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jasmine
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
I think the 9/11 first-responders should get the proper care... and I am saddened that it's being treated as political leverage.
I also think that a lot of comments in this thread are off-point because the Dems want the tax cuts for people making < $250k so it would cover the "family in Alabama" and the "120k family on LI' and the other joe the plumbers referenced in this thread.
Furthermore, while I believe that 250k in NYC/LI/Cali is nowhere near the same as 250k in Idaho, it's not really 250k. It's 250k taxable income... most with 250k taxable income are probably maxing out 401k, taking other deductions and probably make 300k+. I personally think the cutoff should be 500k to take into account that 250k is more like upper-middle class in many areas v. and not the uber-rich.
Sure it will be nice to have a few extra thou in my pocket for the next two years, but as someone from a household making < 250k TOTAL, not taxable income, I'd still be OK with my taxes going up somewhat if it was funding worthwhile programs and helping out those who NEED IT, like the 9-11 first responders.
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Posted by jasmine
I think the 9/11 first-responders should get the proper care... and I am saddened that it's being treated as political leverage.
I also think that a lot of comments in this thread are off-point because the Dems want the tax cuts for people making < $250k so it would cover the "family in Alabama" and the "120k family on LI' and the other joe the plumbers referenced in this thread.
Furthermore, while I believe that 250k in NYC/LI/Cali is nowhere near the same as 250k in Idaho, it's not really 250k. It's 250k taxable income... most with 250k taxable income are probably maxing out 401k, taking other deductions and probably make 300k+. I personally think the cutoff should be 500k to take into account that 250k is more like upper-middle class in many areas v. and not the uber-rich.
Sure it will be nice to have a few extra thou in my pocket for the next two years, but as someone from a household making < 250k TOTAL, not taxable income, I'd still be OK with my taxes going up somewhat if it was funding worthwhile programs and helping out those who NEED IT, like the 9-11 first responders.
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This. Right here. Thank you.
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JenniferEver
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
If you know me or have read my posts you know exactly where I stand on this.
I make WAY less than $250K, I have way less to deduct or shelter in any way shape or form than wealthier people do. I would not mind letting the Bush tax cuts expire for everyone.
What I don't understand about the GOP, and specially the Tea party arm is how they can complain so much about the deficit, but be completely unwilling to pay their share, or have the wealthiest among us pay their fair share. We had these tax cuts through 2 wars, something had to give. It's time to pay for it
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| Posted 12/10/10 5:41 PM |
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ave1024
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Posted by JenniferEver
What I don't understand about the GOP, and specially the Tea party arm is how they can complain so much about the deficit, but be completely unwilling to pay their share, or have the wealthiest among us pay their fair share.
The wealthiest pay their share. A higher pecentage than anybody else. What's the problem? How much are you expecting them to pay? They already pay more than anybody else.
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MrsKS
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Posted by Kate
This makes me so angry, and I am a conservative. Does anyone know why the GOP opposed this? Are there other things attached to the bill that they object to?
I don't know if someone already answered this for you.. but I read today that the republicans vowed to not pass ANY bill until the "millionaire tax cut bill" or the "Zadroga bill" whichever you prefer to call it... is passed; because it's due to expire in 3 weeks.
It's disturbing though because I'm pretty sure this was the last chance for the 911 health care bill to be passed in this manner. They would have to go about it differently now.
I don't think the tax bill should hinder other important bills at all. It's disturbing. And I also think that the HEALTH and LIVES of these people are FAR more valuable than saving tax dollars for people... no matter who whose people are!!
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Little-J-Mommy
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Zadroga IS the 9/11 bill. You're confusing the 2 
From what I understand, and I could be wrong....is that one Dem changed his vote at the last minute so they would be able to bring this to vote one more time.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
eta: the bill was named for James Zadroga, an NYPD fficer who died from respiratory disease directly related to working at ground zero following the attacks
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MrsKS
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
Zadroga IS the 9/11 bill. You're confusing the 2
From what I understand, and I could be wrong....is that one Dem changed his vote at the last minute so they would be able to bring this to vote one more time.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
eta: the bill was named for James Zadroga, an NYPD fficer who died from respiratory disease directly related to working at ground zero following the attacks
OH OK about the name of the bills. Thank you for that info.
Either way... I did not read that (what you wrote) in the paper... it specifically said that 41 republicans did not vote for it because they vowed to not pass any bills until the tax cut bill is passed. that was in today's AM NY.... which is generally unbiased.
I don't see WHY in the world ONE dem would CHANGE his vote to be able to bring it to vote one more time. I'm sorry, this just doesn't make any sense to me.
The overall votes lost by more than just one vote too... I think they had 57 votes for yes and needed 60. 42 in total voted NO... 41 of them were the republicans who made that vow.
ETA: this isn't from the paper I read... it's the wall st journal I believe... but it states the same exact info I read elsewhere...
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MrsKS
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
 
clearly I didn't read this thread before I responded with "IDK if anyone answered this for you yet.... but"...
ah haha.. I didn't realize there was like a 6 pg thread going on.
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| Posted 12/10/10 7:21 PM |
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MrsKS
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
Again, what baffles me is how anyone could be OK with the legitimacy/enactment of Zadroga being dependent on the outcome of tax issues.
It's a sad day in this nation where people's health is being used as a bargaining chip
ITA!!!!
I can't believe that the LIVES and HEALTH of these people who ran in to SAVE others are being put up as ammo to get ANOTHER UNRELATED bill passed. It's disturbing.... and it's just like saying these tax cuts are worth more than these peoples lives, which is just 
This is a piss poor way of negotiating.
It actually makes me sick to say I'm a part of this country.  
ETA: I think we should start a humanist party.... made up of people who don't give a **** about petty democrat vs republican bs; instead they do what's right for other people and stop worrying so damn much about their own pockets!!!
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luckyinlove
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Great point -- thank you for posting! 
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| Posted 12/10/10 9:06 PM |
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ChilisWife
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
This post offends me in so many ways. Of course it's horrible that the 9/11 responders don't get whatever care they need. They should get it. But....guess what? Republicans aren't responsible for all the problems in this world! Neither are wealthy people. Guess what else? Paying more taxes to a government that throws them away on crap doesn't solve all the problems in the world either! I am SO SICK of it being politically incorrect to be a Republican.
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MrsKS
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Posted by ChilisWife
This post offends me in so many ways. Of course it's horrible that the 9/11 responders don't get whatever care they need. They should get it. But....guess what? Republicans aren't responsible for all the problems in this world! Neither are wealthy people. Guess what else? Paying more taxes to a government that throws them away on crap doesn't solve all the problems in the world either! I am SO SICK of it being politically incorrect to be a Republican.
i don't think they are responsible for all the problems in the world. But in THIS PARTICULAR case they are the ones who voted NO. that's the bottom line with THIS BILL. Had it been the democrats who voted no... everyone would have shiz to say about the demo's too.. just like they do about the republican's now. To me... i don't care WHO voted no ... just the sheer fact that 42 people voted no to it bothers me!!!
I don't think it's politically incorrect to be a republican either. I don't think it's politically incorrect to be a democrat.
Honestly... I don't believe much in either party... I believe in voting for things that are right because they are right... not because they are from the same party as you. I think that's the largest issue here... too many people just want to stick to either the red or blue side... just because that's what they are registered as or what they consider themselves to be... I feel like sometimes people lose sight of the fact that we are all the same... we are all humans and we need to bring the focus back to making the entire country better as a whole.
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Little-J-Mommy
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Posted by ChilisWife
This post offends me in so many ways. Of course it's horrible that the 9/11 responders don't get whatever care they need. They should get it. But....guess what? Republicans aren't responsible for all the problems in this world! Neither are wealthy people. Guess what else? Paying more taxes to a government that throws them away on crap doesn't solve all the problems in the world either! I am SO SICK of it being politically incorrect to be a Republican.
make sure you remember how offended you are right now when you find yourself in need of a first responder. Then spit in their face AFTER they help you. Then you'll be following along the pretty footprints of your cherished republican party
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| Posted 12/10/10 9:33 PM |
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
Posted by ChilisWife
This post offends me in so many ways. Of course it's horrible that the 9/11 responders don't get whatever care they need. They should get it. But....guess what? Republicans aren't responsible for all the problems in this world! Neither are wealthy people. Guess what else? Paying more taxes to a government that throws them away on crap doesn't solve all the problems in the world either! I am SO SICK of it being politically incorrect to be a Republican.
make sure you remember how offended you are right now when you find yourself in need of a first responder. Then spit in their face AFTER they help you. Then you'll be following along the pretty footprints of your cherished republican party
I really don't ever get involved in debates on this site... but I don't think her post warranted this response. Just my opinion.
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| Posted 12/10/10 9:38 PM |
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Mill188
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Let me start off by saying that I am neither a Republican or a Democrat.
I am a HUMAN.
Both political parties are to blame for the mess we're in now. Yes, the Obama admin is cleaning up the mess left by the Bush admin. However, part of the subprime mortgage collapse and the war on terror can be linked directly to Clinton and his deregulation of the banking industry and his failure to respond with force to the bombings on the US Embassy and the USS Cole. (I say this as a firm Clinton supporter.)
We need to get rid of both parties and start over - neither side delivers what they promise.
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MrsKS
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Posted by Mill188
Let me start off by saying that I am neither a Republican or a Democrat.
I am a HUMAN.
Both political parties are to blame for the mess we're in now. Yes, the Obama admin is cleaning up the mess left by the Bush admin. However, part of the subprime mortgage collapse and the war on terror can be linked directly to Clinton and his deregulation of the banking industry and his failure to respond with force to the bombings on the US Embassy and the USS Cole. (I say this as a firm Clinton supporter.)
We need to get rid of both parties and start over - neither side delivers what they promise.
this is what I believe as well and have been saying!!!
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
Posted by ChilisWife
This post offends me in so many ways. Of course it's horrible that the 9/11 responders don't get whatever care they need. They should get it. But....guess what? Republicans aren't responsible for all the problems in this world! Neither are wealthy people. Guess what else? Paying more taxes to a government that throws them away on crap doesn't solve all the problems in the world either! I am SO SICK of it being politically incorrect to be a Republican.
make sure you remember how offended you are right now when you find yourself in need of a first responder. Then spit in their face AFTER they help you. Then you'll be following along the pretty footprints of your cherished republican party
I understand that you are upset by the vote and I do sincerely wish that the volunteers get the medical help they deserve. However, I think that was a really inappropriate and nasty response to the above poster who only expressed her opinion.
People are allowed to disagree without having it turn nasty. I know this is very personal for you but attacking other posters for expressing opinions isn't the way to go IMO.
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| Posted 12/10/10 10:15 PM |
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Posted by stickydust
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
Posted by ChilisWife
This post offends me in so many ways. Of course it's horrible that the 9/11 responders don't get whatever care they need. They should get it. But....guess what? Republicans aren't responsible for all the problems in this world! Neither are wealthy people. Guess what else? Paying more taxes to a government that throws them away on crap doesn't solve all the problems in the world either! I am SO SICK of it being politically incorrect to be a Republican.
make sure you remember how offended you are right now when you find yourself in need of a first responder. Then spit in their face AFTER they help you. Then you'll be following along the pretty footprints of your cherished republican party
I understand that you are upset by the vote and I do sincerely wish that the volunteers get the medical help they deserve. However, I think that was a really inappropriate and nasty response to the above poster who only expressed her opinion.
People are allowed to disagree without having it turn nasty. I know this is very personal for you but attacking other posters for expressing opinions isn't the way to go IMO.
I agree
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Posted by Mill188
Both political parties are to blame for the mess we're in now. Yes, the Obama admin is cleaning up the mess left by the Bush admin. However, part of the subprime mortgage collapse and the war on terror can be linked directly to Clinton and his deregulation of the banking industry and his failure to respond with force to the bombings on the US Embassy and the USS Cole. (I say this as a firm Clinton supporter.)
We need to get rid of both parties and start over - neither side delivers what they promise.
Well said!
I really just don't think this system works for our country- and don't think it will get better anytime soon, no matter who's in office.
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| Posted 12/10/10 10:21 PM |
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ave1024
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Posted by Mill188
Let me start off by saying that I am neither a Republican or a Democrat.
I am a HUMAN.
Both political parties are to blame for the mess we're in now. Yes, the Obama admin is cleaning up the mess left by the Bush admin. However, part of the subprime mortgage collapse and the war on terror can be linked directly to Clinton and his deregulation of the banking industry and his failure to respond with force to the bombings on the US Embassy and the USS Cole. (I say this as a firm Clinton supporter.)
We need to get rid of both parties and start over - neither side delivers what they promise.
Don't forget the first WTC attack.
Many people want to blame Bush for what happened on 9.11, saying it happened on "his watch". However it was good ole' Bill Clinton that really allowed the terrorists to run amuck and plan that brutal attack. People say Bush was fighting the wrong war in Iraq. Well Clinton had absolutely ZERO response to any of those attacks under his watch.
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Little-J-Mommy
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Posted by stickydust
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
Posted by ChilisWife
This post offends me in so many ways. Of course it's horrible that the 9/11 responders don't get whatever care they need. They should get it. But....guess what? Republicans aren't responsible for all the problems in this world! Neither are wealthy people. Guess what else? Paying more taxes to a government that throws them away on crap doesn't solve all the problems in the world either! I am SO SICK of it being politically incorrect to be a Republican.
make sure you remember how offended you are right now when you find yourself in need of a first responder. Then spit in their face AFTER they help you. Then you'll be following along the pretty footprints of your cherished republican party
I understand that you are upset by the vote and I do sincerely wish that the volunteers get the medical help they deserve. However, I think that was a really inappropriate and nasty response to the above poster who only expressed her opinion.
People are allowed to disagree without having it turn nasty. I know this is very personal for you but attacking other posters for expressing opinions isn't the way to go IMO.
You're right. I guess no one else was reading the "Guess What's" with the snarkiness that I did. Sorry if I offended anyone with my last response and maybe it's too close to home for me, but of all the things said in this thread, for my original post to be the one she finds "offensive in so many ways" deeply offended me.
I should've just turned away and said nothing at all. just like they want us to
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| Posted 12/10/10 10:37 PM |
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Posted by stickydust
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
Posted by ChilisWife
This post offends me in so many ways. Of course it's horrible that the 9/11 responders don't get whatever care they need. They should get it. But....guess what? Republicans aren't responsible for all the problems in this world! Neither are wealthy people. Guess what else? Paying more taxes to a government that throws them away on crap doesn't solve all the problems in the world either! I am SO SICK of it being politically incorrect to be a Republican.
make sure you remember how offended you are right now when you find yourself in need of a first responder. Then spit in their face AFTER they help you. Then you'll be following along the pretty footprints of your cherished republican party
I understand that you are upset by the vote and I do sincerely wish that the volunteers get the medical help they deserve. However, I think that was a really inappropriate and nasty response to the above poster who only expressed her opinion.
People are allowed to disagree without having it turn nasty. I know this is very personal for you but attacking other posters for expressing opinions isn't the way to go IMO.
I totally agree.
We get it. You were at the WTC site. You have health issues. We respect your service.
However, you should be happy that they are even CONSIDERING extending these benefits to 9.11 first responders. As an emergency worker, surely you were briefed that being placed in a potentially dangerous situation was part of the job of being in emergency service... right?
IMO extending these benefits to first reponders is almost a slap in the face to any fireman, police officer, EMT, or anybody that was either critically injured or died on the job (outside of 9.11). People who were first responders get extra benefits. What do emergency service people who got seriously injured on the job (but not on 9.11) get?
People are ALLOWED to diagree with this bill without being "unloaded on".
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SweetTooth
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
This country should have listened to George Washington when he warned against the creation of political parties. He knew this would happen, he outlined it in his farewell address.
It is truly sad what has happened to our country.
It is sad that partisan issues can't be put aside to do the right thing.
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ave1024
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Let me also add that I actually do believe this 9.11 bill will get passed, because there is no way in hell the Democrats will continue to vote down the tax cuts.
Every Democrat in the house and senate who is up for re-election in 2012 will get SLAUGHTERED if they vote against these tax cuts. If Obama thinks his party got killed in the mid-term elections, he has NO IDEA what will happen to his Democrats if they allow these tax cuts to expire.
Once the tax cuts get extended, you will see the GOP change their NAY votes to YAY for the 9.11 bill.
So I think this will all be a moot point in the end (at least I hope so). It's a political game of chicken IMO.
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| Posted 12/10/10 10:51 PM |
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Re: "HEY 9/11 HEROES. GO EFF YOURSELVES!" Sincerely, the GOP.
Posted by ChilisWife
This post offends me in so many ways. Of course it's horrible that the 9/11 responders don't get whatever care they need. They should get it. But....guess what? Republicans aren't responsible for all the problems in this world! Neither are wealthy people. Guess what else? Paying more taxes to a government that throws them away on crap doesn't solve all the problems in the world either! I am SO SICK of it being politically incorrect to be a Republican.
I am not sure why you're "offended in so many ways" by the OP. Republicans have admitted that they blocked the bill until the tax cut bill is passed and OP is, in my view, properly upset with it. Perhaps you are upset with some of the other comments made here but OP's post taking the GOP to task for their behavior on particular issue is a fair criticism.
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