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LSP2005
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MrsYank
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Posted by MrsYank
I am very sorry to those of you who lost family in the holocaust.
I respectfully disagree that with the statement that it was never their land. The Palestinians had every right to live there and still do. I am not saying that Israelis should be forced to leave their own country either but its quite obvious that something has to change?
Whatever your view is, I think we can all agree that we don't want to put the news on and hear about ANY one else dying.
I don't want anyone to die either. I wish Hamas would agree to, and stick with a cease fire. Out of curiosity, do you believe that every descendant should be able to live in Israel, or should only displaced people be given a right of return. Do you believe that reparations should be paid to the descendants of slaves? What about better treatment of American Indians? How about the Roma- should they be able to claim property rights in Europe? The world is not a fair place. I am not sure how to right past wrongs.
I think a good start would be to a fair 2 state solution. There has to be a compromise.
It's quite obvious that they will never, ever, destroy Israel.
The problem is that Hamas' stated goal is exactly that, to "destroy Israel." Until Hamas recognizes Israel has a right to exist and accepts a cease fire, I wish that a simple two state solution could occur.
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MommyTeffi
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Re: Still support Israel?
Please watch this video to better understand the way Hamas operates and trains their young to hate Jews. The video is from 2009 but the point remains the same.
Children of Hamas
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| Posted 7/21/14 8:43 PM |
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evnme
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Re: Still support Israel?
Excellent article read this!
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Thank you for the links. I'm reading everything!!!
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| Posted 7/21/14 8:49 PM |
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Jenny614
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by evnme
Posted by MrsYank
I am very sorry to those of you who lost family in the holocaust.
I respectfully disagree that with the statement that it was never their land. The Palestinians had every right to live there and still do. I am not saying that Israelis should be forced to leave their own country either but its quite obvious that something has to change?
Whatever your view is, I think we can all agree that we don't want to put the news on and hear about ANY one else dying.
If the Palestinians would have agreed that Israel has the right to exist, then this problem would have been solved a long time ago and the 2 state solution would have been implemented already.
If Israel would stop demolishing Palestinian homes and creating illegal settlements on land that was not given to them, then maybe things can start to improve as well.
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| Posted 7/21/14 8:53 PM |
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by Jenny614
Posted by evnme
Posted by MrsYank
I am very sorry to those of you who lost family in the holocaust.
I respectfully disagree that with the statement that it was never their land. The Palestinians had every right to live there and still do. I am not saying that Israelis should be forced to leave their own country either but its quite obvious that something has to change?
Whatever your view is, I think we can all agree that we don't want to put the news on and hear about ANY one else dying.
If the Palestinians would have agreed that Israel has the right to exist, then this problem would have been solved a long time ago and the 2 state solution would have been implemented already.
If Israel would stop demolishing Palestinian homes and creating illegal settlements on land that was not given to them, then maybe things can start to improve as well.
But, you have no bias at all. And you were totally neutral starting this thread. Where are your kids? 
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| Posted 7/21/14 8:55 PM |
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ANewDayHasCome
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by Jenny614
If Israel would stop demolishing Palestinian homes and creating illegal settlements on land that was not given to them, then maybe things can start to improve as well.
I'm curious, what background are you?
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| Posted 7/21/14 8:58 PM |
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evnme
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Re: Still support Israel?
If you really want to read more articles about the situation, follow haaretz, Jerusalem post, times of Israel, jta, ynet on Facebook and twitter.
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:02 PM |
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alli3131
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by evnme
If you really want to read more articles about the situation, follow haaretz, Jerusalem post, times of Israel, jta, ynet on Facebook and twitter.
These are all pro Jewish. I'm not against reading them but I'd like some views in the other side. I want to read both sides. I truly believe as someone who is neutral I need to read views from both sides.
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:06 PM |
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olive98
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by Jenny614
Posted by evnme
Posted by MrsYank
I am very sorry to those of you who lost family in the holocaust.
I respectfully disagree that with the statement that it was never their land. The Palestinians had every right to live there and still do. I am not saying that Israelis should be forced to leave their own country either but its quite obvious that something has to change?
Whatever your view is, I think we can all agree that we don't want to put the news on and hear about ANY one else dying.
If the Palestinians would have agreed that Israel has the right to exist, then this problem would have been solved a long time ago and the 2 state solution would have been implemented already.
If Israel would stop demolishing Palestinian homes and creating illegal settlements on land that was not given to them, then maybe things can start to improve as well.
What was the purpose of you starting this thread. If feel like you are looking for drama.
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:10 PM |
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Still support Israel?
Based on the ops most recent statement, I don't know that they want that...I've been holding back..the situation in Israel upsets me greatly...I just don't remember many sympathizers for terrorists when they hit close to home...I do feel bad for all truly innocent people who have died but also feel bad for the obvious brainwashing that might have keep them there
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:12 PM |
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evnme
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by alli3131
Posted by evnme
If you really want to read more articles about the situation, follow haaretz, Jerusalem post, times of Israel, jta, ynet on Facebook and twitter.
These are all pro Jewish. I'm not against reading them but I'd like some views in the other side. I want to read both sides. I truly believe as someone who is neutral I need to read views from both sides.
I could post links to videos of Hamas indoctrinating children to hate Jews from the time they are infants. I could post links to videos of Palestinian children's tv programs teaching to hate and kill Jews.
But I won't. They are easy to find online yourself.
Message edited 7/21/2014 9:16:53 PM.
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:15 PM |
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MandJZ
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Re: Still support Israel?
Ok. Honestly. I don't understand.
One side has PUBLICLY said that their ONLY goal is to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel. The other side has agreed to numerous peace accords and agreements and only wants to protect its citizens.
One side hides rockets IN A SCHOOL, the other side warns the civilians of their enemy about impending military strikes with the goal of minimizing casualties.
Hamas is a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION. I don't understand.
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:20 PM |
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MandJZ
Ok. Honestly. I don't understand.
One side has PUBLICLY said that their ONLY goal is to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel. The other side has agreed to numerous peace accords and agreements and only wants to protect its citizens.
One side hides rockets IN A SCHOOL, the other side warns the civilians of their enemy about impending military strikes with the goal of minimizing casualties.
Hamas is a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION. I don't understand.
I agree and am confused by people defending Hamas..not civilians but Hamas
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:22 PM |
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MandJZ
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Re: Still support Israel?
MrsYank. Please tell me how you defend a group that has stated in its charter that its only mission and goal is to drive all the Jews into the sea and destroy Israel. That it will NOT accept any other option.
How is Israel at fault, when that is what it is dealing with? Look up the history of peace agreements, and you will see. Every single one has been violated, or turned down, by Palestinian leadership. They do not WANT a fair, equal solution. They want to kill the Jews. The end.
And you defend them.
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:24 PM |
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by alli3131
Posted by evnme
If you really want to read more articles about the situation, follow haaretz, Jerusalem post, times of Israel, jta, ynet on Facebook and twitter.
These are all pro Jewish. I'm not against reading them but I'd like some views in the other side. I want to read both sides. I truly believe as someone who is neutral I need to read views from both sides.
FYI being Jewish and being a Zionist are not necessarily the same thing. I know many Jews who are not zionists, and people who are not Jewish who are.
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:27 PM |
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alli3131
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by evnme
Posted by alli3131
Posted by evnme
If you really want to read more articles about the situation, follow haaretz, Jerusalem post, times of Israel, jta, ynet on Facebook and twitter.
These are all pro Jewish. I'm not against reading them but I'd like some views in the other side. I want to read both sides. I truly believe as someone who is neutral I need to read views from both sides.
I could post links to videos of Hamas indoctrinating children to hate Jews from the time they are infants. I could post links to videos of Palestinian children's tv programs teaching to hate and kill Jews.
But I won't. They are easy to find online yourself.
I'm not looking for Hamas views I wanted to read the everyday Palestinian view. I find it hard to believe that every is flew one of them want Jews dead.
I believe Hamas is a terrorist org but I was looking for Palestinian views as they do not all belong to Hamas.
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:28 PM |
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olive98
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Re: Still support Israel?
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Posted by MandJZ
Ok. Honestly. I don't understand.
One side has PUBLICLY said that their ONLY goal is to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel. The other side has agreed to numerous peace accords and agreements and only wants to protect its citizens.
One side hides rockets IN A SCHOOL, the other side warns the civilians of their enemy about impending military strikes with the goal of minimizing casualties.
Hamas is a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION. I don't understand.
I agree and am confused by people defending Hamas..not civilians but Hamas
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:29 PM |
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MandJZ
MrsYank. Please tell me how you defend a group that has stated in its charter that its only mission and goal is to drive all the Jews into the sea and destroy Israel. That it will NOT accept any other option.
How is Israel at fault, when that is what it is dealing with? Look up the history of peace agreements, and you will see. Every single one has been violated, or turned down, by Palestinian leadership. They do not WANT a fair, equal solution. They want to kill the Jews. The end.
And you defend them.
I have to say that I am overwhelmed at the anti semitism coming to light once again. It's terrifying.
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:29 PM |
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MandJZ
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by alli3131
Posted by evnme
Posted by alli3131
Posted by evnme
If you really want to read more articles about the situation, follow haaretz, Jerusalem post, times of Israel, jta, ynet on Facebook and twitter.
These are all pro Jewish. I'm not against reading them but I'd like some views in the other side. I want to read both sides. I truly believe as someone who is neutral I need to read views from both sides.
I could post links to videos of Hamas indoctrinating children to hate Jews from the time they are infants. I could post links to videos of Palestinian children's tv programs teaching to hate and kill Jews.
But I won't. They are easy to find online yourself.
I'm not looking for Hamas views I wanted to read the everyday Palestinian view. I find it hard to believe that every is flew one of them want Jews dead.
I believe Hamas is a terrorist org but I was looking for Palestinian views as they do not all belong to Hamas.
The point she was making was that Palestinian citizens are taught from a very young age to hate Jews. Hamas is their leadership. They elected a terrorist group into government. They control the schools, the media, etc. So the views of the general Palestinian public ARE very much in line with Hamas.
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:30 PM |
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Jenny614
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by evnme
Posted by alli3131
Posted by evnme
If you really want to read more articles about the situation, follow haaretz, Jerusalem post, times of Israel, jta, ynet on Facebook and twitter.
These are all pro Jewish. I'm not against reading them but I'd like some views in the other side. I want to read both sides. I truly believe as someone who is neutral I need to read views from both sides.
I could post links to videos of Hamas indoctrinating children to hate Jews from the time they are infants. I could post links to videos of Palestinian children's tv programs teaching to hate and kill Jews.
But I won't. They are easy to find online yourself.
What about posting links of Israelis sitting out in lawn chairs and eating popcorn while watching the lights of bombs hitting Gaza?
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:32 PM |
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MDF
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Re: Still support Israel?
Is Hamas a terrorist group in Palestine? Or are they the government that runs the Palestine people? I've always thought of them as a terrorist group. Eta. Someone answered that while I was writing my question.
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:32 PM |
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MandJZ
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by Jenny614
Posted by evnme
Posted by alli3131
Posted by evnme
If you really want to read more articles about the situation, follow haaretz, Jerusalem post, times of Israel, jta, ynet on Facebook and twitter.
These are all pro Jewish. I'm not against reading them but I'd like some views in the other side. I want to read both sides. I truly believe as someone who is neutral I need to read views from both sides.
I could post links to videos of Hamas indoctrinating children to hate Jews from the time they are infants. I could post links to videos of Palestinian children's tv programs teaching to hate and kill Jews.
But I won't. They are easy to find online yourself.
What about posting links of Israelis sitting out in lawn chairs and eating popcorn while watching the lights of bombs hitting Gaza?
You mean, when they aren't hiding in shelters to avoid rockets they actually carry on with their summer?
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:34 PM |
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olive98
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Posted by MandJZ
MrsYank. Please tell me how you defend a group that has stated in its charter that its only mission and goal is to drive all the Jews into the sea and destroy Israel. That it will NOT accept any other option.
How is Israel at fault, when that is what it is dealing with? Look up the history of peace agreements, and you will see. Every single one has been violated, or turned down, by Palestinian leadership. They do not WANT a fair, equal solution. They want to kill the Jews. The end.
And you defend them.
I have to say that I am overwhelmed at the anti semitism coming to light once again. It's terrifying.
I agree. I had a comment but edited my post because I'm not reading this thread anymore. It's obvious that the OP is trying to start trouble.
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| Posted 7/21/14 9:35 PM |
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Jenny614
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by alli3131
Posted by evnme
Posted by alli3131
Posted by evnme
If you really want to read more articles about the situation, follow haaretz, Jerusalem post, times of Israel, jta, ynet on Facebook and twitter.
These are all pro Jewish. I'm not against reading them but I'd like some views in the other side. I want to read both sides. I truly believe as someone who is neutral I need to read views from both sides.
I could post links to videos of Hamas indoctrinating children to hate Jews from the time they are infants. I could post links to videos of Palestinian children's tv programs teaching to hate and kill Jews.
But I won't. They are easy to find online yourself.
I'm not looking for Hamas views I wanted to read the everyday Palestinian view. I find it hard to believe that every is flew one of them want Jews dead.
I believe Hamas is a terrorist org but I was looking for Palestinian views as they do not all belong to Hamas.
The point she was making was that Palestinian citizens are taught from a very young age to hate Jews. Hamas is their leadership. They elected a terrorist group into government. They control the schools, the media, etc. So the views of the general Palestinian public ARE very much in line with Hamas.
This is untrue...absolutely untrue. Please stop fueling the hate. You are one of the reasons that this issue continues. Palestinians civilians and Israeli civilians generally get along and there are many organizations there on both sides that promote unity between Arabs and Jews.
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