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chilltocam
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FUMING right now! Final Update and pics in album
We hired a contractor to build a deck around our pool. Before we signed the contract we told him that we needed to have the work completed before 6/29. He said barring really bad weather that would delay his other jobs, it shouldn't be a problem. Signed the contract at the very end of May and he said he could do the work the 3rd week of June (again, barring weather related issues). We called him last week to see if he had a start date and said he would call back the next day to let us know. We didn't get a call, so DH called him a couple of days later and the guy went off on DH, saying he never made any promises (we know that) and he was really busy and didn't know when he would get to us - it got a little heated and they guy said he would give us our down payment back if we wanted. (And I know my DH, he is usually one to keep really calm and speak politely, even if he is really pi$$ed, so, even though I wasn't there, I know how he would handle this). They both calmed down and agreed to go forward with the job. We had to pick the color decking we wanted so the guy dropped of samples in our mailbox on Sunday with what seemed like a friendly note saying they would start the job on Tues (today). DH couldn't be here this morning, but I didn't think there would be a problem, that I could handle it. So the guy gets here with his crew and he starts in, right away, saying how he couldn't believe how my DH spoke to him, he works so hard, he's a professional and he knows that he said MAYBE he could do the job this week. I explained that it was our understanding that unless bad weather backed up his other jobs, our job would be done this week. He starts getting nasty so I just said, look, you're here to do this job (it will be a 3-4 day job), so why don't we make this as pleasant an experience as possible - for all of us. He continues being nasty, and says how another customer agreed to delay their job, even though his wife is having surgery this week (!?!?!?). I again said, lets just make this as pleasant as possible - your're here, are you going to do a professional job. He said of course I am, but if you want, I have my check book in the truck and can give you your down payment back. I said, no, I just want to make this as easy as possible for all of us and I want to make sure there won't be any problems. He said he will do a good job, but he was expecting an apology when he got here because he's been doing this for so many years,but what does he know, I must be right! When I said AGAIN, hey, its water under the bridge, lets just make this as pleasant as possible, he said why am I still talking?!!!! I stayed calm and repeated myself again asked him if I could show him where the underground electric wires for the pool run so that there won't dig them up. He said, I know how to find them. I said OK but showed him anyway. And then showed him where there is a cooler of waters and sodas for the guys and came in the house.
I am so angry and part of me knows I should tell them to leave, but I REALLY want this deck to be done (we were supposed to have it done last year and it didn't happen and if I send them away now, it will be months before someone else can come). This company had great reviews here and all over the internet. I guess I just needed to vent because I feel trapped and am shocked at the treatment from this guy.
ETA: Would you tell them to leave? Now I'm worried that they will do a sh$t job, but I really feel trapped and if I do tell them to leave, there's no way we will have a deck this summer (I know, not the end of the world, but I was so excited to finally be getting it done)
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Posted 6/24/14 10:40 AM |
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ISpoilHim
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FUMING right now!
personally, I would have cancelled the contract when he suggested the refund. It seems to me that he may not want to do the job or has gotten a better job available and may need to make them wait. I don't know. But I would be too worried about something being done wrong/going wrong, that I would have jumped at the chance to get out of it. I know it's frustrating when works gets delayed, but you want it done right and you want to be comfortable with the people working on your home.
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Posted 6/24/14 11:10 AM |
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Michele782
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Re: FUMING right now!
I would've told him to leave. Get your deposit back and move on. Doesn't sound like he wants to do the job.
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Posted 6/24/14 11:54 AM |
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MsSissy
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F*CK THAT! I wouldn't give that guy a penny. "Why am I still speaking"...WTF...no way I would still do business with someone like that!
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Posted 6/24/14 12:09 PM |
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Paramount
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"why are you still talking.."
THAT would set me off. Its like "your a woman and just don't know anything.
HOWEVER. Frankly? I would suck it up and let him do the deck. If it came down to apologizing I would EVEN do that. Reason? Get the deck done. If THAT is goal suck it up.
My Angies list review, on the other hand, would not be so nice.
What an a$$hole.
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Posted 6/24/14 12:27 PM |
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chilltocam
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Re: FUMING right now!
Posted by Paramount
"why are you still talking.."
THAT would set me off. Its like "your a woman and just don't know anything.
HOWEVER. Frankly? I would suck it up and let him do the deck. If it came down to apologizing I would EVEN do that. Reason? Get the deck done. If THAT is goal suck it up.
My Angies list review, on the other hand, would not be so nice.
What an a$$hole.
That's what really got me too! His attitude was, he's been doing this for so many years, so he KNOWS what he said. But, we - HE - added to the contract that barring any weather related issues, work was to be done this week (and he made a point of telling us that unless the weather is REALLY bad, they work through. And if I recall correctly, we have not had much really bad weather in the past few weeks). At this point I am resigned to sucking it up, but there will be many online reviews detailing his behavior. Now I just hope I can also write that despite his unprofessional attitude, his work was done professionally
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Posted 6/24/14 12:53 PM |
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Paramount
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Re: FUMING right now!
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by Paramount
"why are you still talking.."
THAT would set me off. Its like "your a woman and just don't know anything.
HOWEVER. Frankly? I would suck it up and let him do the deck. If it came down to apologizing I would EVEN do that. Reason? Get the deck done. If THAT is goal suck it up.
My Angies list review, on the other hand, would not be so nice.
What an a$$hole.
That's what really got me too! His attitude was, he's been doing this for so many years, so he KNOWS what he said. But, we - HE - added to the contract that barring any weather related issues, work was to be done this week (and he made a point of telling us that unless the weather is REALLY bad, they work through. And if I recall correctly, we have not had much really bad weather in the past few weeks). At this point I am resigned to sucking it up, but there will be many online reviews detailing his behavior. Now I just hope I can also write that despite his unprofessional attitude, his work was done professionally
And that is it. WHAT do you do? Do you send him home and have no deck, or suck it up even thought is a misogynistic a$$wipe?
ULTIMATLY my concern is the job. If he can be an A$$wipe but still get the job done, on time, and done well I would just suck it up, unfortunately.
if I thought the job would suffer I would have sent him away. But right now that does not seem to be the case.
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Posted 6/24/14 1:10 PM |
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jessnbrian
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The second he offered to give DH the deposit back I would have accepted and taken the money and run. Once the guy got nasty, I would expect a bad situation.
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Posted 6/24/14 2:23 PM |
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ave1024
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Unfortunately this is life when it comes to contractors in Long Island. There is apparently no shortage of work, even for the sh**ty contractors so these guys can realistically pick and choose the jobs they want to work. If they are putting you off, then they obviously have better more lucrative work lined up. Find another contractor.
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Posted 6/24/14 2:55 PM |
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chilltocam
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OMG -now I'm hysterical. They ended their work for the day and we had to talk about when they'd be back and I had a question about changing the railing. I figured he had the whole day to cool of and everything would be fine. When I asked about the price of the railing change he told me and then said for us it would be double and then was like Oh, well I'm a professional so I'll do it for my regular price - like it was some big favor! I asked him many times what happened to make this go so off course and he started being really condescending to me. As you can imagine, things went south from there and he stormed off saying he's not coming back. I'm so f'n pi$$ed off - should have listened to my gut this morning
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Posted 6/24/14 4:06 PM |
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jessnbrian
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FUMING right now! UPDATE below (it ain't pretty)
First, take a deep breath. Second, discuss when your DH gets home, because honestly, I would NOT want this guy back in my house or on my property. Third, if he does NOT return, assess how much you've paid as a down payment, how much work he's done already, and if there's any need for a refund (if it's even worth it for you to try to fight for, because I'm SURE it will be a fight). Last, get a new contractor in to finish the job.
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Posted 6/24/14 4:08 PM |
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chilltocam
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Re: FUMING right now! UPDATE below (it ain't pretty)
Posted by jessnbrian
First, take a deep breath. Second, discuss when your DH gets home, because honestly, I would NOT want this guy back in my house or on my property. Third, if he does NOT return, assess how much you've paid as a down payment, how much work he's done already, and if there's any need for a refund (if it's even worth it for you to try to fight for, because I'm SURE it will be a fight). Last, get a new contractor in to finish the job.
Yeah - I'm pretty sure that the work he did today is at least equivalent to our down payment - or at least close enough. I also spoke to my brother who has a friend in the business (wish I had known that before), so he's going to see if the friend can finish the job.
It just kills me because as much of an ass as this guy was, I was SO calm and respectful because I didn't want this to blow up.
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Posted 6/24/14 4:15 PM |
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jessnbrian
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Re: FUMING right now! UPDATE below (it ain't pretty)
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by jessnbrian
First, take a deep breath. Second, discuss when your DH gets home, because honestly, I would NOT want this guy back in my house or on my property. Third, if he does NOT return, assess how much you've paid as a down payment, how much work he's done already, and if there's any need for a refund (if it's even worth it for you to try to fight for, because I'm SURE it will be a fight). Last, get a new contractor in to finish the job.
Yeah - I'm pretty sure that the work he did today is at least equivalent to our down payment - or at least close enough. I also spoke to my brother who has a friend in the business (wish I had known that before), so he's going to see if the friend can finish the job.
It just kills me because as much of an ass as this guy was, I was SO calm and respectful because I didn't want this to blow up.
Some people are just a$$----'s! Don't take it personally, obviously he was just itching for a fight. Honestly, if I were you, I'd take it to Angie's List & here and make sure people knew what company this was so that they wouldn't have to deal with him too - I actually applaud you for having kept their identity secret! I would just let it be at this point and cut your losses, it's so not worth dealing with this guy for a second longer.
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Posted 6/24/14 4:55 PM |
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Posted by chilltocam
It just kills me because as much of an ass as this guy was, I was SO calm and respectful because I didn't want this to blow up.
It wasn't YOU it was him. He had a huge chip on his shoulder before he got there because of the situation with your husband.
Sounds like he just wanted to confront him and was probably steaming the whole day because he didn't get the chance to do it.
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Posted 6/24/14 5:05 PM |
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jessnbrian
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If I were to guess (not that this excuses his behavior), he over extended himself and is upset with his wife's surgery. It sounds like instead of being professional and a big boy about it and saying honestly that he had to cancel the job and give back your money, he decided to be a jerk about it all and get fired after doing a sh!tty day's work and giving you a hard time. It's unfortunate because I'm sure that if 2 weeks ago, or even last week when your DH spoke with him, he had just said look I'm sorry, my wife needs surgery next week that I did not know about until just now I can't take on the job, I'll give you a full refund of your deposit, etc., things would have been MUCH easier.
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Posted 6/24/14 5:10 PM |
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The fact that he offered you your deposit makes me think he is over whelmed with worked and wanted you to back out as opposed to him turning it down.
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Posted 6/24/14 7:52 PM |
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I'm sorry you are dealing with this.
He really sounds like he is a fly by night with no business sense.
I give you credit for not blasting him on here as well.
DH has been doing this kind of work for 10 years and only has one really horrendous story of a customer who was not understanding and honestly, it had nothing to do with extending dates.
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Posted 6/24/14 10:03 PM |
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Suffolk county department of consumer affairs is your friend. Make a complaint.
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Posted 6/25/14 6:24 AM |
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I would have asked him to leave. I wouldn't trust him at all after his conversation with dh and then the way he spoke to you. Bye bye.
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Posted 6/25/14 7:37 AM |
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Melmel821
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Re: FUMING right now! UPDATE below (it ain't pretty)
Such a difficult position because you were hoping to have the work done by a certain time and he agreed to try. He is NOT professional acting like this. A professional would want the job, speak respectfully and do the job. I would definitely file complaints, especially with Angie's list. And take pictures of the work not being completed!
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Posted 6/25/14 7:38 AM |
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Re: FUMING right now! UPDATE below (it ain't pretty)
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I would have asked him to leave. I wouldn't trust him at all after his conversation with dh and then the way he spoke to you. Bye bye.
I agree! I've thrown people out of my house before. I don't need to be degraded in my own home!
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Posted 6/25/14 7:38 AM |
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chilltocam
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Posted by MorningCuppaCoffee
I'm sorry you are dealing with this.
He really sounds like he is a fly by night with no business sense.
I give you credit for not blasting him on here as well.
DH has been doing this kind of work for 10 years and only has one really horrendous story of a customer who was not understanding and honestly, it had nothing to do with extending dates.
Thing is, he is not a "fly by night" - he's been in business over 40 yrs, has a few big trucks with the company name all over them, etc. So, even though he and DH did not have the best of conversations, (and DH really thought everything was fine by the end of it), I figured all would be fine yesterday. When he arrived with an attitude (and expecting an apology?) I tried really hard to just smooth everything over - which I thought was the best thing to do. Then, even after a full day of work, he was still angry - saying he has never dealt with people like us. So, I guess he's never dealt with someone who spoke to him calmly and respectfully despite his rantings. (And I SWEAR, I was super calm and respectful, despite his complete rudeness). I didn't even get into half of the things he said here.
We have had many many contractors do work in our home in the past 2 1/2 yrs and have never had any kind of problem. I'm still in shock over what happened - partly because I don't even know what happened to make things go so of track.
DH is convinced he will be back tomorrow. I really don't think so (they are supposed to drop off the decking material later today and finish the work tomorrow, so we'll see what happens, but I don't think we'll ever see him again. And not that I want to see him again, but I know its going to be nearly impossible to get someone in to finish a job that someone else started. Ugh!
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Posted 6/25/14 10:45 AM |
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I'd tell him you want your money back, I wouldn't deal with that crap.
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Posted 6/25/14 11:40 AM |
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chilltocam
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Posted by OnlyU12
I'd tell him you want your money back, I wouldn't deal with that crap.
Well, when DH got home, he said the work that was done yesterday was way more $$ than the down payment (it was less than 10% of the total cost of the job). So, now just waiting to see if the decking gets dropped in our driveway this afternoon. I just think it's going to be really difficult to get someone else in to finish the job
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Posted 6/25/14 11:48 AM |
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That is just terrible customer service. I cannot believe a so-called professional would behave that way. I would tell him his services aren't needed anymore and hire someone new. Sorry you had a bad experience.
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Posted 6/25/14 11:59 AM |
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