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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by JenniferEver
This could just be my baised opinion since I am really disgusted with McCain, ESPECIALLY because of his pandering to the right, but I feel this pick is manipulative and is 100% to get the women who wanted to see a woman in the White House to vote for him. It feels manipulative. I know I should be happy that a woman is running for VP, but I don't feel it's genuine. Then again, every VP choice is meant to win over SOME voting block or other.
I just have to hope that the women who supported HIllary Clinton will vote based on the issues and causes she support and vote for Barack Obama instead of voting (imo) against their own interests by voting for McCain.
I just want to add that a woman who was for Hillary and is still on the fence would most likely not vote for McCain/Palin. she is ULTRA conservative and probably the polar opposite of HRC. The only things they probably have in common are boobs and being a wife and a mom
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Plagiarism...don't believe the hype
those articles did not note that while Biden did not attribute portions of a Kinnock speech he paraphrased during an August 23, 1987, Democratic presidential primary debate, and during an August 26, 1987, interview for the National Education Association, Biden reportedly had credited Kinnock. According to a September 13, 1987, Washington Post article, "Biden and reporters covering his campaign said that in speeches before and after that debate the senator has given Kinnock credit for the same passionate rhetoric, which he has used repeatedly in recent weeks."
there is more in the article..
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dandr10199
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by Blu-ize
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by booklove83
I'm an Obama girl, but even so, here's my problem with this Palin situation.... How is she going to give her all to this campaign with a four-month old at home who has Down's syndrome? I know if I were in her situation, I could not.
How many of us have to work and put our kids in day care? How is it different?
Also, she has a daughter who is a teenager who can babysit and her hubby I am sure will be there. Plus, if I were her, ALL of my kids including the 4 month old...on planes, in cars, on the campaign trail. What a way to actually SHOW working moms that you are LIVING what they live. That you KNOW what they are going through. IMHO, as long as her kids are with her or her DH I see no problem with it. I am sure her kids will have tutors as will Obama's kids.  What a great way to show your kids our government in action. I praise Michelle Obama and Sarah Palin for bringing their kids on the campaign trail with them.
Being the VP is not just any job. I don't think she will do either job well. Too much on her plate.
I disagree. Do I not do my job well b/c in the eyes of many (men and women) I am:
1) considered "disabled"
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2) I am a mom , have a child, and work P/T. I have A LOT on MY plate...do I stink as a mom? Do I stink as a title closer and broker??? NO!!!!
I am here to tell you, I bust my azz at closings and before the closing. I tend to know more than the attys sitting at the table.
Women today who are moms WANT someone who knows what it is like to go back to work after having a child.
I know I want someone who I feel has "lived a day in my shoes" which I feel she has. I would be willing to bet that she has been on the phone to at least one insurance company to debate with them about getting her son coverage for something he needed for his illness/disability. Has Biden done that? Has Obama? Has McCain?
Have they looked into their child's eyes as they are pulling on your leg screaming for you not to leave? Have they cried in their car after leaving their kid at day care, with Dh or with a baby sitter? Ummm, I'm gonna say...NOPE. Obama, Biden and MCain will never experience what I have as a working mom. To have that choice and if you choose not to work you are blacklisted like you are a moron, if you choose to go back to work you are abandoning your child...working moms (in or outside of the home) are damned if they go back, damned if they stay home.
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by Ophelia
Plagiarism...don't believe the hype
those articles did not note that while Biden did not attribute portions of a Kinnock speech he paraphrased during an August 23, 1987, Democratic presidential primary debate, and during an August 26, 1987, interview for the National Education Association, Biden reportedly had credited Kinnock. According to a September 13, 1987, Washington Post article, "Biden and reporters covering his campaign said that in speeches before and after that debate the senator has given Kinnock credit for the same passionate rhetoric, which he has used repeatedly in recent weeks."
there is more in the article..
Biden ADMITTED to plagarisim during law school. NY Times Article
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Ophelia
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by Meaghan729
Posted by Ophelia
Plagiarism...don't believe the hype
those articles did not note that while Biden did not attribute portions of a Kinnock speech he paraphrased during an August 23, 1987, Democratic presidential primary debate, and during an August 26, 1987, interview for the National Education Association, Biden reportedly had credited Kinnock. According to a September 13, 1987, Washington Post article, "Biden and reporters covering his campaign said that in speeches before and after that debate the senator has given Kinnock credit for the same passionate rhetoric, which he has used repeatedly in recent weeks."
there is more in the article..
Biden ADMITTED to plagarisim during law school. NY Times Article
and did he cheat on his math test in 3rd grade? did he put sally's pig tail in the ink well in 8th grade? did he cop a feel on Janet Smith at homecoming in senior year?
this is what kills me about people and politics.
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JenniferEver
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by Meaghan729
Posted by Ophelia
Plagiarism...don't believe the hype
those articles did not note that while Biden did not attribute portions of a Kinnock speech he paraphrased during an August 23, 1987, Democratic presidential primary debate, and during an August 26, 1987, interview for the National Education Association, Biden reportedly had credited Kinnock. According to a September 13, 1987, Washington Post article, "Biden and reporters covering his campaign said that in speeches before and after that debate the senator has given Kinnock credit for the same passionate rhetoric, which he has used repeatedly in recent weeks."
there is more in the article..
Biden ADMITTED to plagarisim during law school. NY Times Article
Sounds like he made a mistake to me. A REALLY STUPID mistake, but a mistake nonetheless.
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MegZee
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Meaghan729
Posted by Ophelia
Plagiarism...don't believe the hype
those articles did not note that while Biden did not attribute portions of a Kinnock speech he paraphrased during an August 23, 1987, Democratic presidential primary debate, and during an August 26, 1987, interview for the National Education Association, Biden reportedly had credited Kinnock. According to a September 13, 1987, Washington Post article, "Biden and reporters covering his campaign said that in speeches before and after that debate the senator has given Kinnock credit for the same passionate rhetoric, which he has used repeatedly in recent weeks."
there is more in the article..
Biden ADMITTED to plagarisim during law school. NY Times Article
and did he cheat on his math test in 3rd grade? did he put sally's pig tail in the ink well in 8th grade? did he cop a feel on Janet Smith at homecoming in senior year?
this is what kills me about people and politics.
Cheating on your math test and plaigarizing FIVE PAGES in LAW SCHOOL are not the same.
so what exactly "kills you" about people and politics? He plagarized in law school. That is a fact.
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pinkandblue
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by Meaghan729
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Meaghan729
Posted by Ophelia
Plagiarism...don't believe the hype
those articles did not note that while Biden did not attribute portions of a Kinnock speech he paraphrased during an August 23, 1987, Democratic presidential primary debate, and during an August 26, 1987, interview for the National Education Association, Biden reportedly had credited Kinnock. According to a September 13, 1987, Washington Post article, "Biden and reporters covering his campaign said that in speeches before and after that debate the senator has given Kinnock credit for the same passionate rhetoric, which he has used repeatedly in recent weeks."
there is more in the article..
Biden ADMITTED to plagarisim during law school. NY Times Article
and did he cheat on his math test in 3rd grade? did he put sally's pig tail in the ink well in 8th grade? did he cop a feel on Janet Smith at homecoming in senior year?
this is what kills me about people and politics.
Cheating on your math test and plaigarizing FIVE PAGES in LAW SCHOOL are not the same.
so what exactly "kills you" about people and politics? He plagarized in law school. That is a fact.
I'm thinking that maybe you and jess should not talk politics....
****runs out of the room before the flaming begins******
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| Posted 8/29/08 3:51 PM |
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MegZee
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by stephanief
Posted by Meaghan729
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Meaghan729
Posted by Ophelia
Plagiarism...don't believe the hype
those articles did not note that while Biden did not attribute portions of a Kinnock speech he paraphrased during an August 23, 1987, Democratic presidential primary debate, and during an August 26, 1987, interview for the National Education Association, Biden reportedly had credited Kinnock. According to a September 13, 1987, Washington Post article, "Biden and reporters covering his campaign said that in speeches before and after that debate the senator has given Kinnock credit for the same passionate rhetoric, which he has used repeatedly in recent weeks."
there is more in the article..
Biden ADMITTED to plagarisim during law school. NY Times Article
and did he cheat on his math test in 3rd grade? did he put sally's pig tail in the ink well in 8th grade? did he cop a feel on Janet Smith at homecoming in senior year?
this is what kills me about people and politics.
Cheating on your math test and plaigarizing FIVE PAGES in LAW SCHOOL are not the same.
so what exactly "kills you" about people and politics? He plagarized in law school. That is a fact.
I'm thinking that maybe you and jess should not talk politics....
****runs out of the room before the flaming begins******
its all good!
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by codybear
I think the selection of her, if its intended to lure the Hillarr supporters, is basically an insult to the intelligence of Hillary supporters. Palin is VERY opposite from Hillary, about the only thing they have in common is that they are both women.
She's totally socially conservative, pro-life, anti gay marriage, pro capital punishment, pro drilling in the Alaska wildlife preserve, has big ties to big oil. She has no experience (I'm sorry but 2 years as govenor of Alaska is not enough experience to be a heartbeat away from preisdent, especially when that president is as old as McCain, IMO)
McCain made a "panic" pick and I think the next 60 or so days are going to show that.
I'm interested to hear the first quote from Hillary on the topic.
I agree. If anything, it's an insult to women.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by MissJones
Posted by codybear
I think the selection of her, if its intended to lure the Hillarr supporters, is basically an insult to the intelligence of Hillary supporters. Palin is VERY opposite from Hillary, about the only thing they have in common is that they are both women.
She's totally socially conservative, pro-life, anti gay marriage, pro capital punishment, pro drilling in the Alaska wildlife preserve, has big ties to big oil. She has no experience (I'm sorry but 2 years as govenor of Alaska is not enough experience to be a heartbeat away from preisdent, especially when that president is as old as McCain, IMO)
McCain made a "panic" pick and I think the next 60 or so days are going to show that.
I'm interested to hear the first quote from Hillary on the topic.
I agree. If anything, it's an insult to women.
WOW! just wow
being the first ever woman VP on the republican ticket is now an "insult"
right
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MrsPorkChop
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by MissJones
Posted by codybear
I think the selection of her, if its intended to lure the Hillarr supporters, is basically an insult to the intelligence of Hillary supporters. Palin is VERY opposite from Hillary, about the only thing they have in common is that they are both women.
She's totally socially conservative, pro-life, anti gay marriage, pro capital punishment, pro drilling in the Alaska wildlife preserve, has big ties to big oil. She has no experience (I'm sorry but 2 years as govenor of Alaska is not enough experience to be a heartbeat away from preisdent, especially when that president is as old as McCain, IMO)
McCain made a "panic" pick and I think the next 60 or so days are going to show that.
I'm interested to hear the first quote from Hillary on the topic.
I agree. If anything, it's an insult to women.
WOW! just wow
being the first ever woman VP on the republican ticket is now an "insult"
right
i agree! she is everything you would ever want to be in a person/mother/candidate! how is being chosen as mccains vp an insult?!?
so then if obama chose hillary, that would be an insult too?
totally ridiculous
im "insulted" that people even think like that!
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by MrsPorkChop
i agree! she is everything you would ever want to be in a person/mother/candidate! how is being chosen as mccains vp an insult?!?
so then if obama chose hillary, that would be an insult too?
totally ridiculous
im "insulted" that people even think like that!
I cut the other quotes out so this wouldn't be long and difficult to read...
That said, she is everything that YOU would ever want to be maybe, but not me. Not by a LONG shot.
I think the idea that it's an insult to HILLARY SUPPORTERS - not all women everywhere. I was a Hillary supporter. I'm pro-choice, I support gay marriage. Putting a female on the ticket assuming I'm voting solely based on gender is an insult. I'm voting on the issues that matter to me.
And I'm just tossing this out as an explanation because people seem so put off by the 'insult to women' comment. I'm not insulted because I don't think McCain chose her to get my vote. He knows he can't get my vote with an ultra-conservative.
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by eroxgirl
Putting a female on the ticket assuming I'm voting solely based on gender is an insult. I'm voting on the issues that matter to me.
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I agree, I think it was a bad move and MAY hurt him in the long run
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dm24angel
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
I think that he is gonna lose many votes. Too many ultra conservatives dont want a women in the white house ever and with McCains age as a factor...
I dont get it at all...she is sooooo unexperienced?
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MissJones
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by MissJones
Posted by codybear
I think the selection of her, if its intended to lure the Hillarr supporters, is basically an insult to the intelligence of Hillary supporters. Palin is VERY opposite from Hillary, about the only thing they have in common is that they are both women.
She's totally socially conservative, pro-life, anti gay marriage, pro capital punishment, pro drilling in the Alaska wildlife preserve, has big ties to big oil. She has no experience (I'm sorry but 2 years as govenor of Alaska is not enough experience to be a heartbeat away from preisdent, especially when that president is as old as McCain, IMO)
McCain made a "panic" pick and I think the next 60 or so days are going to show that.
I'm interested to hear the first quote from Hillary on the topic.
I agree. If anything, it's an insult to women.
WOW! just wow
being the first ever woman VP on the republican ticket is now an "insult"
right
Holy crap, ease off a bit. I meant that if he thought he was going to get the female vote b/c he picked a female, then he is underestimating the intelligence of women. Better?
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by dm24angel
I think that he is gonna lose many votes. Too many ultra conservatives dont want a women in the white house ever and with McCains age as a factor...
I dont get it at all...she is sooooo unexperienced?
yes but those ultra conservatives would NEVER vote for Obama. so while they may not be "thrilled", they will vote based on a conservative agenda - which she fits
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dm24angel
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by dm24angel
I think that he is gonna lose many votes. Too many ultra conservatives dont want a women in the white house ever and with McCains age as a factor...
I dont get it at all...she is sooooo unexperienced?
yes but those ultra conservatives would NEVER vote for Obama. so while they may not be "thrilled", they will vote based on a conservative agenda - which she fits
Really? You think they will vote anyway?
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by MissJones
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by MissJones
Posted by codybear
I think the selection of her, if its intended to lure the Hillarr supporters, is basically an insult to the intelligence of Hillary supporters. Palin is VERY opposite from Hillary, about the only thing they have in common is that they are both women.
She's totally socially conservative, pro-life, anti gay marriage, pro capital punishment, pro drilling in the Alaska wildlife preserve, has big ties to big oil. She has no experience (I'm sorry but 2 years as govenor of Alaska is not enough experience to be a heartbeat away from preisdent, especially when that president is as old as McCain, IMO)
McCain made a "panic" pick and I think the next 60 or so days are going to show that.
I'm interested to hear the first quote from Hillary on the topic.
I agree. If anything, it's an insult to women.
WOW! just wow
being the first ever woman VP on the republican ticket is now an "insult"
right
Holy crap, ease off a bit. I meant that if he thought he was going to get the female vote b/c he picked a female, then he is underestimating the intelligence of women. Better?
you're assuming women who were for Hillary and are still on the fence are so hung up on a woman in office that they would blindly vote for McCain/Palin?
I really don't get this statement, Palin is the polar opposite of HRC
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by dm24angel
I think that he is gonna lose many votes. Too many ultra conservatives dont want a women in the white house ever and with McCains age as a factor...
I dont get it at all...she is sooooo unexperienced?
yes but those ultra conservatives would NEVER vote for Obama. so while they may not be "thrilled", they will vote based on a conservative agenda - which she fits
Really? You think they will vote anyway?
yes I do. why wouldn't they? if they feel *THAT* strongly against Obama, they will vote for McCain regardless of who the running mate is. JMO
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MegZee
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
you're assuming women who were for Hillary and are still on the fence are so hung up on a woman in office that they would blindly vote for McCain/Palin?
I really don't get this statement, Palin is the polar opposite of HRC
I think there are people (not just women either) who will vote just bc they want to see a woman elected. sad but true.
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by Blu-ize
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by booklove83
I'm an Obama girl, but even so, here's my problem with this Palin situation.... How is she going to give her all to this campaign with a four-month old at home who has Down's syndrome? I know if I were in her situation, I could not.
How many of us have to work and put our kids in day care? How is it different?
Also, she has a daughter who is a teenager who can babysit and her hubby I am sure will be there. Plus, if I were her, ALL of my kids including the 4 month old...on planes, in cars, on the campaign trail. What a way to actually SHOW working moms that you are LIVING what they live. That you KNOW what they are going through. IMHO, as long as her kids are with her or her DH I see no problem with it. I am sure her kids will have tutors as will Obama's kids. What a great way to show your kids our government in action. I praise Michelle Obama and Sarah Palin for bringing their kids on the campaign trail with them.
Being the VP is not just any job. I don't think she will do either job well. Too much on her plate.
If it were a man with 5 kids, would people be making this same argument?
Thank you, I was just thinking the same thing. I'm sure there have been presidents and vice presidents in the past with disabled kids and I'm sure the issue wasn't even brought up. If we want to move foward as women we should not be questioning her choice about her career.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by Meaghan729
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
you're assuming women who were for Hillary and are still on the fence are so hung up on a woman in office that they would blindly vote for McCain/Palin?
I really don't get this statement, Palin is the polar opposite of HRC
I think there are people (not just women either) who will vote just bc they want to see a woman elected. sad but true.
well that's certainly their right and quite possible, but it's my opinion that these said women are not the majority of women voters.
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Meaghan729
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
you're assuming women who were for Hillary and are still on the fence are so hung up on a woman in office that they would blindly vote for McCain/Palin?
I really don't get this statement, Palin is the polar opposite of HRC
I think there are people (not just women either) who will vote just bc they want to see a woman elected. sad but true.
well that's certainly their right and quite possible, but it's my opinion that these said women are not the majority of women voters.
I doubt its a majority of women. but a small enough % to scare ya.
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Re: McCain's VP pick - it's official!!!
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by MissJones
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by MissJones
Posted by codybear
I think the selection of her, if its intended to lure the Hillarr supporters, is basically an insult to the intelligence of Hillary supporters. Palin is VERY opposite from Hillary, about the only thing they have in common is that they are both women.
She's totally socially conservative, pro-life, anti gay marriage, pro capital punishment, pro drilling in the Alaska wildlife preserve, has big ties to big oil. She has no experience (I'm sorry but 2 years as govenor of Alaska is not enough experience to be a heartbeat away from preisdent, especially when that president is as old as McCain, IMO)
McCain made a "panic" pick and I think the next 60 or so days are going to show that.
I'm interested to hear the first quote from Hillary on the topic.
I agree. If anything, it's an insult to women.
WOW! just wow
being the first ever woman VP on the republican ticket is now an "insult"
right
Holy crap, ease off a bit. I meant that if he thought he was going to get the female vote b/c he picked a female, then he is underestimating the intelligence of women. Better?
you're assuming women who were for Hillary and are still on the fence are so hung up on a woman in office that they would blindly vote for McCain/Palin?
I really don't get this statement, Palin is the polar opposite of HRC
I'm saying that if HE thinks that's the case, then he's mistaken. While it would be awesome to see a woman in office, I seriously hope he isn't thinking that he got the female vote by picking her. Maybe he will, maybe he won't, who knows right now. What I am saying is that I truly hope he isn't assuming that vaginas everywhere will unite and bam, he'll be in!
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