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eddiesmommy
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by SweetTooth
here's a statistic from the american academy of child & adolescent psychiatry - which I would consider an unbiased source.
Guns are an unfortunate and dangerous reality in the lives of our children and adolescents. It is estimated that 50 million Americans own over 200 million guns. Over one-third of all homes contain guns, and despite continuing educational efforts, the majority of these guns are kept loaded, unlocked and potentially accessible to children. Research indicates that if a gun is stored in a home, the risk of homicide increases threefold and the risk of suicide increases fivefold. Guns also are 43 times as likely to be used to kill a family member or someone known to a family than to kill a stranger.
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Re: Shotgun with children?
I've already mentioned my thoughts, but just wanted to bring up another issue with shooting guns off in your house. Even if everything works according to your plan. The burglar comes in the house, unarmed, and you have time to get the gun and ammo and aim it at the intruder. Numerous tests have confirmed that shotgun shot will go through several layers of sheetrock.... and into any body on the other side of the wall.... Unless your walls are solid concrete, you create a huge risk of shooting your own family without even knowing about it.... even if they aren't in the same room.... 
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by SweetTooth
here's a statistic from the american academy of child & adolescent psychiatry - which I would consider an unbiased source.
Guns are an unfortunate and dangerous reality in the lives of our children and adolescents. It is estimated that 50 million Americans own over 200 million guns. Over one-third of all homes contain guns, and despite continuing educational efforts, the majority of these guns are kept loaded, unlocked and potentially accessible to children. Research indicates that if a gun is stored in a home, the risk of homicide increases threefold and the risk of suicide increases fivefold. Guns also are 43 times as likely to be used to kill a family member or someone known to a family than to kill a stranger.
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Can you find the statistics to show that Nassau/Suffolk counties are one of our nations safest areas? (it's a study done that is proportionate to population or something like that)
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| Posted 5/13/09 3:06 PM |
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Re: Shotgun with children?
from the NRA
Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use. If you do not know how to check to see if a gun is unloaded, leave it alone. Carefully secure it, being certain to point it safely and to keep your finger off the trigger, and seek competent assistance.
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| Posted 5/13/09 3:07 PM |
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Re: Shotgun with children?
My husband is a hunter & there are shotguns in our house but the bullets are on a different floor both are locked up . I know that the gun & the bullets can not be in the same room or cabinet. I grew up with guns in my house my daughter no less nobody but me & my husband knows where the bullets are the are so hidden noone would find them & as for the guns they are under the bed but with no key they are not coming out.
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| Posted 5/13/09 3:13 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Shotgun with children?
I believe Table 6 & 7 are what you're looking for - it is updated but I can't find an updated one
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5002a1.htm
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| Posted 5/13/09 3:19 PM |
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mamabear
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Re: Shotgun with children?
I'm kind of torn on this issue. I always thought I would be anti-gun in the house with children. But, my FH was in the army for 7 years and is trained in gun use. He would like one when we have our house. I am scared, but unsure. We'd definitely have an alarm, and the gun would be locked up, but I'd still be scared.
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| Posted 5/13/09 3:19 PM |
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katiebug
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by Malishka31
You guys misunderstood the brooklyn to suffolk comment, except for the one person.
It is easier to own a gun in Suffolk. Not that Suffolk is less safe than Brooklyn. Just it is much harder to get a gun permit in NYC.
Then a couple of things, i never said my husband has no gun experience. He has owned a gun since he was 16. He goes to shooting ranges etc. He owned a gun when he moved to America as well. He is by no means inexperienced.
He comes from a different place. He is concerend not only about break ins, but riots and the like. He feels it is important for him to keep his family safe. I cant argue with that. Many of the statistics listed are also not true - i was doing the research recently, one of the my reasons for this post is because i am having a hard time finding concrete evidence against it from a source or area that is not prohibitively against ALL gun owner ship.
Additionally he is thinking of owning a double barrel gun with a child safety lock on it.
I am not saying i am for it but he is being very convincing.
Also, alarm and baseball bat is of no help when there is a gun in your face. And dogs can be shot.
I am a member of NRA, and I can spew facts out that support gun ownership and loose laws, like I previously stated, so i know the statistics you are speaking of.
One statistic is that more people drown in pools than are shot by guns each year. With that being said, if you own a house with a pool there are certain responsibilities you have to ensure not only your children safety but the safety of visitors in your home. Simple things like fences and alarms will save the lives of countless children.
The same goes for a gun. Precautions need to be taken. Proper maintenance, like keeping it dust free (which is difficult if kept under the bed), keep the gun locked and put away and unloaded is a must.
Sure there are other parts of the country where this is not the case, but it is a more intergrated part of society, it is not in New York, and your Dh needs to be aware of that. Since it is not intergrated in our society, people don't know how to handle guns, and when they don't know how that is when accidents happen. And if you have easy access to these weapons and you think they won't be found by your child with a curious neighbor child, you are mistaken.
And honestly, if your dog got shot while someone is breaking in, then you have big problems because 1) they are more than likely not alone, 2) have no fear 3) are probably experienced with a gun. So if those three are the case then what is your DH going to do? Have a shoot out in the house with your children there? And if there is a gun in your face there is little you can do. There are so many valid arguments to owning a gun, but I don't feel your DH has mentioned any of them.
I think owning a gun is a great thing and your right, but you need to be responsible about it, and really it is the irresponsible owners that ruin it for other responsible gun enthusiast.
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Re: Shotgun with children?
no gun will ever be in my house. ever.
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by Malishka31
I am not being defensive, but i have to address both sides of the issue to have an argument.
It is not an argument or a defense for a guy in law school to say " i dont want one, end of story". My husband and i dont communicate this way. A lot of statistics i was trying to find are not accurate. When they talk about chidren shooting themselves with guns it is almost ALWAYS a handgun and they consider a child in many statistics anyone under 20 or sometimes 23. If a 20 year old wanted to shoot someone with a gun, he can get a gun anyways, regardless of if the parents have one.
I asked this in a different place, where a lot of people are from PA/NC and other pro gun states- and the responses are very different. So it is hard to gauge what is accurate.
Many people said that they mounted the gun above the door to their bedroom- fully loaded, and ready to go just in case.
edit: I can shoot a gun as well. And i would get additional shotgun training.
Please note a shotgun is different from a handgun. I am trying to understand both side of the pros / against to owning a shotgun with a child. It really is depending on who I ask as to the response I get.
Many of the responses are grounded in political views on gun owner ship rather than pure statistics.
I'm not sure if you mentioned a "guy in law school," because I mentioned the gun discussion that we had in law school. Those discussions came from the backgrounds of my classmates. They were mosthly from Western PA. and there culture was rather accepting of guns. They could not convince me to take their point of view on this.
Like I said above, where there are no guns, there can be no gun accidents. A shotgun and a handgun are different but they are both guns.
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by Kerie-is-so-very
Posted by Malishka31
I am not being defensive, but i have to address both sides of the issue to have an argument.
It is not an argument or a defense for a guy in law school to say " i dont want one, end of story". My husband and i dont communicate this way. A lot of statistics i was trying to find are not accurate. When they talk about chidren shooting themselves with guns it is almost ALWAYS a handgun and they consider a child in many statistics anyone under 20 or sometimes 23. If a 20 year old wanted to shoot someone with a gun, he can get a gun anyways, regardless of if the parents have one.
I asked this in a different place, where a lot of people are from PA/NC and other pro gun states- and the responses are very different. So it is hard to gauge what is accurate.
Many people said that they mounted the gun above the door to their bedroom- fully loaded, and ready to go just in case.
edit: I can shoot a gun as well. And i would get additional shotgun training.
Please note a shotgun is different from a handgun. I am trying to understand both side of the pros / against to owning a shotgun with a child. It really is depending on who I ask as to the response I get.
Many of the responses are grounded in political views on gun owner ship rather than pure statistics.
I'm not sure if you mentioned a "guy in law school," because I mentioned the gun discussion that we had in law school. Those discussions came from the backgrounds of my classmates. They were mosthly from Western PA. and there culture was rather accepting of guns. They could not convince me to take their point of view on this.
Like I said above, where there are no guns, there can be no gun accidents. A shotgun and a handgun are different but they are both guns.
No my DH is in his last semester so i cant argue with him by just saying " i dont want one" i have to actually present legitimate arguments
I am picking and choosing what i say out of what my DH says. if he made a post he would be rather convincing on gun ownership. I am probably just picking and choosing the stupider sounding reasons so i get more negative responses lol
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Re: Shotgun with children?
I'm not even a parent and I find this idea just insane. There is NO reason to keep a loaded, unlocked gun or rifle in any location that is accessible to anyone. NO reason. That is one of the most unsafe practices of gun ownership I have ever heard and I truly hope he never gets a license to own.
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by Malishka31
I am not being defensive, but i have to address both sides of the issue to have an argument.
It is not an argument or a defense for a guy in law school to say " i dont want one, end of story". My husband and i dont communicate this way. A lot of statistics i was trying to find are not accurate. When they talk about chidren shooting themselves with guns it is almost ALWAYS a handgun and they consider a child in many statistics anyone under 20 or sometimes 23. If a 20 year old wanted to shoot someone with a gun, he can get a gun anyways, regardless of if the parents have one.
I asked this in a different place, where a lot of people are from PA/NC and other pro gun states- and the responses are very different. So it is hard to gauge what is accurate.
Many people said that they mounted the gun above the door to their bedroom- fully loaded, and ready to go just in case.
edit: I can shoot a gun as well. And i would get additional shotgun training.
Please note a shotgun is different from a handgun. I am trying to understand both side of the pros / against to owning a shotgun with a child. It really is depending on who I ask as to the response I get.
Many of the responses are grounded in political views on gun owner ship rather than pure statistics.
Why do you need statistics????
Would you not keep your cleaning chemicals stored away from your children??? No statistics needed there..child gets into chemicals, child gets poisoned..Child finds loaded gun...need I say more???
If you feel that it is safe to keep a gun under your bed in your home in Suffolk County- to ward off intruders or riotors, then please inform any parents of your child's playmates. They have a right to know, just as you have a right to keep a gun.
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JRD2008
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Re: Shotgun with children?
My DH's grandfather was an avid hunter, and when he passed away 2 years ago he inherited his guns. Yes, they are in our home, all 3 of them. HOWEVER, they are in a gun safe with a code and a key, and hidden on the top shelf of our walk in closet behind things. The bullets are locked in a seperate safe with its own code and own set of keys in a completely different part of the house. I see nothing wrong with it IF YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE ABOUT IT. But keeping a gun, even a locked one, under your bed or on top of your bedroom door, is anything but responsible. I would never ever feel comfortable leaving my kids at a house like that.
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| Posted 5/13/09 7:56 PM |
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by rojerono
I grew up in a house with several guns and cross bows. My father and brother hunted.
I was taught proper respect for firearms and firearm safety from a young age.
My sister was married to a policeman. His guns were always in a lockbox.
My other sister was married to a hunter - his 13 year old son has never touched any of his guns.
With all that said.. I don't ever want a gun in my house. And one of the reasons I am so protective about my kids being on play dates with people I don't know well is because I don't love the idea of them being in a home with unsecured guns or weapons.
If there isn't a reason for the gun it doesn't need to be in the house. My husband wanted a gun for 'safety' but I nixed that. If the only reason is 'self protection' or a fascination with weaponry - I don't get it. And my immediate impulse is that I don't want my kids around people who have those items for those reasons. I know it's kooky or crazy or whatnot - but that's how I feel.
It is like you are in my head. I could have said this almost completely verbatim.
I have my hunting license, I have owned guns, and still have some non-firing historic pieces. I grew up around others who owned guns. With that, in this day and age, I will not keep a fire arm that is capable of firing in my home. I have sold all of my guns, as has DH. We have dogs and an alarm.
Unfortunately, with children in the equation especially, you have to play out the worst case scenario....
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by Palebride
I wouldn't do it.
I think an alarm system is much safer and more effective.
There are too many possibilities for disaster with a gun in the house.
ITA!!
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by Malishka31
No my DH is in his last semester so i cant argue with him by just saying " i dont want one" i have to actually present legitimate arguments
I am picking and choosing what i say out of what my DH says. if he made a post he would be rather convincing on gun ownership. I am probably just picking and choosing the stupider sounding reasons so i get more negative responses lol
There is not one thing your DH can say that would convince me that having a gun makes you safer. It has nothing to do with you picking & choosing what his reasons are. Even the most diehard gun advocates would agree that a loaded shotgun under a bed is perhaps one of the most absurd & dangerous ways of storing a gun.
In fact, I welcome him to come into this discussion & post away. I am curious as to what argument he could bring up that would convince any one of us otherwise.
As I said before, having a shotgun may make it harder for a child to shoot themselves but it doesn't make it any harder for a child to accidentally shoot someone else.
Marriage is not law school nor a courtroom where either of you is the judge. While it's wonderful to be able to put your feelings & concerns into words, you don't have to debate every point. I think any statistic you come up with against, he's going to bring a statistic for it. In the end, no one here wants to see you & your child at the wrong end of a statistic.
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Re: Shotgun with children?
i think having a loaded shotgun under the bed with CHILDREN in the home is tantamount to child abuse. you are asking for trouble and/or harmed/dead children. NEVER underestimate a child and what they are capable of. NO child will always stay out of a parent's room regardless of the rules. at some point, a child would check out daddy's gun and i hate to think of what could happen.
and a shotgun? under a bed in suffolk? loaded? this makes no sense. since when are there riots in suffolk? if i were your neighbor i would NOT be pleased. as someone said, a shotgun is extremely powerful and MY family could be put at risk because of your decision.
i am not anti-gun at all. i'm not pro-gun either. i'm all for responsible gun owners having guns in their homes if they are RESPONSIBLE. a loaded shotgun in a home with children is irresponsible and honestly should be against the law in this part of the country.
as a parent, the thought of having a loaded shotgun in arm's reach of my child makes me sick. i KNOW that at some point, something awful would happen. DS could be 10 years old and want to show off to his friends. DS could be playing and just accidentally find it. or he could get angry and purposely go to get it. the possibilities are endless.
as many posters said, RESPONSIBLE gun owners keep their guns and ammo locked separately and AWAY from children at all times.
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by Malishka31
No my DH is in his last semester so i cant argue with him by just saying " i dont want one" i have to actually present legitimate arguments
I am picking and choosing what i say out of what my DH says. if he made a post he would be rather convincing on gun ownership. I am probably just picking and choosing the stupider sounding reasons so i get more negative responses lol
There is not one thing your DH can say that would convince me that having a gun makes you safer. It has nothing to do with you picking & choosing what his reasons are. Even the most diehard gun advocates would agree that a loaded shotgun under a bed is perhaps one of the most absurd & dangerous ways of storing a gun.
In fact, I welcome him to come into this discussion & post away. I am curious as to what argument he could bring up that would convince any one of us otherwise.
As I said before, having a shotgun may make it harder for a child to shoot themselves but it doesn't make it any harder for a child to accidentally shoot someone else.
Marriage is not law school nor a courtroom where either of you is the judge. While it's wonderful to be able to put your feelings & concerns into words, you don't have to debate every point. I think any statistic you come up with against, he's going to bring a statistic for it. In the end, no one here wants to see you & your child at the wrong end of a statistic.
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by Malishka31
No my DH is in his last semester so i cant argue with him by just saying " i dont want one" i have to actually present legitimate arguments
I am picking and choosing what i say out of what my DH says. if he made a post he would be rather convincing on gun ownership. I am probably just picking and choosing the stupider sounding reasons so i get more negative responses lol
There is not one thing your DH can say that would convince me that having a gun makes you safer. It has nothing to do with you picking & choosing what his reasons are. Even the most diehard gun advocates would agree that a loaded shotgun under a bed is perhaps one of the most absurd & dangerous ways of storing a gun.
In fact, I welcome him to come into this discussion & post away. I am curious as to what argument he could bring up that would convince any one of us otherwise.
As I said before, having a shotgun may make it harder for a child to shoot themselves but it doesn't make it any harder for a child to accidentally shoot someone else.
Marriage is not law school nor a courtroom where either of you is the judge. While it's wonderful to be able to put your feelings & concerns into words, you don't have to debate every point. I think any statistic you come up with against, he's going to bring a statistic for it. In the end, no one here wants to see you & your child at the wrong end of a statistic.
please invite him on here to voice his opinions! I'd love for him to try to convince us!
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Re: Shotgun with children?
I do have to say that most of the shootings I came across in my field of work were kids with a shotgun, not a pistol. Shooting themselves was not necessarily the issue, but they shot their friends because they wanted to show the shotgun and how they could hold it. Again, these news stories I had to cover were some of the worst I ever dealt with.
I pray for you and your unborn child. I understand that getting a gun is easier in Suffolk, but I have lived in a few different areas of the country and never thought to get a gun because it was easier. I think owning a gun is not the issue. I agree with the right to bear arms. My argument is having a loaded weapon ANYWHERE in the house. At 20 months, our son has completely amazed us with what he 'finds' and can use.
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Were you joking when you said DH wanted to keep it under the bed. Im sorry im not judging this but It just blows my mind...i cant beleive an adult would even contemplate this idea at all!!!!!
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Posted by saraH
no gun will ever be in my house. ever.
Could not have said it better.
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Re: Shotgun with children?
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by saraH
no gun will ever be in my house. ever.
Could not have said it better.
Same here.. as long as Im alive and breathing there wont be a firearm in my home.
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This is not Little House on the Prairie. There is no need for a shotgun in the house - mounted on a wall, or under a bed. Tell Pa that the number of riots breaking out in Suffolk County is pretty low.
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