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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by Tilde
I DO see making abortion illegal as a deterrant. Will some women STILL go to lengths to get abortions ANYWAY? Yes, I know they will and I understand it is a horrible reality BUT I feel that making abortion illegal WILL make MORE women choose to better protect themselves against pregnancy AND choose alternatives IF they do become pregnant anyway.
so women have to give up their rights b/c of a few POS that abuse it?
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by emilain
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Posted by Deedlebug126
I don't think that abortion is the "easy way out" per se, however, I agree that the alternative would be to suck it up and take responsibility for the life you created and if you're not willing to do that, then you have no right having s*x.
And yet, people have sex & get pregnant all of the time. Teenagers are probably the most irresponsible with that notion of "that won't happen to me."
What do you do with those girls? I feel like those will be the most to suffer from the back alley/homemade abortions. It's not going to be the people with money to fly out of the country or to another state to have one. Right now in the US, states are putting limitations on abortions. As I mentioned, NY no longer does 3rd trimester abortions - even for quality of life issues.
What is the alternative?
foster care and adoption. I have placed 3 pregnant girls in mother-child homes in the past 3 weeks and they plan to give up their child for adoption.
The thing is, at 14 or 15, they are still kids themselves. They don't understand your grown-up view. They only see there is NO way they can tell their parents.
They CAN'T face their parents. Even if you think it's about communication.
Those girls have millions of things going through their head. They feel alone, they will disappoint their parents, they have no way out, they need to fix it before anybody finds out and make it all go away quickly. And then there will be back alley Dr to promise them to make it all go away and nobody will ever know.
That's what will happen. Sad but true! Even with all the responsibility talk of adults trying to reason a teenage girl.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Tilde
I DO see making abortion illegal as a deterrant. Will some women STILL go to lengths to get abortions ANYWAY? Yes, I know they will and I understand it is a horrible reality BUT I feel that making abortion illegal WILL make MORE women choose to better protect themselves against pregnancy AND choose alternatives IF they do become pregnant anyway.
so women have to give up their rights b/c of a few POS that abuse it?
the don;t have to give up their rights if they are being responsbile
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by emilain
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Tilde
I DO see making abortion illegal as a deterrant. Will some women STILL go to lengths to get abortions ANYWAY? Yes, I know they will and I understand it is a horrible reality BUT I feel that making abortion illegal WILL make MORE women choose to better protect themselves against pregnancy AND choose alternatives IF they do become pregnant anyway.
so women have to give up their rights b/c of a few POS that abuse it?
the don;t have to give up their rights if they are being responsbile
so the condom breaks, now what?
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Kidsaplenty
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
I think using the examples of rape/incest is a red herring. The vast majority of abortions are performed on women who had consensual sex.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
nm- read it wrong
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emilain
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by smdl
Posted by emilain
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by Deedlebug126
I don't think that abortion is the "easy way out" per se, however, I agree that the alternative would be to suck it up and take responsibility for the life you created and if you're not willing to do that, then you have no right having s*x.
And yet, people have sex & get pregnant all of the time. Teenagers are probably the most irresponsible with that notion of "that won't happen to me."
What do you do with those girls? I feel like those will be the most to suffer from the back alley/homemade abortions. It's not going to be the people with money to fly out of the country or to another state to have one. Right now in the US, states are putting limitations on abortions. As I mentioned, NY no longer does 3rd trimester abortions - even for quality of life issues.
What is the alternative?
foster care and adoption. I have placed 3 pregnant girls in mother-child homes in the past 3 weeks and they plan to give up their child for adoption.
The thing is, at 14 or 15, they are still kids themselves. They don't understand your grown-up view. They only see there is NO way they can tell their parents.
They CAN'T face their parents. Even if you think it's about communication.
Those girls have millions of things going through their head. They feel alone, they will disappoint their parents, they have no way out, they need to fix it before anybody finds out and make it all go away quickly. And then there will be back alley Dr to promise them to make it all go away and nobody will ever know.
That's what will happen. Sad but true! Even with all the responsibility talk of adults trying to reason a teenage girl.
with more public education, it doe snot have to be so grim for a teenage girl, more resources can help.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by greeneyes361708
I think using the examples of rape/incest is a red herring. The vast majority of abortions are performed on women who had consensual sex.
yup.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by greeneyes361708
I think using the examples of rape/incest is a red herring. The vast majority of abortions are performed on women who had consensual sex.
How do you know? And even if it WAS consensual, there's still MANY women who are raped each and every day. Why should those women have to deal with it and carry a baby because other people abuse their right?
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by emilain
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Tilde
I DO see making abortion illegal as a deterrant. Will some women STILL go to lengths to get abortions ANYWAY? Yes, I know they will and I understand it is a horrible reality BUT I feel that making abortion illegal WILL make MORE women choose to better protect themselves against pregnancy AND choose alternatives IF they do become pregnant anyway.
so women have to give up their rights b/c of a few POS that abuse it?
the don;t have to give up their rights if they are being responsbile
so the condom breaks, now what?
be prepared to deal with it, don;t have sex if you can;t deal with the possible outcome.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by emilain
Posted by smdl
Posted by emilain
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by Deedlebug126
I don't think that abortion is the "easy way out" per se, however, I agree that the alternative would be to suck it up and take responsibility for the life you created and if you're not willing to do that, then you have no right having s*x.
And yet, people have sex & get pregnant all of the time. Teenagers are probably the most irresponsible with that notion of "that won't happen to me."
What do you do with those girls? I feel like those will be the most to suffer from the back alley/homemade abortions. It's not going to be the people with money to fly out of the country or to another state to have one. Right now in the US, states are putting limitations on abortions. As I mentioned, NY no longer does 3rd trimester abortions - even for quality of life issues.
What is the alternative?
foster care and adoption. I have placed 3 pregnant girls in mother-child homes in the past 3 weeks and they plan to give up their child for adoption.
The thing is, at 14 or 15, they are still kids themselves. They don't understand your grown-up view. They only see there is NO way they can tell their parents.
They CAN'T face their parents. Even if you think it's about communication.
Those girls have millions of things going through their head. They feel alone, they will disappoint their parents, they have no way out, they need to fix it before anybody finds out and make it all go away quickly. And then there will be back alley Dr to promise them to make it all go away and nobody will ever know.
That's what will happen. Sad but true! Even with all the responsibility talk of adults trying to reason a teenage girl.
with more public education, it doe snot have to be so grim for a teenage girl, more resources can help.
I think you are missing the point!
It will happen regardless of education.
I honestly think it's so unfair to women and young women.
We are talking about responsibility. What about the guy? He is all OK. Walking away fresh like new penny. He does not have to deal with any of it.
Why can't we hear about this instead of just blaming women for being irresponsible?
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
ok, i am pro choice, 100%.
I just feel that no matter what the case my be...all women should have the right to choose. We have the right to vote and be anything we want to be, we have the right to do anything, why should someone take this right away.
I get the teenagers that think, oh nothing will happen to me if I have unprotected sex, and I see where you are coming from with them thinking of it as a form of birth control...and no I do not think that is right...BUT...we, as women, should have the RIGHT to CHOOSE.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by emilain
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by emilain
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Tilde
I DO see making abortion illegal as a deterrant. Will some women STILL go to lengths to get abortions ANYWAY? Yes, I know they will and I understand it is a horrible reality BUT I feel that making abortion illegal WILL make MORE women choose to better protect themselves against pregnancy AND choose alternatives IF they do become pregnant anyway.
so women have to give up their rights b/c of a few POS that abuse it?
the don;t have to give up their rights if they are being responsbile
so the condom breaks, now what?
be prepared to deal with it, don;t have sex if you can;t deal with the possible outcome.
you are entitled to your opinion.
but IMO, that isn't very realistic. everyone has sex. and if they're not having sex, they're thinking about it, or shopping for a cute outfit so that they can look hot for their SO, with the hope that the night ends with sex.
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Deedlebugs
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by smdl
Posted by emilain
Posted by smdl
Posted by emilain
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by Deedlebug126
I don't think that abortion is the "easy way out" per se, however, I agree that the alternative would be to suck it up and take responsibility for the life you created and if you're not willing to do that, then you have no right having s*x.
And yet, people have sex & get pregnant all of the time. Teenagers are probably the most irresponsible with that notion of "that won't happen to me."
What do you do with those girls? I feel like those will be the most to suffer from the back alley/homemade abortions. It's not going to be the people with money to fly out of the country or to another state to have one. Right now in the US, states are putting limitations on abortions. As I mentioned, NY no longer does 3rd trimester abortions - even for quality of life issues.
What is the alternative?
foster care and adoption. I have placed 3 pregnant girls in mother-child homes in the past 3 weeks and they plan to give up their child for adoption.
The thing is, at 14 or 15, they are still kids themselves. They don't understand your grown-up view. They only see there is NO way they can tell their parents.
They CAN'T face their parents. Even if you think it's about communication.
Those girls have millions of things going through their head. They feel alone, they will disappoint their parents, they have no way out, they need to fix it before anybody finds out and make it all go away quickly. And then there will be back alley Dr to promise them to make it all go away and nobody will ever know.
That's what will happen. Sad but true! Even with all the responsibility talk of adults trying to reason a teenage girl.
with more public education, it doe snot have to be so grim for a teenage girl, more resources can help.
I think you are missing the point!
It will happen regardless of education.
I honestly it's so unfaire to women and young women.
We are talking about responsibility. What about the guy? He is all OK. Walking away fresh like new penny. He does not have to deal with any of it.
Why can't we hear about this instead of just blaming women for being irresponsible?
What about a man who Wants the baby but the woman claims "it's my body"?
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Tilde
I DO see making abortion illegal as a deterrant. Will some women STILL go to lengths to get abortions ANYWAY? Yes, I know they will and I understand it is a horrible reality BUT I feel that making abortion illegal WILL make MORE women choose to better protect themselves against pregnancy AND choose alternatives IF they do become pregnant anyway.
so women have to give up their rights b/c of a few POS that abuse it?
Okay, IMO. Either way, illegal or legal - there is a horrendous downside.
When it is legal innocent babies are being killed ( IMO bc I do think life begins at conception - who knows if I am right? we won't know the truth until it is too late for it to matter anyway ) for no good reason.
When it is illegal many innocent women have to suffer bc of the actions of a few animals
If it were an easy decision it wouldn't be a debate surrounding every single election, KWIM?
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emilain
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by smdl
I think you are missing the point!
It will happen regardless of education.
I honestly it's so unfaire to women and young women.
We are talking about responsibility. What about the guy? He is all OK. Walking away fresh like new penny. He does not have to deal with any of it.
Why can't we hear about this instead of just blaming women for being irresponsible?
I have not missed any point, education makes changes, it will not necessarily happen if their ar emore resources, alternatives adn education. I agree the father should be 1/2 responsible as well. Maybe his parents or HE can care for th ebaby after he/she is born, now ther is an alternative
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Deedlebugs
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by Tilde
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Tilde
I DO see making abortion illegal as a deterrant. Will some women STILL go to lengths to get abortions ANYWAY? Yes, I know they will and I understand it is a horrible reality BUT I feel that making abortion illegal WILL make MORE women choose to better protect themselves against pregnancy AND choose alternatives IF they do become pregnant anyway.
so women have to give up their rights b/c of a few POS that abuse it?
Okay, IMO. Either way, illegal or legal - there is a horrendous downside.
When it is legal innocent babies are being killed ( IMO bc I do think life begins at conception - who knows if I am right? we won't know the truth until it is too late for it to matter anyway ) for no good reason.
When it is illegal many innocent women have to suffer bc of the actions of a few animals
If it were an easy decision it wouldn't be a debate surrounding every single election, KWIM?
I agree, and its actually pointless to debate because it is such a passionate topic for most and it is very hard to see other sides when you believe one way or the other.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by greeneyes361708
I think using the examples of rape/incest is a red herring. The vast majority of abortions are performed on women who had consensual sex.
That may be the case BUT if you take away the right to choose you take it away, end of story.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by Deedlebug126
Posted by Tilde
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Tilde
I DO see making abortion illegal as a deterrant. Will some women STILL go to lengths to get abortions ANYWAY? Yes, I know they will and I understand it is a horrible reality BUT I feel that making abortion illegal WILL make MORE women choose to better protect themselves against pregnancy AND choose alternatives IF they do become pregnant anyway.
so women have to give up their rights b/c of a few POS that abuse it?
Okay, IMO. Either way, illegal or legal - there is a horrendous downside.
When it is legal innocent babies are being killed ( IMO bc I do think life begins at conception - who knows if I am right? we won't know the truth until it is too late for it to matter anyway ) for no good reason.
When it is illegal many innocent women have to suffer bc of the actions of a few animals
If it were an easy decision it wouldn't be a debate surrounding every single election, KWIM?
I agree, and its actually pointless to debate because it is such a passionate topic for most and it is very hard to see other sides when you believe one way or the other.
I totally agree that this is completely a personal topic and no one is going to ever be able to sway some one either way. It is definitely an agree to disagree topic.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Who supports these women that decide to have their babies? The 15 year old father with a work permit to work a few hours a day?
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smdl
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by emilain
Posted by smdl
I think you are missing the point!
It will happen regardless of education.
I honestly it's so unfaire to women and young women.
We are talking about responsibility. What about the guy? He is all OK. Walking away fresh like new penny. He does not have to deal with any of it.
Why can't we hear about this instead of just blaming women for being irresponsible?
I have not missed any point, education makes changes, it will not necessarily happen if their ar emore resources, alternatives adn education. I agree the father should be 1/2 responsible as well. Maybe his parents or HE can care for th ebaby after he/she is born, now ther is an alternative
I think you are missing the point that it will be back to the 40' and 50's. Do you really think women will not try to abord themselves with knitting needles?
What is your alternatives to that?
Bleeding women transported to the ER or with infection.
Oh yes, that will happen.
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Kidsaplenty
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
To combat teen pregnancies
1- detailed sex education at a pre-pubescent age
2- access to free condoms/birth control without parental consent
3- access to morning after pill for free
Services available to women who become pregnant
1- Housing, tuition, and medical assistance if needed
2- Low to no cost babysitting
3- Counseling
4- Legal advice re: child support
5- Legal advice re:adoption
I think by providing a myriad of services for these women we will greatly reduce the number who will seek back alley abortions. It is a different time now than before Roe v Wade. Umarried mothers are not treated a lepers anymore, and it is not the end of every opportunity for single mothers. By helping these women not feel hopeless we will be giving these women a chance as well as their children.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by greeneyes361708
To combat teen pregnancies
1- detailed sex education at a pre-pubescent age
2- access to free condoms/birth control without parental consent
3- access to morning after pill for free
Services available to women who become pregnant
1- Housing, tuition, and medical assistance if needed
2- Low to no cost babysitting
3- Counseling
4- Legal advice re: child support
5- Legal advice re:adoption
I think by providing a myriad of services for these women we will greatly reduce the number who will seek back alley abortions. It is a different time now than before Roe v Wade. Umarried mothers are not treated a lepers anymore, and it is not the end of every opportunity for single mothers. By helping these women not feel hopeless we will be giving these women a chance as well as their children.
A lot of pro-life people do not believe in the day after pill
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by emilain
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by emilain
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Tilde
I DO see making abortion illegal as a deterrant. Will some women STILL go to lengths to get abortions ANYWAY? Yes, I know they will and I understand it is a horrible reality BUT I feel that making abortion illegal WILL make MORE women choose to better protect themselves against pregnancy AND choose alternatives IF they do become pregnant anyway.
so women have to give up their rights b/c of a few POS that abuse it?
the don;t have to give up their rights if they are being responsbile
so the condom breaks, now what?
be prepared to deal with it, don;t have sex if you can;t deal with the possible outcome.
OK who really deals with the outcome in most teenage pregnancies? Not the mother of the child it's the parents of the teenager.
I find so many of these answers really idealistic and I don't think the alternatives are really that rosy.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by smdl
Posted by greeneyes361708
To combat teen pregnancies
1- detailed sex education at a pre-pubescent age
2- access to free condoms/birth control without parental consent
3- access to morning after pill for free
Services available to women who become pregnant
1- Housing, tuition, and medical assistance if needed
2- Low to no cost babysitting
3- Counseling
4- Legal advice re: child support
5- Legal advice re:adoption
I think by providing a myriad of services for these women we will greatly reduce the number who will seek back alley abortions. It is a different time now than before Roe v Wade. Umarried mothers are not treated a lepers anymore, and it is not the end of every opportunity for single mothers. By helping these women not feel hopeless we will be giving these women a chance as well as their children.
A lot of pro-life people do not believe in the day after pill
Some don't even believe in birth control. I was told in precana that bc was considered abortion. I do NOT agree with that. There is no conception when the day after pill is used, IMO that means it is not abortion.
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