls support Barrack Obama he's definately the answer to terrorism, he read the book
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| Posted 9/11/08 11:45 AM |
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usuk2004
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by tommy2
Posted by ruby
Posted by dandr10199
I DID NOT have any hate for ANY country before 9/11. Nor did I see the US government promoting hatred and alienating itself BEFORE 9/11. This was an UNPROVOKED attack, I do not know how you can think that is was anything different. Now, I struggle EVERY DAY NOT to stoop to the levels of people who hate us by hating them and it is very hard to do. I pray daily that God would give me compassion for people who hate us and give me the strength to forgive and help them.
Sure it was provoked. I mean, yes, you're right, we didn't fly a plane into their buidlings first. It wasn't direct, specific provocation, but it's hatred they've had for us for years and years having alot to do with our foreign policy. They reacted. Of course I don't agree with their reaction and I think the events of that day were a horrible tragedy, but they were not completely unprovoked. Maybe the US wasn't passing out flyers asking people to hate us...but we were doing other things, exploiting them for many things, causing destruction on so many levels, to settle scores, and for our own benefit etc, of course they hated us. And it's not like the hate for us has only been the few years prior to 9/11. We've been a global empire for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS now, doing these very things. Waaaaaaaaay before any of us were even born. The provocations have been building here and there this long and they had enough.
You didn't hate, and I didn't hate, but the US doesn't exactly play nice out there. I realize people may not want to hear this, but we're (meaning the US) not entirely angels on the global front.
Can you please explain the destruction we caused over there that provoked them into attacking us. You dont negotiate with terrorists. pls take that liberal im just being empathetic to the terrorists crap out of here
Ruby was nothing but respectful in arguing her point. Would be nice if you were the same, please.
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| Posted 9/11/08 11:47 AM |
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