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blu6385
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
Posted by blumachaya
The civilian population have choices not to allow Hamas to put rockets and missiles into their homes and stop believing Hamas when they tell parents Don't cry for your dead children they are martyred and heroes in gds eyes! Yes they have choices to stand up for peace so that no child gets killed on either side!!!
so you are saying that the civilian population can actually tell Hamas no sorry you cant put rockets and missiles in our home??
from they way everyone is describing Hamas in this thread and others it doesn't sound like they do.
again not saying who is wrong or right.
ETA: It does sound like Israel needs to protect themselves. It just seems that most feel the civilians have choices and it doesn't sound like they do. If they don't support Hamas it doesn't seem they can just leave.
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Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
A girl I went to high school with, but now lives in Israel, posted this on FB this morning.
I thought it was very appropriate for this thread. If she can see sympathy for both sides, why can't everyone else? At the end of the day, we are all human beings.
"My heart is breaking.
Everyone is suffering, regardless of what side of the border or the political map they are on.
The innocent Palestinian men, women and children killed- brings tears to my eyes.
The Israeli soldiers, who are only children, killed and wounded bring tears to my eyes.
The suffering of the Palestinians whose lives have been turned upside down brings tears to my eyes.
The suffering of the Israeli families who have endured 14 years of rockets bring tears to my eyes.
I live in Jerusalem and luckily we have only had 3 sirens here. And still, my 4 year old daughter knows what a siren is. She knows what it is to be woken up in the middle of the night and carried to the stairwell in our building. At daycare she was taught to walk calmly into the bomb shelter in case of a siren. I am wound up, constantly listening for the siren, constantly listening to the news.
Everything is quiet.
I am starting to run out of tears.
My heart is breaking."
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blumachaya
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Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
When I think of all the needless loss of life my heart breaks too! The sad part of what your saying most of the people in Gaza support Hamas
Despite the Hugh loss of life! If they didn't support them no Hamas wouldn't be able to use their children as humans shields! I just can't stop thinking if all the children on both sides who are suffering! HAMAS needs to be stopped before they distroy their own people!
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
Its painful to see all these civilians killed.
Painful and heartbreaking. I cry at the loss of all the innocent victims in Gaza.
Its heartbreaking to see the Palestinian people have put people in power that have very little regard for their peoples lives.
At this point I don't think Israel is going to let up at all until they have most (if not all) all the tunnels destroyed.
Israel's survival is at stake. I don't blame them for invading Gaza to defend themselves. I don't blame them for bombing schools......Hamas has given them no choice and no alternative.
Hamas has brought this down on THEIR people. They are cowards that care more about killing Jews than taking care of their people.
I think we can all agree we are disgusted with the fighting, with the dead kids...with it all.
But. It wont stop until Hamas puts down their weapons, and more importantly, the tunnels are destroyed.
And there is a reason that Egypt has a blockade on Gaza as well. If we talk about the Israeli blockade, it HAS to be in the same breath of the Egyptian blockade as well.
And should we discuss the kidnapping of the Israeli solder that happened today? I can ASSURE you the IDF is going to stop at NOTHING to get that soldier back.
SO I still back Israel.
And look. WE are crying for the innocent victims, i'm not sure Hamas is......
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
Posted by ohbaby08
A girl I went to high school with, but now lives in Israel, posted this on FB this morning.
I thought it was very appropriate for this thread. If she can see sympathy for both sides, why can't everyone else? At the end of the day, we are all human beings.
"My heart is breaking.
Everyone is suffering, regardless of what side of the border or the political map they are on.
The innocent Palestinian men, women and children killed- brings tears to my eyes.
The Israeli soldiers, who are only children, killed and wounded bring tears to my eyes.
The suffering of the Palestinians whose lives have been turned upside down brings tears to my eyes.
The suffering of the Israeli families who have endured 14 years of rockets bring tears to my eyes.
I live in Jerusalem and luckily we have only had 3 sirens here. And still, my 4 year old daughter knows what a siren is. She knows what it is to be woken up in the middle of the night and carried to the stairwell in our building. At daycare she was taught to walk calmly into the bomb shelter in case of a siren. I am wound up, constantly listening for the siren, constantly listening to the news.
Everything is quiet.
I am starting to run out of tears.
My heart is breaking."
this gave me chills
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blumachaya
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Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
So well said!!!
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blumachaya
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Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
So well said!!!
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
Posted by Paramount
Its painful to see all these civilians killed.
Painful and heartbreaking. I cry at the loss of all the innocent victims in Gaza.
Its heartbreaking to see the Palestinian people have put people in power that have very little regard for their peoples lives.
At this point I don't think Israel is going to let up at all until they have most (if not all) all the tunnels destroyed.
Israel's survival is at stake. I don't blame them for invading Gaza to defend themselves. I don't blame them for bombing schools......Hamas has given them no choice and no alternative.
Hamas has brought this down on THEIR people. They are cowards that care more about killing Jews than taking care of their people.
I think we can all agree we are disgusted with the fighting, with the dead kids...with it all.
But. It wont stop until Hamas puts down their weapons, and more importantly, the tunnels are destroyed.
And there is a reason that Egypt has a blockade on Gaza as well. If we talk about the Israeli blockade, it HAS to be in the same breath of the Egyptian blockade as well.
And should we discuss the kidnapping of the Israeli solder that happened today? I can ASSURE you the IDF is going to stop at NOTHING to get that soldier back.
SO I still back Israel.
And look. WE are crying for the innocent victims, i'm not sure Hamas is......
 very well said.
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blumachaya
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Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
If they cared anything about their own people they would have never started this horrible war!
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MichLiz213
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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Question to those of you who believe the people in Gaza are innocent and have no choice. .. why then are there videos of these same people teaching their children to hate Jews, videos of cartoons teaching children to hate jews and people dancing in the streets when Jews are murdered?
. Exactly. I'd be happy to post dozens of children's videos ( Palestinian Sesame Street ) actively encouraging children to kill jews and die a martyr's death That doesn't mean that everyone in Gaza agrees with this ,but it would be naive to argue that there isn't a cultural bias towards martrydom and hatred.
Wait, Sesame Street? As in Children's Television Workshop/ Jim Henson Sesame Street?
Not to veer the topic, but I did a whole research project on Sesame Street in other countries for my Masters (I have an Elementary Education degree) And the CTW actually depicts Israeli and Palestinian children getting along. In fact they depicted two children picking a can up off the side of the road to plant a flower in together and had to stop showing that particular video because they were afraid children would pick garbage up off the side of the road and there would be bombs in them. I'm sure there's tons of propaganda thrown in, but I'm also sure the people there don't have a choice for what is broadcast on their televisions, including children's programming.
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MrsA1012
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Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
Not actual sesame street, but a similar type of show clearly geared towards children.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
Posted by MrsA1012
Not actual sesame street, but a similar type of show clearly geared towards children.
Here is an Example
And Another example it's horrible at the end starting around 3:40
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ohbaby08
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
Posted by blumachaya
When I think of all the needless loss of life my heart breaks too! The sad part of what your saying most of the people in Gaza support Hamas
Despite the Hugh loss of life! If they didn't support them no Hamas wouldn't be able to use their children as humans shields! I just can't stop thinking if all the children on both sides who are suffering! HAMAS needs to be stopped before they distroy their own people!
Hamas has guns, power, money, etc. I don't think the people stand a chance if they all stood up and told Hamas to eff off. They would just slaughter them. So, it isn't as easy as saying they should just stop supporting Hamas. I would like to believe that a lot of people don't agree with Hamas, but are sure as hell not going to voice their opinions.
I also don't think standing up to them would stop them from using children as human shields. They would just do it anyway.
I take no sides in this conflict, but it bugs me when people act like it would be a piece of cake for the palestinian people to take a stand against Hamas and that's all it would take to end the fighting.
I also just heard before that Hamas might not even be in control of a lot of the militant groups that are fighting. So, nothing would change with them even if, by some miracle, Hamas was overthrown.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5452898
What I think is main reason of this "new" conflict. It's often brushed off but can't be denied.
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MichLiz213
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Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
But there's a big difference between propaganda and me turning on PBS for my son is my point, which is what the "Palestinian Sesame Street" label made it sound like. And they're still CHILDREN. Maybe it's because I'm on the outside looking in, maybe because I work with children, but in my opinion, at the end of the day regardless of where they are, they're still babies. Whether they're in Israel, or Palestine, I'm sure these children are very frightened and see horrors on a daily basis that I can only imagine in my worst nightmares . A six-year-old does not deserve to have their limbs blown off because his or her parents showed them propaganda puppet shows, because I'm sure the mindset becomes that these children are indoctrinated and a lost cause. And to me that's heartbreaking.
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MrsA1012
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Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
Right, but these shows are children's shows laced with propaganda. You cannot separate the two. I agree with the rest of your points though. The deaths of any children is horrifying.
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blumachaya
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Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
But it's not the children at fault it's the parents who use their own children as a ticket to heaven. They firmly believe that they gave birth so that their child can be sacrificed for their cause. It's so hard for me to believe! I always was taught that you give your life for your child to live, grow, and prosper that's what this country and every other democracy is about. I pray for all these innocent children for them to be able to live a life free from all wars!
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
Posted by blumachaya
But it's not the children at fault it's the parents who use their own children as a ticket to heaven. They firmly believe that they gave birth so that their child can be sacrificed for their cause. It's so hard for me to believe! I always was taught that you give your life for your child to live, grow, and prosper that's what this country and every other democracy is about. I pray for all these innocent children for them to be able to live a life free from all wars!
What? 
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MrsA1012
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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Posted by blumachaya
But it's not the children at fault it's the parents who use their own children as a ticket to heaven. They firmly believe that they gave birth so that their child can be sacrificed for their cause. It's so hard for me to believe! I always was taught that you give your life for your child to live, grow, and prosper that's what this country and every other democracy is about. I pray for all these innocent children for them to be able to live a life free from all wars!
What?
I think she is saying that the culture glorifies martyrs and martyrdom, so many Gazian parents might not the view the loss of a child the way that other cultures do. Edited for spelling because I can't type on my ipad !
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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Posted by blumachaya
But it's not the children at fault it's the parents who use their own children as a ticket to heaven. They firmly believe that they gave birth so that their child can be sacrificed for their cause. It's so hard for me to believe! I always was taught that you give your life for your child to live, grow, and prosper that's what this country and every other democracy is about. I pray for all these innocent children for them to be able to live a life free from all wars!
What?
I think she is saying that the culture glorifies martyrs and martyrdom, so many Gazian parents might not the view the loss of a child the way that other cultures do. Edited for spelling because I can't type on my ipad !
SeeVideo 1
Video 2 Video 3
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MrsA1012
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by blumachaya
But it's not the children at fault it's the parents who use their own children as a ticket to heaven. They firmly believe that they gave birth so that their child can be sacrificed for their cause. It's so hard for me to believe! I always was taught that you give your life for your child to live, grow, and prosper that's what this country and every other democracy is about. I pray for all these innocent children for them to be able to live a life free from all wars!
What?
I think she is saying that the culture glorifies martyrs and martyrdom, so many Gazian parents might not the view the loss of a child the way that other cultures do. Edited for spelling because I can't type on my ipad !
SeeVideo 1
Video 2 Video 3
Thanks , these videos said it better than I ever could. The one with the mom is particularly disturbing.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
But because there are some parents in Gaza who are OK with their kids being martyrs does it some how make Israel not responsible for the deaths of over 200 children?? I'm just trying to understand the thought process here.
I'll say it again, Hamas only won 44% of the vote. So that means that 56% of the population did not vote for them. Meaning at least 56% of the population didn't ask for this.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
I don't want to get involved in another thread the way I did last time. I'm trying to approach discussions like these calmly and rationally.
I think the majority of Palestinian citizens are terrorized by Hamas. New reports are saying that Hamas is executing people who speak up against them, and forcibly making people stay when they are told to evacuate. That is unconscionable and unbelievable.
But, I truly mean this - what is Israel supposed to do? Hamas controls Gaza. If Israel lays down her weapons Hamas will not. Their mandate is to kill Jews and destroy Israel. What is Israel to do? There is no other option but to keep fighting so long as Hamas is in power. Or else Israel is not protecting its citizens.
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buttercup
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
The video with the mom is older than the date claimed..I have seen it before..and for the other two, the sources are too biased for me to accept it fully. Sorry.
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MrsA1012
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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But because there are some parents in Gaza who are OK with their kids being martyrs does it some how make Israel not responsible for the deaths of over 200 children?? I'm just trying to understand the thought process here.
I'll say it again, Hamas only won 44% of the vote. So that means that 56% of the population did not vote for them. Meaning at least 56% of the population didn't ask for this.
My heart breaks for the people who don't support Hamas and are terrorized. The difference in our views is that I blame Hamas for their suffering NOT Israel. Of course I think that Israel should do all they can to reduce civilian casualties and be judicious in their use of force, but they are in an impossible situation. This is war and they are defending themselves. Civilian deaths are inevitable.
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