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Liza, thank you for your post.

In general, I am not as concerned with Autism per se as I am with injecting a live virus into such a small child. I think that they are claiming there is a new strain of Chicken Pox which can cause encephalitis if untreated. I also do not agree with giving a baby the tdoes Baby G need it so soon for? My Dr actually said, "It is the only vaccine that prevents a cancer." Um, Ok. Not good enough for me sorry.

And the Rotovirus? The kid can't get the runs now without needing a shot? Seems odd to me.

I do know that there are cases of Measles, Whooping cough, menengitis, etc. I am not against all vaccines, but some of them just seem excessive IMO.

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We delayed a few. We also requested single dose vials and thimerisol free vaccines. HTH

ETA: We delayed the MMR (which we will split up and she will get it at age 2) and the chicken pox.

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well, I thought the RSV shot was only given to infants who were preemies??
Because they would be more at risk of the virus

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Ok What is the problem with the Rotarvirus vaccine? DD just had the vaccine last month, it was oral not a shot.

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I made sure that my docs did not use shots with mercury in them.

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I know and heard shots probably did not cause Autism...my point is they cannot say for a absolute positive fact they did not***
my brother also has MS.
I choose to do one shot a month and split the MMR. It cannot hurt. If God forbid then my kid gets Autism then I know it was not that and out of my control.
I just see no reason and pumping them with a multitude of diseases at once.
I was told my the doctor..the only reason why the shots are usually not split by a doctor is because its very expensive and they have to order a lot of them and its a money thing.
I will not do the MMR until after 2 and it will be split.
Forget Autism..where does MS come from? thats not a great shake either and they know not enough about it.

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Both my children have received all vaccinations at the suggested schedule. My oldest got his MMR in one dose at 18 months and his chicken pox vaccination at 2 years. I have no problem with the schedule set up by the pedi we use. Never more than 2 shots a visit. It has worked well for both my kids.

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thanks jeannine...I never would ever think there might be a correlation

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I know that alot of people think Chickenpox is just a normal childhood illness, but it can be more serious. I know the fatality rate is low, but it is still possible. It can also lead to shingles later in life which can be very serious and very painful, and long-lasting.

CDC site for Chickenpox

Another thing to think about is that when we were children, we received many more vaccines than our parents did. I don't think it means that medicine is going overboard, instead, they are makind advances to help more people.

Aside from this, my ped did give the vaccines more slowly, and always gives the thimerisol free vaccines. Marron did get the MMR at her 1 year check up. I considered delaying and/or splitting it up, but ended up going with the schedule.

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I recently found out that it is virtually impossible to get the MMR split even w/ scrips from the doctor requesting it.

Thimerisol and mercury aren't in the vaccines, so that's 2 fewer things to worry about.

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Ok What is the problem with the Rotarvirus vaccine? DD just had the vaccine last month, it was oral not a shot.

There is not a problem with it really, it just seems excessive to me, but that is my opinion. I would never tell someone else what to do with their child.

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I do not stress about this issue, I totally trust my ped and allow him to administer the shots as scheduled since Jacob was born.

I also do not think the vaccination theory really holds up either. A mother at my ped's office refused shots for her second daughter since her first daughter developed autism, and so the second daughter develped autism anyway. But in the meantime the second daughter wound up contracting measles while on vacation last summer and all patients that were in my ped's office the day that little girl was there getting diagnosed, had to be called back in STAT to be vaccinated if they hadnt been already. Jacob was one of them and I had to rush him in there for a vaccination and had to bring my immunization record to prove I had been vaccinated as well. It was all over the news, it was just a nightmare.

The board of health was notified and it was kinda scary.
So although people think some of these diseases are so rare these days, it can happen.

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I discussed the link of Autisim and MMR with my DR several times, and they feel strongly that one dosent cause the other (they actually said alot of what Liza said)...

I choose my ped. because I trust him (well alll of them) and he advised me to do it, on schedule, so I did....

MMR was the only shot he received that visit... And like all his other shots, they are thermisol and mercury free...

DS never got the chicken pox shot, he ended up getting the chicken pox a couple weeks before he was scheduled to get the vaccination... My Ped. told me I was better off that way... He said that SO often the children still end up with a mild dose, even w/ the vaccination!


I also want to add- that not only are you not allowed to attend school w/o chicken pox vac. but even at daycare- you are required to have the vac. at the age of 1

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i have been thinking of whether or not to post on this thread or not because i have VERY strong opinions on it.. but here goes.. i'll keep it light..
i have 2 children on the "autism spectrum".. my pediatric neurologist recently informed me that she would like my youngest ADOS tested because she thinks that he too could be. (although mild case of PDD--unconfirmed)..

so genetics..yes of course.. although i don't have any autism on my side and thier father doesn't either.. however, i do have dyslexia, bipolar and other psych illnesses in my family.

vaccines...who knows.. i too was on that kick and still am as my oldest was completely changed after the MMR.. yes, Liza, i know developmentally he was "at that age" ..

immune system.. GI problems?? ear infections.. now this is where i get really into it.. yes, my boys seem to have had weak immune systems as babies suffering from ear infection after ear infection... yes, there were GI problems.. for gods sake i had to give my oldest many an enema to make the poor baby even go!!

so here's what i believe for those who chose to keep reading. i believe children with autism are ultimately born with some kind of susceptibility to autism and related disorders... i believe their siblings are also born with that as well.. i do however believe in the environmental trigger.. could be vaccines.. or something else..
thimerisol is very dangerous... my son is 8 and got lots more than the little ones today..
my son also had alot of ear infections and was continually treated with Augmentin.. brand name for amoxicillin.. a fairly common drug they use to treat otitis.. anyway... when the drug is made it has a strong ammonia property.. i believe autistic kids do not excrete things like amonia and thimerisol adequately .. (this is why chelation therapy works sometimes.. it rids the body of toxic substances).. also it "damages" or "weaken" the gut.. (the augmentin) which is why i believe the gluten free diet works (it works to repair the gut)..
my story is (for my first) he had gotten the MMR at 15 months.. after that, he had gotten a fever of 105 which was pretty consistent for about 3 weeks.. in that time i was seen in the ER 3 times.. they prescribed amoxicillin for 10 days and when that didn't work augmentin for another 10.. i gave it too him in hopes it would clear up his diagnosed double ear infections .. he was never the same again..

so to close.. i don't know the cause of autism.. i would never profess to know something that can't be proven wrong or right even by professionals.. do i think it could be the combination of vaccines.. yes
augmentin...yes
who knows?
i split up my vaccines for Spencer (who by the way.. is dEFINITLY NOT autistic..)he's the first child i split up as i did not know half the stuff i know now back then with the other 2. i do not give ANY combination shots at all .. i break them up
to the previous posters...
yes there IS thimerisol in vaccines.. don't be fooled by everything you see and hear
no.. MMR is NOT the only vaccine with thimerisol in it..
Yes you absolutely can find the split up version of MMR.. my DR. gives it all the time.
sorry so long i could go on and on and on

oh yeah.. i wanted to add.. that this is just MY opinion.. as a parent who does alot of research and talking to people... including professionals.. i see both sides of the story..
and just because i am an RN.. i do NOT profess to have the KNOW on this

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It is so sad to have to worry about it, especially being a mother of a boy and autism being more common in boys. There are 101 different possibilities as to the increase in autism. I am just happy that celebrities are working hard to get more $$$ and research done. I hope the gov't listens and realizes this is an epidemic.

It is also very sad to me that these children who are diagnosed with autism receive the help they need during their school years, but once they are older and out of school, there really is not much help for them. It is up to the parents to care for their adult children. They are kind of "looked over".

Someone else mentioned on here the possible link between profession and autism and maybe their are exposed to something. Has anyone ever thought about the possible link between fertility treatments and autism? And this is just something I am throwing out, wondering if anyone has researched this or has any info. about it. If you think about it, more and more families are using fertility treatments to have children these days. IMO over the same course of time, it seems the autism rates have increased dramatically. Most of the fertility medication, such as clomid, state "do not use while pregnant, can cause birth defects." So if you can't use a medication while pregnant b/c it can cause birth defects, why would dr's prescribe the same medication to help a woman get pregnant? Wouldnt the drug be in your system when you conceive therefore harming the embryo?
Dr's recommend taking pre-natal vitamins before conception to help conceive a healthy child. So why would we pump our bodies full of possibly harmful chemicals that can pass to the embryo? I wonder if this is something that has been looked into or if dr's have ever considered this as a possibility.

ETA: I have read in a journal that the statistic 1:144 childen nationwide are diagnosed with autism is WRONG and is actually more like 1:7 in our area. When they did the study they only did it in 4 or 5 different states which is not an accurate nationwide sample. The study included New Jersey which happens to have one of the highest autism rates in the nation. I will try to find where I read this and post the link.

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Re: For those moms with concerns about link b/w autism and vaccinations

i seperated olivias MMR shot at her 15 month visit. she has had measles and mumps vaccinations so far. we have to go once a month instead of one shot. i didnt delay it to 2 years old i am doing it now.