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Kara
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Re: National average in the US for property taxes is...
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
$1800
what are we getting on LI that is worth 3, 4 or more times as much.
I am really curious.
aside from possibly a better education (although a lot of studies show that isn't necessarily the case – national test scores etc are available online), what are LI tax payers getting for SO much more $$$??
Where did this $1800 number come from? What was included in "property taxes" - did it include school taxes or only "general" taxes?
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Posted by NinaLemon
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no property taxes go to schools. School taxes go to schools.
We fund upstate. Nice..their taxes are nice and low.
Yes, LI is desirable but until the corruption is gone and we stop funding upstate, our taxes will be high.
I also agree that we have too many school districts. Too many salaires, pensions, benefits.
This isn't true, your school taxes go to the district you live in, as do your municipal taxes. The only way downstate supports upstate or vise verse is through state taxes and use taxes like sales tax.
exactly...this is a common misconception...probably started by a corrupt LI tax collector...don't blame us, blame them!
we just bought in Orange County, in one of the best school districts. our school taxes for this school year are $2500. our property taxes were around $1500, not including sanitation, which is private.
the idea that kids graduating from LI's schools being "smarter" b/c you pay more is REdiculous.  seriously though, look around you...do you REALLY feel the people you know and the kids you see are more advanced than those in other parts of the country....??
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nferrandi
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Posted by Beth1210
I just saw on the news that Westchester is the highest in the nation
followed by a county in NJ
the Nass.
then Bergen NJ
Lucky me.  I live in White Plains and my taxes are over $12,000. My parnets live in Purchase, where I grew up, and the taxes on new builds there can be $30,000-40,000! 
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Posted by nferrandi
Posted by Beth1210
I just saw on the news that Westchester is the highest in the nation
followed by a county in NJ
the Nass.
then Bergen NJ
Lucky me. I live in White Plains and my taxes are over $12,000. My parnets live in Purchase, where I grew up, and the taxes on new builds there can be $30,000-40,000!
I read part of that article this morning. The median for Westchester was something like $8400. That means half of the residents pay more than that.
Nicole, I thought White Plains had one of the lower local tax rates for the area.
This article has the whole chart
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SweetestOfPeas
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Posted by Lisa
You would think with the high taxes that we pay that we would have a PAY fire department instead of volunteers!!
I am very grateful for the volunteers BUT doesnt anyone think that having a fire dept is important?? 
don't the volunteers get tax breaks though? not saying that's equal to a salary. also, the chiefs are paid. my friend's grandfather was the fire chief for Mineola for many yrs until he retired.
I never understood though how the LI fire dept run on volunteers. but meanwhile, when you see a fire chief or deputy truck, it's a tricked out $40-$50K fully loaded (chrome package, leather, etc) model. maybe that's where all the $ goes.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: National average in the US for property taxes is...
Posted by Kara
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
$1800
what are we getting on LI that is worth 3, 4 or more times as much.
I am really curious.
aside from possibly a better education (although a lot of studies show that isn't necessarily the case – national test scores etc are available online), what are LI tax payers getting for SO much more $$$??
Where did this $1800 number come from? What was included in "property taxes" - did it include school taxes or only "general" taxes?
here's a report from 2007. the nat'l avg was actually $1600 3 yrs ago and up $200 from then. scroll to pg 5 - Property Values and Real Estate Taxes
DH heard it on the news yesterday.
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Karen
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I'm sorry, but does no one see the irony of this thread combined with the illegal apartment thread .
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SweetestOfPeas
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Posted by Karen
I'm sorry, but does no one see the irony of this thread combined with the illegal apartment thread .
if people were not against apt complexes being built in their neighborhoods, there would be more apt complexes, which would = legal apts.
I am not for illegal apts, but the reality is that there are no where near enough of them on LI. any other part of the country has them all over the place. people renting homeowners basements is practically unheard of in these other parts of the country.
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Posted by SweetestOfPeas
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I'm sorry, but does no one see the irony of this thread combined with the illegal apartment thread .
if people were not against apt complexes being built in their neighborhoods, there would be more apt complexes, which would = legal apts.
that's a whole other argument for another day  .
BUT, every child living in an illegal apartment and going to school in that district is costing the taxpayers of that district a boatload of money. The average spending per pupil on LI is something like $20k, 50 extra kids is $1 million dollars that other people have to pay for! And I'm sure in some districts that number of illegal apartments is probably double and triple that! that is insane, IMO!!
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SweetestOfPeas
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Posted by Karen
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Karen
I'm sorry, but does no one see the irony of this thread combined with the illegal apartment thread .
if people were not against apt complexes being built in their neighborhoods, there would be more apt complexes, which would = legal apts.
that's a whole other argument for another day .
BUT, every child living in an illegal apartment and going to school in that district is costing the taxpayers of that district a boatload of money. The average spending per pupil on LI is something like $20k, 50 extra kids is $1 million dollars that other people have to pay for! And I'm sure in some districts that number of illegal apartments is probably double and triple that! that is insane, IMO!!
ITA with you.
like I said in my last post, if the option of a complex was available, that would solve a lot of these problems. unfortunately, some people equate renters with transients and don't want "those types" in their neighborhood. meanwhile, they're renting your next door neighbor's basement.
bottom line, there will ALWAYS be a need for rentals. so people should just let them be built.
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this crisis that we currently face will send the demand for rental up & raise the rents & the majority of people that loose their homes to foreclosure or short sales will probably try to find illegal rentals that are less likely to run credit checks. The larger apartment complexes have pretty tight credit requirements. Additionally as more & more LIers are fighting to keep their homes the lure of having an illegal tenant to help pay the bills increases.
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Posted by KellyFG
this crisis that we currently face will send the demand for rental up & raise the rents & the majority of people that loose their homes to foreclosure or short sales will probably try to find illegal rentals that are less likely to run credit checks. The larger apartment complexes have pretty tight credit requirements. Additionally as more & more LIers are fighting to keep their homes the lure of having an illegal tenant to help pay the bills increases.
very true
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Posted by TheDivineMrsM
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Posted by Karen
IMO, I think it's the way schools are set up on LI. We have way more districts than is necessary, and every district has a superintendent, various asst superintendents, coordinators, etc. - each making low-mid 6 figures.
I believe in most other parts of the country, you don't have a different school district every few miles like we have here. We could save sooo much $$ if we just combined school districts. Look at Newsday they next time they publish test scores - are all those districts really necessary???
ITA!!! and i'm a teacher. there is a lot of consoldiating that could be done that would save tax payers millions.
most other states run school districts by county, not each and every little town with their own district.
But is a single district per county the answer? I work for the NYC Board of Ed, which is essentially one big school district for the five boroughs. We serve over a million students. There's probably more corruption, pointless administrative positions, and red tape in that system than in all the little districts on LI!
i hear you there as i taught in the DOE and my husband does. NYC is a completely different animal than a county system say in North Carolina that may have 25,000 students. on LI, even small things like consolidating bus companies, custodial staff, etc. would save thousands for tax payers. i student taught in PA and their districts are larger (a few towns in one) and they were beautifully run with a lot less BS and very manageable taxes.
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nferrandi
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White Plains isn't that low, as you can see by what I pay. But I also sit on a decent size corner lot. I believe that places like Port Chester, Yonkers and further north pay lower taxes. The higher tax areas in Westchester are Harrison, Mamaroneck (only the part that falls in the Rye Neck school district), Scarsdale, Rye, Rye Brook.
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Suzanne
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I live in Raleigh and my taxes are $1,900 a year. This includes everything like school, garbage, etc. I have a nice size house on a decent lot.
I think they fact that we have one school district for the entire county helps a lot. There is only 1 Superintendent to pay and only 1 administration. We have our garbage picked up once a week and it is fine. We have a huge can that we barely fill each week.
This was one of the reasons we looked into the area and left LI. We could not afford the taxes there along with the cost of the house alone.
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I'm in Orange County and my taxes are crazy too! Our school taxes are just over $6,000 and our property taxes are over $3,000.
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Posted by SweetestOfPeas
$what are we getting on LI that is worth 3, 4 or more times as much.
we are "getting" screwed!! 
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I am a teacher and I can tell you first hand that there is ALOT of wasteful spending in school districts. Every year they want us to practically beg parents to pass the budget, when within 2 minutes I could shave a $1 million off the budget in wasteful spending. We have way to many administrators in my building, mind you my entire district.
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Posted by lakadema
I am a teacher and I can tell you first hand that there is ALOT of wasteful spending in school districts. Every year they want us to practically beg parents to pass the budget, when within 2 minutes I could shave a $1 million off the budget in wasteful spending. We have way to many administrators in my building, mind you my entire district.
thank you for confirming what many people already know or suspect.
I really hope that something is done about this, and soon!
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Re: National average in the US for property taxes is...
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by lakadema
I am a teacher and I can tell you first hand that there is ALOT of wasteful spending in school districts. Every year they want us to practically beg parents to pass the budget, when within 2 minutes I could shave a $1 million off the budget in wasteful spending. We have way to many administrators in my building, mind you my entire district.
thank you for confirming what many people already know or suspect.
I really hope that something is done about this, and soon!
Don't take this as a flame...I'm genuinely curious... How do you guys expect multimillion $ districts to operate without proper administration? Should the teachers be left to manage themselves? What is the average % of teacher salaries to administrators salaries in your district's budget?
If the tax payers asked the teachers to give back steps, 'masters' credits or any of their vacation time to help the district financially and keep taxes low, would that be OK... Or are we only hunting for administrators $ here? Perhaps the teachers could prorate their salary... Say take 10/12 of their pay and return the rest to the district for the kids (in the spirit of equal pay for time worked) I'm sure your average tax payer who is working June July and August would greatly appreciate it.
I'm just spit ballin' here...
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Posted by Suzanne
I live in Raleigh and my taxes are $1,900 a year. This includes everything like school, garbage, etc. I have a nice size house on a decent lot.
I think they fact that we have one school district for the entire county helps a lot. There is only 1 Superintendent to pay and only 1 administration. We have our garbage picked up once a week and it is fine. We have a huge can that we barely fill each week.
This was one of the reasons we looked into the area and left LI. We could not afford the taxes there along with the cost of the house alone.
I live in Central FL and my taxes this year are $1600 (3 bed 2 bath 1200 sq ft w/ good size property) and we have a County School District too also. I agree with everyone else I think there are too many school districts and issues with those districts. If people knew how to manage money and superintendents stop expanding their offices to include nonsense stuff LI would be fine.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Posted by LadyH
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by lakadema
I am a teacher and I can tell you first hand that there is ALOT of wasteful spending in school districts. Every year they want us to practically beg parents to pass the budget, when within 2 minutes I could shave a $1 million off the budget in wasteful spending. We have way to many administrators in my building, mind you my entire district.
thank you for confirming what many people already know or suspect.
I really hope that something is done about this, and soon!
Don't take this as a flame...I'm genuinely curious... How do you guys expect multimillion $ districts to operate without proper administration? Should the teachers be left to manage themselves? What is the average % of teacher salaries to administrators salaries in your district's budget?
If the tax payers asked the teachers to give back steps, 'masters' credits or any of their vacation time to help the district financially and keep taxes low, would that be OK... Or are we only hunting for administrators $ here? Perhaps the teachers could prorate their salary... Say take 10/12 of their pay and return the rest to the district for the kids (in the spirit of equal pay for time worked) I'm sure your average tax payer who is working June July and August would greatly appreciate it.
I'm just spit ballin' here...
a lot of schools on LI can be merged. if you look at the 1st pg of this thread, you'll see that I posted about Meadowbrook elementary school that has 300 students in the whole school. is that REALLY necessary? can't these kids be bussed to another school? how much does it cost to keep that 1 school operating a year for 300 kids who can easily be fit into another school?
just 1 example. I am sure there are many more.
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Karen
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Posted by LadyH
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by lakadema
I am a teacher and I can tell you first hand that there is ALOT of wasteful spending in school districts. Every year they want us to practically beg parents to pass the budget, when within 2 minutes I could shave a $1 million off the budget in wasteful spending. We have way to many administrators in my building, mind you my entire district.
thank you for confirming what many people already know or suspect.
I really hope that something is done about this, and soon!
Don't take this as a flame...I'm genuinely curious... How do you guys expect multimillion $ districts to operate without proper administration? Should the teachers be left to manage themselves? What is the average % of teacher salaries to administrators salaries in your district's budget?
If the tax payers asked the teachers to give back steps, 'masters' credits or any of their vacation time to help the district financially and keep taxes low, would that be OK... Or are we only hunting for administrators $ here? Perhaps the teachers could prorate their salary... Say take 10/12 of their pay and return the rest to the district for the kids (in the spirit of equal pay for time worked) I'm sure your average tax payer who is working June July and August would greatly appreciate it.
I'm just spit ballin' here...
I don't want to speak for everyone, but this is what I have a problem with:
New Suffolk school district - 13 freakin' kids in the ENTIRE district; 1 building to maintain; 1 superintendent to pay; couldn't find budget numbers
Shelter Island - 250 students; 1 building; 2 superintendents to pay; $9.6 million budget
Quogue - 128 students; 1 building; 1 superintendent; $7 million budget
Fisher Island - 57 students; 1 building; 1 superintendet; $3.4 million budget
Seriously, no surrounding district can absorb these students???? I just don't get it! And that was about 5 minutes worth of research, so I'm sure it's just the tip of the iceberg.
ETA: And those are only the administrators that have to be disclosed, meaning they made more than $113k in the 07-08 school year!
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Posted by Karen
BUT, every child living in an illegal apartment and going to school in that district is costing the taxpayers of that district a boatload of money. The average spending per pupil on LI is something like $20k, 50 extra kids is $1 million dollars that other people have to pay for! And I'm sure in some districts that number of illegal apartments is probably double and triple that! that is insane, IMO!!
OK, then I and many more tax paying parents are off-setting this when we pay tuition for a private school AND SCHOOL TAX. I don't even get a tax credit, nada, nothing. Same can be said for elderly without school aged children in the home, empty-nesters, or young couples without children. This is a huge amount of money!
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Posted by LadyH
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by lakadema
I am a teacher and I can tell you first hand that there is ALOT of wasteful spending in school districts. Every year they want us to practically beg parents to pass the budget, when within 2 minutes I could shave a $1 million off the budget in wasteful spending. We have way to many administrators in my building, mind you my entire district.
thank you for confirming what many people already know or suspect.
I really hope that something is done about this, and soon!
Don't take this as a flame...I'm genuinely curious... How do you guys expect multimillion $ districts to operate without proper administration? Should the teachers be left to manage themselves? What is the average % of teacher salaries to administrators salaries in your district's budget?
If the tax payers asked the teachers to give back steps, 'masters' credits or any of their vacation time to help the district financially and keep taxes low, would that be OK... Or are we only hunting for administrators $ here? Perhaps the teachers could prorate their salary... Say take 10/12 of their pay and return the rest to the district for the kids (in the spirit of equal pay for time worked) I'm sure your average tax payer who is working June July and August would greatly appreciate it.
I'm just spit ballin' here...
The most waste in my district is clearly on the administrative side.
We are a K-6 district of only 6 schools.
We have the following separate jobs
A Superintendent
An Assistant Superintendent
An Assistant to the Superintendent
A Deputy Superintendent
Each one of these people have additional administrative personnel beneath them.
I would venture to say it would be more beneficial to cut some of these salaries before we start looking to the teachers.
It's truly disgusting.
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