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HeathKernandez
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Posted by McSullivan
What about BIG dogs? 
Small children, of course, have a higher place in our society. This is how it should be - as we are a civilized society.
That said, I had a dog and it destroyed me to lose him. I don't have any children - yet.
But you must understand that it is human nature to understand everything as it relates to the individual. Through his or her own experience. To that end, I find it funny how the most self-proclaimed open-minded of you are usually quite the opposite and refuse to see the side of the other.
Just an observation.
there is ALOT of context you are missing here and perhaps if you piece together the 374874837 threads on the topic, it might be a tad clearer..
MANY of us understand the attachment and love people have for their pets... That's not the argument.. The argument was specifically dogs in stores... then dogs on airplanes.
Comparisons were made to the effect of: 'well how come you can bring your child into a store....'
While I understand people loving their pets like children...IMO it's not being close minded to see the difference between human offspring and a pet.
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by McSullivan
What about BIG dogs?
Small children, of course, have a higher place in our society. This is how it should be - as we are a civilized society.
That said, I had a dog and it destroyed me to lose him. I don't have any children - yet.
But you must understand that it is human nature to understand everything as it relates to the individual. Through his or her own experience. To that end, I find it funny how the most self-proclaimed open-minded of you are usually quite the opposite and refuse to see the side of the other.
Just an observation.
Where is the close-minded posts?
perhaps it's my OP????
though I am not sure how this would make me close-minded...I'll take the hit.
it doesn't hurt that much  
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Posted by Ophelia
My son does bite..he is teething. He may not emit allergens, but neither does Pyxie . He does not deficate on the floor as he is still in diapers, but I'll tell you, if he poops a diaper he will clear a 15 - 20 foot radius. And believe me, I try really hard to plan grocery and shopping trips around his eating and pooping schedule b/c it is incredibly inconvenient to abandon your cart & go into a gross & usually hazardous public bathroom with a defective changing station (if one at all) to change him.
My son is 10 months old & impossible to discipline at this point.
Not playing devil's advocate here, just trying to demostrate where the comparison comes from. Not that I am more right and dogs should be allowed, but I think that these are the points to which people are alluding when making the comparison.
And I am not bringing my dog into a store where it is not allowed...but I'll tell you soemtimes I see children that should not be in places where their parents bring them....but that is a whole other discussion.....
he bites his teething stick...but I don't think Pathmark shoppers are afraid he'll jump out of his carrier and attack them....
I still think the comparisons are absolutely ludicrous. the idea that dogs and humans should be treated the same is MIND BLOWING.
would you let your son drink from the dogs bowl or sleep in the dogs house? do you put a napkin around Pyxie and sit her at the kitchen table with you at dinner?
I don't even know what else to say....(not specifically towards you...but the topic in general) I can't believe half the stuff I am reading to be totally honest.
I understand where you are coming from, and I agree that some of the comparisons are out of line. I really think that the bottom line is that when you play the sanitary card, there is an arguement, when you play the safety card there is not.
And I am more apt to see people bring small babies/children into situations where they should not be over someone bringing a dog. In that respect I agree with your OP and knowing your place int he world. Just as I say I have a small infant son & I know my limits as to where I can take him, and plan accordingly, just as I do not bring my dogs somewhere where it is hazardous or illegal.
I don't think that they should be treated the same at all. Just pointing out some comparatives, that is all.
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
only in America...
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by McSullivan
What about BIG dogs?
Small children, of course, have a higher place in our society. This is how it should be - as we are a civilized society.
That said, I had a dog and it destroyed me to lose him. I don't have any children - yet.
But you must understand that it is human nature to understand everything as it relates to the individual. Through his or her own experience. To that end, I find it funny how the most self-proclaimed open-minded of you are usually quite the opposite and refuse to see the side of the other.
Just an observation.
Where is the close-minded posts?
perhaps it's my OP????
though I am not sure how this would make me close-minded...I'll take the hit.
it doesn't hurt that much
It was really just an honest and general observation I had - stringing together the many posts and spinoffs, added to previous posts on numerous topics.
It was truly not my intention to offend anyone.
ETA: I also don't agree that pets belong in stores where they are not permitted.
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
I'm not a pet person, and although I have no children of my own, I LOVE kids. For me, there is no comparison, but I've never had that kind of attachment to an animal. Until I read posts on this site, I had no idea that people referred to pets as "fur-babies", and the first time I read it, I was really surprised. I know people love their pets, but it is very hard for me to understand how they can be equated to human children.
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
I would never compare a pet to a child, except in the sense that they both should be loved and protected as they often can not speak for themselves.
I do not understand how exactly you feel as I do not have children, just as you don't understand exactly how I feel as I volunteer at a shelter and DH and I choose to put our animals first, yes, sometimes ahead of people, that is OUR choice to do so (I have a cat with cancer and we missed a family function because he needed vet care).
I certainly would never say I should be allowed to bring my pet everywhere that one can bring a child, HOWEVER, don't give me grief when I have my pet somewhere I AM PERMITTED to have him, just because you don’t agree with it or don’t like it. (you being a general YOU , not anyone in particular)
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Posted by KittyTheStray
I would never compare a pet to a child, except in the sense that they both should be loved and protected as they often can not speak for themselves.
I do not understand how exactly you feel as I do not have children, just as you don't understand exactly how I feel as I volunteer at a shelter and DH and I choose to put our animals first, yes, sometimes ahead of people, that is OUR choice to do so (I have a cat with cancer and we missed a family function because he needed vet care).
I certainly would never say I should be allowed to bring my pet everywhere that one can bring a child, HOWEVER, don't give me grief when I have my pet somewhere I AM PERMITTED to have him, just because you don’t agree with it or don’t like it. (you being a general YOU , not anyone in particular)
Once again, you rock
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Posted by KittyTheStray
I would never compare a pet to a child, except in the sense that they both should be loved and protected as they often can not speak for themselves.
I do not understand how exactly you feel as I do not have children, just as you don't understand exactly how I feel as I volunteer at a shelter and DH and I choose to put our animals first, yes, sometimes ahead of people, that is OUR choice to do so (I have a cat with cancer and we missed a family function because he needed vet care).
I certainly would never say I should be allowed to bring my pet everywhere that one can bring a child, HOWEVER, don't give me grief when I have my pet somewhere I AM PERMITTED to have him, just because you don’t agree with it or don’t like it. (you being a general YOU , not anyone in particular)
Well Said- My thoughts EXACTLY
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Posted by KittyTheStray
I would never compare a pet to a child, except in the sense that they both should be loved and protected as they often can not speak for themselves.
I do not understand how exactly you feel as I do not have children, just as you don't understand exactly how I feel as I volunteer at a shelter and DH and I choose to put our animals first, yes, sometimes ahead of people, that is OUR choice to do so (I have a cat with cancer and we missed a family function because he needed vet care).
I certainly would never say I should be allowed to bring my pet everywhere that one can bring a child, HOWEVER, don't give me grief when I have my pet somewhere I AM PERMITTED to have him, just because you don’t agree with it or don’t like it. (you being a general YOU , not anyone in particular)
Well put Kitty!
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Except you DO bring your dog where you're NOT permitted.
HUGE difference.
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
It definitely depends on where you are in life.
I don't personally think there is any comparison when it comes to a child vs. an animal. A human life always comes first in my opinion and I've felt this way before a child. BUT i am not a pet owner and could care less if I ever own a dog...
I think that when a person becomes a parent they realize that they seriously would kill for their child and would put that child first over an animal. If they didn't, they shouldn't be a parent!
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by KittyTheStray
I would never compare a pet to a child, except in the sense that they both should be loved and protected as they often can not speak for themselves.
I do not understand how exactly you feel as I do not have children, just as you don't understand exactly how I feel as I volunteer at a shelter and DH and I choose to put our animals first, yes, sometimes ahead of people, that is OUR choice to do so (I have a cat with cancer and we missed a family function because he needed vet care).
I certainly would never say I should be allowed to bring my pet everywhere that one can bring a child, HOWEVER, don't give me grief when I have my pet somewhere I AM PERMITTED to have him, just because you don’t agree with it or don’t like it. (you being a general YOU , not anyone in particular)
Well put Kitty!
I agree with Kara in some ways.
I LOVE animals. I do. they provide such love and joy to your life. and I believe as Kara said, that they should be well treated and respected and protected.
but that is not what this thread is about
my issue is not bringing you animal where they are expressly PERMITTED to be.
my issue is the idea that they are somehow *entitled* to the same things that humans are.
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
No way. A child is a human being (to everyone), but a dog is an animal (and only a "furbaby" equivilant to a child to the owner of that dog, not everyone).... but that doesn't mean that children and dogs can't be just as dirty as one another
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Posted by Ophelia
my issue is the idea that they are somehow *entitled* to the same things that humans are.
I am not sure that the original comparisons were about being entitled to the same thing as humans. Correct me if I am wrong, but I felt that many times the comparisons come from people obsessing with dogs and calling all dogs dirty, misbehaved and potentially dangerous. I am pretty sure that the comparison was just showing that other than dangerous that a small child could present the same issues.
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Posted by Ophelia
my issue is the idea that they are somehow *entitled* to the same things that humans are.
I think in cetain instances, yes, pets are entitled to the same things as humans such as being cared for, treated well, having places designated for them to be in public (such as dog walks/parks). BUT, I don't agree with people who compeletly disregard the law and do whatever they damn well please b/c they consider their pet to be like a human.
There's a difference between being a human and being "like" a human, IMO.
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Posted by MsMBV
Posted by Ophelia
my issue is the idea that they are somehow *entitled* to the same things that humans are.
I am not sure that the original comparisons were about being entitled to the same thing as humans. Correct me if I am wrong, but I felt that many times the comparisons come from people obsessing with dogs and calling all dogs dirty, misbehaved and potentially dangerous. I am pretty sure that the comparison was just showing that other than dangerous that a small child could present the same issues.
and from that. the rationale that if a people can bring their dirty kid in a store...what's so bad about a dog.
but I will give you...that I didn't word what I wanted to say the right way...b/c it was coming out wrong in my head, so I apologize.
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Posted by Jennie0898
Except you DO bring your dog where you're NOT permitted.
HUGE difference.
Cause you know everywhere I bring my dog....I think you missed my point last night! I have never brought my dog into a supermarket or restauraunt nor will I. I have and will continue to bring my dog on the plane, to the mall on occassion as well as some other stores where it IS ALLOWED. Thank you very much!!
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Posted by Jennie0898
There's a difference between being a human and being "like" a human, IMO.
I would love to know how many people have a placesetting at the dining table for their pet.
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Posted by Ophelia
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Posted by Ophelia
my issue is the idea that they are somehow *entitled* to the same things that humans are.
I am not sure that the original comparisons were about being entitled to the same thing as humans. Correct me if I am wrong, but I felt that many times the comparisons come from people obsessing with dogs and calling all dogs dirty, misbehaved and potentially dangerous. I am pretty sure that the comparison was just showing that other than dangerous that a small child could present the same issues.
and from that. the rationale that if a people can bring their dirty kid in a store...what's so bad about a dog.
but I will give you...that I didn't word what I wanted to say the right way...b/c it was coming out wrong in my head, so I apologize.
No need to apologize...I think it is hard to be very clear regarding some things online. The tone is lost in the typing
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Posted by MrsMerlot
only in America...
In other countries they only worry about what side dish to serve...
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
Posted by mpetretti
Posted by Jennie0898
Except you DO bring your dog where you're NOT permitted.
HUGE difference.
Cause you know everywhere I bring my dog....I think you missed my point last night! I have never brought my dog into a supermarket or restauraunt nor will I. I have and will continue to bring my dog on the plane, to the mall on occassion as well as some other stores where it IS ALLOWED. Thank you very much!!
Don't think so. Last night you were ALL about bringing dogs into supermarkets. Remember? The mean 06'ers were "picking on" you and Kimmie.
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
After reading the last thread I was thinking this exact same thing. I love dogs - we have two - however, children and dogs ARE NOT the same!!
My DD does not lick other children's butts. Plain and simple - dogs are animals and unpredictable at that. No matter how well trained you never know how a dog will react (granted you never know how a child will react but usually a child will never attack). For instance, I have a pug - such a mild mannered good dog - would never hurt a fly. That being said I still don't leave him alone with DD, because he IS a DOG and you never know what he may do. What if several people brought their dogs to an establishment? It can certainly cause some commotion between the dogs.
Anyways, they just aren't the same - people have more tolerance for kids because they are HUMAN - they came from us. I would be really sad when my dog passes but if God Forbid anything happened to my DD - I don't knwo what I would do.
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
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Posted by Jennie0898
Except you DO bring your dog where you're NOT permitted.
HUGE difference.
Cause you know everywhere I bring my dog....I think you missed my point last night! I have never brought my dog into a supermarket or restauraunt nor will I. I have and will continue to bring my dog on the plane, to the mall on occassion as well as some other stores where it IS ALLOWED. Thank you very much!!
Don't think so. Last night you were ALL about bringing dogs into supermarkets. Remember? The mean 06'ers were "picking on" you and Kimmie.
NO- I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!
YOU ARE WRONG!!! I was supporting Kim in saying that it doesn't bother me!!!!! NEVER did I say I bring my own dog into the supermarket!! Does it bother me if I see someone with a tiny dog in their arms or in a carrier NO BUT I do not- like I said last night I get in and out and have NEVER brought my dog with me foodshopping!! Too bad the thread isn't up for you to see it- oh but I forgot- you're ALWAYS right
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Re: little dogs vs. small children
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