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smdl
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One of my dog bit me
I trusted my dog very much.
But tonight spread new light on things.
DH dropped a baby food jar on the floor and one of the dog went to check it out. I grabbed him by his back (I know this was not the most "pleasurable" for him and he cried... I think more because he got scared that I grabbed him) and he just turn his head and got my hand. Luckily he did not broke the skin. Luckily for him!!!! I do have the mark of the teeth though.
He had been not behaving to my "standards" lately. Not listening in the backyard. Last week I did not talk to him for 3 days.
We are talking about my attention seeker dog. He will do anything to please us but he is a goofball. He has to be the center of attention. If you pet one dog, he will come sneek in and leak you to death.
He knew the minute he grabbed my hand that he was in trouble. He ran to hide in his crate.
He NEVER turned on us.
I am not sure how to deal with this. I know he got scared but I don't like those "firsts".
Mostly because I have a 17.5 months son and I want to make sure he is safe.
I never fully trusted them with DS but now I have to make sure that they are never together alone. What if DS hurt one of them unintentionaly.
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Re: One of my dog bit me
Maybe you just scared him.. my westie never bite anyone but has"snapped" even at us once or twice when we've caught her off guard from behind.. think about if someone grabbed you from behind and you didn't know who it was......
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| Posted 12/10/08 8:22 PM |
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Re: One of my dog bit me
i think its equally important to seriously train the dog and the child how to behave... I believe the child has to be taught not do things that might cause the dog to react the way he did with you.. I know how shocked you must be.. I know I would be floored if my dog even growled.. I have never ever heard her growl or even cry for that matter.. But she is an animal and even though I treat her like my daughter i always have to remember she is an animal with inbreded instincs that will always win over in a situation of protection, fear. etc... I would not leave her alone with my DC either, until he was old enough to know how to treat the dog.. Good luck.. 
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| Posted 12/10/08 11:15 PM |
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Re: One of my dog bit me
honestly, I would not blame him, you grabbed him and his instincts took over.....animals are animals. 
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| Posted 12/11/08 11:24 AM |
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smdl
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Re: One of my dog bit me
Posted by Mikismom
honestly, I would not blame him, you grabbed him and his instincts took over.....animals are animals.
It's not the first time he has been grabbed that way.
He is in the dog house right now (meaning I am not talking to him!!). That's the best punishment for him. He knows I am mad at him.
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| Posted 12/11/08 12:28 PM |
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Re: One of my dog bit me
I would suggest you contact a reputable dog trainer asap. These things are very common and you should be able to work through it. Not only do you need to know how to react to him if you see him becoming dominant or aggressive, you need to understand where it comes from too and act appropriately.
Dogs have a very short association time - 3 seconds is best. Ignoring them and otherwise punishing them at any time after that 3 second window is not only futile but detrimental. All he knows at this point is that you're angry and he doesn't understand why, so you are breeding mistrust in him right now. They don't hold grudges like we do.
Now that you have a child, everyone's roles have changed, and it sounds like you need to know how to acclimate to that for everyone's safety and happiness. If he was attention seeking before and you gave it to him, but suddenly took it away when the baby came, he's not going to 'get' that like we do. All bets are off now - the past is just that, and you need to forge a new relationship without pre-conceived expectations.
There has to be a happy medium, and I hope you find it, but don't put that responsibility on your own shoulders. Have a professional help you. Good luck with it Sophie. 
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| Posted 12/11/08 1:30 PM |
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Re: One of my dog bit me
Posted by Mikismom
honestly, I would not blame him, you grabbed him and his instincts took over.....animals are animals.
I have to agree with this. He may have been hurt, scared or startled, and he responded the only way he knew how. My girl dog bit me the other day, for the first time, but I was brushing her beard and hurt her, and she responded. I don't blame her, she was only communicating. Bottom line is, animals always have to be watched with young children, even ones you think you can trust. They are just that, animals who act on instinct.
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| Posted 12/11/08 3:49 PM |
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Re: One of my dog bit me
Posted by greenfreak
Dogs have a very short association time - 3 seconds is best. Ignoring them and otherwise punishing them at any time after that 3 second window is not only futile but detrimental. All he knows at this point is that you're angry and he doesn't understand why, so you are breeding mistrust in him right now. They don't hold grudges like we do.
That is a very good point. We've been training our dog with a professional trainer, and she says that if a dog has bad behavior (growls, bites, etc.) you only have a short window of time to correct the behavior (seconds!) before the dog forgets why they were bad in the first place. In our case, we learned that there is no point in yelling at our dog when we come home and find the mail chewed up because he will have forgotten that he even did it (grr!).
We've been training our dog certain commands ("Leave it," "Stay," etc.) to try to prevent bad behavior before it starts.
Good luck!
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| Posted 12/11/08 4:13 PM |
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Re: One of my dog bit me
Have you been to the vet lately? My Pug was acting out a little bit last month. We found out that his winter itch this season is so bad that he was actually harming his skin and was sensitive to the touch. We had to give him a supplement to help heal his skin. Maybe it is something like that?
If not then I would def talk to a trainer to see what they say.
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| Posted 12/11/08 4:45 PM |
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smdl
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Re: One of my dog bit me
Thanks everyone!
I will not see a trainer because it is not necessary. He has no aggressive behavior. He is at the bottom of the chain and acts like a total beta dog. He will only eat when the other dog allows him. He needs constent attention and love. He will lay on the floor if we raise our voice (well, my voice!).
I know him since he is 10 weeks old.
I got shocked that he turned to snap. And as a beta he knew how bad he did. I did not expect it. I trained both of my dogs very early on.
He knows he did something wrong. He had been trying to lick the hand he bit yesterday several times. So it's clear he knew why I was not talking to him.
We actually worked on it today. I "talk" to him again. We have worked on grabbing by the back, etc....
For those who FM about DS and the dogs. DS is also "trained" on not hitting the dogs and he does not. He is only allowed to pet them but usually he does not pay any attention to them.
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| Posted 12/11/08 5:17 PM |
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Re: One of my dog bit me
You said you didn't know what to do so I offered my suggestions. You sound very sure of yourself now though so if whatever you come up with yourself works, that's all anyone can hope for.
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| Posted 12/11/08 8:57 PM |
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Re: One of my dog bit me
Honestly, I would NOT consider this incident him turning on you.
You grabbed him from behind by the scruff of the neck, admittedly not a "pleasureable" thing. I'm sure you scared him and he reacted.
I really don't think it's something you need to worry about especially considering he didn't bite you hard enough to break the skin and immediately following he knew he did something terribly wrong and went to his crate.
I'd say you have a VERY well trained dog, count your blessings.
As for your child, you should NEVER leave a child that young alone with ANY animal. God forbid your child did something to hurt the dog, the consequences could be disasterous. Honestly, when it comes to kids, I trust my dogs more than the kids.
I know my dog will walk away, I can't be sure a child would stop "bugging" my dog therefore causing a possibly horrible outcome.
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Re: One of my dog bit me
Posted by smdl
Posted by Mikismom
honestly, I would not blame him, you grabbed him and his instincts took over.....animals are animals.
It's not the first time he has been grabbed that way.
He is in the dog house right now (meaning I am not talking to him!!). That's the best punishment for him. He knows I am mad at him.
You should NEVER grab a dog like that whether it's on a regular basis or not. You made the dog yelp... that's extreme. If I were the dog I would have gone for your hand as well.
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| Posted 12/12/08 12:15 AM |
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Re: One of my dog bit me
Posted by smdl
We actually worked on it today. I "talk" to him again. We have worked on grabbing by the back, etc....
Gracious, I should HOPE you're not training the dog to be ok with being grabbed by the back hairs... that's borderline abuse IMO. 
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| Posted 12/12/08 12:20 AM |
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smdl
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Re: One of my dog bit me
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Posted by smdl
We actually worked on it today. I "talk" to him again. We have worked on grabbing by the back, etc....
Gracious, I should HOPE you're not training the dog to be ok with being grabbed by the back hairs... that's borderline abuse IMO.
My dogs are not abused. 
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| Posted 12/12/08 8:48 AM |
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Re: One of my dog bit me
I am not going to say whether I agree or disagree with your "techniques" as I am not trying to start  BUT, I will say that animals are animals and no dog should have to "deal" with being made uncomfortable. That's all......
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| Posted 12/12/08 10:32 AM |
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Re: One of my dog bit me
Posted by Mikismom
I am not going to say whether I agree or disagree with your "techniques" as I am not trying to start BUT, I will say that animals are animals and no dog should have to "deal" with being made uncomfortable. That's all......
I think this is very well said and you make a great point.
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| Posted 12/12/08 10:39 AM |
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Re: One of my dog bit me
Why did you have the need to grab him so harshly?? You could have used a command like no or hey.. You were so ruff with the dog he even cried.. This is no way to treat a pet.. Why would you think that hurting you dear pet would be a soultion.. And not "talking to him" for 3 days ??? Is that a joke??? I think you need some training... 
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| Posted 12/12/08 10:47 AM |
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smdl
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Re: One of my dog bit me
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Posted by Mikismom
I am not going to say whether I agree or disagree with your "techniques" as I am not trying to start BUT, I will say that animals are animals and no dog should have to "deal" with being made uncomfortable. That's all......
I think this is very well said and you make a great point.
Well, they are trained to have their food, bone or toys taken away. They look at me like "mommy, why are you taking my food away?" but it is necessary. Because if I have some kids visiting us, I know they are used to have they food taken and won't bit a child face for it. Do I take their food away all the time? No. Do I do it once in a while? Absolutely. I sometimes carry them by the skin of their neck so does DH. Do we do it everyday? No. But they need to be able to accept it if only I need to do it for their own safety.
I grabbed the dog's back to stop him from running in the broken glass.
Maybe some of you don't agree with giving dogs rules. But I have 2 small dogs. They get wild. I consider them my kids. They get disciplined. Just like DS does not get to do everything he wants to do (FYI... I don't grab DS' neck!!!).
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| Posted 12/12/08 10:51 AM |
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Re: One of my dog bit me
Posted by smdl
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Posted by Mikismom
I am not going to say whether I agree or disagree with your "techniques" as I am not trying to start BUT, I will say that animals are animals and no dog should have to "deal" with being made uncomfortable. That's all......
I think this is very well said and you make a great point.
Well, they are trained to have their food, bone or toys taken away. They look at me like "mommy, why are you taking my food away?" but it is necessary. Because if I have some kids visiting us, I know they are used to have they food taken and won't bit a child face for it. Do I take their food away all the time? No. Do I do it once in a while? Absolutely. I sometimes carry them by the skin of their neck so does DH. Do we do it everyday? No. But they need to be able to accept it if only I need to do it for their own safety.
I grabbed the dog's back to stop him from running in the broken glass.
Maybe some of you don't agree with giving dogs rules. But I have 2 small dogs. They get wild. I consider them my kids. They get disciplined. Just like DS does not get to do everything he wants to do (FYI... I don't grab DS' neck!!!).
I guess what is confusing to me is this. You grabbed the dog, he yelped and bit you. What are you mad at HIM about. It was an instinct that all animals have, to defend themselves. I feel like if you are going to grab and hurt him, you cannot blame him for snapping. That was my point.
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| Posted 12/12/08 10:54 AM |
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smdl
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Re: One of my dog bit me
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Posted by smdl
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Mikismom
I am not going to say whether I agree or disagree with your "techniques" as I am not trying to start BUT, I will say that animals are animals and no dog should have to "deal" with being made uncomfortable. That's all......
I think this is very well said and you make a great point.
Well, they are trained to have their food, bone or toys taken away. They look at me like "mommy, why are you taking my food away?" but it is necessary. Because if I have some kids visiting us, I know they are used to have they food taken and won't bit a child face for it. Do I take their food away all the time? No. Do I do it once in a while? Absolutely. I sometimes carry them by the skin of their neck so does DH. Do we do it everyday? No. But they need to be able to accept it if only I need to do it for their own safety.
I grabbed the dog's back to stop him from running in the broken glass.
Maybe some of you don't agree with giving dogs rules. But I have 2 small dogs. They get wild. I consider them my kids. They get disciplined. Just like DS does not get to do everything he wants to do (FYI... I don't grab DS' neck!!!).
I guess what is confusing to me is this. You grabbed the dog, he yelped and bit you. What are you mad at HIM about. It was an instinct that all animals have, to defend themselves. I feel like if you are going to grab and hurt him, you cannot blame him for snapping. That was my point.
I understand. I got confused myself when I 1st posted. I know why he did it. Yet, I was "hurt" that he did it.
The reason for not talking to him is that this dog is an attention seeker so I know that if I don't talk to him this is the best way to make him understand that I was not happy with him. My other dog would not care less if I talk to him or not. He is much more independent so I have to act differently with him.
To clarify, when I said I worked with him and "grabbed" him (which I had put in quotes) by the back again. I did not do it like I did when I stopped him the 1st time. I just pet him. "Lift" his skin with my hand and showed him what I did and told him he was a good boy. I did it for a couple of times. He looked at what I was doing.
I have HIGH expectations from my dogs. They are like my kids. I had them since they were 10 weeks old. We never boarded them because of our fear they would be mistreated.
So I understand why he did it. I scared him because "as usual" he was on mission to go check what was going on with DH and the broken glass and I stopped him when he least expected it.
But like I said, I was disappointed that he did it.
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| Posted 12/12/08 11:05 AM |
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Re: One of my dog bit me
Posted by smdl
The reason for not talking to him is that this dog is an attention seeker so I know that if I don't talk to him this is the best way to make him understand that I was not happy with him.
In all seriousness, and not in an insulting way at all do I ask this: when you say you know it's the best way, are you basing that on any advice from professionals? All the dog behaviorists I've read have said that's a common misconception. What do you think about that? That it's possible he doesn't "get it" at all and is simply afraid of you because you're mad and because he doesn't know why?
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| Posted 12/12/08 12:06 PM |
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Re: One of my dog bit me
You have multiple dogs, is it possible he thought your hand was one of the other dogs ?
Just because of where you grabbed him and he couldn't see you.
Probably a stretch......
How old is he ?
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Re: One of my dog bit me
Posted by smdl
I sometimes carry them by the skin of their neck so does DH. Do we do it everyday? No. But they need to be able to accept it if only I need to do it for their own safety.
I grabbed the dog's back to stop him from running in the broken glass.
Maybe some of you don't agree with giving dogs rules. But I have 2 small dogs. They get wild. I consider them my kids. They get disciplined. Just like DS does not get to do everything he wants to do (FYI... I don't grab DS' neck!!!).
IMO this is a form of abuse. I have two Pit Bull Terrier puppies - I've NEVER needed to grab them by their necks nor have I EVER had to grab them anywhere that makes them cry.
It is MY opinion that you and your DH need to rethink how you handle your two SMALL dogs.
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Re: One of my dog bit me
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by smdl
I sometimes carry them by the skin of their neck so does DH. Do we do it everyday? No. But they need to be able to accept it if only I need to do it for their own safety.
I grabbed the dog's back to stop him from running in the broken glass.
Maybe some of you don't agree with giving dogs rules. But I have 2 small dogs. They get wild. I consider them my kids. They get disciplined. Just like DS does not get to do everything he wants to do (FYI... I don't grab DS' neck!!!).
IMO this is a form of abuse. I have two Pit Bull Terrier puppies - I've NEVER needed to grab them by their necks nor have I EVER had to grab them anywhere that makes them cry.
It is MY opinion that you and your DH need to rethink how you handle your two SMALL dogs.
grabbing dogs by the scruff of their neck is painless, FTR
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