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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
Posted by MandJZ
I don't want to get involved in another thread the way I did last time. I'm trying to approach discussions like these calmly and rationally.
I think the majority of Palestinian citizens are terrorized by Hamas. New reports are saying that Hamas is executing people who speak up against them, and forcibly making people stay when they are told to evacuate. That is unconscionable and unbelievable.
But, I truly mean this - what is Israel supposed to do? Hamas controls Gaza. If Israel lays down her weapons Hamas will not. Their mandate is to kill Jews and destroy Israel. What is Israel to do? There is no other option but to keep fighting so long as Hamas is in power. Or else Israel is not protecting its citizens.
I have no idea. This is all true. All true and it's so so so awful..very well said, Meredith ..Do you think this will ever end? Do you are anyone else know when there is sup posed to be another election in Gaza that would hopefully open and clean??
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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The video with the mom is older than the date claimed..I have seen it before..and for the other two, the sources are too biased for me to accept it fully. Sorry.
I think you are being disingenuous to not acknowledge the culture around martyrdom that exists. There are SO many sources that are not doctored that delineate the belief system. Video 1 does come from a pro Israeli source, but it is just a translation of a Hamas recording. That seems pretty factual to me and there are many more like it. Read Hamas's charter. It is pretty straightforward.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
Posted by buttercup
The video with the mom is older than the date claimed..I have seen it before..and for the other two, the sources are too biased for me to accept it fully. Sorry.
I kinda agree. We should all try to stay away from extremely biased or inflammatory sources. I could (if I tried) find videos like this from both sides.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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I don't want to get involved in another thread the way I did last time. I'm trying to approach discussions like these calmly and rationally.
I think the majority of Palestinian citizens are terrorized by Hamas. New reports are saying that Hamas is executing people who speak up against them, and forcibly making people stay when they are told to evacuate. That is unconscionable and unbelievable.
But, I truly mean this - what is Israel supposed to do? Hamas controls Gaza. If Israel lays down her weapons Hamas will not. Their mandate is to kill Jews and destroy Israel. What is Israel to do? There is no other option but to keep fighting so long as Hamas is in power. Or else Israel is not protecting its citizens.
I have no idea. This is all true. All true and it's so so so awful..very well said, Meredith ..Do you think this will ever end? Do you are anyone else know when there is sup posed to be another election in Gaza that would hopefully open and clean??
I don't think there is an election scheduled. The area is not a true democracy, and I don't think Hamas is allowing for another election at this point.
I think THIS ARTICLE is informative and fairly unbiased on that topic.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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Posted by MandJZ
I don't want to get involved in another thread the way I did last time. I'm trying to approach discussions like these calmly and rationally.
I think the majority of Palestinian citizens are terrorized by Hamas. New reports are saying that Hamas is executing people who speak up against them, and forcibly making people stay when they are told to evacuate. That is unconscionable and unbelievable.
But, I truly mean this - what is Israel supposed to do? Hamas controls Gaza. If Israel lays down her weapons Hamas will not. Their mandate is to kill Jews and destroy Israel. What is Israel to do? There is no other option but to keep fighting so long as Hamas is in power. Or else Israel is not protecting its citizens.
I have no idea. This is all true. All true and it's so so so awful..very well said, Meredith ..Do you think this will ever end? Do you are anyone else know when there is sup posed to be another election in Gaza that would hopefully open and clean??
It is very sad to say, but I doubt there will be a fair and clean election there ever. We are looking at this with western minds. This is not a part of the world that you can apply democratic concepts to. Look at Syria and Iran and Iraq and Lebanon. The leaders are totalitarians and despots.
The world has been silent on what has been happening with the Arab on Arab violence where hundreds of thousands of people were murdered by their fellow Arabs and most recently on the expulsion of Christians from many towns in Syria by Islamists. Where is all the outrage?
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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I don't want to get involved in another thread the way I did last time. I'm trying to approach discussions like these calmly and rationally.
I think the majority of Palestinian citizens are terrorized by Hamas. New reports are saying that Hamas is executing people who speak up against them, and forcibly making people stay when they are told to evacuate. That is unconscionable and unbelievable.
But, I truly mean this - what is Israel supposed to do? Hamas controls Gaza. If Israel lays down her weapons Hamas will not. Their mandate is to kill Jews and destroy Israel. What is Israel to do? There is no other option but to keep fighting so long as Hamas is in power. Or else Israel is not protecting its citizens.
I have no idea. This is all true. All true and it's so so so awful..very well said, Meredith ..Do you think this will ever end? Do you are anyone else know when there is sup posed to be another election in Gaza that would hopefully open and clean??
I don't think there is an election scheduled. The area is not a true democracy, and I don't think Hamas is allowing for another election at this point.
I think THIS ARTICLE is informative and fairly unbiased on that topic.
Really well written article with great info. Thank you!
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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The video with the mom is older than the date claimed..I have seen it before..and for the other two, the sources are too biased for me to accept it fully. Sorry.
I think you are being disingenuous to not acknowledge the culture around martyrdom that exists. There are SO many sources that are not doctored that delineate the belief system. Video 1 does come from a pro Israeli source, but it is just a translation of a Hamas recording. That seems pretty factual to me and there are many more like it. Read Hamas's charter. It is pretty straightforward.
I'm not saying that Hamas does not misquote the Quran to sell whatever crap they believe in. I know very well the story for paradise and 72 virgins and all that jazz but non Hamas Palestinians that are fighting are fighting a different battle..they want a better life for their children, they want to live a normal life. I felt the video portrayed all Palestinians in a negative light, because of every idiot Hamas their are twice as many citizens who want this stop.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
However, one point I do want to make on an earlier post. It was mentioned that Israel attacked humanitarian aid sent from surrounding Muslim countries. These convoys have been targeted by the IDF because they have been used to smuggle weapons to Hamas. That no longer happens with aid from Egypt because the Muslim Brotherhood is no longer in power, which is also why Egypt closed its borders to Gazans.
I was speaking with someone who pointed out something interesting. This conflict started shortly after Egypt closed its borders and stopped aiding Hamas. Hamas knew that they needed to do something to gain sympathy and support from the international community, but they can't attack Egypt because Egypt would not bat an eye before wiping them out. So they engage Israel in fighting, knowing that the international community will be watching closely.
This conflict has far, far fewer civilian casualties than a number of other CURRENT and ongoing conflicts around the world, but it garners MUCH more attention and outcry. Don't get me wrong. one civilian death is too many, especially children. But there does seem to be a double standard when it comes to Israel/Palestine in comparison to other countries and conflicts.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
Also, it will be very difficult to find a "non-biased" source bc the mainstream media doesn't report down the middle.
Reporters in Gaza are threatened if they report news or photos, etc of actual footage.
There was news from an Italian reporter who left Gaza so he could report what he saw when Hamas rockets blew up the un school and not the idf.
Mainstream media did not carry his report.
I will post the link if anyone wants to see it.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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The video with the mom is older than the date claimed..I have seen it before..and for the other two, the sources are too biased for me to accept it fully. Sorry.
I think you are being disingenuous to not acknowledge the culture around martyrdom that exists. There are SO many sources that are not doctored that delineate the belief system. Video 1 does come from a pro Israeli source, but it is just a translation of a Hamas recording. That seems pretty factual to me and there are many more like it. Read Hamas's charter. It is pretty straightforward.
I'm not saying that Hamas does not misquote the Quran to sell whatever crap they believe in. I know very well the story for paradise and 72 virgins and all that jazz but non Hamas Palestinians that are fighting are fighting a different battle..they want a better life for their children, they want to live a normal life. I felt the video portrayed all Palestinians in a negative light, because of every idiot Hamas their are twice as many citizens who want this stop.
Of course every Palestinian doesn't feel this way, but when your leadership, your media, your TV shows ALL present a certain point of view I have to believe that is a reflection of some of the population's perspective too. It is naive to think otherwise.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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Posted by MandJZ
I don't want to get involved in another thread the way I did last time. I'm trying to approach discussions like these calmly and rationally.
I think the majority of Palestinian citizens are terrorized by Hamas. New reports are saying that Hamas is executing people who speak up against them, and forcibly making people stay when they are told to evacuate. That is unconscionable and unbelievable.
But, I truly mean this - what is Israel supposed to do? Hamas controls Gaza. If Israel lays down her weapons Hamas will not. Their mandate is to kill Jews and destroy Israel. What is Israel to do? There is no other option but to keep fighting so long as Hamas is in power. Or else Israel is not protecting its citizens.
I have no idea. This is all true. All true and it's so so so awful..very well said, Meredith ..Do you think this will ever end? Do you are anyone else know when there is sup posed to be another election in Gaza that would hopefully open and clean??
It is very sad to say, but I doubt there will be a fair and clean election there ever. We are looking at this with western minds. This is not a part of the world that you can apply democratic concepts to. Look at Syria and Iran and Iraq and Lebanon. The leaders are totalitarians and despots.
The world has been silent on what has been happening with the Arab on Arab violence where hundreds of thousands of people were murdered by their fellow Arabs and most recently on the expulsion of Christians from many towns in Syria by Islamists. Where is all the outrage?
I've been raging for the past year or so regarding our lack of interest in helping the Syrians. All I can think about it how we abandoned the Rwandans and how that turned out
I think the reason this is getting more press (at least at the moment) is because the US has a large political, social and economic stake in Israel and how it conducts itself.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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Also, it will be very difficult to find a "non-biased" source bc the mainstream media doesn't report down the middle.
Reporters in Gaza are threatened if they report news or photos, etc of actual footage.
There was news from an Italian reporter who left Gaza so he could report what he saw when Hamas rockets blew up the un school and not the idf.
Mainstream media did not carry his report.
I will post the link if anyone wants to see it.
I have to disagree. I've seen some very balanced reporting from NPR/WNYC and the BBC specifically. You have to search for it, but it is out there.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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Posted by evnme
Also, it will be very difficult to find a "non-biased" source bc the mainstream media doesn't report down the middle.
Reporters in Gaza are threatened if they report news or photos, etc of actual footage.
There was news from an Italian reporter who left Gaza so he could report what he saw when Hamas rockets blew up the un school and not the idf.
Mainstream media did not carry his report.
I will post the link if anyone wants to see it.
I have to disagree. I've seen some very balanced reporting from NPR/WNYC and the BBC specifically. You have to search for it, but it is out there.
I think evnme's point was that it's problematic that we have to 'search for' balanced reporting. The major networks are all heavily skewed one way or another. The bias is clear on every major network news broadcast I watch, and right now believe me I watch many.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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The video with the mom is older than the date claimed..I have seen it before..and for the other two, the sources are too biased for me to accept it fully. Sorry.
I think you are being disingenuous to not acknowledge the culture around martyrdom that exists. There are SO many sources that are not doctored that delineate the belief system. Video 1 does come from a pro Israeli source, but it is just a translation of a Hamas recording. That seems pretty factual to me and there are many more like it. Read Hamas's charter. It is pretty straightforward.
I'm not saying that Hamas does not misquote the Quran to sell whatever crap they believe in. I know very well the story for paradise and 72 virgins and all that jazz but non Hamas Palestinians that are fighting are fighting a different battle..they want a better life for their children, they want to live a normal life. I felt the video portrayed all Palestinians in a negative light, because of every idiot Hamas their are twice as many citizens who want this stop.
Of course every Palestinian doesn't feel this way, but when your leadership, your media, your TV shows ALL present a certain point of view I have to believe that is a reflection of some of the population's perspective too. It is naive to think otherwise.
So if I start posting videos of 8 year old and 9 year olds brutally attacked by idf, women being slapped and hijab ripped off by them, and quote idiots like a ayelet Shaked it would echo the sentiment of how every israeli feels. I don't think so.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
I also want to add, that one of the scariest parts of this conflict to me is the violence that is spreading around the world.
In Europe, notably Paris, demonstrations that blockaded Jews into a place of worship and turned violent. In my own hometown of Toronto, anti-semitic graffiti on bus stops. Elsewhere in Canada, Jews were attacked at a pro-Israel rally. My cousin is an orthodox Jew, very observant. He is Israeli but was in France on business. He had to take off his kippah (yarmulke) out of fear for his safety.
That is not okay. It is not. Though I do not think it is always true, and I aim to not make generalizations, more and more right now the fact is that anti-zionism is either the same as, or is inspiring, anti-semitism.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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Posted by evnme
Also, it will be very difficult to find a "non-biased" source bc the mainstream media doesn't report down the middle.
Reporters in Gaza are threatened if they report news or photos, etc of actual footage.
There was news from an Italian reporter who left Gaza so he could report what he saw when Hamas rockets blew up the un school and not the idf.
Mainstream media did not carry his report.
I will post the link if anyone wants to see it.
I have to disagree. I've seen some very balanced reporting from NPR/WNYC and the BBC specifically. You have to search for it, but it is out there.
The issue is that we shouldn't have to search for it. It should be out there in plain sight.
There was also no national news on the Miami synagogue or the Israeli bank in NYC that were vandalized last week. Or on the students in Chicago that were subjected to extreme anti-semitism in June. There was barely any local news either.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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Posted by evnme
Also, it will be very difficult to find a "non-biased" source bc the mainstream media doesn't report down the middle.
Reporters in Gaza are threatened if they report news or photos, etc of actual footage.
There was news from an Italian reporter who left Gaza so he could report what he saw when Hamas rockets blew up the un school and not the idf.
Mainstream media did not carry his report.
I will post the link if anyone wants to see it.
I have to disagree. I've seen some very balanced reporting from NPR/WNYC and the BBC specifically. You have to search for it, but it is out there.
Agreed, there is a 45 video done four corners which is an Aussie company and it regarded highly.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
Posted by MandJZ
I also want to add, that one of the scariest parts of this conflict to me is the violence that is spreading around the world.
In Europe, notably Paris, demonstrations that blockaded Jews into a place of worship and turned violent. In my own hometown of Toronto, anti-semitic graffiti on bus stops. Elsewhere in Canada, Jews were attacked at a pro-Israel rally. My cousin is an orthodox Jew, very observant. He is Israeli but was in France on business. He had to take off his kippah (yarmulke) out of fear for his safety.
That is not okay. It is not. Though I do not think it is always true, and I aim to not make generalizations, more and more right now the fact is that anti-zionism is either the same as, or is inspiring, anti-semitism.
That's pathetic. I'm so sorry.. I know how hard it is to live in fear because of your religion. My family left for a similar reason. Hoping all this will pass quickly .
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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The video with the mom is older than the date claimed..I have seen it before..and for the other two, the sources are too biased for me to accept it fully. Sorry.
I think you are being disingenuous to not acknowledge the culture around martyrdom that exists. There are SO many sources that are not doctored that delineate the belief system. Video 1 does come from a pro Israeli source, but it is just a translation of a Hamas recording. That seems pretty factual to me and there are many more like it. Read Hamas's charter. It is pretty straightforward.
I'm not saying that Hamas does not misquote the Quran to sell whatever crap they believe in. I know very well the story for paradise and 72 virgins and all that jazz but non Hamas Palestinians that are fighting are fighting a different battle..they want a better life for their children, they want to live a normal life. I felt the video portrayed all Palestinians in a negative light, because of every idiot Hamas their are twice as many citizens who want this stop.
Of course every Palestinian doesn't feel this way, but when your leadership, your media, your TV shows ALL present a certain point of view I have to believe that is a reflection of some of the population's perspective too. It is naive to think otherwise.
So if I start posting videos of 8 year old and 9 year olds brutally attacked by idf, women being slapped and hijab ripped off by them, and quote idiots like a ayelet Shaked it would echo the sentiment of how every israeli feels. I don't think so.
No, it wouldn't. However, if you posted videos of Israeli's prime minister calling for the deaths of all Palestinians, videos of Israeli children's shows calling for the murder of Palestinians and told me that 44 percent of Israelis voted for a government that calls for the complete destruction of Palestinians I would have to conclude that some portion of the Israeli population agreed with these ideas. Eta: much in the same way Fox News loosely represents some of the beliefs of republicans and MSNBC loosely represents some liberal / democratic beliefs.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
Posted by MandJZ
I also want to add, that one of the scariest parts of this conflict to me is the violence that is spreading around the world.
In Europe, notably Paris, demonstrations that blockaded Jews into a place of worship and turned violent. In my own hometown of Toronto, anti-semitic graffiti on bus stops. Elsewhere in Canada, Jews were attacked at a pro-Israel rally. My cousin is an orthodox Jew, very observant. He is Israeli but was in France on business. He had to take off his kippah (yarmulke) out of fear for his safety.
That is not okay. It is not. Though I do not think it is always true, and I aim to not make generalizations, more and more right now the fact is that anti-zionism is either the same as, or is inspiring, anti-semitism.
I'm sorry that happened to your cousin. That is truly awful and disgusting that he felt the need to remove such a personal symbol of his faith. I agree, what's going on in Europe is disturbing. I'm glad it's been getting a good deal of press here because that shit needs to be stopped. France, does have a crappy history of dealing with religious freedom. They're the ones that banned girls from wearing niqab (face veils) to schools. 
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
"We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."- Golda Meir
I saw this thread last night but wasn't going to comment. But this has really been bothering me. I'm Jewish and my parents and husband are Israeli. We are all heartbroken over the situation. My relatives and my husbands family are all over there. My husband and his 3 sisters all served in the army. My cousin was just recalled in, and I am worried about him. He just had a baby, and the only Israeli deaths have been military. Not because they are not bombing civilian areas, because the Israelis are protecting themselves. I see face books posts from my American and European friends who now live in Israel posting about the bomb shelters and trying to keep their babies calm during all this. But it is the life every Israeli knows. My dad had his own stories of bombs going off by his home in the 50's. It is just the reality of living in Israel.
The Israelis are saving their people but losing the public relations war. Hamas is doing the opposite. Did you know that Israel drops leaflets in use areas they are going to bomb so the civilians will leave. Israel reveals it's military plans to try to limit civilian deaths. But Hamas forbids people from leaving. Hamas puts their weapons is schools so when the Israelis attack the bombs civilians are killed. There is not an Israeli I know that isn't saddened by the civilian deaths, especially the women and children. But when Hamas is using civilians as human shields, civilian deaths will happen. They believe that the civilian deaths will be a "holy" death and help them win the PR war.
Jews don't believe in a holy death. We believe in the sanctity of life. Israel traded over 1000 prisoners to save 1 soldiers life. That is how much we value life. Except for bid laden and Hussein, none of the Israelis I've known have ever celebrated the death of "the enemy." And they don't hate Muslims- just those who want to harm us.
I don't know how many of you have been to Israel, I've been there a lot. Normally, in the major cities the Jews, Muslims and Christians live together in peace. It's the fringes like gaza is where all this hatred is. My in laws Muslim neighbors don't like this. They live better in Israel than in lots of other places. Look at Syria and Iraq. Thousands of deaths, poverty, no education, no health care. but it's not at her hands if Israelis. Where is the outrage in that??? Look at Africa- killing people for not converting to Islam. Is that in the news?
Hamas's mission is the destruction of Israel. They don't want a 2 state solution. They was the Israelis gone. How on earth can you have peace with someone who doesn't recognize your right to exist? I pray for peace, but with Hamas teaching hatred to children, it won't be this or the next generation.
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
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"We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."- Golda Meir
I saw this thread last night but wasn't going to comment. But this has really been bothering me. I'm Jewish and my parents and husband are Israeli. We are all heartbroken over the situation. My relatives and my husbands family are all over there. My husband and his 3 sisters all served in the army. My cousin was just recalled in, and I am worried about him. He just had a baby, and the only Israeli deaths have been military. Not because they are not bombing civilian areas, because the Israelis are protecting themselves. I see face books posts from my American and European friends who now live in Israel posting about the bomb shelters and trying to keep their babies calm during all this. But it is the life every Israeli knows. My dad had his own stories of bombs going off by his home in the 50's. It is just the reality of living in Israel.
The Israelis are saving their people but losing the public relations war. Hamas is doing the opposite. Did you know that Israel drops leaflets in use areas they are going to bomb so the civilians will leave. Israel reveals it's military plans to try to limit civilian deaths. But Hamas forbids people from leaving. Hamas puts their weapons is schools so when the Israelis attack the bombs civilians are killed. There is not an Israeli I know that isn't saddened by the civilian deaths, especially the women and children. But when Hamas is using civilians as human shields, civilian deaths will happen. They believe that the civilian deaths will be a "holy" death and help them win the PR war.
Jews don't believe in a holy death. We believe in the sanctity of life. Israel traded over 1000 prisoners to save 1 soldiers life. That is how much we value life. Except for bid laden and Hussein, none of the Israelis I've known have ever celebrated the death of "the enemy." And they don't hate Muslims- just those who want to harm us.
I don't know how many of you have been to Israel, I've been there a lot. Normally, in the major cities the Jews, Muslims and Christians live together in peace. It's the fringes like gaza is where all this hatred is. My in laws Muslim neighbors don't like this. They live better in Israel than in lots of other places. Look at Syria and Iraq. Thousands of deaths, poverty, no education, no health care. but it's not at her hands if Israelis. Where is the outrage in that??? Look at Africa- killing people for not converting to Islam. Is that in the news?
Hamas's mission is the destruction of Israel. They don't want a 2 state solution. They was the Israelis gone. How on earth can you have peace with someone who doesn't recognize your right to exist? I pray for peace, but with Hamas teaching hatred to children, it won't be this or the next generation.
Well said!! I will always be pro Israel, she is a small country ALWAYS fighting to stay alive. It is sad how Israel always loses in the public relations fight, they do value life over hatred. The news only shows the lives Israeli's have taken but never the other way around. Has anyone ever noticed how you never see Israelis carrying dead relatives in the streets? Why? Many countries kill each other and its not in the news nor are sides and opinion's given. Northern Ireland for decades has been killing each other, over what.
I will support an defend Israel.
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blumachaya
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
It makes me so mad to read of Israeli soldiers killing kids on a beach or killing women and children. Israeli soldiers are trained to value life. The soldiers are just kids themselves! If kids are killed its Hamas who want more killed so that they can show the world how horrible Israel is. It so so sad and horrible that people have to live under a government that seeks to use their lives to further their ambitions of ruling the world under one religion theirs!
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Shhh2232
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Re: Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
It's not a massacre, it's a genocide. Hamas agreed to a 10 year cease fire if Israel lifted the blockade. The Israeli Government controls food, water, medicine that goes into Palestine. How is that fair? And as far as the Palestinians rebelling against their government why would they want to support a government that is killing their children by the THOUSANDS.
Here are their requests:
Withdrawal of Israeli tanks from the Gaza border.
Freeing all the prisoners that were arrested after the killing of the three youths.
Lifting the siege and opening the border crossings to commerce and people.
Establishing an international seaport and airport which would be under U.N. supervision.
Increasing the permitted fishing zone to 10 kilometers.
Internationalizing the Rafah Crossing and placing it under the supervision of the U.N. and some Arab nations.
International forces on the borders.
Easing conditions for permits to pray at the Al Aqsa Mosque.
Prohibition on Israeli interference in the reconciliation agreement.
Reestablishing an industrial zone and improvements in further economic development in the Gaza Strip.
Message edited 8/3/2014 8:15:00 PM.
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blumachaya
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Spinoff to Israel/Palestine thread from last week...
Why in the world would Israel agree to
Opening the borders and easing conditions for bringing in food and othe humanitarian aid? When Hamas is calling for the total distruction if the state of Israel and the death of every Jew who lives in Israel ! Along with the food and water came guns and bombs cement that was used to build tunnels to murder civilians. There would not be one more death on either side if Hamas would truly want peace and truly care enough to feed their own people. There would be no need for any blockade if Hamas would truly be a partner in peace with the state of Israel The need for tighter restrictions will have to be put in place. It's a scenario that Hamas totally created.
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