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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by cinnabon
I know I haven't been posting here long, but I have been reading these boards for a while. I think this may be the most ridiculous post I have ever read. No one here has been talking down on these jobs. When money talk is involved, people are going to be insulted, but no one has said that a cop, firefighter, or military person is not a hero.
You should have read ALL the responses b4 u made ur post and would have seen cinnabon replied to this post on page 2:
"oh goodness.
If there is one thing that bugs me, it's the hero mentality of every single profession out there.
Doctors are heros.
Military are heros.
Cops, FDNY are heros.
Teachers are heros.
DNSY are heros.
People are people. We all bleed whether we work at Burger King or are a policeman. Not only do people know what they are getting into when they pick a career, so do their families. It's not easy all the time, and yes, it can be scary, but the life of one person is not anymore greater than then next.
Look, it's a career. People are paid to show up and do their job. It comes with benefits and risks. Some careers have better benefits due to the risks. Plain & simple.
How many people would honestly work at all if they didn't have to?
I just find all the glorifying that goes on unsettling."
Is it ridiculous now?
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by cinnabon
In other words, thats EXACTLY what she said, buddy.
And read the other responses to her post, they obviously read it the same way I did.
Nope I read it the same way as you did and I think THAT is the most ridiculous post I have ever read on here. Hero mentality for every single profession? I work in institutional money management... am I a hero? Heck no.
My brother runs into burning buildings in the Bronx (and gets paid like a third of what I make)... Is he a hero? Heck yes. To suggest otherwise is beyond ridiculous.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by Katareen
Posted by hanna7636
Being a cop is the only job besides fd and military that you might be killed working. I am not saying we deserve a lot of money but I do think my pension should go to my son so he has some kind of life if I should be killed.
Seriously?? How about miners, construction workers, fishermen, pilots, truck drivers...if you look up the most dangerous jobs I'm certain cops and fireman are not the top 2. Don't get mad that people trivialize your job and then trivialize others.
ITA... there are many other jobs where you can get killed at work. I understand where you are coming from with NYPD and FDNY but they arent the only ones.... My husband works for NYCHA as an Elevator Mechanic in the projects he is in thick of it everyday and he cant carry a gun. He was shot in the arm about 10 years ago while he sat in his shop, there were kids shooting in the courtyard and a bullet went thru the window...lucky for DH it went thru the bottom of his arm and was only a flesh wound....
Bottom line Bloomberg needs to go!!!!
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by WNA01
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by cinnabon
Is it ridiculous now?
Must be...he said so.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by cinnabon
Posted by WNA01
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by cinnabon
Is it ridiculous now?
Must be...he said so.
I apologize, I didn't realize she was commenting on a previous post. My post is now the most ridiculous post that I have ever read on this board.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by cinnabon
Posted by WNA01
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by cinnabon
Is it ridiculous now?
Must be...he said so.
I apologize, I didn't realize she was commenting on a previous post. My post is now the most ridiculous post that I have ever read on this board.
Nah... U got mixed up in all the politics, is all.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
anyone who quoted my posts and took them the wrong way seemed to not see the further explanation.
my husband is in the same line of work as a cop would be, except he gets sent overseas in a war.
He might not be gone overnight in a bad area in the city, but he's gone for months at at time.
i'm not bashing anyone. i'm saying regardless of jobs, WE ALL HAVE IT TOUGH & WE NEED TO BE ON EACH OTHER'S SIDE AND NOT THINK THAT ONE PROFESSION IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER.
WE ARE NOT THE PROBLEM, IT IS THE SYSTEM. So instead of fighting one another, why doesn't everyone come together?
When teachers say others don't get it, or when cops say no one knows what it means to "bleed blue," or military families say you have no idea what it is like for your spouse to miss the birth of your child, etc, NO ONE can really judge anyone else until they are in their shoes. At the END OF THE DAY, we are all people, all dealing with issues. We all bleed the same.
To assume that I don't "get it" is absolutely ridiculous.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by TripletMom
Posted by Katareen
Posted by hanna7636
Being a cop is the only job besides fd and military that you might be killed working. I am not saying we deserve a lot of money but I do think my pension should go to my son so he has some kind of life if I should be killed.
Seriously?? How about miners, construction workers, fishermen, pilots, truck drivers...if you look up the most dangerous jobs I'm certain cops and fireman are not the top 2. Don't get mad that people trivialize your job and then trivialize others.
ITA... there are many other jobs where you can get killed at work. I understand where you are coming from with NYPD and FDNY but they arent the only ones.... My husband works for NYCHA as an Elevator Mechanic in the projects he is in thick of it everyday and he cant carry a gun. He was shot in the arm about 10 years ago while he sat in his shop, there were kids shooting in the courtyard and a bullet went thru the window...lucky for DH it went thru the bottom of his arm and was only a flesh wound....
Bottom line Bloomberg needs to go!!!!
ITA there are many other dangerous jobs out there besides cops and firefighters.
and ITA bloomberg needs to go!!!
He also wants to privatize all the city workers. That's why he hired that Goldstein guy. whatever his name is.. I think i have it wrong.. it's gold something.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by cinnabon
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oh goodness.
If there is one thing that bugs me, it's the hero mentality of every single profession out there.
Doctors are heros.
Military are heros.
Cops, FDNY are heros.
Teachers are heros.
DNSY are heros.
People are people.
I just find all the glorifying that goes on unsettling.
Your right, when you or a loved one gets cancer, ask the guy at petco remove it, not the doctor I work for. The doctor that sat in a library for 15yrs to study how to save lives.
When
The next bombing happens(god forbid), and ur family gets killed, dont ask my cousin to revenge their lives.
When you get into the most minor accident, dont call the cops, write the report yourself. When someone breaks into your home, dont call the cops to dust for prints, u do it urself. When you witness a crime, dont call the cops, you chase the guy with the gun.
When ur house is on fire, DONT GET OUT, go around back and grab the hose. Dont call the fdny.
And dont send your children to school, u teach them, prepare them for their futures.
Just make sure you tell them to not take any of the jobs uve listed above, they arent the important ones that keep life going.
You get my point. Give me your address, ill tell my hubs to not respond to your calls.
My son stopped breathing, and it was that over receiving benefits cop that did cpr on him, not you.
I did not read her comment that way at all. The way I see it, relative to her comment, is that we all for the most part have a role in society which helps society run (of course there are exceptions). But for the most part, everyone's role is a necessary component of society - without which society would be unable to function. For instance, engiineers may not save lives but without them the office building would collapse over your head, or the bridge may fall from under you. Sanitation workers may just collect garbage but without them we would be overrun with garbage and eventually disease stemming from the garbage - like 19th c. England (and no I am not comparing garbagemen to cops). The point is that no one is better than anyone, ALL jobs/professions are NECESSARY to keep our society operating. We ALL to our best with that vocation which we do best I think it is very admirable what police officers do but I do not think it makes them MORE valuable than anyone else. I think everyone is equally valuable in different ways. I feel like this thread has becaome a pi$$ing contest to see whose life is worse thereby showing who is worth more.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
There are so many different arguments going on in this thread but my thought on the original post is that no benefits should ever be taken away from someone that took a job knowing there are certain benefits. You can't just make a career change as a cop or fireman the way you would in other careers. It's something you usually commit to for 20+ years, that's just the way it's structured. But as far as eliminating benefits from new recruits, that's another story. Those people have the opportunity to evaluate the risks and benefits of the job and make an informed decision. And the people who are determining the benefits package, well they have to evaluate if it will be attractive enough to appeal to the type of recruits they want.
I feel the exact same when it comes to teachers. You can't cut benefits and pay to teachers that are currently employed but you can change the structure for future generations. It's not like you can tell someone that's been teaching for 20 years that the pension she was counting on is no longer going to be there. But you can tell a new hire that she will not be entitled to the same type of pension that was given in the past. It's all an issue of supply and demand.
ETA: Before I get totally bashed, I just want to say that my father was a NYC cop for 25 years so I do understand what it's like to have family that is on the police force.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by lululu
There are so many different arguments going on in this thread but my thought on the original post is that no benefits should ever be taken away from someone that took a job knowing there are certain benefits. You can't just make a career change as a cop or fireman the way you would in other careers. It's something you usually commit to for 20+ years, that's just the way it's structured. But as far as eliminating benefits from new recruits, that's another story. Those people have the opportunity to evaluate the risks and benefits of the job and make an informed decision. And the people who are determining the benefits package, well they have to evaluate if it will be attractive enough to appeal to the type of recruits they want.
I feel the exact same when it comes to teachers. You can't cut benefits and pay to teachers that are currently employed but you can change the structure for future generations. It's not like you can tell someone that's been teaching for 20 years that the pension she was counting on is no longer going to be there. But you can tell a new hire that she will not be entitled to the same type of pension that was given in the past. It's all an issue of supply and demand.
ETA: Before I get totally bashed, I just want to say that my father was a NYC cop for 25 years so I do understand what it's like to have family that is on the police force.
No bashing! I totally agree with what you are saying. To change the rules when you are 1/2 way through the game is not right.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by lululu
There are so many different arguments going on in this thread but my thought on the original post is that no benefits should ever be taken away from someone that took a job knowing there are certain benefits. You can't just make a career change as a cop or fireman the way you would in other careers. It's something you usually commit to for 20+ years, that's just the way it's structured. But as far as eliminating benefits from new recruits, that's another story. Those people have the opportunity to evaluate the risks and benefits of the job and make an informed decision. And the people who are determining the benefits package, well they have to evaluate if it will be attractive enough to appeal to the type of recruits they want.
I feel the exact same when it comes to teachers. You can't cut benefits and pay to teachers that are currently employed but you can change the structure for future generations. It's not like you can tell someone that's been teaching for 20 years that the pension she was counting on is no longer going to be there. But you can tell a new hire that she will not be entitled to the same type of pension that was given in the past. It's all an issue of supply and demand.
ETA: Before I get totally bashed, I just want to say that my father was a NYC cop for 25 years so I do understand what it's like to have family that is on the police force.
I agree with you and I work in corporate America where I fund my own retirement and health benefits.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by NYPD-Wife
Someone should take Bloombergs pension away!
He makes more money from his business than being mayor. He wouldn't need his pension, trust me. 
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by lululu
There are so many different arguments going on in this thread but my thought on the original post is that no benefits should ever be taken away from someone that took a job knowing there are certain benefits. You can't just make a career change as a cop or fireman the way you would in other careers. It's something you usually commit to for 20+ years, that's just the way it's structured. But as far as eliminating benefits from new recruits, that's another story. Those people have the opportunity to evaluate the risks and benefits of the job and make an informed decision. And the people who are determining the benefits package, well they have to evaluate if it will be attractive enough to appeal to the type of recruits they want.
I feel the exact same when it comes to teachers. You can't cut benefits and pay to teachers that are currently employed but you can change the structure for future generations. It's not like you can tell someone that's been teaching for 20 years that the pension she was counting on is no longer going to be there. But you can tell a new hire that she will not be entitled to the same type of pension that was given in the past. It's all an issue of supply and demand.
ETA: Before I get totally bashed, I just want to say that my father was a NYC cop for 25 years so I do understand what it's like to have family that is on the police force.
I have to agree with this!
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
I dont believe because my husband is a police officer, his life is more important then mine, nor do I believe a firefighter is more important then my banker holding my life savings.
I'm a mom, that makes me pretty important.
I agree no one is more important than another, but they are heros.
I know I'll never receive a people heart for cleaning the house, tho sometimes I think I deserve one
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
I am so sick of people getting so testy about civil service workers and teachers getting paid a decent salary. These are very important jobs and the people who have them deserve to get paid enough to live int eh areas where they work and get good benefits! I know people get agitated bc they "pay their salaries", but they are working for you! They are protecting you, educating your children, keeping your neighborhood clean, and saving you if God forbid you get hurt or your house goes on fire. Shame on everyone who thinks we don't deserve it. It makes me sick. Flame away-- I don't care-- I feel very strongly about this -- I am a teacher and my DH is a cop.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by lululu
There are so many different arguments going on in this thread but my thought on the original post is that no benefits should ever be taken away from someone that took a job knowing there are certain benefits. You can't just make a career change as a cop or fireman the way you would in other careers. It's something you usually commit to for 20+ years, that's just the way it's structured. But as far as eliminating benefits from new recruits, that's another story. Those people have the opportunity to evaluate the risks and benefits of the job and make an informed decision. And the people who are determining the benefits package, well they have to evaluate if it will be attractive enough to appeal to the type of recruits they want.
I feel the exact same when it comes to teachers. You can't cut benefits and pay to teachers that are currently employed but you can change the structure for future generations. It's not like you can tell someone that's been teaching for 20 years that the pension she was counting on is no longer going to be there. But you can tell a new hire that she will not be entitled to the same type of pension that was given in the past. It's all an issue of supply and demand.
I agree with this too. While private industries DO change benefits often & many of us have seen an erosion of benefits these past few years, it still doesn't make it right.
I do think we need to cut back for future generations. Also given the update on what the true benefits are, I don't think most of them are excessive at all. 20 years, 25 years of 50% salary yes, but lifetime I think still excessive.
So far on this thread I've read about bleeding blue, the stress of being married to an officer, an officer saving a baby, who is a hero; who is not. I'm not going to engage in an emotional debate because I don't feel that it has a place. I don't think wearing a uniform, becoming a firefighter, joining the army or working in a school makes you a hero. People go into professions for a variety of reasons - some with pure intentions; some with other motivations. To me, a hero is about individual character. It's not about a blanket profession.
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Posted by nrthshgrl
I don't think wearing a uniform, becoming a firefighter, joining the army or working in a school makes you a hero. People go into professions for a variety of reasons - some with pure intentions; some with other motivations. To me, a hero is about individual character. It's not about a blanket profession.
and this ITA. My husband has awards, medals, pins, has been written up in newspapers, etc. Reality is, he doesn't wear a cape. He isn't Superman. He is no better than anyone else. His life is no more precious than anyone else's in this world. I've made huge sacrifices being married to him, and he's given up a lot, but we will never think we have it worse than anyone else in the world, regardless of their status or profession. And yes, I agree that a lot of these threads bring out a contest as to who has it worse... who is more valuable to society, and then the wonderful threats of "well, then my DH/brother/whoever won't respond to your pleas for help when you need them.." which is so silly.
True heros are humble and don't need to have it validated constantly. It can be anyone in the world - doesn't have to be someone in uniform.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
I have a question for teachers (i deal with city teachers). If you are a teacher or work for board of education do you have to notify them when you are arrested?
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by 20mrsc10
Posted by Katareen
Posted by emilylives
Yeah, I was going to say something similar, although probably not those specific professions that you listed. I'm pretty sure, for example, unless you mean fighter pilots in the military that pilot is a pretty low-risk job.
Not commercial airlines--small aircaft piloting (private jets, air taxis, etc) is very dangerous.
not if you know what you're doing
the statistics of dying in a plane are excessively low
my dad's a pilot for the nypd..prior to that for the coast guard
i think the solution to this is that all cops/fd/teachers quit their jobs and leave the rest of the population to figure it out
If we are talking statistics, it is a very low statistic that a cop actually dies in the line of duty. There are 34,500 NYPD cops, and on average 4 die per year. That is .00001159%.
I am not demeaning cops in anyway, you brought statistics into the thread. I am shedding some light onto the topic. Statistically speaking, the most dangerous job is an Alaskan King Crab Fisherman.
1. Then why are people complaining about taking care of NYPD widows if the cost is so low?
2. The Alaskan King Crab Fisherman "knew what he was getting into when he took the job" 
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
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Someone should take Bloombergs pension away!
I am sure Bloomberg doesn't get a pension for being mayor. The man is noble enough to only make $1 a year to do an extremely difficult job. Yes, I did call him a noble man. He has shown it as recently as the whole snow plow debacle. He took responsibility for the sanitation department slacking off to make him look like a fool. How many people here would have been as noble as that?
Seriously??
NOBLE? The man who told us to stop whining during the Christmas blizzard because everything was under control - even EMS - which we all know wasn't true?
The billionaire who is so out of touch with his constituents that he told us to "go to a Broadway show"?
He took responsibility because he was BUSTED - ON TAPE. He HAD to own up, he didn't do it because he had a noble heart....
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
1. IrishLass - I think I love you.
2. NYPD and FDNY die in LOD RISKING THEIR LIVES TO SAVE OTHERS. Don't you remember - They are the ones running in when you are running out? "Never forget"? Sound familiar? They don't die LOD fishing or mining.
3. MOST LOD benefits are funded through the UNION - a UNION that they pay into. If you are so jealous - join a UNION.
4. THEY ABSOLUTELY DID NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE SIGNING UP FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DH has 12 years on FDNY. He applied to be a FIRE FIGHTER. He wanted to FIGHT FIRES.
He didn't anticipate 9/11. He didn't anticipate losing HIS ENTIRE CREW.
He didn't anticipate the survivors' MEDICAL CONDITIONS FORCING THEM INTO EARLY RETIREMENT.
He didn't anticipate that he would be the "FRONT LINE ON TERROR" for NYC - that's right - FDNY and NYPD are your "FIRST RESPONDERS TO TERROR"
He didn't anticipate having to be trained in CPC suits - you know, CHEMICAL PROTECTIVE CLOTHING - in case a biochemical attack happens in Penn Station.
He didn't anticipate having to be trained to administer an ANTIDOTE TO NERVE GAS AND OTHER CHEMICAL WEAPONS to his colleagues in case their SUIT FAILED.
He didn't anticipate the FDNY telling him the antidote had been designed for YOUNG SOLDIERS and that they DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WOULD WORK ON ANYONE OLDER THAN 30 AND THAT IT COULD KILL them.
No, he didn't anticipate ANY of this. Not the nightmares, not the health problems, not the bull$hit....
He wanted to FIGHT FIRES.
Oh - and guess what? His new job description DID NOT COME WITH A RAISE.
Wake up people - don't judge things you have NO IDEA about.... YOU DON'T have all the facts....
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by hanna7636
I have a question for teachers (i deal with city teachers). If you are a teacher or work for board of education do you have to notify them when you are arrested? [/QU:
Not sure and
Quite off topic. Teachers are fingerprinted so maybe.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by lululu
There are so many different arguments going on in this thread but my thought on the original post is that no benefits should ever be taken away from someone that took a job knowing there are certain benefits. You can't just make a career change as a cop or fireman the way you would in other careers. It's something you usually commit to for 20+ years, that's just the way it's structured. But as far as eliminating benefits from new recruits, that's another story. Those people have the opportunity to evaluate the risks and benefits of the job and make an informed decision. And the people who are determining the benefits package, well they have to evaluate if it will be attractive enough to appeal to the type of recruits they want.
I feel the exact same when it comes to teachers. You can't cut benefits and pay to teachers that are currently employed but you can change the structure for future generations. It's not like you can tell someone that's been teaching for 20 years that the pension she was counting on is no longer going to be there. But you can tell a new hire that she will not be entitled to the same type of pension that was given in the past. It's all an issue of supply and demand.
ETA: Before I get totally bashed, I just want to say that my father was a NYC cop for 25 years so I do understand what it's like to have family that is on the police force.
Bashing? NOT HARDLY. You are completely correct, on all points.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by mom2aidan
1. IrishLass - I think I love you.
Thanks! You're pretty nifty yourself!
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| Posted 2/19/11 4:51 PM |
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