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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by nrthshgrl
Who supports these women that decide to have their babies? The 15 year old father with a work permit to work a few hours a day?
Hard working people's tax dollars because they automatically qualify for Welfare. Fabulous!
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by smdl
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I think you are missing the point!
It will happen regardless of education.
I honestly it's so unfaire to women and young women.
We are talking about responsibility. What about the guy? He is all OK. Walking away fresh like new penny. He does not have to deal with any of it.
Why can't we hear about this instead of just blaming women for being irresponsible?
I have not missed any point, education makes changes, it will not necessarily happen if their ar emore resources, alternatives adn education. I agree the father should be 1/2 responsible as well. Maybe his parents or HE can care for th ebaby after he/she is born, now ther is an alternative
I think you are missing the point that it will be back to the 40' and 50's. Do you really think women will not try to abord themselves with knitting needles?
What is your alternatives to that?
Bleeding women transported to the ER or with infection.
Oh yes, that will happen.
well, that is why I would hope it would deter. If a woman had alternatives such as universal healthcare, increased funds through WIC , housing alternatives, using a knitting needle would not be needed. Even though abortion is currnetly legal, most teens cannot afford it, and they issues of the 4-s and 50s have not been an issue, there are just more teen pregnancies. Again, I have NOT missed the point.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
i will never understand the argument that making abortion illegal will be a deterent. if they are having unprotected sex, i'm sure they're not thinking that having an abortion will be the easy way to fix things. they're probably thinking that they'll never get pregnant! and what about women who were drugged or who were drinking? or slipped the date rape drug? teenagers don't exactly think with their heads all the time...
and a woman who wants to abort her child but is forced to keep it and place it up for adoption is possibly not going to take care of herself or the child during pregnancy. what if she smokes, drinks and does drugs? what kind of life will that child have even if he's adopted? if she is willing to have an abortion because she can't take care of the child or doesn't want it, there's no guarantee she'll have a healthy baby when all is said and done. (obviously not all women who want an abortion are that way...)
DH always tells me that abortion should only be legal for cases of rape. how in the world would you prove someone was really raped? some women are scared to even admit they were raped, then throw in that they can't abort the baby and it's a recipe for disaster. there is no way to prove rape...and even if you tried, the amount of time it would take would put the pregnancy into an advanced state. and then what?
it's so easy to say adoption...there are THOUSANDS of children who never get adopted. they live their lives as wards of the state and in and out of foster homes until they're 18 and are essentially thrown out on the street. what kind of life is that to never have a family? adoption is not a cheap or easy process.
so to answer the original question....there really is no great answer
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
What about a man who Wants the baby but the woman claims "it's my body"?
It's her body end of story!
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
my concern if it ever became illegal is - dead babies found in dumpsters everyday.
it makes me sick when I hear it on the news every now and then. but if the option of abortion is not an option anymore, it's going to be a regular occurrence IMO
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by juanvi
What about a man who Wants the baby but the woman claims "it's my body"?
It's her body end of story!
But then how is that fair? There is something seriously wrong with this. So if she chooses to keep the baby, he has to support it but if he wants it and she doesnt, thats it? Bye bye baby?
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by Deedlebug126
Posted by juanvi
What about a man who Wants the baby but the woman claims "it's my body"?
It's her body end of story!
But then how is that fair?
agreed, it is his baby too!
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by Deedlebug126
Posted by juanvi
What about a man who Wants the baby but the woman claims "it's my body"?
It's her body end of story!
But then how is that fair?
well I guess just as fair as a guy who leaves his GF when he finds out she's preggo. it's 100% her problem.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
my concern if it ever became illegal is - dead babies found in dumpsters everyday.
it makes me sick when I hear it on the news every now and then. but if the option of abortion is not an option anymore, it's going to be a regular occurrence IMO
I agree.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
my concern if it ever became illegal is - dead babies found in dumpsters everyday.
it makes me sick when I hear it on the news every now and then. but if the option of abortion is not an option anymore, it's going to be a regular occurrence IMO
I agree.
abortion is legal now and dead babies are found in dumpsters quite often.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by browneyedgirl
i will never understand the argument that making abortion illegal will be a deterent. if they are having unprotected sex, i'm sure they're not thinking that having an abortion will be the easy way to fix things. they're probably thinking that they'll never get pregnant! and what about women who were drugged or who were drinking? or slipped the date rape drug? teenagers don't exactly think with their heads all the time...
and a woman who wants to abort her child but is forced to keep it and place it up for adoption is possibly not going to take care of herself or the child during pregnancy. what if she smokes, drinks and does drugs? what kind of life will that child have even if he's adopted? if she is willing to have an abortion because she can't take care of the child or doesn't want it, there's no guarantee she'll have a healthy baby when all is said and done. (obviously not all women who want an abortion are that way...)
DH always tells me that abortion should only be legal for cases of rape. how in the world would you prove someone was really raped? some women are scared to even admit they were raped, then throw in that they can't abort the baby and it's a recipe for disaster. there is no way to prove rape...and even if you tried, the amount of time it would take would put the pregnancy into an advanced state. and then what?
it's so easy to say adoption...there are THOUSANDS of children who never get adopted. they live their lives as wards of the state and in and out of foster homes until they're 18 and are essentially thrown out on the street. what kind of life is that to never have a family? adoption is not a cheap or easy process.
so to answer the original question....there really is no great answer
I agree with it all. Very well said!!
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
We have not even touch the abortion for other reasons.
I watched a woman on TV. She said she found out that her baby was NOT going to be viable. Yet, she was too advanced in her pregnancy. She wanted to terminate. Was told no. So she carried the baby for months. Gave birth to a baby who died later on in the hospital.
The baby died regardless. She still does not understand to this day why she was forced to go through all this.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
I am pro-choice but could never have an abortion myself. I wasn't married yet to my DH when we got pregnant, we weren't ready for a baby financally, but we have made it this far and so I know that for me, another baby would always be a blessing.
But I know that everyone's situation is different and I feel that it is such a personal decision, that each and every woman has the RIGHT to make it for themselves.
There are some changes that I'd like to see. I also aggree that it should always be available in cases of rape, abuse, etc. I also feel that it should happen very early on in a pregnancy. And if it is going to remain an option to women, I do think there should be more education for young adults and adolecents. I think the educations has to come from a variety of sources. School, gov't led programs AND the parents/families of these kids. My mom and dad NEVER talked to us about sex when we were growing up, it was forbidden, but my sister and I did always keep open communication with my younger sister,who is now 20 and is definately living a more responsible life then any of my siblings did at her age, myself included.
We had a girl in my school who was pregnant a year ago. She was in the 5th grade. The scary thing is that she was so early in her puberty, that she didn't even realize she was pregnant until it was too late for even the consideration of an abortion. A 11 years old she gave birth to her step-father's baby, who had been raping and abusing her for years.
I just feel like our country needs to come so much further in this area. It's not just a matter of abortions being legal or not legal, it is so much more. It's communication, availability of resources for everyone, reguardless of age, social and economic status, etc. I just feel like making abortion illegal, would be such a step in the wrong direction.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Deedlebug126
Posted by juanvi
What about a man who Wants the baby but the woman claims "it's my body"?
It's her body end of story!
But then how is that fair?
well I guess just as fair as a guy who leaves his GF when he finds out she's preggo. it's 100% her problem.
Its actually not the same, she will receive state support and assistance (its not that hard nowadays to get it) but if he wants that baby and she doesn't, he is losing a child.
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| Posted 9/6/08 10:18 PM |
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juanvi
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Deedlebug126
Posted by juanvi
What about a man who Wants the baby but the woman claims "it's my body"?
It's her body end of story!
But then how is that fair?
well I guess just as fair as a guy who leaves his GF when he finds out she's preggo. it's 100% her problem.
True. Not to mention...the man does not have to deal with all lthat the woman does...including, for some, risking their lives to have the baby. Not to mention the emotional aspects and social stigma that the pregnancy may have on her. Not him.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
In MY opinion, alternative to abortion is adoption or taking responsibility and raising the child.
Yes, I know that not every woman can support a child. I know many children are waiting to be adopted...and I know there are brutal circumstances out there...
That is why I am not completely sure of my pro-life stance. I question this all the time. I know for myself I could never abort, the thought sickens me.
I do know that in my heart I believe that every unborn life deserves the chance at life...so how I can say it's ok if that is what my conscience tells me?? It's not even a religious thing even though my whole catholic family is avid pro-lifers. It's probably helped mold my feelings, I'll admit that but I've stepped outside my faith and come the conclusion myself that something is not right about abortion. I think that the creation of a human being is the most miraculous and amazing gift we can be given.
So I don't know. I don't like thinking of children waiting to be adopted and thrown into the world at 18 without knowing where they belong. But the feeling of giving life the chance to be lived outweighs the negatives.
A sorority sister of mine was the product of a rape. Her mother was 18, raped and got pregnant with her. Horrendous awful situation yet she was adopted by wonderful people. She talked about it quite often and how her birth mother could have easily aborted without remorse but obviously happy over the fact she chose life. To me, it reinforced my pro-life stance. I know it is one isolated incident but it helped me believe what I feel is right.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by smdl
We have not even touch the abortion for other reasons.
I watched a woman on TV. She said she found out that her baby was NOT going to be viable. Yet, she was too advanced in her pregnancy. She wanted to terminate. Was told no. So she carried the baby for months. Gave birth to a baby who died later on in the hospital.
The baby died regardless. She still does not understand to this day why she was forced to go through all this.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
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Posted by SweetestOfPeas
my concern if it ever became illegal is - dead babies found in dumpsters everyday.
it makes me sick when I hear it on the news every now and then. but if the option of abortion is not an option anymore, it's going to be a regular occurrence IMO
I agree.
abortion is legal now and dead babies are found in dumpsters quite often.
I agree. but what I said was that if it becomes illegal, it will be a regular occurence IMO.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Shut it, Peas! 
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by Deedlebug126
Shut it, Peas!
no air hump tonight? 
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| Posted 9/6/08 10:22 PM |
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
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Posted by Deedlebug126
Shut it, Peas!
no air hump tonight?
I would never go that far 
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
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Posted by SweetestOfPeas
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Shut it, Peas!
no air hump tonight?
I would never go that far
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by prncss
So, I'm aware that the alternatives to women having abortions are adoption and raising the baby themselves, but let's face it, when abortion was illegal in this country, women went to horrible lengths to terminate their pregnancies, anyway. I won't go into detail, as I'm sure we all know the history. But I'm just curious for those of you who want abortion to be illegal, how would you feel knowing that many girls would die trying to terminate their pregnancies or would be using back alley drs.? I'm just curious how everyone feels about that. And I truly am interested in hearing what you have to say, so please know I am not posting this to flame anyone, and I surely hope no one else will, either.
You know, I've given this alot of thought over the past year.
3-5 years ago, if you would have asked me my stance, I would have said, pro-life - make abortion illegal - case closed.
But then I thought about this EXACT point.
Fact is, you can make it illegal, and it won't go away, unfortunately. The back alley doctors would still be there, you'd have women leaving babies in dumpsters, or doing harmful things to themselves. And for the women that DID keep the kids, some may not be able to afford them and go on welfare.
So, I don't think making it illegal is the answer, because it wouldn't make it go away.
Now, if you ask me, my stance is "anti-abortion/pro-adoption"
While I feel abortion is morally wrong, I can't take it upon myself to make that decision for anyone else, because there are so many circumstances that I could never relate to. Until I've been in that position, I can't possibly tell someone what they can or can't do.
Plus, I happen to support the death penalty in some instances, so I can't very well be "pro-life" without being a hypocrite.
That being said, I think there should be less emphasis on trying to eliminate abortion, and more emphasis on increasing the options for women that are faced with that decision. More adoption education, and making domestic adoption less time-intensive and less costly in the US, so that people considering an abortion don't see it as the "only way out." There are millions of couples that are dying for a child - so if it was easier, maybe there'd be more cases of women choosing adoption over abortion.
And I realize that this isn't a given. Some wouldn't like the idea of having a child in the world from their lineage, who might come looking for them later. My point is, it would just help make women more informed before having to make that choice.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Deedlebug126
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
my concern if it ever became illegal is - dead babies found in dumpsters everyday.
it makes me sick when I hear it on the news every now and then. but if the option of abortion is not an option anymore, it's going to be a regular occurrence IMO
I agree.
abortion is legal now and dead babies are found in dumpsters quite often.
I agree. but what I said was that if it becomes illegal, it will be a regular occurence IMO.
I don't agree with this. I think that women who dump their babies in the trash have a LOT more problems then not being ready for a baby!!
I think that if a somewhat mentally competent woman were forced to carry a pregnancy she didn't want, she would MOST likely choose to raise the child or give up for adoption.
I could be wrong about that, but I very highly doubt that we would see an increase in babies being left in dumpsters b/c an abortion was refused. I'm not quite sure what the outcome would be but I don't honestly think it is this!
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
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Posted by prncss
So, I'm aware that the alternatives to women having abortions are adoption and raising the baby themselves, but let's face it, when abortion was illegal in this country, women went to horrible lengths to terminate their pregnancies, anyway. I won't go into detail, as I'm sure we all know the history. But I'm just curious for those of you who want abortion to be illegal, how would you feel knowing that many girls would die trying to terminate their pregnancies or would be using back alley drs.? I'm just curious how everyone feels about that. And I truly am interested in hearing what you have to say, so please know I am not posting this to flame anyone, and I surely hope no one else will, either.
You know, I've given this alot of thought over the past year.
3-5 years ago, if you would have asked me my stance, I would have said, pro-life - make abortion illegal - case closed.
But then I thought about this EXACT point.
Fact is, you can make it illegal, and it won't go away, unfortunately. The back alley doctors would still be there, you'd have women leaving babies in dumpsters, or doing harmful things to themselves. And for the women that DID keep the kids, some may not be able to afford them and go on welfare.
So, I don't think making it illegal is the answer, because it wouldn't make it go away.
Now, if you ask me, my stance is "anti-abortion/pro-adoption"
While I feel abortion is morally wrong, I can't take it upon myself to make that decision for anyone else, because there are so many circumstances that I could never relate to. Until I've been in that position, I can't possibly tell someone what they can or can't do.
Plus, I happen to support the death penalty in some instances, so I can't very well be "pro-life" without being a hypocrite.
That being said, I think there should be less emphasis on trying to eliminate abortion, and more emphasis on increasing the options for women that are faced with that decision. More adoption education, and making domestic adoption less time-intensive and less costly in the US, so that people considering an abortion don't see it as the "only way out." There are millions of couples that are dying for a child - so if it was easier, maybe there'd be more cases of women choosing adoption over abortion.
And I realize that this isn't a given. Some wouldn't like the idea of having a child in the world from their lineage, who might come looking for them later. My point is, it would just help make women more informed before having to make that choice.
Very well said 
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