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Goldi0218
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
Posted by JenniferEver
A few things
1) Does JPG even make clothes in size 20?
2) It's not fair to say it's unhealthy to show size 0 or size 20 girls on the runway. You can't make assumptions about people's health.
I find it sort of offensive that people are saying "oh it's a bad example to put someone obese/anorexic on the runway"
Not all thin people are anorexic and not all "obese" people are unhealthy.
I think all body types are beautiful. I wish all designers would make clothes for people of all sizes, and show people of different sizes on the runway, it's the challenge for the designer to make the clothes look good on everyone.
In response to your first question, no I do not think JPG makes clothing in a size 20.
I would also agree with your views on health based on size.
I would ONLY find it offensive to put obese or anorexic models on a runway to make a point. Like I said twice before, if JPG had a line of clothing for plus sized women or if his collections DID go up to a size 20, then that model in the picture would accurately represent a part the population of people he is trying to sell his clothing line to. If not, she is being exploited and I find that offensive.
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
Jenn...
you are taking what i said out of context
what i said was if it is bad to allow anorecic LOOKING people on the runways...
then it is just as bad as having obese people..
and not for nothing...OBESE actually IMPLIES unhealthy in my book
ETA...and not for nothing i have said for months now that people should stop posting about the health or lack there of based on size...
no we do not know if someone really thin is anorexic...i think it is ignorant to say such a thing
I do not think we should judge people heavier in weight as well
but i must say...Obese is not healthy by any means...
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
Posted by Goldi0218
In response to your first question, no I do not think JPG makes clothing in a size 20.
I would also agree with your views on health based on size.
I would ONLY find it offensive to put obese or anorexic models on a runway to make a point. Like I said twice before, if JPG had a line of clothing for plus sized women or if his collections DID go up to a size 20, then that model in the picture would accurately represent a part the population of people he is trying to sell his clothing line to. If not, she is being exploited and I find that offensive.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
It's pretty stupid to have any models model clothing that doesn't even come in their size, be it too big or too small.
obesity is based on numbers. there are some people who are perfectly healthy and even look "Average" but are medically obese. I just don't think that putting heavy models on the runway encourages an unhealthy lifestyle.
it's the flipside of the size 0 argument
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
underweight...and overweight are considered not healthy in both respects
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| Posted 10/4/06 10:59 PM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
Posted by Redhead
underweight...and overweight are considered not healthy in both respects
I know this isn't what you're saying, but you can exten the argument to say we can't show any tan models on the runway because tanning is unhealthy. I don't think it necessarily needs to be an issue
ETA: The whole model lifestyle is unhealthy.
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
Posted by JenniferEver
there are some people who are perfectly healthy and even look "Average" but are medically obese.
I'm not sure I understand. By definition obese is excessive body fat - which we all can agree (I hope) that anything in excess is unhealthy.
I'm not sure how someone could be perfectly healthy AND medically obese?
Here's another definition:
Obesity is the condition of having an excessive accumulation of fat in the body, resulting in a body weight more than 20% above the average for height, age, sex, and body type, and in elevated risk of disability, illness, and death.
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| Posted 10/4/06 11:04 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by Redhead
underweight...and overweight are considered not healthy in both respects
I know this isn't what you're saying, but you can exten the argument to say we can't show any tan models on the runway because tanning is unhealthy. I don't think it necessarily needs to be an issue
ETA: The whole model lifestyle is unhealthy.
see i am not saying what is right or wrong in any sense of the word
and i think that is what brings us back tot he crux of the thread
this is JPG reaction to our society's thoughts on using thin models on the runways..and them feeling that there should be healthier models as opposed to what they feel are sickly anorexic models...
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
AND there have been thread after thread of peeps here CRITICIZING the thin models...and celebs
NOW low and behold...here is the polar opposite...
point being made is by the reactions JPG thinks the public would have when seeing said model...
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| Posted 10/4/06 11:09 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
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that model clearly has no morals. then again, that picture could end up making her career.
OMG how can you possibly judge the model's morals? Whoa! 
I didn't get that either 
I dont necessarily agree but I think she is implying that the model sold herself out to make money and get attention
THANK YOU! that's exactly what I meant. she was totally exploited. and like I said... this could very well make her into a star.
but yes, my point WAS - sell out!
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
THANK YOU! that's exactly what I meant. she was totally exploited. and like I said... this could very well make her into a star.
but yes, my point WAS - sell out!
What makes her a sell out?
We don't even know her views on the whole model-weight/size issue!
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| Posted 10/5/06 9:48 AM |
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
THANK YOU! that's exactly what I meant. she was totally exploited. and like I said... this could very well make her into a star.
but yes, my point WAS - sell out!
What makes her a sell out?
We don't even know her views on the whole model-weight/size issue!
this is my last post on this topic. it is *my* opinion that she sold out by wearing that in the company of size 0 models who were in regular street clothing. her SOLE purpose for being there was to be JPG's joke.
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
Posted by Chatham-Chick
What makes her a sell out?
We don't even know her views on the whole model-weight/size issue!
You just couldn't resist 
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
Posted by Colleen9304
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What makes her a sell out?
We don't even know her views on the whole model-weight/size issue!
You just couldn't resist
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Ophelia
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
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Posted by SweetestOfPeas
THANK YOU! that's exactly what I meant. she was totally exploited. and like I said... this could very well make her into a star.
but yes, my point WAS - sell out!
What makes her a sell out?
We don't even know her views on the whole model-weight/size issue!
this is my last post on this topic. it is *my* opinion that she sold out by wearing that in the company of size 0 models who were in regular street clothing. her SOLE purpose for being there was to be JPG's joke.
no offense, but what is your "opinion" based on. I just think it's pretty unfair for you to opinionize about a person's character based on a picture....her health..eating habits...things you could MAYBE speculate on from a visual, sure, but it's kind of off base to say something about someone's inside based on what you see on the outside.
anyway....JPG is still an AZZ...and that is the point of this thread.
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
Posted by MrsPorkChop
shes certainly a beautiful girl
but that outfit on her is horrible
i agree that regular sized women should be in the shows- specifically to show how new lines of clothing look on the typical consumer
so i applaud him! i justthink that outfit on her is ridiculous and ill fitting
I agree
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
Love it! I thinkt that's AWESOME!
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
I haven't read this entire thread...but I'll give you my gut reaction to what I believe is the statement JPG is trying to make with this model.
I think he is offended by the possibility of the government dictating what size models should be and he offered this sarcastic response. Rather that a size 0 or 2, he put the other extreme. She is the "token" heavy model. The model is obese and I think she looks ridiculous in that outfit. It is not flattering on her at all. Even her hair and the expression on her face are terrible (IMO).
If he was serious about offering an alternative look to the typical skinny model controversy, he would not have put in an obese model. He would have put in an average size model or even an obese model in an outfit that was flattering on her.
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
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As for JPG's reasoning, I think it was a big FU. Looks to me he was trying to show that a plus-size woman isn't as appealing on the runway as the skinny models. (And he obviously exagerrated his statement by using a larger model instead of an average sized model.)
My thoughts exactly
Just read this....I totally agree. Much better put than what I just said.
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
this is my last post on this topic. it is *my* opinion that she sold out by wearing that in the company of size 0 models who were in regular street clothing. her SOLE purpose for being there was to be JPG's joke.
First of all, I don't think this was meant to be a "joke" per se. It was a statement.
JPG is an artist (or at least he views himself as one). No artist wants to be told how they should present their work, in this case models on a runway displaying a designer's collection.
I don't know if you're familiar with JPG's collections, but odds are, the model would have looked ridiculous to most in any of his designs, not just the bustier. (again, we've been conditioned that skinnier models look better in the absurd.) JPG is not exactly known for his "conservative" and/or "classic" attire.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
Not that I love this thread, but how someone can be technically obese and looka verage and be healthy is that it's based on weight range charts, if you're a certain amount above those charts, you're obese, and that's not alwyas the case. For example, my dad's family is really tall and in addition has MASSIVE bone structure. My cousin is VERY thin, but even by charts for her height would probably be considered obese.
Also, for men it is different, but based on my dad's height the charts said 180-205 or something was his weight range. He was around 250 and he lost a lot of weight, and at 225 (20 lbs above the top of the average) he looked sickly. So technically, being 30lbs overweight at 235 he was "obese" he looked normal and was healthy
Just to clarify
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
Posted by JenniferEver
Not that I love this thread, but how someone can be technically obese and looka verage and be healthy is that it's based on weight range charts, if you're a certain amount above those charts, you're obese, and that's not alwyas the case. For example, my dad's family is really tall and in addition has MASSIVE bone structure. My cousin is VERY thin, but even by charts for her height would probably be considered obese.
Also, for men it is different, but based on my dad's height the charts said 180-205 or something was his weight range. He was around 250 and he lost a lot of weight, and at 225 (20 lbs above the top of the average) he looked sickly. So technically, being 30lbs overweight at 235 he was "obese" he looked normal and was healthy
Just to clarify
Being medically obese has to do with BMI...AND having a propensity for diabetes, heart disease, etc.
Medically Obese isn't the same thing as someone saying "you look obese".
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JenniferEver
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
I'm just saying being obses IS based on BMI, which is based on a weight/height ratio that doesn't apply to everyone.
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Ophelia
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
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Posted by JenniferEver
Not that I love this thread, but how someone can be technically obese and looka verage and be healthy is that it's based on weight range charts, if you're a certain amount above those charts, you're obese, and that's not alwyas the case. For example, my dad's family is really tall and in addition has MASSIVE bone structure. My cousin is VERY thin, but even by charts for her height would probably be considered obese.
Also, for men it is different, but based on my dad's height the charts said 180-205 or something was his weight range. He was around 250 and he lost a lot of weight, and at 225 (20 lbs above the top of the average) he looked sickly. So technically, being 30lbs overweight at 235 he was "obese" he looked normal and was healthy
Just to clarify
Being medically obese has to do with BMI...AND having a propensity for diabetes, heart disease, etc.
Medically Obese isn't the same thing as someone saying "you look obese".
not only that, but there are ranges that take height and "frame" into consideration. it's not one weight for 5'5" fits all.
and excess amount of adipose fat tissue is NOT healthy. plain and simple. just as too little of adipose fat tissue is NOT healthy, Your body needs a certain amount for proper functioning...once that is compromised, it is unhealthy, be you "too" thin or "too heavy"
but again, this is WAY off the OP's original question, and has been debated ad nauseum (by myself included) on these boards lately.
yes, if you are TOO thin, you could be unhealthy, and yes, if your are TOO heavy you could be it depends on EACH individual person, and what your DOCTOR tells you.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Jean Paul Gaultier Responds to 0-sized Models
Right. I just don't think you can necessarily say someone is representing something unhealthy based on height/weight.
And it has to do with the size 0 models ban and now whehter or not the size 20 model is also encouraging an unhealthy lifestyle.
Are there any interviews or articles telling why JPG did this in his own words?
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