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butterfly20
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Re: Shotgun with children?
i wouldnt want it... I wouldnt be opposed to say - a metal bat under the bed...
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Posted 5/13/09 12:39 PM |
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Re: Shotgun with children?
I have no issues with a gun in the house, provided it is locked up properly, with ammo locked up seperately.
I think keeping a loaded shotgun under the bed is just a disaster waiting to happen, sorry.
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Posted 5/13/09 12:44 PM |
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Re: Shotgun with children?
I grew up with guns in my house. We were taught from day 1 that they were not a toy, etc. The thrill of a gun lost its appeal as we grew up. We knew they were only for dad (he was NYPD).
That said, I grew up as 1 of 6 kids in a house with guns and never had any issues. I believe that they can be around children with proper precautions. My dad's gun was always unloaded and with a combo lock on it.
We don't own a gun, but my dad, even retired, still carries a gun on his person (required for his job now). I know he is around my children now, so of course my kids are being taught the same. I know its not the same as having a gun in your house.
I don't believe in a gun though unless it was required for a job, etc.
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MrsPornStar
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Re: Shotgun with children?
As others have said, keeping a loaded gun under the bed is an absolute no. It is an accident waiting to happen. Not only for the children, but for everyone in the house.
i don't like guns. However, if DH decided he wanted one, I would make sure he was properly trained to use it and that it was stored appropriately (in a secure safe without ammo).
Bottom line, get a security system. It is worth it for piece of mind.
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Posted 5/13/09 1:10 PM |
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Malishka31
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Re: Shotgun with children?
You guys misunderstood the brooklyn to suffolk comment, except for the one person.
It is easier to own a gun in Suffolk. Not that Suffolk is less safe than Brooklyn. Just it is much harder to get a gun permit in NYC.
Then a couple of things, i never said my husband has no gun experience. He has owned a gun since he was 16. He goes to shooting ranges etc. He owned a gun when he moved to America as well. He is by no means inexperienced.
He comes from a different place. He is concerend not only about break ins, but riots and the like. He feels it is important for him to keep his family safe. I cant argue with that. Many of the statistics listed are also not true - i was doing the research recently, one of the my reasons for this post is because i am having a hard time finding concrete evidence against it from a source or area that is not prohibitively against ALL gun owner ship.
Additionally he is thinking of owning a double barrel gun with a child safety lock on it.
I am not saying i am for it but he is being very convincing.
Also, alarm and baseball bat is of no help when there is a gun in your face. And dogs can be shot.
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Posted 5/13/09 1:16 PM |
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Goldi0218
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Re: Shotgun with children?
No guns. Not ever. DH inherited one but its not in my home nor will it ever be.
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Posted 5/13/09 1:16 PM |
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Yikes, I would be firm with him about NOT getting a gun. Especially since all four of you will be in a one bedroom (or at least that's what I gathered from your previous post).
I'm very anti-guns in the houes w/ kids.
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Posted 5/13/09 1:21 PM |
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CrankyPants
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by Malishka31
You guys misunderstood the brooklyn to suffolk comment, except for the one person.
It is easier to own a gun in Suffolk. Not that Suffolk is less safe than Brooklyn. Just it is much harder to get a gun permit in NYC.
Then a couple of things, i never said my husband has no gun experience. He has owned a gun since he was 16. He goes to shooting ranges etc. He owned a gun when he moved to America as well. He is by no means inexperienced.
He comes from a different place. He is concerend not only about break ins, but riots and the like. He feels it is important for him to keep his family safe. I cant argue with that. Many of the statistics listed are also not true - i was doing the research recently, one of the my reasons for this post is because i am having a hard time finding concrete evidence against it from a source or area that is not prohibitively against ALL gun owner ship.
Additionally he is thinking of owning a double barrel gun with a child safety lock on it.
I am not saying i am for it but he is being very convincing.
Also, alarm and baseball bat is of no help when there is a gun in your face. And dogs can be shot.
But do you really think the gun under the bed idea is a good idea? Where would the gun be kept?
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Are they really all that many riots on Long Island that a gun would be necessary?
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Posted 5/13/09 1:24 PM |
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Posted by Palebride
Are they really all that many riots on Long Island that a gun would be necessary?
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And I don't understand how a gun would help with an intruder, so you shoot an intruder, then what?
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Posted 5/13/09 1:27 PM |
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Diana1215
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by Palebride
Are they really all that many riots on Long Island that a gun would be necessary?
I was wondering the same thing
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Posted 5/13/09 1:28 PM |
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by KateDevine
Posted by Palebride
Are they really all that many riots on Long Island that a gun would be necessary?
ITA
And I don't understand how a gun would help with an intruder, so you shoot an intruder, then what?
I agree. Yes, you are right, an intruder can cut your phone lines, or kill your dog, or even bring a gun with them. Or the whole country could break out in riots tomorrow. Or better yet, you could get the swine flu, or get in a car accident, or a train accident, or a meteor could fall out of the sky and randomly fall on your head.
The point being, yes, there is a multitude of possibilities, but the reality is that most of them are very, very unlikely, and that a big dog and a good alarm system will protect you against 99% of robberies/burglaries. Personally, I just don't think it's healthy, for anyone, to live in that kind of state of fear and paranoia. Yes, we should all take ordinary precautions, but I think these scenarios are a little extreme and don't necessarily justify keeping a gun under a bed.
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Posted 5/13/09 1:33 PM |
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by Malishka31
You guys misunderstood the brooklyn to suffolk comment, except for the one person.
It is easier to own a gun in Suffolk. Not that Suffolk is less safe than Brooklyn. Just it is much harder to get a gun permit in NYC.
Then a couple of things, i never said my husband has no gun experience. He has owned a gun since he was 16. He goes to shooting ranges etc. He owned a gun when he moved to America as well. He is by no means inexperienced.
He comes from a different place. He is concerend not only about break ins, but riots and the like. He feels it is important for him to keep his family safe. I cant argue with that. Many of the statistics listed are also not true - i was doing the research recently, one of the my reasons for this post is because i am having a hard time finding concrete evidence against it from a source or area that is not prohibitively against ALL gun owner ship.
Additionally he is thinking of owning a double barrel gun with a child safety lock on it.
I am not saying i am for it but he is being very convincing.
Also, alarm and baseball bat is of no help when there is a gun in your face. And dogs can be shot.
From Riots.....really? Im not sure there has ever been a riot here.
Again, despite the child lock, would he still keep the gun under the bed? Thats just irresponsible, lock or not.
Im not sure what youre asking us then, you seem very defensive as to our responses and then defended your husbands experience and reasoning for one. So Im not really sure what you want us to say?
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Posted 5/13/09 1:33 PM |
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Re: Shotgun with children?
I have no problem with guns. BUT.. NEVER under the bed.
I believe that guns should be locked at all times when not in use by the owner.
ETA: By "locked" I mean in a gun safe. Not in a closet with a small key.
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Posted 5/13/09 1:35 PM |
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Re: Shotgun with children?
No offense but a double barrel gun with a child safety lock on it doesn't really make it any safer. Kids are smart they know how to work little parts. I see how my 3 yr old can get things to work. Even with all the reasons you gave above I still think it's a bad idea. If it's properly stored he will hardly have time to unlock it, load it and shoot at an intruder. The intruder will already have you all tied up and have his bag filled with goodies I say leave the guns to law inforcement or seasonal hunters.....
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Posted 5/13/09 1:35 PM |
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Faithx2
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by KateDevine
Posted by Palebride
Are they really all that many riots on Long Island that a gun would be necessary?
ITA
And I don't understand how a gun would help with an intruder, so you shoot an intruder, then what?
I agree. Yes, you are right, an intruder can cut your phone lines, or kill your dog, or even bring a gun with them. Or the whole country could break out in riots tomorrow. Or better yet, you could get the swine flu, or get in a car accident, or a train accident, or a meteor could fall out of the sky and randomly fall on your head.
The point being, yes, there is a multitude of possibilities, but the reality is that most of them are very, very unlikely, and that a big dog and a good alarm system will protect you against 99% of robberies/burglaries. Personally, I just don't think it's healthy, for anyone, to live in that kind of state of fear and paranoia. Yes, we should all take ordinary precautions, but I think these scenarios are a little extreme and don't necessarily justify keeping a gun under a bed.
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HomeIsWithU
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by Malishka31
You guys misunderstood the brooklyn to suffolk comment, except for the one person.
It is easier to own a gun in Suffolk. Not that Suffolk is less safe than Brooklyn. Just it is much harder to get a gun permit in NYC.
Then a couple of things, i never said my husband has no gun experience. He has owned a gun since he was 16. He goes to shooting ranges etc. He owned a gun when he moved to America as well. He is by no means inexperienced.
He comes from a different place. He is concerend not only about break ins, but riots and the like. He feels it is important for him to keep his family safe. I cant argue with that. Many of the statistics listed are also not true - i was doing the research recently, one of the my reasons for this post is because i am having a hard time finding concrete evidence against it from a source or area that is not prohibitively against ALL gun owner ship.
Additionally he is thinking of owning a double barrel gun with a child safety lock on it.
I am not saying i am for it but he is being very convincing.
Also, alarm and baseball bat is of no help when there is a gun in your face. And dogs can be shot.
I'll be one of the few to agree with you on all points. We have a gun in a lockbox under our bed -- if an intruder breaks in we have a plan of action on how to get to and use the weapon as quickly and safely as possible. DH and I have both been to shooting ranges and practiced using the weapon.
We both grew up in homes with multiple guns and they were always locked away. We were introduced to them at an early age and therefore we were never "curious" to touch them on our own. We always learned that they could be dangerous and to respect them for what they were.
I'm sorry, but for those who say to get a baseball bat or an alarm, you need to be realistic. The fact is, if you're home alone (DH isnt around) a baseball bat is NOT going to do anything to someone with a gun. Not to mention, a woman swinging a baseball bat at a large man is not going to last long -- he'll mostlikely be able to fight back and hurt you much worse. And an alarm can be disconnected or worse, there are many home intruders who will do what they need to do all before the cops even have time to arrive.
If you take a look at the statistics in states where gun ownership is more common, you'll find that the fatality rates are actually much lower than in states (like NY) where its more taboo. As long as the weapon is in a lockbox (even if its under the bed and loaded) and the owners know how to use it, its actually very safe.
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Re: Shotgun with children?
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Posted by Malishka31
You guys misunderstood the brooklyn to suffolk comment, except for the one person.
It is easier to own a gun in Suffolk. Not that Suffolk is less safe than Brooklyn. Just it is much harder to get a gun permit in NYC.
Then a couple of things, i never said my husband has no gun experience. He has owned a gun since he was 16. He goes to shooting ranges etc. He owned a gun when he moved to America as well. He is by no means inexperienced.
He comes from a different place. He is concerend not only about break ins, but riots and the like. He feels it is important for him to keep his family safe. I cant argue with that. Many of the statistics listed are also not true - i was doing the research recently, one of the my reasons for this post is because i am having a hard time finding concrete evidence against it from a source or area that is not prohibitively against ALL gun owner ship.
Additionally he is thinking of owning a double barrel gun with a child safety lock on it.
I am not saying i am for it but he is being very convincing.
Also, alarm and baseball bat is of no help when there is a gun in your face. And dogs can be shot.
I'll be one of the few to agree with you on all points. We have a gun in a lockbox under our bed -- if an intruder breaks in we have a plan of action on how to get to and use the weapon as quickly and safely as possible. DH and I have both been to shooting ranges and practiced using the weapon.
We both grew up in homes with multiple guns and they were always locked away. We were introduced to them at an early age and therefore we were never "curious" to touch them on our own. We always learned that they could be dangerous and to respect them for what they were.
I'm sorry, but for those who say to get a baseball bat or an alarm, you need to be realistic. The fact is, if you're home alone (DH isnt around) a baseball bat is NOT going to do anything to someone with a gun. Not to mention, a woman swinging a baseball bat at a large man is not going to last long -- he'll mostlikely be able to fight back and hurt you much worse. And an alarm can be disconnected or worse, there are many home intruders who will do what they need to do all before the cops even have time to arrive.
If you take a look at the statistics in states where gun ownership is more common, you'll find that the fatality rates are actually much lower than in states (like NY) where its more taboo. As long as the weapon is in a lockbox (even if its under the bed and loaded) and the owners know how to use it, its actually very safe.
I don't mean to single you out but
I guess realistic for me would be seeing my 14 yr old friend in a casket with half her face blown off.....From her dads locked up "safe" gun....Where are the statistics for that???
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by HomeIsWithU
Posted by Malishka31
You guys misunderstood the brooklyn to suffolk comment, except for the one person.
It is easier to own a gun in Suffolk. Not that Suffolk is less safe than Brooklyn. Just it is much harder to get a gun permit in NYC.
Then a couple of things, i never said my husband has no gun experience. He has owned a gun since he was 16. He goes to shooting ranges etc. He owned a gun when he moved to America as well. He is by no means inexperienced.
He comes from a different place. He is concerend not only about break ins, but riots and the like. He feels it is important for him to keep his family safe. I cant argue with that. Many of the statistics listed are also not true - i was doing the research recently, one of the my reasons for this post is because i am having a hard time finding concrete evidence against it from a source or area that is not prohibitively against ALL gun owner ship.
Additionally he is thinking of owning a double barrel gun with a child safety lock on it.
I am not saying i am for it but he is being very convincing.
Also, alarm and baseball bat is of no help when there is a gun in your face. And dogs can be shot.
I'll be one of the few to agree with you on all points. We have a gun in a lockbox under our bed -- if an intruder breaks in we have a plan of action on how to get to and use the weapon as quickly and safely as possible. DH and I have both been to shooting ranges and practiced using the weapon.
We both grew up in homes with multiple guns and they were always locked away. We were introduced to them at an early age and therefore we were never "curious" to touch them on our own. We always learned that they could be dangerous and to respect them for what they were.
I'm sorry, but for those who say to get a baseball bat or an alarm, you need to be realistic. The fact is, if you're home alone (DH isnt around) a baseball bat is NOT going to do anything to someone with a gun. Not to mention, a woman swinging a baseball bat at a large man is not going to last long -- he'll mostlikely be able to fight back and hurt you much worse. And an alarm can be disconnected or worse, there are many home intruders who will do what they need to do all before the cops even have time to arrive.
If you take a look at the statistics in states where gun ownership is more common, you'll find that the fatality rates are actually much lower than in states (like NY) where its more taboo. As long as the weapon is in a lockbox (even if its under the bed and loaded) and the owners know how to use it, its actually very safe.
I just think the likelihood of a small child finding a loaded gun under your bed with just a safety lock on it (not saying thats what you have) and injuring himself or someone else is FAR more likely than an armed intruder breaking into your home with all other other safety precautions taken first.
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Diana1215
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Re: Shotgun with children?
I have a BIG issue with a gun being under a bed only in a lockbox and I can tell you that I do not want my child going to a home that has this. Children are MUCH smarter than we ever give them credit for. If they know where the gun is, and they have friends over, you don't think it would be exciting for them to show off this gun?? It's just a bad situation all around.
Like Beth said, unfortunately we cannot protect ourselves from everything out there in this world.
I would sleep much better at night knowing that I did not have a gun under my head!
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Re: Shotgun with children?
This is an ongoing debate in my home. My DH grew up in PA where hunting is very popular, they even close schools for the first day of deer hunting season, hence he grew up around guns and has inherited a few. They are all currently at my inlaws in a gun safe and that is where I want them to stay. I have 3 small children and just don't feel comfortable with them in my house. My DH says that he never went near them as a child, he respected the rules and understood the danger. He also says he wants them in the house to protect his family (I think he may have seen War of the Worlds one too many times ) I tell him so if someone breaks into the house what are you going to do say excuse me while I go get the keys to my gun safe and then go to a seperate location while you get the ammo). I just see no point. I know he would store them safely but I still see no pint. I can't help but think of all the children that have accidently shot themselves. I bet quite a few of their parents thought that they had properly secured their guns.
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by HomeIsWithU
Posted by Malishka31
You guys misunderstood the brooklyn to suffolk comment, except for the one person.
It is easier to own a gun in Suffolk. Not that Suffolk is less safe than Brooklyn. Just it is much harder to get a gun permit in NYC.
Then a couple of things, i never said my husband has no gun experience. He has owned a gun since he was 16. He goes to shooting ranges etc. He owned a gun when he moved to America as well. He is by no means inexperienced.
He comes from a different place. He is concerend not only about break ins, but riots and the like. He feels it is important for him to keep his family safe. I cant argue with that. Many of the statistics listed are also not true - i was doing the research recently, one of the my reasons for this post is because i am having a hard time finding concrete evidence against it from a source or area that is not prohibitively against ALL gun owner ship.
Additionally he is thinking of owning a double barrel gun with a child safety lock on it.
I am not saying i am for it but he is being very convincing.
Also, alarm and baseball bat is of no help when there is a gun in your face. And dogs can be shot.
I'll be one of the few to agree with you on all points. We have a gun in a lockbox under our bed -- if an intruder breaks in we have a plan of action on how to get to and use the weapon as quickly and safely as possible. DH and I have both been to shooting ranges and practiced using the weapon.
We both grew up in homes with multiple guns and they were always locked away. We were introduced to them at an early age and therefore we were never "curious" to touch them on our own. We always learned that they could be dangerous and to respect them for what they were.
I'm sorry, but for those who say to get a baseball bat or an alarm, you need to be realistic. The fact is, if you're home alone (DH isnt around) a baseball bat is NOT going to do anything to someone with a gun. Not to mention, a woman swinging a baseball bat at a large man is not going to last long -- he'll mostlikely be able to fight back and hurt you much worse. And an alarm can be disconnected or worse, there are many home intruders who will do what they need to do all before the cops even have time to arrive.
If you take a look at the statistics in states where gun ownership is more common, you'll find that the fatality rates are actually much lower than in states (like NY) where its more taboo. As long as the weapon is in a lockbox (even if its under the bed and loaded) and the owners know how to use it, its actually very safe.
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree. Having a loaded gun under the bed, even if it's stored in a lockbox, is not a good idea when there are children in the house. There's a greater chance of a tragic accident than being robbed and successfully warding off an intruder. It's one thing to have a gun and bullets locked in separate areas in the house. IMO, it's completely different to have a locked loaded gun under the bed where a child could potentially get to it.
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by HomeIsWithU
Posted by Malishka31
You guys misunderstood the brooklyn to suffolk comment, except for the one person.
It is easier to own a gun in Suffolk. Not that Suffolk is less safe than Brooklyn. Just it is much harder to get a gun permit in NYC.
Then a couple of things, i never said my husband has no gun experience. He has owned a gun since he was 16. He goes to shooting ranges etc. He owned a gun when he moved to America as well. He is by no means inexperienced.
He comes from a different place. He is concerend not only about break ins, but riots and the like. He feels it is important for him to keep his family safe. I cant argue with that. Many of the statistics listed are also not true - i was doing the research recently, one of the my reasons for this post is because i am having a hard time finding concrete evidence against it from a source or area that is not prohibitively against ALL gun owner ship.
Additionally he is thinking of owning a double barrel gun with a child safety lock on it.
I am not saying i am for it but he is being very convincing.
Also, alarm and baseball bat is of no help when there is a gun in your face. And dogs can be shot.
I'll be one of the few to agree with you on all points. We have a gun in a lockbox under our bed -- if an intruder breaks in we have a plan of action on how to get to and use the weapon as quickly and safely as possible. DH and I have both been to shooting ranges and practiced using the weapon.
We both grew up in homes with multiple guns and they were always locked away. We were introduced to them at an early age and therefore we were never "curious" to touch them on our own. We always learned that they could be dangerous and to respect them for what they were.
I'm sorry, but for those who say to get a baseball bat or an alarm, you need to be realistic. The fact is, if you're home alone (DH isnt around) a baseball bat is NOT going to do anything to someone with a gun. Not to mention, a woman swinging a baseball bat at a large man is not going to last long -- he'll mostlikely be able to fight back and hurt you much worse. And an alarm can be disconnected or worse, there are many home intruders who will do what they need to do all before the cops even have time to arrive.
If you take a look at the statistics in states where gun ownership is more common, you'll find that the fatality rates are actually much lower than in states (like NY) where its more taboo. As long as the weapon is in a lockbox (even if its under the bed and loaded) and the owners know how to use it, its actually very safe.
I don't mean to pick on you either, and I know you don't have a DC yet, but I do believe you will be shocked at how fast a child can open things, and to keep a loaded gun in even a lockbox under your bed could cause a HUGE problem.
And a woman holding a gun and a woman holding a baseball bat with a large man would have the same effect, don't you think? And then YOU get shot b/c he gets the gun away from you
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Malishka31
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Re: Shotgun with children?
I am not being defensive, but i have to address both sides of the issue to have an argument.
It is not an argument or a defense for a guy in law school to say " i dont want one, end of story". My husband and i dont communicate this way. A lot of statistics i was trying to find are not accurate. When they talk about chidren shooting themselves with guns it is almost ALWAYS a handgun and they consider a child in many statistics anyone under 20 or sometimes 23. If a 20 year old wanted to shoot someone with a gun, he can get a gun anyways, regardless of if the parents have one.
I asked this in a different place, where a lot of people are from PA/NC and other pro gun states- and the responses are very different. So it is hard to gauge what is accurate.
Many people said that they mounted the gun above the door to their bedroom- fully loaded, and ready to go just in case.
edit: I can shoot a gun as well. And i would get additional shotgun training.
Please note a shotgun is different from a handgun. I am trying to understand both side of the pros / against to owning a shotgun with a child. It really is depending on who I ask as to the response I get.
Many of the responses are grounded in political views on gun owner ship rather than pure statistics.
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by Palebride
Are they really all that many riots on Long Island that a gun would be necessary?
This is what I was thinking too. Anyway, to answer the OP question, I am not oppose to a gun in the house, but it has to be safely put away from the children, and unloaded with ammo kept in a separate box.
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