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ali120206
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
Posted by lululu
I have spoken to numerous teachers (who are teachers right now, not in the past assuming they can actually relate to what this is like) and they all have said that the more kids that are remote the more difficult it is. They have technology issues etc. This might not be true as the kids get older but definitely in the younger grades. I agree with the schools. At this point you're either in school or your not. And I don't think remote should even be an option next year.
Not even just that - the distractions. The things that have come out of my kids teacher's mouths are things that I think they never thought they'd have to say.
Take off the rollerskates and sit down was one of the latest....
I hate remote learning with a passion but it has been very eye opening to see how the kids are taught. These teachers are saints.
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
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TBH, there are a number of logistical issues that arise in the classroom when students who are supposed to be there in person are attending remotely for unapproved reasons. I agree with the school having a strict policy.
What logistical issues?? I’m just curious cause I see no logistical issues.
Same teacher has to log on no matter what for the students that are full remote. What difference does it make if another student is on that day or not.
Clearly I am the minority and that’s fine.
From my point of view their is no difference or inconvenience for anyone for a child to log on remote for the day. Our school does not have separate teachers for remote learning. Another child is not missing an opportunity to be in the class for a student who went remote for the day and went back.
If anything the child who decided to be remote is the one who will be the one that’s inconvenienced since they may not have what they need and that’s on them.
Also I believe while they are still requiring people have to quarantine for 10 days they should allow kids to go back-and-forth to remote because maybe someone doesn’t wanna risk having to quarantine when they have plans or commitments they cannot miss!!
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
Posted by blu6385
Posted by oldtimerocknroll
TBH, there are a number of logistical issues that arise in the classroom when students who are supposed to be there in person are attending remotely for unapproved reasons. I agree with the school having a strict policy.
What logistical issues?? I’m just curious cause I see no logistical issues.
Same teacher has to log on no matter what for the students that are full remote. What difference does it make if another student is on that day or not.
Clearly I am the minority and that’s fine.
From my point of view their is no difference or inconvenience for anyone for a child to log on remote for the day. Our school does not have separate teachers for remote learning. Another child is not missing an opportunity to be in the class for a student who went remote for the day and went back.
If anything the child who decided to be remote is the one who will be the one that’s inconvenienced since they may not have what they need and that’s on them.
Also I believe while they are still requiring people have to quarantine for 10 days they should allow kids to go back-and-forth to remote because maybe someone doesn’t wanna risk having to quarantine when they have plans or commitments they cannot miss!!
I didn't read thru all the responses but the kids have technology issues on and off throughout the day and the teachers spend a lot of time addressing these issues and it takes away from the entire class.
I totally get that it seems like a great option if you have appointments and what not but I think that the rule should be that you can log on and listen so you don't miss material but you can not be an interactive participant in the class because you are essentially absent.
Frankly I think post June we should do away with the option to learn at home. In the younger grades it is not an effective means to get an education and for the older grades it's a means to avoid social interactions and to cheat on exams. The cheating is completely out of control and the amount of parents turning a blind eye on it is disgusting.
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JennP
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
Posted by blu6385
Posted by oldtimerocknroll
TBH, there are a number of logistical issues that arise in the classroom when students who are supposed to be there in person are attending remotely for unapproved reasons. I agree with the school having a strict policy.
What logistical issues?? I’m just curious cause I see no logistical issues.
Same teacher has to log on no matter what for the students that are full remote. What difference does it make if another student is on that day or not.
Clearly I am the minority and that’s fine.
From my point of view their is no difference or inconvenience for anyone for a child to log on remote for the day. Our school does not have separate teachers for remote learning. Another child is not missing an opportunity to be in the class for a student who went remote for the day and went back.
If anything the child who decided to be remote is the one who will be the one that’s inconvenienced since they may not have what they need and that’s on them.
Also I believe while they are still requiring people have to quarantine for 10 days they should allow kids to go back-and-forth to remote because maybe someone doesn’t wanna risk having to quarantine when they have plans or commitments they cannot miss!!
I don't know the age but it's really not as simple as "that's on them" unless they are older I suppose.
Any decent teacher is going to end up going out of their way to accommodate a student who is home without their materials.
My (normally conscientious) son was remote for three days right before the holidays and forgot his vocabulary cards. The teacher posted what he needed even when I said not to worry about it because he knew the words but she's a sweetheart and wanted to help.
Again, if you're talking about a 16 year old I suppose it's a different dynamic but teachers are for the most part going to hustle and end up doing stuff they don't have the time to do. They're not going to say "no book? screw you."
Is the teacher teaching remotely and in person simultaneously? Because that's the only way to know for sure it could be seamless. If that same teacher is teaching remote separately then the pacing could be different, as others have mentioned.
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
In my district we have full remote classes for K-5. The only time a teacher in the in person classes has to live stream is if one of her/his students is in quarantine so that is a big inconvenience for a teacher to have to live stream all of a sudden because someone wants to go on vacation or they have a doctor's appointment or their kid didn't feel like getting up on time.
I am the last person to be defending teachers (sorry to all the great teachers but I see a side of some them that I can't wrap my head around) but I do not think they should have to jump through hopes because someone wants to go on vacation or schedule an appointment in the middle of the day. Schedule after school or weekends or pull them out like in pre-Covid years.
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
Posted by blu6385
Posted by oldtimerocknroll
TBH, there are a number of logistical issues that arise in the classroom when students who are supposed to be there in person are attending remotely for unapproved reasons. I agree with the school having a strict policy.
What logistical issues?? I’m just curious cause I see no logistical issues.
Same teacher has to log on no matter what for the students that are full remote. What difference does it make if another student is on that day or not.
The issue is not as much one student on one day. It's more that the lack of a strict policy leads to a snowballing of these issues. Also, if students are regularly remote learning, they are then likely in a routine of how to tackle academic tasks in that environment. Zooming in for one day, for example, requires the student to suddenly adjust their approach to learning. Some other issues...
-students are more distracted at home
-students are less engaged at home
-more students at home = more students with cameras off...no clue if they are following along or understanding the material...nonverbal cues play a significant role in teaching
-lack of a strict policy entices more misuse of the system
-cannot speak for everyone's classroom, but remote students may not always be able to see the teacher
-students are not seeing teacher
-disembodied voice talking to remote students
-lack of interaction
-need to significantly adjust lesson plans suddenly
-weakened classroom community
-lack of understanding for students about the value of attendance
-more students at home = more technology issues
There are many real logistical issues. We can debate on the policy (though I don't really debate on these boards, so I probably won't lol), but these logistical issues exist. Another issue is that my lesson plans are going to be different if I have, say, 2 students in person and 10 online as opposed to 10 online and 2 in person. I never know what it's going to be until I arrive in the classroom.
To be clear, I am not unequivocally opposed to remote and hybrid models of learning. However, they require continuity, consistency, and adjusting, all of which do not work well when students are randomly attending virtually instead of sticking to steady schedules and habits. The issues above can be addressed and resolved with consistency.
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KarenK122
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
Posted by blu6385
Posted by oldtimerocknroll
TBH, there are a number of logistical issues that arise in the classroom when students who are supposed to be there in person are attending remotely for unapproved reasons. I agree with the school having a strict policy.
What logistical issues?? I’m just curious cause I see no logistical issues.
Same teacher has to log on no matter what for the students that are full remote. What difference does it make if another student is on that day or not.
Clearly I am the minority and that’s fine.
From my point of view their is no difference or inconvenience for anyone for a child to log on remote for the day. Our school does not have separate teachers for remote learning. Another child is not missing an opportunity to be in the class for a student who went remote for the day and went back.
If anything the child who decided to be remote is the one who will be the one that’s inconvenienced since they may not have what they need and that’s on them.
Also I believe while they are still requiring people have to quarantine for 10 days they should allow kids to go back-and-forth to remote because maybe someone doesn’t wanna risk having to quarantine when they have plans or commitments they cannot miss!!
I think you are talking about different things. If a child is quarantined they should be able to do remote. I don't understand your sentence about the risk of quarantining because if you are doing an activity that requires to be quarantined they you do it, it's not an option. The issue is with kids in for 2 days and out for 3 just because. It is hard for the teacher to keep figuring out who is remote and who is not. There is a big different to a teacher if they have 3 remote students for the day or 10.
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
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I agree with the school.
I don’t see why you couldn’t just behave like this was pre-Covid and either pull your kid out of school early/send them late or just miss a day. It happens and it’s no big deal.
I am doing this but the point is why when they are online anyway? If child doesn’t have to miss work then why not let them.
If you feel that strongly about them not missing work, then just make the appointment for a evening/weekend/day off.
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
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Posted by blu6385
Posted by oldtimerocknroll
TBH, there are a number of logistical issues that arise in the classroom when students who are supposed to be there in person are attending remotely for unapproved reasons. I agree with the school having a strict policy.
What logistical issues?? I’m just curious cause I see no logistical issues.
Same teacher has to log on no matter what for the students that are full remote. What difference does it make if another student is on that day or not.
Clearly I am the minority and that’s fine.
From my point of view their is no difference or inconvenience for anyone for a child to log on remote for the day. Our school does not have separate teachers for remote learning. Another child is not missing an opportunity to be in the class for a student who went remote for the day and went back.
If anything the child who decided to be remote is the one who will be the one that’s inconvenienced since they may not have what they need and that’s on them.
Also I believe while they are still requiring people have to quarantine for 10 days they should allow kids to go back-and-forth to remote because maybe someone doesn’t wanna risk having to quarantine when they have plans or commitments they cannot miss!!
I think you are talking about different things. If a child is quarantined they should be able to do remote. I don't understand your sentence about the risk of quarantining because if you are doing an activity that requires to be quarantined they you do it, it's not an option. The issue is with kids in for 2 days and out for 3 just because. It is hard for the teacher to keep figuring out who is remote and who is not. There is a big different to a teacher if they have 3 remote students for the day or 10.
I agree—especially the elementary kids. There are typically portions of the day where RTI work is tailored to the needs of each child. The teacher will have items in the classroom for the children that they expect to be there, or will have specific work uploaded for children that are fully remote.
If random kids start appearing online instead of in the classroom, the teacher may not be prepared with work for those kids. Then they have to take time out of their lesson to make arrangements for these kids to have something to do.
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blu6385
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
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I agree with the school.
I don’t see why you couldn’t just behave like this was pre-Covid and either pull your kid out of school early/send them late or just miss a day. It happens and it’s no big deal.
I am doing this but the point is why when they are online anyway? If child doesn’t have to miss work then why not let them.
If you feel that strongly about them not missing work, then just make the appointment for a evening/weekend/day off.
Believe me if I could I would be! My DS will have 4 dr appointments all during school on a weekday this month. none of them offer nights or weekend or I would take it cause I work and it’s really inconvenient for me to miss work to take him !
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
I do not think it is ridiculous, I agree with the schools policy.
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Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
Clearly, there are people taking advantage of the system. I agree with the school.
Also, what's the big deal if they get marked absent but complete the work- wouldn't that happen Pre-covid? I wouldn't be concerned that my child is marked absent, just that missed something (which they aren't if they log in and complete the work).
My child is fully remote- if she misses a session because of an appointment, it's marked that way. There are time I had my own appointments and no child care- I couldn't just pop her into class for that day. There was a day she didn't feel well, so she didn't log on during the day, but got her assignments and completed them- so she was marked absent, but caught up on work. What's the big deal? you can't use remote learning for your own convenience- those of that are fully remote do it for a specific reason.
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
When they asked parents to say if their child was going in person or staying remote for the remainder of the year our district implemented the same policy with the same rational. I have friends who drove to Florida for 2 weeks so one week spring break and one week of school in Florida to stay at their parent's Florida house. The district is furious that parents were doing this.
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BargainMama
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
I'm fortunate that I live in a district where it doesn't matter. Our secondary levels just went back to full time school after the break, but we can still do hybrid (every other in person), fully remote, or attend all day. If your child needs a day to stay home, they can log on and live learn that day also.
I don't know about anyone else's lunch situation. But, I kept my kid hybrid instead of everyday. They are in the same classroom all day...8th grade. They eat lunch in there, and they have to take turns eating by row, which is insane to me. Row 1 has to eat, while row 2 keeps their mask on. For whatever reason they allow the kids to VOTE on if they want to eat outside and majority rules. So they never go outside on these nice days we have had. Where everyone could spread out and eat at the same time. So I would rather my kid get to eat lunch in a human way at least every other day. Not to mention, wearing the mask ALL day long (and my kid is there until 430 for cheer practice...so I drive her back up there on her hybrid day)
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
Not to quote everyone but to answer some questions.
The same teacher is remote teaching and in person teaching so there will be no difference to her how many are remote or not remote. They do nothing different. I can not see any way the they will be inconvenient. Maybe we either have good teachers or really bad teachers but there is no difference when there is 5 or 20 kids that are remote when they cause I have seen both ways.
I get pre covid this wasn’t an option but now that there is why not allow it is my point? It’s there then people should be able to take advantage of it till it’s goes away.
Also I would be ok if they allowed it when they weren’t feeling well and dr appointments only but they still won’t give them credit and this is my biggest issue. Not so much wanting to go on vacation and having my kids still attend school.
My statement about being able to choose remote or in person anytime should be allowed to avoid quarantine I meant for example my DS is supposed to make
His communion let’s say June 12th (I don’t remember the real day). In order to avoid him missing his communion I would want to keep home remote for 10 days so there is no risk that he would be quarantined and have to miss his first communion.
Especially in our district since they tell the state whole class has to quarantine even if they still 18 feet away from the person.
Until mandatory quarantines are done all
Districts should allow a child to switch for remote if they can’t risk be quarantined because they don’t/can’t miss something they have going on outside of school. Cause the only contract tracing and having to quarantine as a result of contact tracing only happens in school or at work cause no one else is asking or reporting it!
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
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When they asked parents to say if their child was going in person or staying remote for the remainder of the year our district implemented the same policy with the same rational. I have friends who drove to Florida for 2 weeks so one week spring break and one week of school in Florida to stay at their parent's Florida house. The district is furious that parents were doing this.
Why are they furious who cares if they are getting their work done and not causing problems. A student who is full remote can do this and nothing would be said cause they probably wouldn’t even know!!!
As long as the teacher is doing remote anyway I don’t get why it would bother anyone. If the child is getting less of an education or not being able to do everything cause they are remote that’s on the kid and the parent and it’s their problem.
I work remote (even before all this). My job would not care nor have any idea where I am working from as long as I get my work done that’s all that matters!
In the long run I do get the other points I just personally don’t see it being a big issue!
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
We just have to hope that the all or nothing approach doesn't incentivize families to mask symptoms and send sick kids to school. Nothing should surprise us any more.
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
Posted by blu6385
Posted by LSP2005
When they asked parents to say if their child was going in person or staying remote for the remainder of the year our district implemented the same policy with the same rational. I have friends who drove to Florida for 2 weeks so one week spring break and one week of school in Florida to stay at their parent's Florida house. The district is furious that parents were doing this.
Why are they furious who cares if they are getting their work done and not causing problems. A student who is full remote can do this and nothing would be said cause they probably wouldn’t even know!!!
As long as the teacher is doing remote anyway I don’t get why it would bother anyone. If the child is getting less of an education or not being able to do everything cause they are remote that’s on the kid and the parent and it’s their problem.
I work remote (even before all this). My job would not care nor have any idea where I am working from as long as I get my work done that’s all that matters!
In the long run I do get the other points I just personally don’t see it being a big issue!
Here’s the thing though, most kids doing this are not being successful. The district needs to have strict guidelines because people are taking advantage of the system.
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
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Posted by blu6385
Posted by LSP2005
When they asked parents to say if their child was going in person or staying remote for the remainder of the year our district implemented the same policy with the same rational. I have friends who drove to Florida for 2 weeks so one week spring break and one week of school in Florida to stay at their parent's Florida house. The district is furious that parents were doing this.
Why are they furious who cares if they are getting their work done and not causing problems. A student who is full remote can do this and nothing would be said cause they probably wouldn’t even know!!!
As long as the teacher is doing remote anyway I don’t get why it would bother anyone. If the child is getting less of an education or not being able to do everything cause they are remote that’s on the kid and the parent and it’s their problem.
I work remote (even before all this). My job would not care nor have any idea where I am working from as long as I get my work done that’s all that matters!
In the long run I do get the other points I just personally don’t see it being a big issue!
Here’s the thing though, most kids doing this are not being successful. The district needs to have strict guidelines because people are taking advantage of the system.
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by blu6385
Posted by LSP2005
When they asked parents to say if their child was going in person or staying remote for the remainder of the year our district implemented the same policy with the same rational. I have friends who drove to Florida for 2 weeks so one week spring break and one week of school in Florida to stay at their parent's Florida house. The district is furious that parents were doing this.
Why are they furious who cares if they are getting their work done and not causing problems. A student who is full remote can do this and nothing would be said cause they probably wouldn’t even know!!!
As long as the teacher is doing remote anyway I don’t get why it would bother anyone. If the child is getting less of an education or not being able to do everything cause they are remote that’s on the kid and the parent and it’s their problem.
I work remote (even before all this). My job would not care nor have any idea where I am working from as long as I get my work done that’s all that matters!
In the long run I do get the other points I just personally don’t see it being a big issue!
Here’s the thing though, most kids doing this are not being successful. The district needs to have strict guidelines because people are taking advantage of the system.
Who says most kids aren't successful in learning remotely? I have quite a few friends who are remote only in our district, and have been very successful. My child has been successful doing every other day in person. It's highly dependent on the child and their home life IMO.
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
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We just have to hope that the all or nothing approach doesn't incentivize families to mask symptoms and send sick kids to school. Nothing should surprise us any more.
They still get credit if they go remote for covid symptoms, exposure, etc.
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
Posted by ali120206
Posted by seaside
We just have to hope that the all or nothing approach doesn't incentivize families to mask symptoms and send sick kids to school. Nothing should surprise us any more.
They still get credit if they go remote for covid symptoms, exposure, etc.
That should take care of that then; you're right.
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Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
I don't think it's a policy that should be abused. If the kid stays home because they want to hang in bed longer or the parents are constantly pulling them out for trips, then no, that's ridiculous. I don't even know how they could spend all day on zoom if they were on vacation?
If the kid is quarantined that's different. Though there is no remote instruction for quarantined kids in my district. If they are normally full time, they miss 10 days of school.
On the flip side, they forced this remote bs on us in the first place and now they want to complain that parents are taking advantage?
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Re: Does anyone else find this ridiculous... remote learning
Posted by seaside
Posted by ali120206
Posted by seaside
We just have to hope that the all or nothing approach doesn't incentivize families to mask symptoms and send sick kids to school. Nothing should surprise us any more.
They still get credit if they go remote for covid symptoms, exposure, etc.
That should take care of that then; you're right.
Yes, THAT'S why parents send kids to school sick. So they don't get marked absent.
Parents motrin their kids up so they can go to work.
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