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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
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my concern if it ever became illegal is - dead babies found in dumpsters everyday.
it makes me sick when I hear it on the news every now and then. but if the option of abortion is not an option anymore, it's going to be a regular occurrence IMO 
I agree.
abortion is legal now and dead babies are found in dumpsters quite often.
I agree. but what I said was that if it becomes illegal, it will be a regular occurence IMO.
I don't agree with this. I think that women who dump their babies in the trash have a LOT more problems then not being ready for a baby!!
I think that if a somewhat mentally competent woman were forced to carry a pregnancy she didn't want, she would MOST likely choose to raise the child or give up for adoption.
I could be wrong about that, but I very highly doubt that we would see an increase in babies being left in dumpsters b/c an abortion was refused. I'm not quite sure what the outcome would be but I don't honestly think it is this!
You are talking about competency in PG women.
I mean. We have quite a few mommy to be on our own PG board crying. Did we all forget how emotional we were? What about PPD? I mean we are women. Can't we remember our moodswings over little stuff?
How can we ask someone else to be that rational when we are not in their shoes?
Don't get me wrong. I am for women keeping their child.
But the issue won't go away. We can make it illegal but it won't stop unwanted pregnancies. By nature they are unwanted. Some women keep their babies. Some women cannot deal with the facts and that's what it comes down to.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by smdl
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my concern if it ever became illegal is - dead babies found in dumpsters everyday.
it makes me sick when I hear it on the news every now and then. but if the option of abortion is not an option anymore, it's going to be a regular occurrence IMO
I agree.
abortion is legal now and dead babies are found in dumpsters quite often.
I agree. but what I said was that if it becomes illegal, it will be a regular occurence IMO.
I don't agree with this. I think that women who dump their babies in the trash have a LOT more problems then not being ready for a baby!!
I think that if a somewhat mentally competent woman were forced to carry a pregnancy she didn't want, she would MOST likely choose to raise the child or give up for adoption.
I could be wrong about that, but I very highly doubt that we would see an increase in babies being left in dumpsters b/c an abortion was refused. I'm not quite sure what the outcome would be but I don't honestly think it is this!
You are talking about competency in PG women.
I mean. We are quite a few mommy to be on our own PG board crying. Did we all forget how emotional we were? What about PPD? I mean we are women. Can't we remember our moodswings over little stuff?
How can we ask someone else to be that rational when we are not in their shoes?
Don't get me wrong. I am not for women keeping their child.
But the issue won't go away. We can make it illegal but it won't stop unwanted pregnancies. By nature they are unwanted. Some women keep their babies. Some women cannot deal with the facts and that's what it comes down to.
Maybe you're right. I don't know. I do know that the majority of abortions are performed in the first trimester. When it is much much easier to disassociate yourself from what is happening. I mean, you aren't showing...no movement detectable to mother, etc...as a pregnancy progresses and it becomes more "real"...feelings can change, options can be dealt with and found, help can intervene....I know this would not be the case in ALL situations but I just don't see a sudden surge in the # of babies left in dumpsters. BUT like I said I could be wrong.
All I know this issue needs to be addressed more than it ever has! REGARDLESS of legality! It's so disturbing
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
I am torn on this subject. I don't feel that abortion should be aform of birth control..ie. However anyone godforbid were rapped/incest..it should be pro-choice..I am still so disturbed thinking about the fact of fathers, stepfathers raping their daughters. I want to cry thinking about it..I am so naive..but I know it does happen..The bastards should rot in hell!@!
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
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I DO see making abortion illegal as a deterrant. Will some women STILL go to lengths to get abortions ANYWAY? Yes, I know they will and I understand it is a horrible reality BUT I feel that making abortion illegal WILL make MORE women choose to better protect themselves against pregnancy AND choose alternatives IF they do become pregnant anyway.
ITA! and although my heart aches for the women that may have been abused and find themselves pregnant, these are very very few and far between. I think we can all agree that there are always a few heart wrenching stories that cause some women to choose abortion. however, the vast majority of abortions are used on women that use it as birth control, those that refuse to take responsiblity for their actions or do not want to deal with a baby that has special needs or other imperfections and that is sad. where were all the women having back alley abortions before Roe v. Wade? that argument is not a good one for keeping abortion legal, IMO. there are several countries around the world where abortion is illegal and they do not have that problem.
i think the solution is to take RESPONSIBILITY for your actions. if that means abstinence, or birth control then buck up. And I strongly believe it "Let go, and let God." So many women don't let God, or whatever higher power one might believe in come in and intervene. often those babies that come to us in the roughest of circumstances give us the greatest joy. (I know my position of faith does NOT apply to all, but this is how I view it).
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
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I am totally PRO Life and I would hope that it would be a deterrant for females. Just like DUI, don;t want to kill yourself or someone else, or get arrested? Then don't drive OR come up with an alternative. We need to take responsibility for our actions and not given an "easy out" to deal with poor decision making.
I dont know how I feel about overturning Roe v Wade as a deterant. I dont know comparing it to DWI is effective either as people still get in their car and drive because their thinking is impaired. Just as a 14 y/o who get pregnant because she had unprotected sex with her 15 y/o boyfriend is going to be scared out of her wits and have her thinking impaired. I have heard the "easy out" argument and as the other posters have said, I dont think its a viable argument.
I think also that a distinction needs to be made that I am not "pro-abortion" I am pro-choice. Even if I think abortion is wrong I dont feel that I have the right to place my moral beliefs on anyone else.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by emilain
well, that is why I would hope it would deter. If a woman had alternatives such as universal healthcare, increased funds through WIC , housing alternatives, using a knitting needle would not be needed. Even though abortion is currnetly legal, most teens cannot afford it, and they issues of the 4-s and 50s have not been an issue, there are just more teen pregnancies. Again, I have NOT missed the point.
But see, that's just it. And I was hoping not to drag politics into this, but its hard not to.
You said above that if there were alternatives such as universal health care, and increased funding for WIC and housing there would be options. But the politicians out there that are "pro-life" are AGAINST these things!!! They try to strike down the idea of universal health care and say it's "socialized" medicine and ask "do you want the government making your health care decisions for you?!" (IMO, that's totally hypocritical.) They try to CUT funding for WIC and for HUD and other social programs that are out there to help these families!
I wish that we as a society could take a step back from this one issue b/c there are so many other ills in our society that could be worked on that would in the end affect the abortion debate. Voting for people that are of that opinion leads to LESS education, not more. Why can't we work on making sure that we have LESS unwanted pregnancies? Why can't we work on making sure that mothers and fathers have the resources they NEED to keep and care for their child?
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
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So, I'm aware that the alternatives to women having abortions are adoption and raising the baby themselves, but let's face it, when abortion was illegal in this country, women went to horrible lengths to terminate their pregnancies, anyway. I won't go into detail, as I'm sure we all know the history. But I'm just curious for those of you who want abortion to be illegal, how would you feel knowing that many girls would die trying to terminate their pregnancies or would be using back alley drs.? I'm just curious how everyone feels about that. And I truly am interested in hearing what you have to say, so please know I am not posting this to flame anyone, and I surely hope no one else will, either.
You know, I've given this alot of thought over the past year.
3-5 years ago, if you would have asked me my stance, I would have said, pro-life - make abortion illegal - case closed.
But then I thought about this EXACT point.
Fact is, you can make it illegal, and it won't go away, unfortunately. The back alley doctors would still be there, you'd have women leaving babies in dumpsters, or doing harmful things to themselves. And for the women that DID keep the kids, some may not be able to afford them and go on welfare.
So, I don't think making it illegal is the answer, because it wouldn't make it go away.
Now, if you ask me, my stance is "anti-abortion/pro-adoption"
While I feel abortion is morally wrong, I can't take it upon myself to make that decision for anyone else, because there are so many circumstances that I could never relate to. Until I've been in that position, I can't possibly tell someone what they can or can't do.
Plus, I happen to support the death penalty in some instances, so I can't very well be "pro-life" without being a hypocrite.
That being said, I think there should be less emphasis on trying to eliminate abortion, and more emphasis on increasing the options for women that are faced with that decision. More adoption education, and making domestic adoption less time-intensive and less costly in the US, so that people considering an abortion don't see it as the "only way out." There are millions of couples that are dying for a child - so if it was easier, maybe there'd be more cases of women choosing adoption over abortion.
And I realize that this isn't a given. Some wouldn't like the idea of having a child in the world from their lineage, who might come looking for them later. My point is, it would just help make women more informed before having to make that choice.
Don, thank you for taking the time to answer my question, I appreciated reading what you had to say.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by Domino
I think also that a distinction needs to be made that I am not "pro-abortion" I am pro-choice. Even if I think abortion is wrong I dont feel that I have the right to place my moral beliefs on anyone else.
Exactly. Is anyone really "pro-abortion?"
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
I'm on the fence.
On one hand I don't believe in taking away a woman's right, that's not fair. On the other hand, I don't agree with terminating a pregnancy if there is not an extenuating circumstance surrounding it; I don't believe in abortion as birth control.
I also don't think it's a good idea to automatically give every woman who couldn't have an abortion (assuming Roe v. Wade was overturned) all these "perks" that the other woman who chose to keep their baby weren't entitled to.
DH and I weren't married when we got pregnant with DD. We didn't have any money saved and we both still lived with our parents. Abortion never entered our minds, we worked our butts off to get out of our parent's houses and provide for the life that we created. It wasn't easy, it still isn't sometimes. Money is tight, but we make it work.
Why should someone else in the same situation get government assistance automatically just because they weren't allowed to have an abortion? You would have to give it to every pregnant woman... You think they take out a lot of taxes from your pay check now?
I think they should reform abortion. I think it should be for extreme cases. Rape, incest, health reasons, etc. and not past 10 weeks (Unless there is a health reason for the mother later on).
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
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I'm on the fence.
On one hand I don't believe in taking away a woman's right, that's not fair. On the other hand, I don't agree with terminating a pregnancy if there is not an extenuating circumstance surrounding it; I don't believe in abortion as birth control.
I also don't think it's a good idea to automatically give every woman who couldn't have an abortion (assuming Roe v. Wade was overturned) all these "perks" that the other woman who chose to keep their baby weren't entitled to.
DH and I weren't married when we got pregnant with DD. We didn't have any money saved and we both still lived with our parents. Abortion never entered our minds, we worked our butts off to get out of our parent's houses and provide for the life that we created. It wasn't easy, it still isn't sometimes. Money is tight, but we make it work.
Why should someone else in the same situation get government assistance automatically just because they weren't allowed to have an abortion? You would have to give it to every pregnant woman... You think they take out a lot of taxes from your pay check now?
I think they should reform abortion. I think it should be for extreme cases. Rape, incest, health reasons, etc. and not past 10 weeks (Unless there is a health reason for the mother later on).
Putting a price tag on a human life is disgusting. so babies are just worth the $150.00 the mother will get from WIC and that's why we should ban it? that's nuts, IMO.
Also, yes, there are lots of us, like yourself, that were not in the best financial situation when they had their first child. but like you said, you work hard and you MAKE IT WORK! most people, IMO, that have abortions are SELFISH and don't want to work hard to make it work. it would be "too hard" "too inconvenient."
I also think saying that all women that don't get abortions should be given assistance is ridiculous. i am sure there are many, many successful and extremely wealthy women that have had abortions because the baby would impede their jet-setting lifestyle.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by ArmyOfBabies
I'm on the fence.
On one hand I don't believe in taking away a woman's right, that's not fair. On the other hand, I don't agree with terminating a pregnancy if there is not an extenuating circumstance surrounding it; I don't believe in abortion as birth control.
I also don't think it's a good idea to automatically give every woman who couldn't have an abortion (assuming Roe v. Wade was overturned) all these "perks" that the other woman who chose to keep their baby weren't entitled to.
DH and I weren't married when we got pregnant with DD. We didn't have any money saved and we both still lived with our parents. Abortion never entered our minds, we worked our butts off to get out of our parent's houses and provide for the life that we created. It wasn't easy, it still isn't sometimes. Money is tight, but we make it work.
Why should someone else in the same situation get government assistance automatically just because they weren't allowed to have an abortion? You would have to give it to every pregnant woman... You think they take out a lot of taxes from your pay check now?
I think they should reform abortion. I think it should be for extreme cases. Rape, incest, health reasons, etc. and not past 10 weeks (Unless there is a health reason for the mother later on).
I actually think we shoud allow it to the time an amnio is given.
Again, another hot topic. Why get an amnio? Honestly, DH and I were on the same page when I got PG.
We are older parents. This was our 1st child.
We had a responsibility to this child. As much as DH and I wanted a child, were not sure if we were going to have a child, we would not have kept a child with downs syndrome. We have no family to support/help us. What would happen to this child when we are older and could not take care of him?
Who here is going to take care of this kid except my DH and I?
I think it's easy to have idealistic ideas. It's another to tell someone else to deal with issues when it's not you who has to deal with them.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by donegal419
Also, yes, there are lots of us, like yourself, that were not in the best financial situation when they had their first child. but like you said, you work hard and you MAKE IT WORK! most people, IMO, that have abortions are SELFISH and don't want to work hard to make it work. it would be "too hard" "too inconvenient."
I also think saying that all women that don't get abortions should be given assistance is ridiculous. i am sure there are many, many successful and extremely wealthy women that have had abortions because the baby would impede their jet-setting lifestyle.
wow
personally I have never had an abortion- but I find this pretty offensive
I am sure they are plenty of posters that have had an abortion and I doubt it was an easy selfish choice
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by Beth1210
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Also, yes, there are lots of us, like yourself, that were not in the best financial situation when they had their first child. but like you said, you work hard and you MAKE IT WORK! most people, IMO, that have abortions are SELFISH and don't want to work hard to make it work. it would be "too hard" "too inconvenient."
I also think saying that all women that don't get abortions should be given assistance is ridiculous. i am sure there are many, many successful and extremely wealthy women that have had abortions because the baby would impede their jet-setting lifestyle.
wow
personally I have never had an abortion- but I find this pretty offensive
I am sure they are plenty of posters that have had an abortion and I doubt it was an easy selfish choice
but if it not a selfish choice, then most people wouldn't do it. how is abortion not a selfish choice?
ETA: I didn't say it was an EASY choice, but I still think it's a selfish one.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by donegal419
but if it not a selfish choice, then most people wouldn't do it. how is abortion not a selfish choice?
ETA: I didn't say it was an EASY choice, but I still think it's a selfish one.
It's all frame of mind and reference. You can judge from where you sit and say that a woman that has one is selfish, but you have NO idea what is going on in her mind or her life, and what kind of life the child would be brought into.
I say this as someone who would never have an abortion, but I cannot force on someone else my morals. God gave us free will and he gave us Commandments. It's up to each of us as individuals to follow that and deal with the choices we make in this life or the next. But I won't ever impose my will on someone else.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
your entitled to your opinion
but I don't necessary think everyone that gets an abortion is selfish
I think it's a hard enough decesion for a woman to make and if she has to make- I am sure it's for a good reason
not everyone that gets an abortion is using as a form of birth control
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so I am actually posting on a Saturday night (thank you Hanna)
I started reading this thread hoping that people would give more options other than the "trite" give it up for adoption or "don't have sex" (LOVE that one  )
I seems to me that the people on these boards aren't really aware of what the statistics are on adoption in this country...let alone the crippling regulations governing it.
and more than likely, most posters have never even set foot in a foster care facility, let alone have lived in one.
and then there's the anti social service people...that are disgusted by women who have babies and are on welfare.
well, if you are "pro life" you are getting what you asked for...a living baby. but your "advice" and "assistance" ends there. b/c you don't support welfare. or you judge people on welfare. or you don't want to pay the extra taxes it would take to fund the social service programs and help these people raise their babies.
In the end...the CHILDREN YOU want to see LIVE are the ones that are most hurt and effected. but who cares...once you do your "save the fetus" bit...your work is done.
how you can demand a person raise a child but then DEMAND that they do it ALONE if beyond me.
seriously, my jaw drops at the idea...at these notions. it's almost comical, if it wasn't so sad.
***disclaimer...I am using the "global" you...not directing it at anyone in particular. I have no control over whether or not what I am saying applies to anyone here specifically.
oh, and I didn't read the whole thread...i couldn't...so if I missed anything along these lines, feel free to let me know.
 
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by Ophelia
so I am actually posting on a Saturday night (thank you Hanna)
I started reading this thread hoping that people would give more options other than the "trite" give it up for adoption or "don't have sex" (LOVE that one )
I seems to me that the people on these boards aren't really aware of what the statistics are on adoption in this country...let alone the crippling regulations governing it.
and more than likely, most posters have never even set foot in a foster care facility, let alone have lived in one.
and then there's the anti social service people...that are disgusted by women who have babies and are on welfare.
well, if you are "pro life" you are getting what you asked for...a living baby. but your "advice" and "assistance" ends there. b/c you don't support welfare. or you judge people on welfare. or you don't want to pay the extra taxes it would take to fund the social service programs and help these people raise their babies.
In the end...the CHILDREN YOU want to see LIVE are the ones that are most hurt and effected. but who cares...once you do your "save the fetus" bit...your work is done.
how you can demand a person raise a child but then DEMAND that they do it ALONE if beyond me.
seriously, my jaw drops at the idea...at these notions. it's almost comical, if it wasn't so sad.
***disclaimer...I am using the "global" you...not directing it at anyone in particular. I have no control over whether or not what I am saying applies to anyone here specifically.
oh, and I didn't read the whole thread...i couldn't...so if I missed anything along these lines, feel free to let me know.
i said something similar above but you said it with gusto. TY! 
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by Ophelia
so I am actually posting on a Saturday night (thank you Hanna)
I started reading this thread hoping that people would give more options other than the "trite" give it up for adoption or "don't have sex" (LOVE that one )
I seems to me that the people on these boards aren't really aware of what the statistics are on adoption in this country...let alone the crippling regulations governing it.
and more than likely, most posters have never even set foot in a foster care facility, let alone have lived in one.
and then there's the anti social service people...that are disgusted by women who have babies and are on welfare.
well, if you are "pro life" you are getting what you asked for...a living baby. but your "advice" and "assistance" ends there. b/c you don't support welfare. or you judge people on welfare. or you don't want to pay the extra taxes it would take to fund the social service programs and help these people raise their babies.
In the end...the CHILDREN YOU want to see LIVE are the ones that are most hurt and effected. but who cares...once you do your "save the fetus" bit...your work is done.
how you can demand a person raise a child but then DEMAND that they do it ALONE if beyond me.
seriously, my jaw drops at the idea...at these notions. it's almost comical, if it wasn't so sad.
***disclaimer...I am using the "global" you...not directing it at anyone in particular. I have no control over whether or not what I am saying applies to anyone here specifically.
oh, and I didn't read the whole thread...i couldn't...so if I missed anything along these lines, feel free to let me know.
I love you
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by donegal419
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by donegal419
Also, yes, there are lots of us, like yourself, that were not in the best financial situation when they had their first child. but like you said, you work hard and you MAKE IT WORK! most people, IMO, that have abortions are SELFISH and don't want to work hard to make it work. it would be "too hard" "too inconvenient."
I also think saying that all women that don't get abortions should be given assistance is ridiculous. i am sure there are many, many successful and extremely wealthy women that have had abortions because the baby would impede their jet-setting lifestyle.
wow
personally I have never had an abortion- but I find this pretty offensive
I am sure they are plenty of posters that have had an abortion and I doubt it was an easy selfish choice
but if it not a selfish choice, then most people wouldn't do it. how is abortion not a selfish choice?
ETA: I didn't say it was an EASY choice, but I still think it's a selfish one.
I don't think abortion is always a selfish choice. Think of the scenario where an unwanted child is carried to term, but is then born into a life of abuse and neglect. Or the mom just can't stop doing crack while pg, or she has 10 other children and just can't handle it emotionally or financially....
In those cases, I'd say HAVING the child is the selfish choice. Although the abortion alternative isn't something I relish, I personally would rather not be born than be born into such a life. I've worked with children who have lived under these conditions and I've seen the life-long horrific effects.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by donegal419
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I'm on the fence.
On one hand I don't believe in taking away a woman's right, that's not fair. On the other hand, I don't agree with terminating a pregnancy if there is not an extenuating circumstance surrounding it; I don't believe in abortion as birth control.
I also don't think it's a good idea to automatically give every woman who couldn't have an abortion (assuming Roe v. Wade was overturned) all these "perks" that the other woman who chose to keep their baby weren't entitled to.
DH and I weren't married when we got pregnant with DD. We didn't have any money saved and we both still lived with our parents. Abortion never entered our minds, we worked our butts off to get out of our parent's houses and provide for the life that we created. It wasn't easy, it still isn't sometimes. Money is tight, but we make it work.
Why should someone else in the same situation get government assistance automatically just because they weren't allowed to have an abortion? You would have to give it to every pregnant woman... You think they take out a lot of taxes from your pay check now?
I think they should reform abortion. I think it should be for extreme cases. Rape, incest, health reasons, etc. and not past 10 weeks (Unless there is a health reason for the mother later on).
Putting a price tag on a human life is disgusting. so babies are just worth the $150.00 the mother will get from WIC and that's why we should ban it? that's nuts, IMO.
Also, yes, there are lots of us, like yourself, that were not in the best financial situation when they had their first child. but like you said, you work hard and you MAKE IT WORK! most people, IMO, that have abortions are SELFISH and don't want to work hard to make it work. it would be "too hard" "too inconvenient."
I also think saying that all women that don't get abortions should be given assistance is ridiculous. i am sure there are many, many successful and extremely wealthy women that have had abortions because the baby would impede their jet-setting lifestyle.
I think something I wrote was lost in translation here. I never said that welfare should be banned and I NEVER put a price on a human life. I was playing devil's advocate to something else posted about extending all the services if abortion became illegal.
Also, again in your last paragraph, I was saying it would have to be fair to all women who have babies. Like I specified in my post, this was IF Roe v. Wade was overturned.
I also don't think MOST women who have abortions are selfish. Maybe those "jet-setters", yes, but I know people who have had them and I know their intentions were not selfish. I don't necessarily agree with their reasons, but it wasn't MY choice.
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| Posted 9/7/08 12:48 AM |
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monkeybride
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by donegal419
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by donegal419
Also, yes, there are lots of us, like yourself, that were not in the best financial situation when they had their first child. but like you said, you work hard and you MAKE IT WORK! most people, IMO, that have abortions are SELFISH and don't want to work hard to make it work. it would be "too hard" "too inconvenient."
I also think saying that all women that don't get abortions should be given assistance is ridiculous. i am sure there are many, many successful and extremely wealthy women that have had abortions because the baby would impede their jet-setting lifestyle.
wow
personally I have never had an abortion- but I find this pretty offensive
I am sure they are plenty of posters that have had an abortion and I doubt it was an easy selfish choice
but if it not a selfish choice, then most people wouldn't do it. how is abortion not a selfish choice?
ETA: I didn't say it was an EASY choice, but I still think it's a selfish one.
Wow, just wow!
Until you walk in someone's shoes you shouldn't judge.
And your Let go and Let god comment in your previous post gets another WOW from me. Really? I see too many suffering, neglected babies to think we should all let go and let god.
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| Posted 9/7/08 12:53 AM |
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ArmyOfBabies
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by smdl
Posted by ArmyOfBabies
I'm on the fence.
On one hand I don't believe in taking away a woman's right, that's not fair. On the other hand, I don't agree with terminating a pregnancy if there is not an extenuating circumstance surrounding it; I don't believe in abortion as birth control.
I also don't think it's a good idea to automatically give every woman who couldn't have an abortion (assuming Roe v. Wade was overturned) all these "perks" that the other woman who chose to keep their baby weren't entitled to.
DH and I weren't married when we got pregnant with DD. We didn't have any money saved and we both still lived with our parents. Abortion never entered our minds, we worked our butts off to get out of our parent's houses and provide for the life that we created. It wasn't easy, it still isn't sometimes. Money is tight, but we make it work.
Why should someone else in the same situation get government assistance automatically just because they weren't allowed to have an abortion? You would have to give it to every pregnant woman... You think they take out a lot of taxes from your pay check now?
I think they should reform abortion. I think it should be for extreme cases. Rape, incest, health reasons, etc. and not past 10 weeks (Unless there is a health reason for the mother later on).
I actually think we shoud allow it to the time an amnio is given.
Again, another hot topic. Why get an amnio? Honestly, DH and I were on the same page when I got PG.
We are older parents. This was our 1st child.
We had a responsibility to this child. As much as DH and I wanted a child, were not sure if we were going to have a child, we would not have kept a child with downs syndrome. We have no family to support/help us. What would happen to this child when we are older and could not take care of him?
Who here is going to take care of this kid except my DH and I?
I think it's easy to have idealistic ideas. It's another to tell someone else to deal with issues when it's not you who has to deal with them.
IMHO, I could never do it myself no matter the circumstance, I just know myself. That being said, I would never want the right taken away from every woman.
Your reasons would be the special cicumstance I was talking about. I still don't think it should be used as birth control. I met a woman once who had 5 abortions because her and her husband kept getting pregnant. That to me is what should NOT be allowed. It's great for her that she has the right to choose, but THAT is just stupid on her part.
I hope that a debate like this can be put to rest in the years to come by better educating our children so they don't have to make this choice some day.
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| Posted 9/7/08 12:59 AM |
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Chai77
Brighter days ahead
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Yeah, I also know a relative of a friend who is in her mid-20's and has had 5 abortions. I find that so sad and unfortunate and unnecessary (that has to be more than a one time condom malfunction- use BIRTH CONTROL).
That said, I do not think that because some people abuse the right that the choice should be taken away from us as women. That's like saying that because some people abuse prescription pain medication, that those medications should be illegal and unavailable to people who really need it.
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| Posted 9/7/08 1:05 AM |
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Beth
The Key to your new home....
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by monkeybride
Posted by donegal419
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by donegal419
Also, yes, there are lots of us, like yourself, that were not in the best financial situation when they had their first child. but like you said, you work hard and you MAKE IT WORK! most people, IMO, that have abortions are SELFISH and don't want to work hard to make it work. it would be "too hard" "too inconvenient."
I also think saying that all women that don't get abortions should be given assistance is ridiculous. i am sure there are many, many successful and extremely wealthy women that have had abortions because the baby would impede their jet-setting lifestyle.
wow
personally I have never had an abortion- but I find this pretty offensive
I am sure they are plenty of posters that have had an abortion and I doubt it was an easy selfish choice
but if it not a selfish choice, then most people wouldn't do it. how is abortion not a selfish choice?
ETA: I didn't say it was an EASY choice, but I still think it's a selfish one.
Wow, just wow!
Until you walk in someone's shoes you shouldn't judge.
And your Let go and Let god comment in your previous post gets another WOW from me. Really? I see too many suffering, neglected babies to think we should all let go and let god.
thank you monkeybride for calling that one out- I was  when I read that myself
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