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ali120206
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Re: Poll: To Reopen or Not
Posted by NervousNell
Sitting on a wide open beach, with 50% capacity, in the fresh air- while all families are 6 feet apart on their own blankets etc is a lot safer, IMO, than being in a crowded Walmart or Target or even a small store.
That's probably why the are doing it at this point.
People can try to flock to the beaches all they want but just cutting the parking lot capacities by 50% which is what they will do will prevent overwhelming crowds.
The field I go to at Robert Moses has so much open space it would be easy to spread out even on a full capacity day- people don't want to because they like to sit on top of each other and the water- but it's 100% possible. Now cut that capacity by 50% and enforce it more and it's even easier.
I think also they figure that people are going to go anyway - might as well make it as safe as possible - I mean there would be a huge increase in drownings as well if they didn't officially open.
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seaside
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Re: Poll: To Reopen or Not
I am surprised at how many people are scared to be among the first to receive a vaccine that will have been deemed safe, but have no issue being among the first to try out our new open, socially distant society before businesses and politicians spot and work out what will invariably be the kinks and pitfalls there.
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Diane
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Re: Poll: To Reopen or Not
Posted by seaside
I am surprised at how many people are scared to be among the first to receive a vaccine that will have been deemed safe, but have no issue being among the first to try out our new open, socially distant society before businesses and politicians spot and work out what will invariably be the kinks and pitfalls there.
How do you know it is safe? How about the politicians receive it first and then we will see .
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Pomegranate5
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Re: Poll: To Reopen or Not
Posted by seaside
I am surprised at how many people are scared to be among the first to receive a vaccine that will have been deemed safe, but have no issue being among the first to try out our new open, socially distant society before businesses and politicians spot and work out what will invariably be the kinks and pitfalls there.
Speaking for myself: If my family catches the virus (which is not a guarantee since we have now put into practice great ways to protect ourselves), there is still only a 1% chance of severe symptoms and/or death. And realistically it’s probably lower but I’m being generous.
If we take a vaccine that has had *maybe* 12 months of testing and no long term results, and down the line we all find out it wasn’t safe, what percentage do you think we face of unknown suffering? I bet it’s higher than 1%. And it still would most likely not guarantee immunity.
Everyone is hopefully going to get a chance to weigh the risks for themselves and their families and decide which choice they are comfortable with.
And ftr I’m am pro vaccine and have always vaccinated my kids on schedule. We have even, depending on the year, all gotten the flu shot.
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NervousNell
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Re: Poll: To Reopen or Not
Posted by Pomegranate5
Posted by seaside
I am surprised at how many people are scared to be among the first to receive a vaccine that will have been deemed safe, but have no issue being among the first to try out our new open, socially distant society before businesses and politicians spot and work out what will invariably be the kinks and pitfalls there.
Speaking for myself: If my family catches the virus (which is not a guarantee since we have now put into practice great ways to protect ourselves), there is still only a 1% chance of severe symptoms and/or death. And realistically it’s probably lower but I’m being generous.
If we take a vaccine that has had *maybe* 12 months of testing and no long term results, and down the line we all find out it wasn’t safe, what percentage do you think we face of unknown suffering? I bet it’s higher than 1%. And it still would most likely not guarantee immunity.
Everyone is hopefully going to get a chance to weigh the risks for themselves and their families and decide which choice they are comfortable with.
And ftr I’m am pro vaccine and have always vaccinated my kids on schedule. We have even, depending on the year, all gotten the flu shot.
Same. I am pro vaccine. My DD gets all her vaccines, on time and on schedule, since birth.
She gets the flu shot every year.
This one- I'm leery about just due to the time table and the rush to get one..
Also, people speak of this virus as if it's an automatic death sentence for the great majority of the population. And it's not. Not even close.
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Naturalmama
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Re: Poll: To Reopen or Not
Posted by Pomegranate5
Posted by seaside
I am surprised at how many people are scared to be among the first to receive a vaccine that will have been deemed safe, but have no issue being among the first to try out our new open, socially distant society before businesses and politicians spot and work out what will invariably be the kinks and pitfalls there.
Speaking for myself: If my family catches the virus (which is not a guarantee since we have now put into practice great ways to protect ourselves), there is still only a 1% chance of severe symptoms and/or death. And realistically it’s probably lower but I’m being generous.
If we take a vaccine that has had *maybe* 12 months of testing and no long term results, and down the line we all find out it wasn’t safe, what percentage do you think we face of unknown suffering? I bet it’s higher than 1%. And it still would most likely not guarantee immunity.
Everyone is hopefully going to get a chance to weigh the risks for themselves and their families and decide which choice they are comfortable with.
And ftr I’m am pro vaccine and have always vaccinated my kids on schedule. We have even, depending on the year, all gotten the flu shot.
My children are 100% vaccinated, on time. But there is no way I will allow any of us to receive a vaccine that they are saying may be available as early as December, when the pandemic didn't even start here until February. That is a 10 month window on something that usually takes years? No thanks.
I do not blindly believe that scientists always get things right. They are not God, and, like everyone else, make mistakes. I also believe they are being pressured to rush this vaccine, since so many say it is the only way they will go back to work/school. If it is available by December, every person should have the choice to give it to their family or not. It should not be something required to go back out into society.
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| Posted 5/20/20 8:40 AM |
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seaside
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Re: Poll: To Reopen or Not
Interesting perspectives and I can see where they come from. For us, my friends on the front lines, with more scientific knowledge and training than I have, tell me that the vaccine will be vetted as all others are (nothig magical about waiting an extra year or two), and designed largely as others have been. They say the disease is way riskier, so I will be going with that.
My only other research would involve my googling skills, and library research, and I wouldn't put those up against my friends' years of training and wealth of knowledge.
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soontobemommyof2
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Re: Poll: To Reopen or Not
Posted by seaside
Interesting perspectives and I can see where they come from. For us, my friends on the front lines, with more scientific knowledge and training than I have, tell me that the vaccine will be vetted as all others are (nothig magical about waiting an extra year or two), and designed largely as others have been. They say the disease is way riskier, so I will be going with that.
My only other research would involve my googling skills, and library research, and I wouldn't put those up against my friends' years of training and wealth of knowledge.
I do agree with u. They have years and years of training and can be very knowledgeable in their areas but unfortunately, in medical school, a very small time is dedicated to vaccines, the components, what they can do to the body, etc. I’m not pulling this out of my a$$, it’s a fact. I encourage u to have a conversation about this with ur pediatrician and u’ll see the amount of education they receive in schools about vaccines. I don’t believe in vaccines (as they’re now...with zero liability and with highly questionable components) but I do not impose my views on anyone. I, however, firmly believe in the right to choose and for fully informed consent, but how can we expect drs to fully and comprehensively inform parents when they don’t even have the proper education (in this subject) to begin with??
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Christine2
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Re: Poll: To Reopen or Not
In terms of vaccines, there is a 98% chance you will survive if you get the virus. Of the 2% (probably much less if we actually knew the true number of infections), the vast majority are older. In fact, they are OLDER than the median age of death in the country. So, yes, I will take my chances and avoid the vaccine for me AND my children. And yes, they are vaccinated for all children viruses. My biggest fear is the rush and the probability that the vaccine won't be terribly effective (like the flu vaccine which we skip anyway).
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Re: Poll: To Reopen or Not
Posted by Christine2
In terms of vaccines, there is a 98% chance you will survive if you get the virus. Of the 2% (probably much less if we actually knew the true number of infections), the vast majority are older. In fact, they are OLDER than the median age of death in the country. So, yes, I will take my chances and avoid the vaccine for me AND my children. And yes, they are vaccinated for all children viruses. My biggest fear is the rush and the probability that the vaccine won't be terribly effective (like the flu vaccine which we skip anyway).
It’s just not older people. My hospital just intubated a 6 month old that has COVID and we had a full pediatric covid ICU. We have and had covid patients from 20s and up also and have had people in their 30s and up die. People with no known health conditions. Yes it’s a low rate but I don’t want you to think it’s just older people
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Naturalmama
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Re: Poll: To Reopen or Not
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by Christine2
In terms of vaccines, there is a 98% chance you will survive if you get the virus. Of the 2% (probably much less if we actually knew the true number of infections), the vast majority are older. In fact, they are OLDER than the median age of death in the country. So, yes, I will take my chances and avoid the vaccine for me AND my children. And yes, they are vaccinated for all children viruses. My biggest fear is the rush and the probability that the vaccine won't be terribly effective (like the flu vaccine which we skip anyway).
It’s just not older people. My hospital just intubated a 6 month old that has COVID and we had a full pediatric covid ICU. We have and had covid patients from 20s and up also and have had people in their 30s and up die. People with no known health conditions. Yes it’s a low rate but I don’t want you to think it’s just older people
Young & healthy people are definitely affected. But it is at a much lower rate than older people and those with pre existing health conditions. I am thinking that is what she meant. The head of the pediatric ICU at Cohen's has said he is already seeing less children being brought in with the inflammatory illness. Hopefully that also begins to drop the same as Covid has been doing since mid April.
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longislemom
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Re: Poll: To Reopen or Not
Posted by Diane
Posted by seaside
I am surprised at how many people are scared to be among the first to receive a vaccine that will have been deemed safe, but have no issue being among the first to try out our new open, socially distant society before businesses and politicians spot and work out what will invariably be the kinks and pitfalls there.
How do you know it is safe? How about the politicians receive it first and then we will see .
EXACTLY!
Me nor my children will never get that vaccine. and yes I am one of those moms that never allowed my kids to get all the vaccines pushed. we also have never got the flu vaccine, never will.
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NervousNell
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Re: Poll: To Reopen or Not
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by Christine2
In terms of vaccines, there is a 98% chance you will survive if you get the virus. Of the 2% (probably much less if we actually knew the true number of infections), the vast majority are older. In fact, they are OLDER than the median age of death in the country. So, yes, I will take my chances and avoid the vaccine for me AND my children. And yes, they are vaccinated for all children viruses. My biggest fear is the rush and the probability that the vaccine won't be terribly effective (like the flu vaccine which we skip anyway).
It’s just not older people. My hospital just intubated a 6 month old that has COVID and we had a full pediatric covid ICU. We have and had covid patients from 20s and up also and have had people in their 30s and up die. People with no known health conditions. Yes it’s a low rate but I don’t want you to think it’s just older people
Young & healthy people are definitely affected. But it is at a much lower rate than older people and those with pre existing health conditions. I am thinking that is what she meant. The head of the pediatric ICU at Cohen's has said he is already seeing less children being brought in with the inflammatory illness. Hopefully that also begins to drop the same as Covid has been doing since mid April.
Exactly. Anyone can be affected by anything. A 20 year old can have a heart attack but it's not common.
You have to look at the percentages by age group when it comes to stuff like this or you'll be living in fear forever and that sounds like a terrible way to live to be honest
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BargainMama
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Re: Poll: To Reopen or Not
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by Christine2
In terms of vaccines, there is a 98% chance you will survive if you get the virus. Of the 2% (probably much less if we actually knew the true number of infections), the vast majority are older. In fact, they are OLDER than the median age of death in the country. So, yes, I will take my chances and avoid the vaccine for me AND my children. And yes, they are vaccinated for all children viruses. My biggest fear is the rush and the probability that the vaccine won't be terribly effective (like the flu vaccine which we skip anyway).
It’s just not older people. My hospital just intubated a 6 month old that has COVID and we had a full pediatric covid ICU. We have and had covid patients from 20s and up also and have had people in their 30s and up die. People with no known health conditions. Yes it’s a low rate but I don’t want you to think it’s just older people
Young & healthy people are definitely affected. But it is at a much lower rate than older people and those with pre existing health conditions. I am thinking that is what she meant. The head of the pediatric ICU at Cohen's has said he is already seeing less children being brought in with the inflammatory illness. Hopefully that also begins to drop the same as Covid has been doing since mid April.
Exactly. Anyone can be affected by anything. A 20 year old can have a heart attack but it's not common.
You have to look at the percentages by age group when it comes to stuff like this or you'll be living in fear forever and that sounds like a terrible way to live to be honest
Yep. I know a little girl who almost died from the flu last year. I've known people who've had heart attacks from strep throat. It just happens. It's unfortunate but that's the way it is. How to take care of an abortion
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MrsA1012
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Poll: To Reopen or Not
Yes ! everything should be re opened with precautions in place to make people feel more comfortable. It's beyond insane that things have been closed this long. It was originally 2 weeks to flatten the curve, whats going on ????
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