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Jesaroo
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
1. you dont get real papers from pet shops
2. why do you want papers if you arent going to show?
3. what makes you think you saved your dog? was he on his death bed? was he about to be put to sleep if not sold then and there?
the only people who want this topic to "end already" are the ones who have bought from pet shops and know its wrong. the ones who defend their actions rather than saying what really happened : they made a poor decision based on ignorance.
i admit i got tinky from what i later learned was a byb and instead of defending my poor choice i now FIGHT bybs & mills instead. i take the negative and try to turn it into a positive.
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Diane
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Posted by ThusSpokeLaLolita
1. you dont get real papers from pet shops
2. why do you want papers if you arent going to show?
3. what makes you think you saved your dog? was he on his death bed? was he about to be put to sleep if not sold then and there?
the only people who want this topic to "end already" are the ones who have bought from pet shops and know its wrong. the ones who defend their actions rather than saying what really happened : they made a poor decision based on ignorance.
i admit i got tinky from what i later learned was a byb and instead of defending my poor choice i now FIGHT bybs & mills instead. i take the negative and try to turn it into a positive.
The only poor choice I made is that I paid too much. It is YOUR opinion to say I didnt save him. He is now in a loving home,
Enough with YOUR opinions. This is MY opinion.
Message edited 5/21/2007 1:08:15 PM.
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| Posted 5/21/07 1:01 PM |
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MsMBV
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Posted by Diane
The only poor choice I made is that I paid too much.
The ONLY problem that you keep referring to is the cost. What about the conditions from which the dog was brought into this world? What about the fact that the dog was bred, distributed and sold illegally and under false pretenses?
The fact that you love your dog and that you provide a loving home has nothing to do with the manner in which you obtained the dog. And I think that the conversation is becoming defensive because we are not referring to the same thing. No one is arguing that you love your dog - no one is arguing that you provide a good home for Tiger. And no one is saying that only rescue or adopted dogs deserve to be in good homes. That is not the point. I do believe that you love your dog and treat your dog as a loving and welcomed member of your family, just as the rest of us do.
I am trying very hard to see both sides, as I think that is the best way for education. I apologize for where this post has turned - it is never my intent to single anyone out, but your OP is about how you can see that you saved your dog & that no one should tell you otherwise, however all you seem to be bothered by is that you think you got ripped off. I just think we are talking about two different things. You say that you won't shop there anymore, but you then admitted in another post how you were there shopping & you saw them giving an older dog away for free, so apparently you do still shop there.
The reality is, PMs are illegal, fake papers need to be more heavily regulated, and pet shops are not ethical - no matter what the price tag.
I will also admit that before finding out the truth about pet shops & PMs I too got a dog for my mother from a Pet shop. Once I learned what had to happen and what I was supporting for that dog to get to a store, boy my view of things changed. I wish I had known ahead of time, and I wish I had a website like this to inform me. NEVER AGAIN will I buy from a pet shop, nor will I shop for ANY ITEM in a shop that sells dogs/cats. AND I will do whatever I can to educate people about unethical breeding, Back-yard-breeders, and PMs.
I am sorry if it offends you, but we are telling the truth here, not merely expressing opinion. We are sharing fact.
And for the record I have no ill feelings toward you or your dog.
ETA: Also, you are more than entitled to have no ill feelings about where you got your dog, or toward PMs & pet shops. That is indeed your right. However, when we are talking about the affects and realities of PMs, etc, we are not sharing opinions, we are sharing facts. The opinion arises when we discuss how much it bothers us, or how inhumane we think it is. I just wanted to clarify that one last point.
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Jesaroo
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Posted by Diane
The only poor choice I made is that I paid too much.
this comment is a world of saddness!
msmbv:
 thank you for eloquently putting all of that.
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| Posted 5/21/07 2:00 PM |
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Diane
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
I dont care what you say Jess....I did save Tiger.
Was a gun pointed to his head..NO, but is his life better than living in a crate..YES!!!!
Would I buy from a pet store again...no I wouldnt, so why cant you just leave it at that.
So LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!! Your sad that you have to ridicule people on wherew they bought their pets. No I probably will NOT buy from a pet store again. Yes, I made a mistake, but we walked in there with no intentions of buying an animal, and we just fell in love with him and his personality. Should we have researched it more..Yes, we should have done more research, but we didnt.
We we left and came back and he was still there, so we got him.
I am NOT going on anymore with this, because obviously where I bought his is NOT GOOD enough for you.
Do I question where you bought your dogs?? No, so leave me alone.
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| Posted 5/21/07 2:36 PM |
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Jesaroo
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
you're taking this wayyyyyyyy too personally.
i never said anything about where you got Tiger.
it was not personal attack on you either. i simply said in my opinion if you bought fom a pet shop you did not save them. this is my opinion and i am entitled to it.
once again, i have to beat it inot peoples' heads this wasnt a "dont buy fom petshops" thread. it was simply, ASKING for people to use the word "saved" more wisely.
i think it is interesting however, how i say that your comment(s) about how much Tiger was is sad i get an eyeroll and you jump on me? i never jumped on you.
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| Posted 5/21/07 3:33 PM |
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Porrruss
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Diane,
I think the issue here is that you've continually stated how you felt you got ripped off because of the price, and the implication that you *would* again buy a pet store pup if the price was right (e.g. "I probably wouldn't buy from a pet store again" [which says the possibilty is there]; "I JUST wouldn't shop in that store again" [but perhaps would go to another pet store with a lower price]).
You made a mistake due to ignorance, just as MANY others have (including people here)- and no one is bashing you for that. The problem I see is that YOUR statements imply that you would do it again, even after being educated on the subject.
The truth is, you may feel you *saved* your dog (who undeniably you love very much)- but you unknowingly did it at the expense of three other puppies. And rather than learn from the experience and education you have since been provided, you choose to get defensive and imply that you would possibly do it again.
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| Posted 5/21/07 3:42 PM |
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Diane
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
well, then Im sorry, it sounded like a personal attack...I know I paid too much for Tiger, but the comment made by someones else that it was sad ...and you clapping..well I thought it was an attack.
Yes, you are entitled to you opinion about the word save...as I will have MY opinion about it.
Im DONE with this
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| Posted 5/21/07 3:43 PM |
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Diane
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Posted by MsMBV
Posted by Diane
The only poor choice I made is that I paid too much.
The ONLY problem that you keep referring to is the cost. What about the conditions from which the dog was brought into this world? What about the fact that the dog was bred, distributed and sold illegally and under false pretenses?
How do you know that his paperworks is NOT legal?? How do you know that maybe I did look up the people on his paperwork and found out that they were legal documents and real purebred papers. I know that there are some places that do NOT do the right thing, but I made sure I went above and beyond to find out that the paperwork was NOT bigus.
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CaseyGirl
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Lolita -
You can state your opinion. But I think it is coming off as "holier than thou"...and that is what is getting people annoyed. I don't know you in person, but to me you are coming off as "What I say is right, and you are wrong". Who are you to say who is ignorant? Come on. It really wasn't right to call people that.
Even though you said "not trying to start trouble" you must have on some level knew that it would.
To us, our pets are our babies and where they came from doesn't matter once you have them....you gave them a good home and that is what matters.
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| Posted 5/21/07 3:48 PM |
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KGools
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Posted by CoopersMom01
I strongly disagree with the OP (sorry Jess, I know you weren't trying to stir up drama). Saving an animal, IMO, is totally subjective.
We bought Cooper from a pet store, not fully knowing or understanding the cruelty behind pet stores and puppy mills (excuse our ignorance at the time, we just fell in love). We bought him under the false pretense that he was HEALTHY and it wasn't until the following night when we rushed him to a 24 hr. hospital that we realized we were dooped. We could've returned him to the shop and said to hell with him and the shop, and gotten our money back... but we didn't. We SAVED him from a very uncertain and CRUEL death.
Truthfully, I don't care about the other animals in those pet stores, I only care about MINE and what we did for him and what we're still doing for him, so yes, we SAVED him and I don't think that lessens the meaning of the word or lessens what people who saved dogs from kills shelters did... IMO, it puts me in the greatest company and among some of the most caring and selfless indivuduals out there.
To save is to save... it shouldn't matter from who, what, where or under what circumstances you did it, bottom line, you did it, you saved a life....
I reiterate....^^^^^
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with Diane, nor am I saying I agree or disagree with Jess... bottom line, we all love our pets and where we got them or how we got them or even whether we saved them or not is irrelevant in the end.
IMO, whether you go your pet from a pet store or a breeder, you saved your pet from a life of uncertaintly. Was each pet in harms way?... some yes, some no, but in the end, we provide a safe loving home for them and to me, that's what's important.
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Diane
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Posted by Porrruss
Diane,
I think the issue here is that you've continually stated how you felt you got ripped off because of the price, and the implication that you *would* again buy a pet store pup if the price was right (e.g. "I probably wouldn't buy from a pet store again" [which says the possibilty is there]; "I JUST wouldn't shop in that store again" [but perhaps would go to another pet store with a lower price]).
You made a mistake due to ignorance, just as MANY others have (including people here)- and no one is bashing you for that. The problem I see is that YOUR statements imply that you would do it again, even after being educated on the subject.
The truth is, you may feel you *saved* your dog (who undeniably you love very much)- but you unknowingly did it at the expense of three other puppies. And rather than learn from the experience and education you have since been provided, you choose to get defensive and imply that you would possibly do it again.
I meant it that I would NOT buy ANOTHER dog from a pet store, but teh fact that if I were to buy him all over again I would because of his personality...meaning I do NOT regret getting HIM
Message edited 5/21/2007 3:50:04 PM.
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Porrruss
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Posted by Diane
Posted by Porrruss
Diane,
I think the issue here is that you've continually stated how you felt you got ripped off because of the price, and the implication that you *would* again buy a pet store pup if the price was right (e.g. "I probably wouldn't buy from a pet store again" [which says the possibilty is there]; "I JUST wouldn't shop in that store again" [but perhaps would go to another pet store with a lower price]).
You made a mistake due to ignorance, just as MANY others have (including people here)- and no one is bashing you for that. The problem I see is that YOUR statements imply that you would do it again, even after being educated on the subject.
The truth is, you may feel you *saved* your dog (who undeniably you love very much)- but you unknowingly did it at the expense of three other puppies. And rather than learn from the experience and education you have since been provided, you choose to get defensive and imply that you would possibly do it again.
I meant it that I would NOT buy ANOTHER dog from a pet store, but teh fact that if I were to buy him all over again I would because of his personality...meaning I do NOT regret getting HIM
Got it. Thanks for the clarification....
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| Posted 5/21/07 3:52 PM |
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MsMBV
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Posted by Diane
Posted by MsMBV
Posted by Diane
The only poor choice I made is that I paid too much.
The ONLY problem that you keep referring to is the cost. What about the conditions from which the dog was brought into this world? What about the fact that the dog was bred, distributed and sold illegally and under false pretenses?
How do you know that his paperworks is NOT legal?? How do you know that maybe I did look up the people on his paperwork and found out that they were legal documents and real purebred papers. I know that there are some places that do NOT do the right thing, but I made sure I went above and beyond to find out that the paperwork was NOT bigus.
I am not going to continually argue this, as I can see how it is going nowhere. However, as I mentioned before not all KCs are legitimate. At least 4 in the US were created just to make PMs & BYB look legitimate. Even AKC papers can be falsified & made to look legitimate. That is all I was saying.....
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| Posted 5/21/07 4:11 PM |
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Jesaroo
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Posted by CaseyGirl
Lolita -
You can state your opinion. But I think it is coming off as "holier than thou"...and that is what is getting people annoyed. I don't know you in person, but to me you are coming off as "What I say is right, and you are wrong". Who are you to say who is ignorant? Come on. It really wasn't right to call people that.
Even though you said "not trying to start trouble" you must have on some level knew that it would.
To us, our pets are our babies and where they came from doesn't matter once you have them....you gave them a good home and that is what matters.
i am not trying to come off as holier than though AT ALL.
i think that maybe because i speak strongly about the same issues time and time again is what makes people feel this.
i knew this topic might start drama, but i wasnt asking for the drama.
i honestly just think that people use the word "save" alittle bit too loosely. and i felt if i brought it to peoples' attention than maybe they would agree.
if people want to say htey saved their pet they will reguardless of how i feel about it, but if maybe one person understands what i mean and where i am comign from and they agree maybe they will think twice before using the word.
and like i said, i dont even consider myself as someone who has "saved" an animal, so its not ME who would get offeneded. its just i know many many people who have and i think out of respect to them the word shouldnt be used in all circumstances.... but this is my opinion. i was simply trying to get one POV out there about it.
i am not doubting anyones love for their animals. where you acquire your dog makes no difference in how much you love them.
its just *to me* sounds slightly like advocating getting from a petshop to help 'save' one.
and about the word "ignorant"... why do people take it as a derogatory term??? its not. if tou bought from a pet shop without knowing about mills it is because you were ignorant about them. that is the truth. it isnt slander. i was ignorant about Tinkerbells breeder being a byb. i dont see how that is offensive . i suppose i could have used the term 'uneducated about puppymills' but to me it is all the same.
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| Posted 5/21/07 4:20 PM |
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CaseyGirl
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
ig·no·rant (ig'n?r-?nt)
adj.
1) Lacking education or knowledge.
2) Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3) Unaware or uninformed.
I guess some people would see that as an insult - esp #1. But I do see your point in how some may not.
I think it's time to put this topic to bed and agree to disagree on this one....
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| Posted 5/21/07 4:24 PM |
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Diana1215
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
I've personally never realized anyone said that they "Saved" their dog from a pet shop, and even if they did - who really cares the wording that is used.
We all know that everyone who comes on this board loves their pets as if they were their children. I think that is what counts the most. Not where they got it from, how much they paid for their pet, or how they refer to their pet. It's how you treat and care for your pet that truly counts.
I don't know much at all about pet shops and BYB and didn't know A SINGLE thing about them until I had Molly. But really, everyone should respect the fact that there are some great pet owners on this board who go above and beyond for their pets everyday instead of shooting people down for their terminology.
Just my two cents! 
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
I have held off from answering this thread, but after reading the last few posts I want to say this....
Arguments over phraseology will get us nowhere. If we want to "save" dogs we should do more to inform people. Post more threads with information ala Kara's ASPCA thread (which I asked Kim to pin).
Terminology isn't the important thing here - helping to rid this country of Puppymills is. What we need to do is focus on education and spreading the information, not what words people are using.
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Posted by CaseyGirl
ig·no·rant (ig'n?r-?nt)
adj.
1) Lacking education or knowledge.
2) Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3) Unaware or uninformed.
I guess some people would see that as an insult - esp #1. But I do see your point in how some may not.
I think it's time to put this topic to bed and agree to disagree on this one....
I am the first to admit that there are many areas in which I am ignorant!
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Posted by Gertyrae
I have held off from answering this thread, but after reading the last few posts I want to say this....
Arguments over phraseology will get us nowhere. If we want to "save" dogs we should do more to inform people. Post more threads with information ala Kara's ASPCA thread (which I asked Kim to pin).
Terminology isn't the important thing here - helping to rid this country of Puppymills is. What we need to do is focus on education and spreading the information, not what words people are using.
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Time for me to weigh in. I rescued Oscar. It was a private rescue and not through a rescue group. Oscar's story is a long one (and he is a long dog, pun intended). A day or so later, Oscar would have gone to a shelter. I'm no less a rescuer just because he was given up directly to me and not to an official rescue group. It was a matter of timing for us.
I have never bought a pet from a pet shop, nor would I. As for people who do buy in stores, many of them have bought sick dogs and many of them did so knowing that the dog was sick. I think they can say that they did rescue their dog. They gave one dog a better life. However, that rescue did put money into a PM's pocket and did make room for more puppy mill dogs in the store and does perpetuate puppy mills.
I think that we do have to remember that we all love our animals. I do think that it is great to educate people about BYBs and puppy mills. But this board is having a silencing effect. I know for a fact that there are people who love their animals but do not post here because they feel that this issue has taken over the board and that if they bring up anything about where they got their dog, they will be subject to criticism.
The internet is a great place to learn and we have a right to express our views. However, if we chase away people who might be able to share a thing or two about raising their animals or who might be interested in learning in a non-judgemental atmosphere, then we haven't accomplished a whole lot.
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Jesaroo
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
ssdbk.
i agree with you on all accounts actually.
and i know what you mean about Oscar. i had a similiar situation with Mia. she would have been dumped in a shelter a few days later, was malnurished, neglected & sick.
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MrsFlatbread
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Posted by Diane
It is YOUR opinion to say I didnt save him. He is now in a loving home,
Enough with YOUR opinions. This is MY opinion.
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Jesaroo
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Posted by MrsFlatbread
Posted by Diane
It is YOUR opinion to say I didnt save him. He is now in a loving home,
Enough with YOUR opinions. This is MY opinion.
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MrsFlatbread
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Re: spinoff to buy or adopt...... not trying to start drama
Posted by ThusSpokeLaLolita
Posted by MrsFlatbread
Posted by Diane
It is YOUR opinion to say I didnt save him. He is now in a loving home,
Enough with YOUR opinions. This is MY opinion.
shocker
so much for not starting drama...right???
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