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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
Posted by CoopersMom01
As far as cancer cluster are concerned, I chalk that up to pure coincidence (I.e. 3 men in my neighborhood (true story)died within one year from lung cancer... they all smoked.... coincidence).
I drink tap water, but I think I have a higher chance of getting breast cancer because it's on both sides of my family, NOT because I live on LI and drink the water.
I can't live my life wondering and worrying where the next sickness is going to come from or what's causing cancer these days. It makes it no fun!
ITA 100%... also I don't really "believe" in cancer clusters. One of my husbands law school professors (he was a city councilman I think) was on the radio comparing cancer clusters to what would happen if you threw a handful of pennies up into the air....so would land in clusters and others wouldn't.. I believe majority of these "clusters" are purely random
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
Posted by cpanyc
This talk of farms is interesting. My family's house in NC is in a development that was built on a farm. They have lived there for over 20 years now. The water comes from a well and there have been no cancer problems with any of our neighbors (or my family).
It will be interesting to see years from now in NC if this cancer cluster theory happens down there. All of the housing boom going on down there is happening on old farmland.
It depends on the type of farmland. Most pesticides/fertilizers would have leached out / runoff by now, but the main problems lie with farmers who used arsenic on their farmland. It has to be properly treated and cleared before building can commence.
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
Posted by Maathy317
A good deal of Long Island was, at one time, farm land either growing produce or sod. A large amount of pesticides and chemicals went into the ground on these farms. When that land was sold, houses were built on it. Those chemicals are still in the ground. Over time this has an affect. The chemicals may not have gotten down far enough to contaminate the aquifier, but, they didn't just disappear either. If I were buying a home on LI at this time, I would stay away from areas that were at one time farms. To me, this just makes sense.
I live in farm country. Grew up with potato farms all around, now wineries. I don't trust the water coming out of the ground around here to let my family drink it.
My DH's grandmother lived upstate in no mans land, had a well and spent 6 months in and out of the hospital because of e coli in her water, it got to the point where it took her life. It makes me feel better drinking water from someplace that is not long island and, from what they say, a spring in Maine (Yes, I get 5 gal. bottles of PS delivered and yes, they recycle those bottles)
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
I wonder what the cancer rates are like in the mid-west - aka: farm country. Anyone read any stats?
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
Click me...
Studies show inconsistencies. Not sure there is any truth to LONG Island areas specifically. Just think the northeast in general.
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Goldi0218
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
I think that certain people and clusters may be predisposed to certain diseases through genetics as well as environmental factors. I have to believe on some level that living/working near a big city is a contributing factor. With so much in the way of emissions on our heavily travelled highways and manufacturing, it simply cannot be good for us. I dont think of the water issue too much. Maybe my thoughts are simple or naive but they are just thoughts.
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
Posted by ChrisDee
FYI- My friends mom who lived in North Shirley and developed cancer twice. She thought it was the drinking water and hired an Environmental Company to test her water and some other things. Turns of there was a underwater stream of contaminated water flowing from Brookhaven Labs to her water supply(she had well water, I believe). They proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt and sued Brookhaven Labs. She won the law suit, however, the deal was she was not aloud to go public with this information!Yup you heard me right, if she told, she would not get the money she needed for her medical bills and living expenses. She risked it and went on Montel Williams and told. However the big powerful company was able to squash it will little backlash.
BTW: High tension wires are also known to cause certain cancers(such as brain cancer) It is not just the water.
There is a major problem that still exists with toxic waste run-off from BNL. The spill went all the way south into the Forge river. The clean-up is still underway. A member of our civic association attends all the meetings in regard to this, its been going on for years. Many people in my neighborhood have well water, including me & we are very close to BNL, but on the north east side. The toxic flows in underground springs down through Shirley into mastic.
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
Posted by Maathy317
A good deal of Long Island was, at one time, farm land either growing produce or sod. A large amount of pesticides and chemicals went into the ground on these farms. When that land was sold, houses were built on it. Those chemicals are still in the ground. Over time this has an affect. The chemicals may not have gotten down far enough to contaminate the aquifer, but, they didn't just disappear either. If I were buying a home on LI at this time, I would stay away from areas that were at one time farms. To me, this just makes sense.
the vast majority of LI's public water comes from the aquifer in the pine barrens, that has never been used in any agricultural form, that is why it is imperative that we preserve the pine barrens.
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
Posted by Goldi0218
I think that certain people and clusters may be predisposed to certain diseases through genetics as well as environmental factors. I have to believe on some level that living/working near a big city is a contributing factor. With so much in the way of emissions on our heavily travelled highways and manufacturing, it simply cannot be good for us. I dont think of the water issue too much. Maybe my thoughts are simple or naive but they are just thoughts.
I agree with this theory, I also think this area eats more processed, microwaved, non-organic food than other areas of the US. We also have incrediable over- use of personal property fertilizers & pesticides.
Up until a few years ago the wood that was used to build 90% of the decks on LI was treated with arsenic.
the list goes on & on
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
Actually, I have always thought of the water on LI as being some of the safest to drink in the country! I think that if you live near a superfund site or a brownfield, you need to be more careful. In Greenlawn, across Pulaski Rd from the old Hazelteen (sp?) building, it was like every other house had an instance of cancer in it. People said it was b/c the company was dumping waste into the fields next to the building. This was the same set of fields that the LIRR wanted to build a train wash yard on.
I'd drink the water up there much sooner than I'd drink the water down here in DC.
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
Posted by Blu-ize
it does give me some peace of mind to drink my bottled water. I don't trust the tap filters either.
Also, after time, the tap water doesn't taste good to me anymore.
So there, I said it.
Agreed ... agreed ... agreed!
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
Posted by Cpt2007
Actually, I have always thought of the water on LI as being some of the safest to drink in the country! I think that if you live near a superfund site or a brownfield, you need to be more careful. In Greenlawn, across Pulaski Rd from the old Hazelteen (sp?) building, it was like every other house had an instance of cancer in it. People said it was b/c the company was dumping waste into the fields next to the building. This was the same set of fields that the LIRR wanted to build a train wash yard on.
I'd drink the water up there much sooner than I'd drink the water down here in DC.
I don't think I have ever heard of that area in Greenlawn being a cancer cluster and half the people I went to school with lived in that neighborhood.  I do believe that there is something to cancer clusters though, so maybe this was just something I didn't hear about.
There was some talk years ago about a link between my dorm at Stony Brook and a high incidence of cancers. A lot of people who lived there came down with cancer in their early 20s, but they were all different types of cancer so who knows? I sometimes thought it was asbestos related.
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
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Not sure the truth behind it, but my sister once told me for every year you breastfeed you reduce your risk of breast cancer by 10%.
So if you breastfeed for 10 years your risk is 0% because you reduced by 100%? This can't be true.
According to this article, at least one study has confirmed that breastfeeding does decrease the risk of breast cancer in women. One study said the risk was decreased by 4.3% per 12 months of breastfeeding and decreased by 7% more for every child born.
Your math really isn't correct. You can't just add percentages like that.
Picking an arbitrary number, say your risk of breast cancer was 100. If it decreases by 10% after 1 year, that's 90%. If you breastfeed another year, then it decreases by 10% again -- but 10% of 90, so by 9, and you're at 81. Another year, decreases by 8.1 and so on.
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
Posted by SweetTooth
Here is what I don't understand:
People are afraid the LI tap water causes cancer.
Why only LI water? Why not water in other parts of the country? I am sure you will find cancer clusters everywhere.
LI is extremely populated. And we were big on farming, so the ground could be laced with toxic chemicals. High use of fertilizer to keep our grasses green.
In addition, the use of cesspools can further contaminate ground water b/c the cesspools leachate seeps into the ground, and in the ground is where our wells are.
When it comes to LI, the problem arises mostly from overpopulation.
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
Posted by TheLorax
Posted by cpanyc
This talk of farms is interesting. My family's house in NC is in a development that was built on a farm. They have lived there for over 20 years now. The water comes from a well and there have been no cancer problems with any of our neighbors (or my family).
It will be interesting to see years from now in NC if this cancer cluster theory happens down there. All of the housing boom going on down there is happening on old farmland.
It depends on the type of farmland. Most pesticides/fertilizers would have leached out / runoff by now, but the main problems lie with farmers who used arsenic on their farmland. It has to be properly treated and cleared before building can commence.
I think I read it takes over 50 years for chemicals to disappate from the ground or the wells.
Just what I *think* I heard.
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Goobster
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
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Posted by Cpt2007
Actually, I have always thought of the water on LI as being some of the safest to drink in the country! I think that if you live near a superfund site or a brownfield, you need to be more careful. In Greenlawn, across Pulaski Rd from the old Hazelteen (sp?) building, it was like every other house had an instance of cancer in it. People said it was b/c the company was dumping waste into the fields next to the building. This was the same set of fields that the LIRR wanted to build a train wash yard on.
I'd drink the water up there much sooner than I'd drink the water down here in DC.
I don't think I have ever heard of that area in Greenlawn being a cancer cluster and half the people I went to school with lived in that neighborhood. I do believe that there is something to cancer clusters though, so maybe this was just something I didn't hear about.
There was some talk years ago about a link between my dorm at Stony Brook and a high incidence of cancers. A lot of people who lived there came down with cancer in their early 20s, but they were all different types of cancer so who knows? I sometimes thought it was asbestos related.
I have heard this recently from a friend of mine from the area too. Upon research, there is an article from many years ago. 1994 NYTimes
I have tried to do research and cannot find what the outcome of this was. It never became a brownfeld or a superfund site so what the deal was, who knows?
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
Not sure if drinking bottle water is really the answer. I do drink bottle water, but now studies show that they can cause cancer too. The fact that they are in plastic and traveling from the place they are made to you its gone through numerous temperature changes. Plus the longer the water is in bottle, the more hazardous it is, the plastic is breaking down into the water.
I try not to think about it. Its sooo horrible how many types of cancers there are out there.
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Goobster
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
Unfortunatley this is a fact of life for us here on LI.
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Kerie-is-so-very
Posted by Cpt2007
Actually, I have always thought of the water on LI as being some of the safest to drink in the country! I think that if you live near a superfund site or a brownfield, you need to be more careful. In Greenlawn, across Pulaski Rd from the old Hazelteen (sp?) building, it was like every other house had an instance of cancer in it. People said it was b/c the company was dumping waste into the fields next to the building. This was the same set of fields that the LIRR wanted to build a train wash yard on.
I'd drink the water up there much sooner than I'd drink the water down here in DC.
I don't think I have ever heard of that area in Greenlawn being a cancer cluster and half the people I went to school with lived in that neighborhood. I do believe that there is something to cancer clusters though, so maybe this was just something I didn't hear about.
There was some talk years ago about a link between my dorm at Stony Brook and a high incidence of cancers. A lot of people who lived there came down with cancer in their early 20s, but they were all different types of cancer so who knows? I sometimes thought it was asbestos related.
I have heard this recently from a friend of mine from the area too. Upon research, there is an article from many years ago. 1994 NYTimes
I have tried to do research and cannot find what the outcome of this was. It never became a brownfeld or a superfund site so what the deal was, who knows?
I'll ask my parents what they know. They've been living in Greenlawn forever and, as old timers, they seem to find out who is sick, who has passed on, etc.
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
I work on an oncology unit and I can atest to the fact that certain neghborhoods are more pone to cancer causing agents. I think you may have a genetic component and then if exposed to certaain toxicity an extended amunt of time your risk increases.
My Mom worked on the Stony Brook University Peds oncology unit for yeas and it was no coincidence in my mind that in 4 months, 6 kids from a 5 miles radius just east of Stny Brook were all diagnosed with the same cancer
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Re: Ok LIers...serious question.
What do I do? I try to live as clean a life as possible (except for the vino, which has shown to strengthen the heart). I detox every couple of months, and I try to live as holistically as possible. I stopped drinking bottled water since the garbage it produced was ridiculous, but I have a special water filter in my house and a whole house filter on top of that (even the water I shower with & brush my teeth with is purified).
What has the government done? Nothing. The set up a superfund site, but then never did anything with it. Ticks me off.
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