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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by Paramount
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If Hamas puts down their weapons there will be peace. If Israel puts down her weapons, there will be no Israel.
By far the best quote I have ever read about the entire history of the Israeli people.
This, absolutely. I am going to remember this and quote it in the future.
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Re: Still support Israel?
With all due respect, their land was basically taken from them. Please correct if I am wrong?
A very, very, small piece of land was "given" back to them.
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| Posted 7/21/14 7:24 PM |
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MrsYank
With all due respect, their land was basically taken from them. Please correct if I am wrong?
A very, very, small piece of land was "given" back to them.
Jews and Palestinians lived there under British rule. When the British left, there was a war. Territory was acquired during war. A two state solution has been proposed and agreed to by Israel, but Hamas will not agree to any peace agreement that allows the Jews to have anything at all.
And with all due respect, THIS land was taken from the Natives - was it not?
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| Posted 7/21/14 7:27 PM |
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evnme
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Re: Still support Israel?
The land of Israel has always belonged to the jewish people. In more recent history, the ottomans took it over and then it became a British mandate. There have always been Jews living there for thousands of years.
The modern state of Israel was born after the holocaust. And it was a homecoming to the land.
Arab countries attacked and Israel defended herself and won. Israel took back her land more of her historical land. She gave back the Sinai peninsula to Egypt. She pulled out of Gaza 7 years ago and Hamas destroyed the amazing infrastructure Israel gave them. They could have had a seaside paradise but instead the leadership was greedy and left their people in poverty and use them as pawns and human shields.
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| Posted 7/21/14 7:31 PM |
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by Paramount
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I know there are a lot of Israel supporters here...and just wondering with all the massacring if innocent civilians in Gaza right now...has your opinion changed?
More so now.
I want to clear up what is going on in Israel and Gaza so we understand clearly.
Before people start jumping on this with "well, it wouldn't have to happen if Israel hadn't ..." please remember that
1. Hamas deliberately targets Israeli civilians;
2. Hamas locates its arms and militants within the civilian populations, using civilians as body armor;,
3. I have yet to see any Hamas initiative to take care of Israelis that they have wounded with their non-stop barrage of rockets deliberately aimed at civilians.
4. Hamas DELIBERATLY and SPECIFICALLY targets the civilian population to kill as many Jews as they POSSABLY can.
5....so much so the Israelis had to come up with protection. They call It "the Iron Dome". This is an anti missile defense that can intercept the rockets aimed at Israel.
6. When Israel strikes they call homes, the drop leaflets, they make sure the populace knows to get out because they don't want to kill civilians.
7. Hamas is MUCH more interested in killing the Jews then they are of taking care of their own peoples.
And lets talk about what brought about this latest round:
~The Palestinians kidnap 3 Israeli teenagers and kill them.
~Some Israelis decided to take the law into their own hands and kill a Palestinian boy. I will call this the most disgusting and brutal even of the whole "current" incident. It sicken me and I hope the people who Were CAUGHT GET THE FULL treatment under law that will be allowed.
~Hamas starts to send rockets into Israel. Hamas targets anyone and anything they can, specifically civilians.
~Israel reacts. They attack specific sites in Gaza. Warning the populace BEFORE they strike. Hamas tell s the people "no, don't go."
~The UN brokers a 6 hour ceasefire for humanitarian reasons. Israel says "great" all we want is for Hamas to stop firing rockets into Israel.
~Hamas starts shelling 2 hours into the Cease Fire.
~Israel attacks to defend itself.
~The Red cross asks for a 2 hour cease fire for humanitarian aid to Gaza.
~Israel says yes. Guess who Didn't stop?
AND. Israel is on the ground tending to Gaza casualties.
All this killing is terrible. However Israel has a right to defend itself against a terrorist organization that is attacking the population. I do not blame Israel and support them even more.
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by sameinitials
Posted by Paramount
Posted by evnme
If Hamas puts down their weapons there will be peace. If Israel puts down her weapons, there will be no Israel.
By far the best quote I have ever read about the entire history of the Israeli people.
This, absolutely. I am going to remember this and quote it in the future.
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by MrsYank
With all due respect, their land was basically taken from them. Please correct if I am wrong?
A very, very, small piece of land was "given" back to them.
Jews and Palestinians lived there under British rule. When the British left, there was a war. Territory was acquired during war. A two state solution has been proposed and agreed to by Israel, but Hamas will not agree to any peace agreement that allows the Jews to have anything at all.
And with all due respect, THIS land was taken from the Natives - was it not?
Some Arabs live inside of Israel. They have many more rights and abilities than Arabs who live in other Muslim/Arab nations. The other Arab nations could have assimilated people, but chose not to. Egypt, which shares a border with Gaza refuses to open the border to allow a free flow of Palestinian people into Egypt. Why is that?
The other Arab nations have much to gain by keeping the status quo and fomenting violence. They are seen as having a better public relations campaign at the expense of their people. That to me is horrible and sad.
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MandJZ
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Re: Still support Israel?
I can not repeat enough times this extremely important point. Israel has agreed to peace accords that allow for a two state solution. Hamas will not agree to any accord that allows Israel to exist at all.
There was never a land of Palestine that belonged to the Palestinian people. They lived under te rule of other countries until Israel was declared a state.
Message edited 7/21/2014 7:36:47 PM.
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MandJZ
I can not repeat enough times this extremely important point. Israel has agreed to peace accords that allow for a two state solution. Hamas will not agree to any accord that allows Israel to exist at all.
There was never a land of Palestine that belonged to the Palestinian people. They lived under te rule of other countries until Israel was declared a state.
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| Posted 7/21/14 7:37 PM |
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by MrsYank
With all due respect, their land was basically taken from them. Please correct if I am wrong?
A very, very, small piece of land was "given" back to them.
Jews and Palestinians lived there under British rule. When the British left, there was a war. Territory was acquired during war. A two state solution has been proposed and agreed to by Israel, but Hamas will not agree to any peace agreement that allows the Jews to have anything at all.
And with all due respect, THIS land was taken from the Natives - was it not?
Yes it was, and I don't think it was right. The 2 State solution was far from equal.
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MandJZ
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MrsYank
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by MrsYank
With all due respect, their land was basically taken from them. Please correct if I am wrong?
A very, very, small piece of land was "given" back to them.
Jews and Palestinians lived there under British rule. When the British left, there was a war. Territory was acquired during war. A two state solution has been proposed and agreed to by Israel, but Hamas will not agree to any peace agreement that allows the Jews to have anything at all.
And with all due respect, THIS land was taken from the Natives - was it not?
Yes it was, and I don't think it was right. The 2 State solution was far from equal.
So what should happen? What is he solution? And why should it be equal? This was never their land!
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by MrsYank
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by MrsYank
With all due respect, their land was basically taken from them. Please correct if I am wrong?
A very, very, small piece of land was "given" back to them.
Jews and Palestinians lived there under British rule. When the British left, there was a war. Territory was acquired during war. A two state solution has been proposed and agreed to by Israel, but Hamas will not agree to any peace agreement that allows the Jews to have anything at all.
And with all due respect, THIS land was taken from the Natives - was it not?
Yes it was, and I don't think it was right. The 2 State solution was far from equal.
So what should happen? What is he solution? And why should it be equal? This was never their land!
The thing is that nothing is 100% perfect. The Palestinians never had a country before 1948. It was British land, that they divided.
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Re: Still support Israel?
Ok, so where were the people of Palestine supposed to go? Why don't they have equal rights within Israel?
ETA: Please read my posts in a neutral tone  I realize that this is a sensitive topic. I am genuinely interested in hearing your opinions
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MrsYank
Ok, so where were the people of Palestine supposed to go? Why don't they have equal rights within Israel? [/QUOTE/]
Because it wasn't their land.
And where should Israelis go?
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Re: Still support Israel?
There are plenty of Israeli Arabs living in Israel that have the most of the same rights as jewish Israelis. There are Israeli Arab members of Knesset (parliament). Palestinians chose not to become part of Israeli society.
They turned themselves into self-perpetuating "refugees." There was never a Palestine- it was a British mandate of Jews and Arabs and Christians living in the land before 1948.
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I'm Catholic. I have no family in the region. I'm not directly affected by the situation. There is no "shades of gray" in my eyes! I'm 100% pro Israel! They are America's only ally in a region that is riddled with terrorist regimes. I don't think Hamas is a very pro-American group.
I pray for the safety of innocent civilians in Israel and Palestine and hope this can be resolved quickly. My heart breaks for all the casualties of war in Gaza, but I do not blame Israel for this sad situation!
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MrsYank
Ok, so where were the people of Palestine supposed to go? Why don't they have equal rights within Israel?
ETA: Please read my posts in a neutral tone I realize that this is a sensitive topic. I am genuinely interested in hearing your opinions
The media is very biased and so much of the world doesn't know the truth or doesn't care abt the truth.
So much doesn't get reported and what does get coverage is very slanted.
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by Jenny614
I'm sorry I even started this topic...I didn't find what I was looking for
Why exactly did you even start this topic and what was it you were even looking for?
Did you honestly not expect a heated reaction over a heated topic? You started the thread and now you don't want any part of it?!
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| Posted 7/21/14 7:51 PM |
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LSP2005
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MrsYank
Ok, so where were the people of Palestine supposed to go? Why don't they have equal rights within Israel?
ETA: Please read my posts in a neutral tone I realize that this is a sensitive topic. I am genuinely interested in hearing your opinions
The reason is simply mathematical. There are far more Muslims/Arabs that want to come into Israel. If every Palestinian wanted to be able to live in Israel, there would no longer be an Israel as the Jews would become a minority in their own land. Then the Jews would realistically be expelled or murdered. This is the reason that Israel cannot ever agree to a "right of return for descendants."
I don't demand a right of return to Germany or Poland despite the fact that the Nazi's stole 400 hectares (988 acres) of land from my great-great grandfather. I don't receive compensation for that land. No one in my family ever received a penny for it. There are other people who live on that land now. They and their family lived on it since my family was driven out of their homes by the Nazis.
eta: to be crystal cler, my great-great grandfather was murdered in cold blood by a member of the Nazi party in front of his children and grandchildren. My relatives were then sent to concentration camps. In 1994, my grandma, mother, and I went back to my grandma's home town and saw the man that murdered my great-great grandfather living in our "old family home."
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by Jenny614
I'm trying to participate but I am sick to my stomach from many of these responses. For those of you who would like to know more about the history of the conflict and what is currently happening right now, please do your own research. It is a complicated issue. Don't ask Anyone here. Most of their information is from biased sources. There is a lot of prejudice on these boards. please know that not all arabs are terrorists and not all jews are zionists.
I would rather spend my time with my children and thanking God that my parents had the luck to come to America and I don't have to go to sleep tonight with the fear that my children will be bombed to pieces while playing ball outside.
I'm sorry I even started this topic...I didn't find what I was looking for
How could you not have found what you were looking for? Tons of information was shared in here that was very helpful and factual.
What WERE you looking for???
I'm curious why you started this post instead of spending time with your children?
Would it have been less a waste of time if everyone started saying "hell yeah! Screw Israel??"
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MrsYank
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Re: Still support Israel?
I am very sorry to those of you who lost family in the holocaust.
I respectfully disagree that with the statement that it was never their land. The Palestinians had every right to live there and still do. I am not saying that Israelis should be forced to leave their own country either but its quite obvious that something has to change?
Whatever your view is, I think we can all agree that we don't want to put the news on and hear about ANY one else dying.
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MrsYank
I am very sorry to those of you who lost family in the holocaust.
I respectfully disagree that with the statement that it was never their land. The Palestinians had every right to live there and still do. I am not saying that Israelis should be forced to leave their own country either but its quite obvious that something has to change?
Whatever your view is, I think we can all agree that we don't want to put the news on and hear about ANY one else dying.
If the Palestinians would have agreed that Israel has the right to exist, then this problem would have been solved a long time ago and the 2 state solution would have been implemented already.
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Re: Still support Israel?
Posted by MrsYank
I am very sorry to those of you who lost family in the holocaust.
I respectfully disagree that with the statement that it was never their land. The Palestinians had every right to live there and still do. I am not saying that Israelis should be forced to leave their own country either but its quite obvious that something has to change?
Whatever your view is, I think we can all agree that we don't want to put the news on and hear about ANY one else dying.
I don't want anyone to die either. I wish Hamas would agree to, and stick with a cease fire. Out of curiosity, do you believe that every descendant should be able to live in Israel, or should only displaced people be given a right of return. Do you believe that reparations should be paid to the descendants of slaves? What about better treatment of American Indians? How about the Roma- should they be able to claim property rights in Europe? The world is not a fair place. I am not sure how to right past wrongs.
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Re: Still support Israel?
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Posted by MrsYank
I am very sorry to those of you who lost family in the holocaust.
I respectfully disagree that with the statement that it was never their land. The Palestinians had every right to live there and still do. I am not saying that Israelis should be forced to leave their own country either but its quite obvious that something has to change?
Whatever your view is, I think we can all agree that we don't want to put the news on and hear about ANY one else dying.
I don't want anyone to die either. I wish Hamas would agree to, and stick with a cease fire. Out of curiosity, do you believe that every descendant should be able to live in Israel, or should only displaced people be given a right of return. Do you believe that reparations should be paid to the descendants of slaves? What about better treatment of American Indians? How about the Roma- should they be able to claim property rights in Europe? The world is not a fair place. I am not sure how to right past wrongs.
I think a good start would be to a fair 2 state solution. There has to be a compromise.
It's quite obvious that they will never, ever, destroy Israel.
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