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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by nrthshgrl
Yes & no.
I think we are safer because I think we have a higher level of awareness about it & have gone on to develop the technology necessary to counter attacks.
However, I believe we are more hated than every before. On 9/11, the majority of countries cried over our tragedies. I think the actions of this administration destroyed every ounce of goodwill we ever had.
this is exactly what I was going to say.
like, to the T.
just b/c you can hit the hardest doesn't get you the most respect on the playground.
it just means that if you flaunt it enough, 17 of the smaller guys will jump you at once.
we need to prove that our hearts are mightier than our swords. and when I say HEART, I mean valor, courage, compassion...not the wimpy "love and peace"...it takes EXTREME bravery to do that. we need to show how brave we are WITHOUT needing our weapons to prove it.
up to know, we have just shown that we can swing a broad one.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
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I DID NOT have any hate for ANY country before 9/11. Nor did I see the US government promoting hatred and alienating itself BEFORE 9/11. This was an UNPROVOKED attack, I do not know how you can think that is was anything different. Now, I struggle EVERY DAY NOT to stoop to the levels of people who hate us by hating them and it is very hard to do. I pray daily that God would give me compassion for people who hate us and give me the strength to forgive and help them.
Sure it was provoked. I mean, yes, you're right, we didn't fly a plane into their buidlings first. It wasn't direct, specific provocation, but it's hatred they've had for us for years and years having alot to do with our foreign policy. They reacted. Of course I don't agree with their reaction and I think the events of that day were a horrible tragedy, but they were not completely unprovoked. Maybe the US wasn't passing out flyers asking people to hate us...but we were doing other things, exploiting them for many things, causing destruction on so many levels, to settle scores, and for our own benefit etc, of course they hated us. And it's not like the hate for us has only been the few years prior to 9/11. We've been a global empire for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS now, doing these very things. Waaaaaaaaay before any of us were even born. The provocations have been building here and there this long and they had enough.
You didn't hate, and I didn't hate, but the US doesn't exactly play nice out there. I realize people may not want to hear this, but we're (meaning the US) not entirely angels on the global front.
Can you please explain the destruction we caused over there that provoked them into attacking us. You dont negotiate with terrorists. pls take that liberal im just being empathetic to the terrorists crap out of here
Ruby was nothing but respectful in arguing her point. Would be nice if you were the same, please.
Respectful my As_ did you read the end of her post. i just want her to explain the devastation we caused over there that provoked the attack.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by tommy2
Hey i was there too, and i completely disagree with your cousins assessment. i remember being praised and thanked for what we did over there. When they go into town they cant wear any gear? Are u sure your cousin is in the same Iraq i was
my brother was there too..two tours and he pretty much said what Tommy2 did.
although there ARE for sure pockets of people who DO hate us...the people we ARE helping don't.
my brother used to hand skittles out to the kids from his MRE's and had a decent rapport.
Oh, and he was in FALLUJAH, both times.
my baby is a Marine and I love him. he's also a republican...but I don't fault him...most military are.  
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by tommy2
Respectful my As_ did you read the end of her post. i just want her to explain the devastation we caused over there that provoked the attack.
your points would come across so much better if you would R E L A X.
this is coming across as nasty and personal...and she didn't say anything to YOU.
being proud of your country AND acknowleging how it may be at fault for something are not ideas that are mutually exclusive of the other.
the fact of the matter is, we put our noses in where it wasn't welcome, and NOT for altruistic democratic reasons either...and we got bit. case closed.
the only people that ever really suffer in wars are the civilians...the innocents on both sides.
how many people have we killed INNOCENT people, b/c of poor bomb placement.
YES, we care..they don't for killing our innocents.
but they are deaths and the destruction of lives nontheless.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by tommy2
Hey i was there too, and i completely disagree with your cousins assessment. i remember being praised and thanked for what we did over there. When they go into town they cant wear any gear? Are u sure your cousin is in the same Iraq i was
my brother was there too..two tours and he pretty much said what Tommy2 did.
although there ARE for sure pockets of people who DO hate us...the people we ARE helping don't.
my brother used to hand skittles out to the kids from his MRE's and had a decent rapport.
Oh, and he was in FALLUJAH, both times.
my baby is a Marine and I love him. he's also a republican...but I don't fault him...most military are.
Although we disagree on certain things Ophelia, i still like ya
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
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Respectful my As_ did you read the end of her post. i just want her to explain the devastation we caused over there that provoked the attack.
your points would come across so much better if you would R E L A X.
this is coming across as nasty and personal...and she didn't say anything to YOU.
being proud of your country AND acknowleging how it may be at fault for something are not ideas that are mutually exclusive of the other.
the fact of the matter is, we put our noses in where it wasn't welcome, and NOT for altruistic democratic reasons either...and we got bit. case closed.
the only people that ever really suffer in wars are the civilians...the innocents on both sides.
how many people have we killed INNOCENT people, b/c of poor bomb placement.
YES, we care..they don't for killing our innocents.
but they are deaths and the destruction of lives nontheless.
Death and Destruction occured during the war. Not before the terrorist attack Ruby claimed we had coming to us.
It doen't take a genious to figure out what was meant by you Sir....NM
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
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Posted by tommy2
Respectful my As_ did you read the end of her post. i just want her to explain the devastation we caused over there that provoked the attack.
your points would come across so much better if you would R E L A X.
this is coming across as nasty and personal...and she didn't say anything to YOU.
I agree. I really do agree with many of your points but I usually end up cringing when i read your posts. You seem to know a lot so if you presented it in a different way maybe you could get some people to see your side instead everyone feels the need to be defensive.
I am not censoring you. . .I have to admit that I have done a lot of research based on some issues that you have brought up. . .but just a little bit of tact goes a long way.
flies, honey and vinegar and all that KWIM?
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by Ophelia
your points would come across so much better if you would R E L A X.
this is coming across as nasty and personal...and she didn't say anything to YOU.
being proud of your country AND acknowleging how it may be at fault for something are not ideas that are mutually exclusive of the other.
ita.
Tommy, I respect you for your service and I can see where you are coming from, but your responses are consistently perceived as being off color b/c of your wording and the appearance that you are shooting them off quick, reactionary manner. jmho.
O- totally agree with the above portion about being proud and at the same time being constructively critical about how we may be perceived by others who are very different from us and have a very different frame of reference. That is how we are different from those that seek to destroy us. And, thank the good Lord for that.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by tommy2
Although we disagree on certain things Ophelia, i still like ya
I like you to.
and I want to hear your side. b/c there ARE so many sides to this story...not just one or two.
there are so many reasons...
fear on their side b/c of the idea the freedoms indicate a loss of control so they hate our "western" ways
truth b/c in a certain sense, we feel so entitled to "defend democracy" (or take whatever we want from whomever we chose under the flag of democracy) that they are RIGHT...b/c no one can control US (as was shown when we went AGAINST the UN and decided to NOT uphold parts of the Geneva convention)
sadness b/c we as a people are GOOD people. we love are families and believe in our god just as they do. and our innocents have died and will die just like theirs do.
tommy, it may not seem like to it you b/c you come with a military and police perspective...but we NEED to SPEAK to them. we NEED for ALL people to see how alike we ALL truly are.
we work for our families, we love our countries...we want PEACE...so many of us around the world.
we NEED to give the world a Coke.
we need to relax, take a breath, and find out HTEFF we got here??!!!! 
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
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Posted by Ophelia
Posted by tommy2
Respectful my As_ did you read the end of her post. i just want her to explain the devastation we caused over there that provoked the attack.
your points would come across so much better if you would R E L A X.
this is coming across as nasty and personal...and she didn't say anything to YOU.
I agree. I really do agree with many of your points but I usually end up cringing when i read your posts. You seem to know a lot so if you presented it in a different way maybe you could get some people to see your side instead everyone feels the need to be defensive.
I am not censoring you. . .I have to admit that I have done a lot of research based on some issues that you have brought up. . .but just a little bit of tact goes a long way.
flies, honey and vinegar and all that KWIM?
Thx for your post Tilde. And i agree i can come across harshly. I do it mostly because i am outnumbered here it seems. But your definately right about catching more flies w/ honey.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by tommy2
Death and Destruction occured during the war. Not before the terrorist attack Ruby claimed we had coming to us.
I can't speak to what she was getting at, b/c only she knows.
But what has been discussed for years and especially since the attacks is that the perception of many that live in the Mid East is that b/c we unequivocally support Israel, that must mean that we therefore do not support the Palestinians, who they see as an oppressed people.
Again, I'm not saying I believe this or don't believe this, just stating what has been academically and publicly debated and discussed. And I'm not putting this out there to debate this tangent, either.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by tommy2
From terrrorists i'd say yes. we haven't suffered an attack in 7 yrs.
this is how i feel.
i feel that i have learned a lot from 9/11. i have a better awareness of so many things. i love our country and i love new york more than i ever have before in my life. i am so appreciative and supportive of our troops that fight for our lives/freedom. they can hate us all they want - i love my country, i love it's people and no one else's feelings of hatred will ever stop me from being the proud, patriotic american i am.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
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Posted by Tilde
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by tommy2
Respectful my As_ did you read the end of her post. i just want her to explain the devastation we caused over there that provoked the attack.
your points would come across so much better if you would R E L A X.
this is coming across as nasty and personal...and she didn't say anything to YOU.
I agree. I really do agree with many of your points but I usually end up cringing when i read your posts. You seem to know a lot so if you presented it in a different way maybe you could get some people to see your side instead everyone feels the need to be defensive.
I am not censoring you. . .I have to admit that I have done a lot of research based on some issues that you have brought up. . .but just a little bit of tact goes a long way.
flies, honey and vinegar and all that KWIM?
Thx for your post Tilde. And i agree i can come across harshly. I do it mostly because i am outnumbered here it seems. But your definately right about catching more flies w/ honey.
I think whenever we read the opposite point of view that we hold and get hyped up about it (as we all do) it's easy to feel like we're outnumbered. I'm often overwhelmed by opinions that I dont' agree with as well - we should all just try to keep it nice! 
And I agree with both what Ophelia & Cpt said.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
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Posted by Tilde
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by tommy2
Respectful my As_ did you read the end of her post. i just want her to explain the devastation we caused over there that provoked the attack.
your points would come across so much better if you would R E L A X.
this is coming across as nasty and personal...and she didn't say anything to YOU.
I agree. I really do agree with many of your points but I usually end up cringing when i read your posts. You seem to know a lot so if you presented it in a different way maybe you could get some people to see your side instead everyone feels the need to be defensive.
I am not censoring you. . .I have to admit that I have done a lot of research based on some issues that you have brought up. . .but just a little bit of tact goes a long way.
flies, honey and vinegar and all that KWIM?
Thx for your post Tilde. And i agree i can come across harshly. I do it mostly because i am outnumbered here it seems. But your definately right about catching more flies w/ honey.
Tommy I agree with Tilde & Ophelia. I cringe when reading your posts, but I do agree with you on some things. You are not the ONLY conservative on this site. There are many of us. Just be nice. Being rude, whether you are conservative, republican, independent, democrat or liberal is going to get you NOWHERE on this site and anywhere you try to discuss politics. Just my 2 cents for what is is worth.
Thank you for serving our country. Ophelia, thanks to your brother as well. True heroes
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by tommy2
Respectful my As_ did you read the end of her post. i just want her to explain the devastation we caused over there that provoked the attack.
Sorry, had a conference call....work calls sometimes.
The you sir, was going to be followed by me telling you to take your right wing agenda elsewhere, as you stated to me first to take my liberal "crap" I believe you called, elsewhere.....but I decided I didn't want to be negative as you chose to do..guess my delete didn't go far enough I was just trying to get it edited quickly. That's how you choose to post, fiery and aggressive, not just this post, but many of our posts. I didn't feel like having a pissing contest and posting in that manner. And to clarify, I said destruction on so many levels...i meant socioeconomically, fundamentally, spiritually, as in their belief that we're exclusively out to help them (and not just the people who flew those planes but anyone who feels that we as a country exploit them to serve our own interests) when we may not be, we destroy that faith in us. We want everyone to love us and pretend we don't want them to fear us, I don't believe personally that you can have both. It was to respond, as I've said, to people that wonder where the hell these attacks possibly could have stemmed from, that is all. To explain that although, yes, we do MANY wonderful things out there, we also need to be more diplomatic. Would that have prevented this tragedy? Who knows? None of us do...just presenting a different side, just like you.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
I don't think we are safer from terrorism. When was the last terrorist attack from abroad before 9/11? Not to mention all the Al-Quaeda attacks around the world (London, Bali, etc..). Just because the US hasn't been hit, doesn't mean we are safe from terrorism. I always believed that the terrorists will bide their time.
Posted by MarisaK
No, but if I lived every day in fear of what might happen, I'd be dead inside anyway .........so what's the point?
I LOVE Manhattan, I work here every day and play here as much as possible - I wouldn't give that up in a million years, if I did, IMO, THEY would have won, and they already took too much from us - I refuse to give them the power to take anything else away - I travel, I fly, I visit other coutries, I do it all without fear of what 'they' can do. They're always going to be there in the back of every New Yorker's mind (and hopefully every American as well) but I can't let it consume me ........
I could just as easily lose someone I love (or myself) to a car accident or cancer or a heart attack - so another terrorist attack is the last thing I worry about -
I'm 150% it could (and probably would) happen again, but if it does, I'll deal stress over it then, but not before then.-
ITA with this. I live in Manhattan and am raising my daughter here. I can't imagine being anywhere else. I think the chance of being a victim of terrorism is so less likely than getting sick or in a car accident. Not to mention by DH is from Israel and has lived with terrorism his entire life, yet his family continues to live there.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Unfortunately no
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
DH & BIL flew to denver for work last week.... scary thing is that BIL flew with a box cutter IN HIS CARRY ON BAG to denver out of JFK & NO ONE saw it... safer my ASSS!!!
denver airport picked up on it flying back into ny.. but its still unsettling that JFK didnt pick up on it AT ALL! and his bags went through security & everything!!!
obviously my BIL did not mean to have it with him... it was in there from a job he was on
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
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No, not at all.
My cousin is overseas - he said its unbelieveable how much they hate us. He said Iraq right now is the safest place to be as they've all fled into Afghanistan.
He shudders at the thought but with
hatred they have for us they actually
say to the soldiers that they hate them
and can't wait to attack us again. Its
quite sad as we're there trying to help
them.
When they go into town they cannot wear any gear b/c if they do the locals will attack them. Its insane what he goes through for our country
I love him, so proud of him but my heart is in my throat every single day he's there.
Hey i was there too, and i completely disagree with your cousins assessment. i remember being praised and thanked for what we did over there. When they go into town they cant wear any gear? Are u sure your cousin is in the same Iraq i was
I'm just relaying what he told us when he was home a month ago.
He's not in Iraq - I can't remember if its Kuwait or Afghanistan. He was supposed to go to Iraq but the station he was supposed to go to was bombed to bits a week or so before his arrival there.
Both he and his fiance are overseas - he's on his first tour and she's on her second. Again, this is just what I hear, she said its gotten worse on her second tour vs. her first but it could be where she is stationed. The middle east isn't exactly stable.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
And also Tommy just wanted to add a thank you for being overseas to protect us
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
I'm not sure that we're any safer than we were 7 years ago...
I think we're more AWARE then we were 7 years ago, but I do think there are still people out there who hate us enough to do what they did 7 years ago to us again.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
I think the general public is more aware of terrorism on a whole... but I think our Gov't has done nothing practical to improve security in this country at all. I also think that the general public seldom discusses or thinks of what the root of the terrorism may be. This is not good.
Improving security: Many of the wonderful pieces of technology developed by the DOE and its contractors go unutilized... remember those wonderful cargo screening devices that if put in place could scan ALL cargo entering the US? never installed. ports as unsecure as 2000.
How about the training of airport security? They're still pretty much untrained relative to countries like Israel that genuinely take security seriously. That's why the box cutter got through at JFK (OP's story). They simply aren't trained nearly well enough. they get the equivalent of a community college course while in Israel it's the equivalent of a masters degree, ya know? In 7 years, and after billions spent, this situation is inexcusable...
then there's the greediness in hoarding security $. The fact that quiet mid-west states get much more $ per capita than the NY-metro area for security is complete BS.
I won't even acknowledge the partisan bickering. The fact that we as Americans STILL have our heads so far up our @sses that we inject party politics into such a crutial topic that affects us all just shows that we have learned nothing from these horrible events and instead retreated to our comfy petty ways.
I also think that our mentality as a nation (as indicated by the topics covered in the media) is very off. We don't care about international events. It's not even covered in the news. It would take missle trials in some rogue nation for it to briefly make the news between Palin lipstick discussions and pew poll reports. otherwise, practically no reports on the goings on in asia, africa, the middle east, and europe. We're at WAR and we don't even substantially cover what our own troops are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We're so self-absorbed in national events that we don't even REALIZE that we're self-absorbed.  In the long run, it makes us as a nation ignorant of world events and then attacks like these seem to just 'sneak-up on us'.
I suspect another attack will be planned soon. they seem to come once every several years. I just pray that the stars align and we finally get our poop together before the bad guys do.......
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Posted by lorimarie
And also Tommy just wanted to add a thank you for being overseas to protect us
Thank You, i hope your family has a safe return.
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
I do feel safe. I can't live in fear!
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Re: Do you think our country is safer 7 years later?
Yes, i feel safer.
BUT, it's strange because I fear more today than I did 7 years ago. But I still think we're safe.
I was in Heathrow airport the day those people were arrested for conspiracy to kill (they were going to blow up a planes from Heathrow to NY with liquid explosives- could have been my plane). It shook me up big time but they caught them and it didn't happen. They knew what was going to happen and I trust that they know what they are doing now.
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