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stinger
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I am a salaried employee and I told my boss that every other Friday I come in a half hour later than usual because I go for allergy shots. I have been doing this for a year. His response was okay will you be flexing your schedule to staying a half hour later. I've never been micromanaged like this! I'm 37 years old with 2 kids and a masters level professional! And i have a work phone and laptop so if needed i can work after hours. I have been in this position for over 2 years and he just started a month ago. Do I even respond? I would take a 1/2 hour less lunch if he wants but sometimes I don't even take lunch!
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You can say that was never required in the past, but if you need me to make up the hours, I am happy to skip lunch on Fridays, work from home at night, etc.
I find different people have different views on in office time, so it may just be his personality, or that he is new and doesn't know all office practices yet
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| Posted 3/15/13 7:45 PM |
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luvmotherhood
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i feel you. i work extra but don't get paid for it but if i have to leave early or come later i'm required to make up the time that day. what about all of the extra time i stay??
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| Posted 3/15/13 9:02 PM |
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| Posted 3/15/13 9:10 PM |
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I'd let it go and address it if it becomes an issue.
We've recently had to start submitting our weekly schedule to our boss and CEO.
It's kind of annoying, but on the flip, some employees abuse the flexible schedule "perk".
I also do a lot of field work, and people who work in my office have had the balls to say "how was your morning off" if I come in at noon, because I was out doing intakes with new clients.
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| Posted 3/16/13 8:30 AM |
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stinger
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I don't think I am going to reply. The main reason I am frustrated is because this is not a new job for me but its like I have a new job. Everything is different. He is also moving us to a new location and I hate the space. Also, I have never had an issue with managing my time i have never had a bad review or disappointed my managers. I get things done and I always meet deadlines. If this was a new job yes I would first ask if it is okay to come later and take the initiative to stay later. It's just not a good start.
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| Posted 3/16/13 8:59 AM |
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JennZ
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An I missing where he is wrong? You are salary, that doesn't mean you can work/leave at your leisure. I agree with him on making up the half hour. You are getting paid for x amount of hours.
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| Posted 3/16/13 9:00 AM |
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I didn't interpret her post at all as leaving at her leisure, or taking advantage of her employer.
If anything, she did indicate that she works extra hours.
OP, maybe just respond to his question with an "Of course" and leave it at that.
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| Posted 3/16/13 9:06 AM |
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I could be reading this incorrectly, but I don't think your boss is asking for anything wrong.
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| Posted 3/16/13 9:20 AM |
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stinger
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An I missing where he is wrong? You are salary, that doesn't mean you can work/leave at your leisure. I agree with him on making up the half hour. You are getting paid for x amount of hours.
I am not saying that I shouldn't be working for the hours that I am supposed to. He is not wrong in principal. However it is annoying to have a new boss (very different from the old) that will micromanage like this and not have trust with your staff that you have to ask about a 1/2 hour. I won't feel empowered and quite frankly if he treats me this way I won't be working extra hours.
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| Posted 3/16/13 9:22 AM |
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stinger
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I could be reading this incorrectly, but I don't think your boss is asking for anything wrong.
Okay I guess it's just me and the whole change after 2 years.
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| Posted 3/16/13 9:27 AM |
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Ughhh, I totally feel your pain.
I also have a new boss. He has been there for 2 months and has already imposed impossible deadlines on me that there is no way I can meet without working until 2am some nights and on weekends. He doesn't DO anything (just manages us all) so he has no idea how long everything takes.
He fills my day with training and meetings so that I have no time to work on anything except on my off hours.
I am giving it 6 months total and if things don't improve I am going to really start looking.
I can see where you would be frustrated. He is taking away flexibility that was a part of your job in the past. I would respond back that you typically handled this by working through lunch in the past and it was never a problem.
Good luck!
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I would tell him that you often skip lunch so it more than evens out but if he would like for you to let him know the actual days you a skipping you would be happy to do so.
I never made my salaried staff make up time like that, seems silly but everyone has different personalities.
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| Posted 3/16/13 9:33 AM |
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I can see many different sides of it:
- Asking you to prove that you make up the time feels like a reasonable request and a reasonable accommodation of your having to leave early to treat your disability of having allergies. Allergies are considered a disability under the ADA.
- Is it possible for you to receive treatment during a day/time that doesn't interfere with your job? Honestly, I have a co-worker who is always out for a few hours for medical appointments at a time. There's a lot of  behind her back, especially from other co-workers who go out of their way to schedule appointments that don't intefere with work.
- Your new boss is an ass.
- You could go the route of seeking intermittent FMLA leave, one half-hour at a time, and then you wouldn't need to make up the time. That said, it feels ridiculous to go down this path and use up any of your FMLA time.
Hope this helps! Hang in there!
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| Posted 3/16/13 9:58 AM |
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Does he know you put in the extra hrs? Sounds like he is trying to show his authority. I agree with you this half hr should not be a big deal especially if you are working 11 hrs a day. Just because you are salaried doesn't mean you are required to work infinite hrs. You should talk to him, show him you are being responsible with your request and that the half hr is not impacting your work, the business, or your customers. if he sticks to his guns, make sure that your document everything else going forward, either you will outlast him or he has another agenda. I think new managers especially those who take over where there are experienced employees should go through training to teach them how to assimilate and work WITH the team, the moving and the micromanaging sounds to me like he is insecure.
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| Posted 3/16/13 10:00 AM |
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tara73
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This is how I see it, and how I would see it as a your supervisor.
You are effectively changing your hours for Fridays to come in a half hour later. If your normal schedule is to work 9 to 5 with a 1 hour lunch, then that is your regular schedule. If I allow you to work 9:30 to 5 every Friday, then I am setting a precedence for this to be an acceptable practice. Then it can blossom to you doing it every Friday, Mary doing it every Tuesday and Thursday, now you also need to add Mondays and Wednesdays............ not saying it WOULD happen, but it sets the precedence for it to be an acceptable practice.
Now, if it were a single appointment that wasn't recurring, that is different. i always allowed my staff to do it when it was a single, unique occurrence. I get it, sometimes you may have to pick up a kid by a certain time or maybe you have a second job to get to etc. It is one thing to allow it on an occasional basis, but you're asking for this on a regular, reoccurring basis. I never allowed my staff to work through their breaks on a regular basis, so I wouldn't allow a semi-permanent schedule change like this either.
I wouldn't be snide with him and start talking about how you don't take your lunches etc, because as a manager, I'd respond that you should be taking your lunch break.
What about you switching your appointments to fall within your lunch hour? Is that possible?
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This is how I see it, and how I would see it as a your supervisor.
You are effectively changing your hours for Fridays to come in a half hour later. If your normal schedule is to work 9 to 5 with a 1 hour lunch, then that is your regular schedule. If I allow you to work 9:30 to 5 every Friday, then I am setting a precedence for this to be an acceptable practice. Then it can blossom to you doing it every Friday, Mary doing it every Tuesday and Thursday, now you also need to add Mondays and Wednesdays............ not saying it WOULD happen, but it sets the precedence for it to be an acceptable practice.
Now, if it were a single appointment that wasn't recurring, that is different. i always allowed my staff to do it when it was a single, unique occurrence. I get it, sometimes you may have to pick up a kid by a certain time or maybe you have a second job to get to etc. It is one thing to allow it on an occasional basis, but you're asking for this on a regular, reoccurring basis. I never allowed my staff to work through their breaks on a regular basis, so I wouldn't allow a semi-permanent schedule change like this either.
I wouldn't be snide with him and start talking about how you don't take your lunches etc, because as a manager, I'd respond that you should be taking your lunch break.
What about you switching your appointments to fall within your lunch hour? Is that possible?
These are actually some good points.
I share space with another department and the environment has become VERY toxic because the other department sees me and my team as getting "perks" of leaving early and a flexible schedule.
Granted we are mostly all Master's level employees and have different responsibilities (field based, meeting with sometimes difficult clients and their families vs. their job of being chained to a desk answering phones), but I can totally see how it can be looked at is favoritism by other co-workers, especially if they are in your same position.
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stinger
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Posted by tara73
This is how I see it, and how I would see it as a your supervisor.
You are effectively changing your hours for Fridays to come in a half hour later. If your normal schedule is to work 9 to 5 with a 1 hour lunch, then that is your regular schedule. If I allow you to work 9:30 to 5 every Friday, then I am setting a precedence for this to be an acceptable practice. Then it can blossom to you doing it every Friday, Mary doing it every Tuesday and Thursday, now you also need to add Mondays and Wednesdays............ not saying it WOULD happen, but it sets the precedence for it to be an acceptable practice.
Now, if it were a single appointment that wasn't recurring, that is different. i always allowed my staff to do it when it was a single, unique occurrence. I get it, sometimes you may have to pick up a kid by a certain time or maybe you have a second job to get to etc. It is one thing to allow it on an occasional basis, but you're asking for this on a regular, reoccurring basis. I never allowed my staff to work through their breaks on a regular basis, so I wouldn't allow a semi-permanent schedule change like this either.
I wouldn't be snide with him and start talking about how you don't take your lunches etc, because as a manager, I'd respond that you should be taking your lunch break.
What about you switching your appointments to fall within your lunch hour? Is that possible?
These are actually some good points.
I share space with another department and the environment has become VERY toxic because the other department sees me and my team as getting "perks" of leaving early and a flexible schedule.
Granted we are mostly all Master's level employees and have different responsibilities (field based, meeting with sometimes difficult clients and their families vs. their job of being chained to a desk answering phones), but I can totally see how it can be looked at is favoritism by other co-workers, especially if they are in your same position.
He has 3 of us under him. We all work hard and are having the same bad taste now. We have been a great team. My other issue is that I am a single mom the ONLY way I have been able to manage mine and my kids health and well being is having a flexible schedule. Obviously this is none of his business and I don't expect him to be sympathetic. That's why this is just a vent!!!
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| Posted 3/16/13 10:38 AM |
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Can you find an allergy dr that has hours that work better?
My allergy doctor is close to my office, just for this reason. That way I dont have to wait for the doctor's office to open, go and get the shots, then commute for an hour. This way when I need my shots I just get up earlier so that I am near my office and the doctor so it cuts out the impact.
Also, my doctor opens at 8AM so I will get there by 8:15 in order to get to work by 9. I've also done the lunch thing a few times, if I just wanted to get out of the office or had a busy time when i knew I would'nt make it there in the morning.
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I totally get your vent------trust me.
As a FTWM, the flexibility is the MAIN reason I haven't left where I am.
I also don't doubt that you are working hard either, nor do I personally feel your request is unreasonable.
On the flip though, part of the reason I gave up supervisory roles is because it's tough being in those shoes too.
Usually you are one of the most hated employees. 
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| Posted 3/16/13 10:52 AM |
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It's also possible that your old boss wasn't supposed to give you permission to do this, so the new boss is just enforcing company policy.
I don't really see a boss asking an employee if she will be staying half an hour later because she is coming in half an hour late as micromanaging. Technically, they can make you use sick time for those appointments.
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| Posted 3/16/13 11:18 AM |
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stinger
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It's also possible that your old boss wasn't supposed to give you permission to do this, so the new boss is just enforcing company policy.
I don't really see a boss asking an employee if she will be staying half an hour later because she is coming in half an hour late as micromanaging. Technically, they can make you use sick time for those appointments.
Here's the thing though. It may not be company policy but is expecting to answer emails at night or stay late company policy? I don't think the latter is.
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Posted by sameinitials
It's also possible that your old boss wasn't supposed to give you permission to do this, so the new boss is just enforcing company policy.
I don't really see a boss asking an employee if she will be staying half an hour later because she is coming in half an hour late as micromanaging. Technically, they can make you use sick time for those appointments.
Here's the thing though. It may not be company policy but is expecting to answer emails at night or stay late company policy? I don't think the latter is.
Considering you have a work phone (cell?) and a laptop (you don't say if it is company provided but I can't imagine you would mention it if it weren't) then yes, it is likely part of your job's description/expectations that you be available after hours. Your salary should take this into consideration.
Asking you to work your office hours is not micromanaging you. If anything, your new boss is actually being accommodating to you and your needs by allowing you to be late every Friday, only asking you to work to make up the time. Many, many managers would NOT allow this at all. Many managers would write you up for excessive lateness or deny your request completely.
Maybe try to reschedule the appointments to be at a better time that doesn't interfere with your work schedule. Is there another day that you can go in earlier and maybe leave early for the appointment, then you won't be late getting your kids? I get that it isn't easy with kids, daycare etc, but that isn't your employer's problem. And, unless your schedule change was done in writing, he doesn't have to honor it.
It sounds like you guys all don't like the new boss for whatever the reason is, but I am sure it is more than just this. Regardless of how your coworkers feel, I am going to suggest you take a big step back and evaluate what the root of your distaste really is. Is it a case of being passed over for promotion? Maybe your old boss was hands off? Is it because he doesn't' know you guys yet? Imagine yourself in his shoes for a second too. It's very difficult to come in and manage a team where the old boss was well liked/respected or maybe someone was passed over for promotion, where you don't know the ins and outs etc and to not be given a chance by the team you're managing (and possibly having them work against you) is even harder.
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| Posted 3/16/13 11:55 AM |
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Posted by sameinitials
It's also possible that your old boss wasn't supposed to give you permission to do this, so the new boss is just enforcing company policy.
I don't really see a boss asking an employee if she will be staying half an hour later because she is coming in half an hour late as micromanaging. Technically, they can make you use sick time for those appointments.
Here's the thing though. It may not be company policy but is expecting to answer emails at night or stay late company policy? I don't think the latter is.
Considering you have a work phone (cell?) and a laptop (you don't say if it is company provided but I can't imagine you would mention it if it weren't) then yes, it is likely part of your job's description/expectations that you be available after hours. Your salary should take this into consideration.
Asking you to work your office hours is not micromanaging you. If anything, your new boss is actually being accommodating to you and your needs by allowing you to be late every Friday, only asking you to work to make up the time. Many, many managers would NOT allow this at all. Many managers would write you up for excessive lateness or deny your request completely.
Maybe try to reschedule the appointments to be at a better time that doesn't interfere with your work schedule. Is there another day that you can go in earlier and maybe leave early for the appointment, then you won't be late getting your kids? I get that it isn't easy with kids, daycare etc, but that isn't your employer's problem. And, unless your schedule change was done in writing, he doesn't have to honor it.
It sounds like you guys all don't like the new boss for whatever the reason is, but I am sure it is more than just this. Regardless of how your coworkers feel, I am going to suggest you take a big step back and evaluate what the root of your distaste really is. Is it a case of being passed over for promotion? Maybe your old boss was hands off? Is it because he doesn't' know you guys yet? Imagine yourself in his shoes for a second too. It's very difficult to come in and manage a team where the old boss was well liked/respected or maybe someone was passed over for promotion, where you don't know the ins and outs etc and to not be given a chance by the team you're managing (and possibly having them work against you) is even harder.
Yes you are right the issues we are having are much more than I can say here. We have been facing a lot of problems as a department and our organization as a whole is very dysfunctional. I just need a vacation and a whole new perspective!!
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I think unfortunately, organizational issues are very common.
I know we have them, and it definitely starts at the very top.
I try to focus on all the positives though.
It can be draining, because I often find myself around a few people who are constantly b!tching and moaning, and it's SO HARD to not get wrapped up in it.
The toxicity can be very contagious.
If it makes you feel better, maybe send out some resumes, or put the word out to your networking circles that you are looking.
This absolutely does not mean you have to leave ;).
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