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LIMOMx2
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Obama Supporters...
How do you get over the fact that he has a lack of experience and especially no foreign policy experience? Does this scare you in anyway?
I do think I will vote McCain/Palin but would like to make sure that I am making the most educated vote I can.
TIA
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Obama Supporters...
My reasoning is simple.
i will only vote for McCain/Palin if Bristol Palin gives birth on stage at the republican National Convention.
I need my candidates to really WOW me...
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| Posted 9/4/08 12:33 PM |
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ave1024
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Re: Obama Supporters...
Lets face it. The president doesn't really make most of the decisions. He has a group of people that he confides in (his advisors).
The advisors are really the ones that run the government, along with Congress.
This is why the "experience" arguement is really not that big of a deal (on either side).
Most presidents that lack the experience tend to surround themselves with people that are experienced (Sec of State, Defense Sec, Homeland Sec, etc.)
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| Posted 9/4/08 12:35 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: Obama Supporters...
"experience" isn't helping us any in that department right now, is it????
what foreign policy did Bush have...do MOST govenors have? they are DOMESTIC leaders.
and like I've said, I don't think this YIPPY KAYEEE we are balls to the walls americans...going in and wreckin' **** (my personal interpretation  ) is a great foreign policy.
I LIKE diplomacy. I LIKE the idea of temperance in the right situations.
REMEMBER...Congress has to vote for war (and can bring the resolution on its own, I *THINK* someone correct me if I am wrong)
so having John "war hero" McCain on the red button does not a speedy retaliation make...if that is even what you are looking for.
I do NOT like the Republicans "we are for Israel blindly" approach b/c I feel there is fault on BOTH sides of the Israel-Palestinian conflict (and Israel is guilty of some gross human rights violations) so Obama's approach is welcome.
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| Posted 9/4/08 12:39 PM |
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CookiePuss
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Re: Obama Supporters...
What is Obama's exit strategy in regards to the war in Iraq? I'm not familiar and curious. Does anyone know?
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| Posted 9/4/08 12:39 PM |
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mom2mgn
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Re: Obama Supporters...
Posted by ave1024
Lets face it. The president doesn't really make most of the decisions. He has a group of people that he confides in (his advisors).
The advisors are really the ones that run the government, along with Congress.
This is why the "experience" arguement is really not that big of a deal (on either side).
Most presidents that lack the experience tend to surround themselves with people that are experienced (Sec of State, Defense Sec, Homeland Sec, etc.)
ITA. Also, I lived in St. Louis and saw Obama on the news regularly and I was very impressed by him.
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| Posted 9/4/08 12:42 PM |
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GioiaMia
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Posted by namechange
My reasoning is simple.
i will only vote for McCain/Palin if Bristol Palin gives birth on stage at the republican National Convention.
I need my candidates to really WOW me...
you are a sick sick woman. 
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| Posted 9/4/08 12:42 PM |
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Blu-ize
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I am anxious for the debates because then we will hear specifics.
I just can't vote for McCain/Palin. Maybe if he picked someone more in the middle I might have considered it. If they get in say sayonara to Roe v Wade.
Stay out of my uterus. Bristol Palin had the choice. If Roe v Wade is overturned, the choice is already made for us.
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| Posted 9/4/08 12:43 PM |
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LIMOMx2
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Re: Obama Supporters...
I think too much emphasis is being put on Republican vs. Democrat. Just because Bush is a Republican doesn't mean anything. He is just an idiot no matter what party he is with.
I think more emphasis has to be put on each candidates views, etc.
I don't know much about politics but that is how I feel.
I am trying to figure out what I am missing about Obama.
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| Posted 9/4/08 12:44 PM |
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Obama Supporters...
Posted by 5ofClubs
I think too much emphasis is being put on Republican vs. Democrat. Just because Bush is a Republican doesn't mean anything. He is just an idiot no matter what party he is with.
I think more emphasis has to be put on each candidates views, etc.
I don't know much about politics but that is how I feel.
I am trying to figure out what I am missing about Obama.
yeah but there is a HUGE difference btwn republican and democrat.
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| Posted 9/4/08 12:47 PM |
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OStewarts
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Re: Obama Supporters...
I am inclined to think that "experience" will not get me anywhere if I do not agree with the policies and position of the candidates. I support Obama/Biden's views/positions on the following issues,among others, more than McCain/Palin:
-healthcare
-global warming
-drilling as a secondary option and solar and wind tax credits
-workers' rights
-taxes
-a woman's right to choose, especially in cases of rape or incest
-Supreme Court appointments
-a timeline in Iraq
-nuclear proliferation
By the way, I never really posted on this site before, and I sure did pick a night to come on the site and check it out, didn't I??? I used to post on LIW sometimes. Anyway, I look forward to posting more often and about other topics as well...
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| Posted 9/4/08 1:04 PM |
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JennChris
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Re: Obama Supporters...
IMO the experience thing is a ridiculous argument... The president does not make decisions alone.. he is surrounded by tons of people that are knowledgable and experts in their own "areas".... What I think is important is that the person you want to be Pres to have the same or similar views as you and the same sense of direction for the country.
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| Posted 9/4/08 1:10 PM |
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LIMOMx2
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Re: Obama Supporters...
Posted by JennChris
IMO the experience thing is a ridiculous argument... The president does not make decisions alone.. he is surrounded by tons of people that are knowledgable and experts in their own "areas".... What I think is important is that the person you want to be Pres to have the same or similar views as you and the same sense of direction for the country.
But I think it is important for the President to know what he is talking about and have some sort of background. We shouldn't elect a President that knows nothing and hope that the people around him do should we?
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| Posted 9/4/08 1:17 PM |
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JennChris
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Re: Obama Supporters...
Posted by 5ofClubs
Posted by JennChris
IMO the experience thing is a ridiculous argument... The president does not make decisions alone.. he is surrounded by tons of people that are knowledgable and experts in their own "areas".... What I think is important is that the person you want to be Pres to have the same or similar views as you and the same sense of direction for the country.
But I think it is important for the President to know what he is talking about and have some sort of background. We shouldn't elect a President that knows nothing and hope that the people around him do should we?
I don't think saying he knows nothing is accurate....
and George Bush has experience.. and look what that got us 
I just think that the experience card is something McCain is relying on too much.
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Beth
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Re: Obama Supporters...
Posted by 5ofClubs
Posted by JennChris
IMO the experience thing is a ridiculous argument... The president does not make decisions alone.. he is surrounded by tons of people that are knowledgable and experts in their own "areas".... What I think is important is that the person you want to be Pres to have the same or similar views as you and the same sense of direction for the country.
But I think it is important for the President to know what he is talking about and have some sort of background. We shouldn't elect a President that knows nothing and hope that the people around him do should we?
I don't think anyone iis suggesting that
both canidates are educated and have worked in government
they only person that has ever lived in the White house and could have been elected was HRC
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stickydust
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Re: Obama Supporters...
Posted by 5ofClubs
Posted by JennChris
IMO the experience thing is a ridiculous argument... The president does not make decisions alone.. he is surrounded by tons of people that are knowledgable and experts in their own "areas".... What I think is important is that the person you want to be Pres to have the same or similar views as you and the same sense of direction for the country.
But I think it is important for the President to know what he is talking about and have some sort of background. We shouldn't elect a President that knows nothing and hope that the people around him do should we?
That is true - it is kind of what happened with Bush and look where that got us. Everyone was hoping that because of his connections he would have a really great cabinet and they would be the ones doing the work. Didn't work out so well...
Granted, I think Obama is smarter than Bush but...
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Cpt2007
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Re: Obama Supporters...
As a PP said, a president's cabinet and advisers create a group think atmosphere. Don't think for a minute that just b/c Obama has not had "executive" experience, that he will act like a neophyte. Quite the contrary. There is also a lot of talk about Obama potentially keeping SECDEF Gates on board at the Pentagon.
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DandN
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Re: Obama Supporters...
Obama was my 3rd choice, behind Biden and then Hillary. I'll vote for him, but I wish he were more experienced.
But the rhetoric I'm hearing from the RNC is frightening. This "I'm not apologizing for being an american" line by Thompson underscores what I think is a fundamental difference between the two parties right now.
Like it or not we are in a global economy and we are not leading it - china is. Our reputation is severely tarnished and it's not just about who can keep us safe - it's also about who can rebuild those relationships we need in order to thrive again. America needs to be, for lack of a better term, rebranded. And Obama's being articulate, sensible, and mixed race will, I believe help us in the eyes of the world. Am I voting for him because of just those things? no. I also think McCain is articulate and sensible. But this whole "go it alone" foreign policy is not going to help us.
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Ophelia
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Posted by 5ofClubs
[But I think it is important for the President to know what he is talking about and have some sort of background. We shouldn't elect a President that knows nothing and hope that the people around him do should we?
I would hazard a guess that ANY senator or house member in Washington has a working knowlege of what our executive branch is dealing with in terms of foreign relations, even if they haven't met the president of France or the Shah of Iran first hand.
I am thinking it's CERTAINLY more foreign policy experience than being the Govenor of the most (or second most) remote state in the nation.
by assuming a US Senator knows NOTHING about foreign affairs, you are discrediting McCain and Obama alike. I don't think either of them deserve that.
etremove snarky comment. 
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| Posted 9/4/08 1:22 PM |
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Cpt2007
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Re: Obama Supporters...
Posted by Beth1210
I don't think anyone iis suggesting that
both canidates are educated and have worked in government
they only person that has ever lived in the White house and could have been elected was HRC
Agreed. No one really knows what it is like until they have been there, which neither Obama, McCain, Biden or Palin have.
I also don't think that a lack of "executive" experience disqualifies someone from being President. Look at Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt. We just now think it's a "necessary" thing b/c we have had governors in the WH since Nixon, with the exception of Ford.
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| Posted 9/4/08 1:25 PM |
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cjik
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Re: Obama Supporters...
As a PP said, the president does not make decisions by themselves. They have advisors, a vice president (and Obama picked a very knowledgeable one), and a cabinet. I do not think you can discount the fact that he has run extremely well-organized campaigns so far, and broke new ground with young voters. Besides this, he has his time as a U.S. Senator, and 8 years as a state senator (many people either don't know about this or seem to forget it). He has shown good judgement in his views on Iraq and Afghanistan. Why do we suddenly have a timeline to pull out of Iraq? I think it has a lot to do with his comments, and the fact that the Iraqi President agreed with them vocally. Bush was against this until that news broke.
Also, a lot of people poo poo his ability to motivate and deliver good speeches, but I think these are important traits too. Especially now, with our country in such a mess.
I also think he has some qualities that we desperately need in our next president. Diplomacy, a willingness to talk to nations we have alienated or shunned, and an ability to bring the U.S. out of its recent isolation--all very crucial. McCain has a notorious temper and has nearly come to blows with fellow politicians over issues over the years. This scares me. I don't want someone who cannot control his temper with his colleagues as president.
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MST9106
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Re: Obama Supporters...
Based on my research, listening to debates, the DNC and the RNC, I KNOW I am making the most educated decision by voting for and supporting Obama...thank you very much.
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| Posted 9/4/08 2:29 PM |
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DaniJude
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Re: Obama Supporters...
Posted by shamrock124
What is Obama's exit strategy in regards to the war in Iraq? I'm not familiar and curious. Does anyone know?
quoting the above question (a very valid one) so maybe, just maybe, one of his supporters can answer it.
also, can anyone list a legislative achievement?? doesn't have the be a lot - just one or two is all i'm asking for... and this discussion is NOT about our current president - we are asking about obama as we are *TRYING* to move forward and maybe get better and better with who we elect!
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| Posted 9/4/08 2:33 PM |
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randella
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Re: Obama Supporters...
He can add people to his cabinet who have the expertise who can advise him accordingly.
I personally could NEVER vote for someone who does not promote the woman's right to choose. Not only do I not approve of it, I feel it is indicative of their thoughts and policies on other matters-- very close minded and antiquated.
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| Posted 9/4/08 2:35 PM |
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usuk2004
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Re: Obama Supporters...
Posted by 5ofClubs
I think too much emphasis is being put on Republican vs. Democrat. Just because Bush is a Republican doesn't mean anything. He is just an idiot no matter what party he is with.
I think more emphasis has to be put on each candidates views, etc.
I don't know much about politics but that is how I feel.
I am trying to figure out what I am missing about Obama.
I agree with you in a sense - even though I tend towards the Democrats, I was willing to listen to McCain because I agree with a decent amount of what he's saying. But Palin is just way too conservative for me.
I think in terms of Obama's foreign policy - I can tell you at the moment he has the support and respect of people in a lot of foreign countries and while he may not have direct experience, that's a really good start and will place him in better stead than McCain should he get elected.
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