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Porrruss
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Re: Palin..just some of my own personal thoughts...add yours if you'd like...
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Posted by Porrruss
If Palin's son were 10 with DS, and her daughter had her baby a year ago, this wouldn't be a blip on my radar.
But considering this is all happening NOW- just 2 months before election day leads me to believe that there is NO WAY she can be properly focused on our country in crisis when her own family is in crisis.
But Bill Clinton could focus on our country while getting blow jobs in OUR oval office?????? 
AND John Edwards launched his political run for PRESIDENT while his wife had cancer!! But did we have issue with that?? Nope!
I certainly did. I felt the exact same way that I feel right now about Palin.
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Jacksmommy
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Obviously you have never been in the house when the parent gets a diagnosis of a disability. Even when children qualify for EI based on a speech delay, I have had SEVERAL parents cry. There are lots of parents that do need therapy when their child is diagnosed. I have seen many families unfortunately fall apart due to disabilities.
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TheInfamousOTG
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Posted by KellyFG
Just like we try to create a "jury of our peers" in our judicial system, I think its time to have politicians that are more representative of all facets of our population.
We've had too many years of people that were born & breed to be professional politicians and have absolutely no clue what the average working class person/ wife/ mother of a child with special needs/ minority/ you fill in the blank feels like.
Obvisously wearing her homelife hat & the VP hat would be an extraordiary task for Palin or anyone. Maybe its time to see if this works.
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Domino
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Absolutely. i believe in change of the family structure. I'm not saying that i would want to go back to a woman being told that she HAD to stay home and cook and clean and that was her "lot" in life. You made arrangements to have your husband home during the day, so a parent IS raising your children. Was the 14-16 hour work day too extreme? No, I see it every day. One of my very close friends' husband is an attorney in NYC. he leaves at 6am and gets home at 7:30. She works in the medical field and works 10 hour days. Two days a week she puts the kids on the bus the other three the 19 y/o nanny does. Guess who gets the kids off the bus? The nanny. Guess who does the homework with the kids? The nanny. my firiends spend an hour or so in the evenning with their two children and then the kids go to bed....they attempt to "make up" the time on the weekend. This is where I think the breakdown is.
As far as male or female VP...as long as a parent or family member is home caring for the children, I'm all for it....but when she is off flying to Iraq, and china, and brazil and japan and africa 50% of the time and traveling with her husband who is home caring for her children? Or is she going to check in every few days to say "Sorry, mommy and daddy wish wish we could be there but we're helping to run the country....we'll be home soon..."
And I'm with ya....I think everyone's opinions are important....a good debate is important....
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Jacksmommy
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Posted by KellyFG
Posted by happytobreathe
As a special education teacher... a child with a disability does not make a family crisis.
As a one-time pregnant unwed teenager & a mother of a child with special needs I don't feel comfortable refering to it as a crisis.
Life isn't always a bowl of cherries, that's life. The weak fail, the strong prevail.
Absolutely, but is being the VP of the United States the time to see if she is weak or strong?
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happytobreathe
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Palin's are just starting out- and need every bit of attention they can get from both mom and dad. As a parent, I can't imagine being in their position right now and expected to also run for VP.......
Then Obama should drop out, too, since he has 2 young girls that need BOTH of their parents at home??
No- neither of his daughters are 4 months old with DS (and will need extensive EI services) OR pg.
Sorry- the Palin family is in crisis right now. Neither she nor her husband should be focused on anything but that.
As a special education teacher... a child with a disability does not make a family crisis.
As a special educator AS WELL- a family who has a newborn with special needs most defintiely IS in crisis when their teenager is also pg. Please don't twist my words- read everything I wrote.
I am not twisting your words. You wrote that the Palin family is in crisis. A pregnant teenager and a child with a disability is not a CRISIS. A crisis is according to dictionary.com
"1. a stage in a sequence of events at which the trend of all future events, esp. for better or for worse, is determined; turning point.
2. a condition of instability or danger, as in social, economic, political, or international affairs, leading to a decisive change.
3. a dramatic emotional or circumstantial upheaval in a person's life.
4. Medicine/Medical.
a. the point in the course of a serious disease at which a decisive change occurs, leading either to recovery or to death.
b. the change itself.
5. the point in a play or story at which hostile elements are most tensely opposed to each other. "
A CRISIS IS what happened during KATRINA. Like an OP said..only the strong prevail. I agree her family is facing a hardship or difficult time but it is surely not a CRISIS.
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neenie
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Posted by KellyFG
Posted by happytobreathe
As a special education teacher... a child with a disability does not make a family crisis.
As a one-time pregnant unwed teenager & a mother of a child with special needs I don't feel comfortable refering to it as a crisis.
Life isn't always a bowl of cherries, that's life. The weak fail, the strong prevail.
Well said, Kelly.
And, I can't believe that Rachel's post turned into exactly what she was speaking against- basing the decision and qualifications on her being a Mother, on her being a woman is SO wrong and setting us back so far. If you disagree with her politics, fine, but to say that she belongs home, in the house, tending to her family? Seriously? 
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BaroqueMama
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Posted by ejm1219
Obviously you have never been in the house when the parent gets a diagnosis of a disability. Even when children qualify for EI based on a speech delay, I have had SEVERAL parents cry. There are lots of parents that do need therapy when their child is diagnosed. I have seen many families unfortunately fall apart due to disabilities.
How do you know ANYTHING about my personal experiences? You know nothing about me and my life. To ME, crisis is the wrong word. And that is the reality of it.
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Posted by ejm1219
Obviously you have never been in the house when the parent gets a diagnosis of a disability. Even when children qualify for EI based on a speech delay, I have had SEVERAL parents cry. There are lots of parents that do need therapy when their child is diagnosed. I have seen many families unfortunately fall apart due to disabilities.
She's aware of the road she has ahead of her and she still chose to take on this position. That's all that matters.
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happytobreathe
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Posted by ejm1219
Obviously you have never been in the house when the parent gets a diagnosis of a disability. Even when children qualify for EI based on a speech delay, I have had SEVERAL parents cry. There are lots of parents that do need therapy when their child is diagnosed. I have seen many families unfortunately fall apart due to disabilities.
How do you know ANYTHING about my personal experiences? You know nothing about me and my life. To ME, crisis is the wrong word. And that is the reality of it.
Rachel...I couldn't agree more.
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Jacksmommy
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Re: Palin..just some of my own personal thoughts...add yours if you'd like...
Posted by prncss
Posted by ejm1219
Obviously you have never been in the house when the parent gets a diagnosis of a disability. Even when children qualify for EI based on a speech delay, I have had SEVERAL parents cry. There are lots of parents that do need therapy when their child is diagnosed. I have seen many families unfortunately fall apart due to disabilities.
How do you know ANYTHING about my personal experiences? You know nothing about me and my life. To ME, crisis is the wrong word. And that is the reality of it.
You are right and I apologize. I am just saying from MY personal experiences, sometimes it is a crisis, or as another poster said "hardship" or adversity.
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| Posted 9/1/08 7:53 PM |
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Jacksmommy
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Posted by ejm1219
Obviously you have never been in the house when the parent gets a diagnosis of a disability. Even when children qualify for EI based on a speech delay, I have had SEVERAL parents cry. There are lots of parents that do need therapy when their child is diagnosed. I have seen many families unfortunately fall apart due to disabilities.
She's aware of the road she has ahead of her and she still chose to take on this position. That's all that matters.
Is she? How do we know that?
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Porrruss
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I think the term "crisis" came from my post and was taken out of context.
Let me reiterate: Having a child with special needs does not necessarily put a family in crisis. HOWEVER, having a family with a newborn with special needs AND a pregnant teen-aged daughter 2 months before the National Election DOES (to me anyway) qualify as a family crisis.....
OK?
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mcl916
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Posted by KellyFG
Posted by happytobreathe
As a special education teacher... a child with a disability does not make a family crisis.
As a one-time pregnant unwed teenager & a mother of a child with special needs I don't feel comfortable refering to it as a crisis.
Life isn't always a bowl of cherries, that's life. The weak fail, the strong prevail.
Well said, Kelly.
And, I can't believe that Rachel's post turned into exactly what she was speaking against- basing the decision and qualifications on her being a Mother, on her being a woman is SO wrong and setting us back so far. If you disagree with her politics, fine, but to say that she belongs home, in the house, tending to her family? Seriously?
I feel the same way. It's fine if you don't like her becuase of her political views and feel that her daughters pregnancy goes against all that- whatever. But to say she shouldn't be in the white house becuase she needs to stay home with her family, it just doesn't sit right. It's not something I would personally *choose* to do, but don't we want women to have choices such as this?? Don't we want women to break the glass ceiling? And who is to say that just becuase she isn't in the white house will mean she is sitting at home with her family? She obvioulsy has built her politcal career and that is what her dreams are.
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BaroqueMama
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Posted by ejm1219
Posted by prncss
Posted by ejm1219
Obviously you have never been in the house when the parent gets a diagnosis of a disability. Even when children qualify for EI based on a speech delay, I have had SEVERAL parents cry. There are lots of parents that do need therapy when their child is diagnosed. I have seen many families unfortunately fall apart due to disabilities.
How do you know ANYTHING about my personal experiences? You know nothing about me and my life. To ME, crisis is the wrong word. And that is the reality of it.
You are right and I apologize. I am just saying from MY personal experiences, sometimes it is a crisis, or as another poster said "hardship" or adversity.
I appreciate your apology, and we all can only speak from our own experiences, so I can absolutely see where you would have your opinion on the situation.
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MissJones
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Posted by ejm1219
Absolutely, but is being the VP of the United States the time to see if she is weak or strong?
Excellent point.
As for the whole crisis thing...to a 13 year old girl, Billy liking Sally more is a crisis to that girl.
To a bride on her wedding day, the dj not showing up is a crisis to that bride.
To a single mom whose babysitter called sick and family lives hours away...that is a crisis to her.
To those in NO, Katrina was a crisis to them.
To a 17 year old girl, becoming pregnant is a crisis. Is it as grand as Katrina or the Tsunami? Probably not, but to her, it is still a crisis nonetheless.
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Porrruss
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Posted by Porrruss
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Posted by Porrruss
Palin's are just starting out- and need every bit of attention they can get from both mom and dad. As a parent, I can't imagine being in their position right now and expected to also run for VP.......
Then Obama should drop out, too, since he has 2 young girls that need BOTH of their parents at home??
No- neither of his daughters are 4 months old with DS (and will need extensive EI services) OR pg.
Sorry- the Palin family is in crisis right now. Neither she nor her husband should be focused on anything but that.
As a special education teacher... a child with a disability does not make a family crisis.
As a special educator AS WELL- a family who has a newborn with special needs most defintiely IS in crisis when their teenager is also pg. Please don't twist my words- read everything I wrote.
I am not twisting your words. You wrote that the Palin family is in crisis. A pregnant teenager and a child with a disability is not a CRISIS. A crisis is according to dictionary.com
"1. a stage in a sequence of events at which the trend of all future events, esp. for better or for worse, is determined; turning point.
2. a condition of instability or danger, as in social, economic, political, or international affairs, leading to a decisive change.
3. a dramatic emotional or circumstantial upheaval in a person's life.
4. Medicine/Medical.
a. the point in the course of a serious disease at which a decisive change occurs, leading either to recovery or to death.
b. the change itself.
5. the point in a play or story at which hostile elements are most tensely opposed to each other. "
A CRISIS IS what happened during KATRINA. Like an OP said..only the strong prevail. I agree her family is facing a hardship or difficult time but it is surely not a CRISIS.
I'd agree with #3 here? Look- we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.
Like the PP said, what is deemed a "crisis" to a person is pretty subjective. To me- what the Palin's are going through would likely put me and my family into crisis mode. I'm sorry- but I just don't believe a family going through this 2 months before the election is in the right frame of mind to lead our country. Not sure why it's becoming such an argument.
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dm24angel
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Posted by MissJones
Posted by ejm1219
Absolutely, but is being the VP of the United States the time to see if she is weak or strong?
Excellent point.
As for the whole crisis thing...to a 13 year old girl, Billy liking Sally more is a crisis to that girl.
To a bride on her wedding day, the dj not showing up is a crisis to that bride.
To a single mom whose babysitter called sick and family lives hours away...that is a crisis to her.
To those in NO, Katrina was a crisis to them.
To a 17 year old girl, becoming pregnant is a crisis. Is it as grand as Katrina or the Tsunami? Probably not, but to her, it is still a crisis nonetheless.
agree here as well.
If she was going to go work at the corporate office down the block I would CARE LESS.
The point is shes running for SECOND IN COMMAND....that IS a diiference.
The VP has a bit of a different work schedule then my mom I can say that much.
how can anyone say its the same as any other job?
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july0105
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I think the root of all of this is the unrelenting judging that women do to each other. This is something we've all talked about on here. Is it It is true that her family is facing issues right now. I have heard people IRL saying she should be at home bonding with her baby. This, in my opinion, is none of our business. I frankly do not think this is going to make people vote or not vote for John McCain and Sarah Palin for President and VP. I do not agree with her politics, but I have no right to judge her decision to accept the nomination of the Republican party.
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dm24angel
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Posted by july0105
I think the root of all of this is the unrelenting judging that women do to each other. This is something we've all talked about on here. Is it It is true that her family is facing issues right now. I have heard people IRL saying she should be at home bonding with her baby. This, in my opinion, is none of our business. I frankly do not think this is going to make people vote or not vote for John McCain and Sarah Palin for President and VP. I do not agree with her politics, but I have no right to judge her decision to accept the nomination of the Republican party.
and I feel I can judge ALL the candidates on their personal and professional actions when they could possibly be making many decisions for ME as chief of staff of the entire country.
Im SURE in response many things are going to be coming out about obama and Biden ( mccains camp will need to get focus off them) and as a democrat I will be listening and judging them just the same.
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Posted by july0105
I think the root of all of this is the unrelenting judging that women do to each other.
ITA.
I think they should def be judged on their politics and platforms, but to say that they can't do something bc of their role as a mother or woman- just crazy to me.
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MissJones
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Another thought...if this situation was happening to a friend or family member...if someone's sister or cousing was applying for a corporate job and she just found out her daughter was pg and she also had a 4 month old baby with special needs at home, and she said "Hey, ya, you know what...I'm still going for that job." I think that there would be a lot of posts on the Relationship Board declaring that sister or cousin out of her mind and that she had an obligation to her family first. So how is this different? Because nobody here knows her? 
When someone CHOOSES to have a family, and that is a big thing that separates us from animals...the ability to CONSCIOUSLY choose to have a child (and if you are having sex, you are taking that chance), then you know what? It is your responsibility to take care of that family. Man OR woman...it is not sexist to say that.
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happytobreathe
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It is amazing though that a woman was chosen!
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mcl916
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One other thing that is missing is that how do we know what will happen with her children? How do we know that she doesn't have a large extended family that will help? Isn't that how things were only a few centuries ago? Perhaps there is a VERY strong family at home that has agreed to help out. I just feel that it is impossible to judge her based on this without all the information.
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Posted by MissJones
Another thought...if this situation was happening to a friend or family member...if someone's sister or cousing was applying for a corporate job and she just found out her daughter was pg and she also had a 4 month old baby with special needs at home, and she said "Hey, ya, you know what...I'm still going for that job." I think that there would be a lot of posts on the Relationship Board declaring that sister or cousin out of her mind and that she had an obligation to her family first. So how is this different? Because nobody here knows her?
I completely disagree with your statement
clearly this would not be something YOU would do. but that doesn't mean it's the right thing for everyone.
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