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MandJZ
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by evnme
I already reported the post for harassment.
It was obviously meant to incite drama
Why is this harassment?
A question was asked.
The language of the OP clearly implies a certain bias and is meant to get a rise. It's language that Jews are, unfortunately, used to dealing with on the topic of Israel. It carries a very distinct connotation.
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Jugglemom
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by evnme
Posted by Paramount
Posted by evnme
I already reported the post for harassment.
It was obviously meant to incite drama
I would say we could discuss this as adults....until those decide they cant..
The admin of LIF are monitoring this thread closely. As long as things stay civil, it will remain online. If things get ugly, it will be removed.
I'm sorry but controversial topics are posted all the time and aren't reported for harassment. Because some people may disagree with majority opinion on here does not mean they have no right to post about those topics. That feels a lot like censorship to me. As long as there is no name calling I don't see the issue.
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| Posted 7/21/14 4:49 PM |
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EricaAlt
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by Paramount
Posted by Jenny614
I know there are a lot of Israel supporters here...and just wondering with all the massacring if innocent civilians in Gaza right now...has your opinion changed?
More so now.
I want to clear up what is going on in Israel and Gaza so we understand clearly.
Before people start jumping on this with "well, it wouldn't have to happen if Israel hadn't ..." please remember that
1. Hamas deliberately targets Israeli civilians;
2. Hamas locates its arms and militants within the civilian populations, using civilians as body armor;,
3. I have yet to see any Hamas initiative to take care of Israelis that they have wounded with their non-stop barrage of rockets deliberately aimed at civilians.
4. Hamas DELIBERATLY and SPECIFICALLY targets the civilian population to kill as many Jews as they POSSABLY can.
5....so much so the Israelis had to come up with protection. They call It "the Iron Dome". This is an anti missile defense that can intercept the rockets aimed at Israel.
6. When Israel strikes they call homes, the drop leaflets, they make sure the populace knows to get out because they don't want to kill civilians.
7. Hamas is MUCH more interested in killing the Jews then they are of taking care of their own peoples.
And lets talk about what brought about this latest round:
~The Palestinians kidnap 3 Israeli teenagers and kill them.
~Some Israelis decided to take the law into their own hands and kill a Palestinian boy. I will call this the most disgusting and brutal even of the whole "current" incident. It sicken me and I hope the people who Were CAUGHT GET THE FULL treatment under law that will be allowed.
~Hamas starts to send rockets into Israel. Hamas targets anyone and anything they can, specifically civilians.
~Israel reacts. They attack specific sites in Gaza. Warning the populace BEFORE they strike. Hamas tell s the people "no, don't go."
~The UN brokers a 6 hour ceasefire for humanitarian reasons. Israel says "great" all we want is for Hamas to stop firing rockets into Israel.
~Hamas starts shelling 2 hours into the Cease Fire.
~Israel attacks to defend itself.
~The Red cross asks for a 2 hour cease fire for humanitarian aid to Gaza.
~Israel says yes. Guess who Didn't stop?
AND. Israel is on the ground tending to Gaza casualties.
All this killing is terrible. However Israel has a right to defend itself against a terrorist organization that is attacking the population. I do not blame Israel and support them even more.
Well said. I will always support Israel.
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MandJZ
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by evnme
Posted by Paramount
Posted by evnme
I already reported the post for harassment.
It was obviously meant to incite drama
I would say we could discuss this as adults....until those decide they cant..
The admin of LIF are monitoring this thread closely. As long as things stay civil, it will remain online. If things get ugly, it will be removed.
I'm sorry but controversial topics are posted all the time and aren't reported for harassment. Because some people may disagree with majority opinion on here does not mean they have no right to post about those topics. That feels a lot like censorship to me. As long as there is no name calling I don't see the issue.
Unfortunately when this topic is discussed on internet forums it more often than not leads to anti-semitic language, which is hate speech. Monitoring a controversial topic is not censoring it.
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| Posted 7/21/14 4:52 PM |
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evnme
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by evnme
I already reported the post for harassment.
It was obviously meant to incite drama
Why is this harassment?
A question was asked.
The language of the OP clearly implies a certain bias and is meant to get a rise. It's language that Jews are, unfortunately, used to dealing with on the topic of Israel. It carries a very distinct connotation.
This
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| Posted 7/21/14 4:52 PM |
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Jenny614
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by evnme
I already reported the post for harassment.
It was obviously meant to incite drama
Why? This is the biggest issue happening in the world right now. I have my opinion and so does everyone else. I'm not here to attack anyone. If you are not mature enough to discuss this issue then stick to the celebrities and entertainment board.
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| Posted 7/21/14 4:56 PM |
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Jugglemom
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by evnme
Posted by Paramount
Posted by evnme
I already reported the post for harassment.
It was obviously meant to incite drama
I would say we could discuss this as adults....until those decide they cant..
The admin of LIF are monitoring this thread closely. As long as things stay civil, it will remain online. If things get ugly, it will be removed.
I'm sorry but controversial topics are posted all the time and aren't reported for harassment. Because some people may disagree with majority opinion on here does not mean they have no right to post about those topics. That feels a lot like censorship to me. As long as there is no name calling I don't see the issue.
Unfortunately when this topic is discussed on internet forums it more often than not leads to anti-semitic language, which is hate speech. Monitoring a controversial topic is not censoring it.
But initially you did not say you were asking for it to be monitored you said you reported it for harassment. That seemed a little premature to me considering nothing offensive was said. People are allowed to have differing opinions and to express those opinions even if they are politically charged. I agree that to the extent any anti- Semitic language is used that would be harassment. But that has not been the case. People can disagree about the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict without being anti Semitic.
Message edited 7/21/2014 4:58:32 PM.
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| Posted 7/21/14 4:56 PM |
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evnme
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by evnme
Posted by Paramount
Posted by evnme
I already reported the post for harassment.
It was obviously meant to incite drama
I would say we could discuss this as adults....until those decide they cant..
The admin of LIF are monitoring this thread closely. As long as things stay civil, it will remain online. If things get ugly, it will be removed.
I'm sorry but controversial topics are posted all the time and aren't reported for harassment. Because some people may disagree with majority opinion on here does not mean they have no right to post about those topics. That feels a lot like censorship to me. As long as there is no name calling I don't see the issue.
Unfortunately when this topic is discussed on internet forums it more often than not leads to anti-semitic language, which is hate speech. Monitoring a controversial topic is not censoring it.
Exactly this
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| Posted 7/21/14 4:57 PM |
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MandJZ
Time for Baby #2!
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by evnme
Posted by Paramount
Posted by evnme
I already reported the post for harassment.
It was obviously meant to incite drama
I would say we could discuss this as adults....until those decide they cant..
The admin of LIF are monitoring this thread closely. As long as things stay civil, it will remain online. If things get ugly, it will be removed.
I'm sorry but controversial topics are posted all the time and aren't reported for harassment. Because some people may disagree with majority opinion on here does not mean they have no right to post about those topics. That feels a lot like censorship to me. As long as there is no name calling I don't see the issue.
Unfortunately when this topic is discussed on internet forums it more often than not leads to anti-semitic language, which is hate speech. Monitoring a controversial topic is not censoring it.
But initially you did not say you were asking for it to be monitored you said you reported it for harassment. That seemed a little premature to me considering nothing offensive was said. People are allowed to have differing opinions and to express those opinions even if they are politically charged. I agree that to the extent any anti- Semitic language is used that would be harassment.
For the record, I didn't report it. I'm just answering as to why the poster who did probably thought to.
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kimmaymb20
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Re: Still support Israel?
[L=http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/the-most-important-video-about-israel-ever-made ]
Watch the video maybe everyone will understand the whole situation. I will always support Israel.
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| Posted 7/21/14 5:01 PM |
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evnme
My little lamb
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by evnme
Posted by Paramount
Posted by evnme
I already reported the post for harassment.
It was obviously meant to incite drama
I would say we could discuss this as adults....until those decide they cant..
The admin of LIF are monitoring this thread closely. As long as things stay civil, it will remain online. If things get ugly, it will be removed.
I'm sorry but controversial topics are posted all the time and aren't reported for harassment. Because some people may disagree with majority opinion on here does not mean they have no right to post about those topics. That feels a lot like censorship to me. As long as there is no name calling I don't see the issue.
Unfortunately when this topic is discussed on internet forums it more often than not leads to anti-semitic language, which is hate speech. Monitoring a controversial topic is not censoring it.
But initially you did not say you were asking for it to be monitored you said you reported it for harassment. That seemed a little premature to me considering nothing offensive was said. People are allowed to have differing opinions and to express those opinions even if they are politically charged. I agree that to the extent any anti- Semitic language is used that would be harassment.
The op was an entre to anti-Semitic & anti-Israel rhetoric and harassment. I fm'd w the admin and decided to let this stay on as long as things stay civil.
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| Posted 7/21/14 5:01 PM |
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Paramount
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Still support Israel?
We can discuss this civilly. What is going on etc.
I may not be a fan of how the OP worded the title, but I can educate through fact. Maybe show ONE person what is going on as opposed to what they THINK is going on.
Message edited 7/21/2014 5:04:34 PM.
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| Posted 7/21/14 5:04 PM |
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MandJZ
Time for Baby #2!
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Re: Still support Israel?
I'm all for discussing civilly. Even debating. But that doesn't start with asking if we support Israel "massacring innocent civilians." That language is inflammatory, and wholly inaccurate.
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| Posted 7/21/14 5:08 PM |
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SecretlyTTC14
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Re: Still support Israel?
I agree that the wording of the question in the OP does seem like it was posted to antagonize supporters of Israel.
That said, I hope it can be discussed and remain civil. As someone who doesn't know a lot about the situation and therefore doesn't have an opinion, I really like to read the opinions here to learn more about it.
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| Posted 7/21/14 5:09 PM |
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ohbaby08
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by evnme
I already reported the post for harassment.
It was obviously meant to incite drama
Why is this harassment?
A question was asked.
The language of the OP clearly implies a certain bias and is meant to get a rise. It's language that Jews are, unfortunately, used to dealing with on the topic of Israel. It carries a very distinct connotation.
I don't mean any disrespect at all, but I don't see any bias in the question.
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| Posted 7/21/14 5:12 PM |
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MandJZ
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by evnme
I already reported the post for harassment.
It was obviously meant to incite drama
Why is this harassment?
A question was asked.
The language of the OP clearly implies a certain bias and is meant to get a rise. It's language that Jews are, unfortunately, used to dealing with on the topic of Israel. It carries a very distinct connotation.
I don't mean any disrespect at all, but I don't see any bias in the question.
Since Israel is not, in fact, massacring innocent civilians, the use of that phrase carries with it a bias.
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| Posted 7/21/14 5:16 PM |
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ohbaby08
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MandJZ
I'm all for discussing civilly. Even debating. But that doesn't start with asking if we support Israel "massacring innocent civilians." That language is inflammatory, and wholly inaccurate.
So, no innocent people have been killed in Gaza? I have no opinion on this subject because I don't know enough about it to make one. But, innocent people have been killed on both sides, I know that much.
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| Posted 7/21/14 5:19 PM |
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jlwd
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Re: Still support Israel?
I was watching the news and they were reporting that Israel was actually warning people in Gaza that they were going to attack them and leaving leaflets on the ground for the people so that they were aware an attack was coming. This seems like a very humane way of doing things to me especially since isn't Hamas a terrorist group? Honestly terrorism should not be tolerated by any country, Israel or otherwise. For the record I'm Catholic so the religious or country affiliation is not something that is swaying my opinion either way.
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| Posted 7/21/14 5:20 PM |
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MandJZ
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by MandJZ
I'm all for discussing civilly. Even debating. But that doesn't start with asking if we support Israel "massacring innocent civilians." That language is inflammatory, and wholly inaccurate.
So, no innocent people have been killed in Gaza? I have no opinion on this subject because I don't know enough about it to make one. But, innocent people have been killed on both sides, I know that much.
There is a major, major difference between innocent people being killed during conflict and the intentional MASSACRE of innocent people. Hence the bias. It's a very different question if it's phrased as "with all the deaths of innocent civilians because of this conflict..."
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| Posted 7/21/14 5:20 PM |
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evnme
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Re: Still support Israel?
Israel drops leaflets, makes phone calls and sends text messages before it proceeds. The idf has several toms called off operations bc civilians were there. Hamas uses civilians as human shields. They hide bombs and weapons in homes, schools, mosques and hospitals. They have a series of hundreds of terror tunnels burrowed into Israel to murder and kidnap civilians and soldiers.
Hamas has broken 3 ceasefires in the past week.
When Israel left Gaza 7 years ago, they left them an infrastructure to build a paradise and the Hamas leaders destroyed greenhouses and everything else and live in the lap of luxury while their people live in poverty.
Israel has set up field hospitals to help the Palestinian wounded and allows them to be treated in Israeli hospitals.
If Hamas puts down their weapons there will be peace. If Israel puts down her weapons, there will be no Israel.
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ave1024
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by evnme
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by evnme
Posted by Paramount
Posted by evnme
I already reported the post for harassment.
It was obviously meant to incite drama
I would say we could discuss this as adults....until those decide they cant..
The admin of LIF are monitoring this thread closely. As long as things stay civil, it will remain online. If things get ugly, it will be removed.
I'm sorry but controversial topics are posted all the time and aren't reported for harassment. Because some people may disagree with majority opinion on here does not mean they have no right to post about those topics. That feels a lot like censorship to me. As long as there is no name calling I don't see the issue.
Unfortunately when this topic is discussed on internet forums it more often than not leads to anti-semitic language, which is hate speech. Monitoring a controversial topic is not censoring it.
But initially you did not say you were asking for it to be monitored you said you reported it for harassment. That seemed a little premature to me considering nothing offensive was said. People are allowed to have differing opinions and to express those opinions even if they are politically charged. I agree that to the extent any anti- Semitic language is used that would be harassment.
The op was an entre to anti-Semitic & anti-Israel rhetoric and harassment. I fm'd w the admin and decided to let this stay on as long as things stay civil.
I am curious, according to who. Your opinion?
I don't see anything wrong with the question and nothing here to get upset and crying to the site admins over. It's a discussion. Not really one that I have an opinion on either way, but there is nothing wrong with asking the question the way the OP did.
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| Posted 7/21/14 5:35 PM |
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MandJZ
Time for Baby #2!
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by ave1024
Posted by evnme
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by evnme
Posted by Paramount
Posted by evnme
I already reported the post for harassment.
It was obviously meant to incite drama
I would say we could discuss this as adults....until those decide they cant..
The admin of LIF are monitoring this thread closely. As long as things stay civil, it will remain online. If things get ugly, it will be removed.
I'm sorry but controversial topics are posted all the time and aren't reported for harassment. Because some people may disagree with majority opinion on here does not mean they have no right to post about those topics. That feels a lot like censorship to me. As long as there is no name calling I don't see the issue.
Unfortunately when this topic is discussed on internet forums it more often than not leads to anti-semitic language, which is hate speech. Monitoring a controversial topic is not censoring it.
But initially you did not say you were asking for it to be monitored you said you reported it for harassment. That seemed a little premature to me considering nothing offensive was said. People are allowed to have differing opinions and to express those opinions even if they are politically charged. I agree that to the extent any anti- Semitic language is used that would be harassment.
The op was an entre to anti-Semitic & anti-Israel rhetoric and harassment. I fm'd w the admin and decided to let this stay on as long as things stay civil.
I am curious, according to who. Your opinion?
I don't see anything wrong with the question and nothing here to get upset and crying to the site admins over. It's a discussion. Not really one that I have an opinion on either way, but there is nothing wrong with asking the question the way the OP did.
That's your opinion, and someone else (or others) felt differently. You are, despite what you may think, not the authority on what is and is not okay to ask and the language used. If someone felt harassed, they are very much well within their right to bring that to an admin.
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| Posted 7/21/14 5:37 PM |
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Paramount
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by evnme
If Hamas puts down their weapons there will be peace. If Israel puts down her weapons, there will be no Israel.
By far the best quote I have ever read about the entire history of the Israeli people.
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| Posted 7/21/14 5:58 PM |
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evnme
My little lamb
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by Paramount
Posted by evnme
If Hamas puts down their weapons there will be peace. If Israel puts down her weapons, there will be no Israel.
By far the best quote I have ever read about the entire history of the Israeli people.
It is a great quote from Netanyahu.
Another great quote is from Golda Meir: peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us.
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by Paramount
Posted by evnme
If Hamas puts down their weapons there will be peace. If Israel puts down her weapons, there will be no Israel.
By far the best quote I have ever read about the entire history of the Israeli people.
Agreed
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