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Re: Texas
Posted by NervousNell
What I didn't realize until I got pregnant was how the dating worked.
Like the day you conceive you are considered 2 weeks pregnant.
The day you miss your period you are already 4 weeks along.
I kept arguing with the doctor about when I should be due. I was like- I KNOW THE EXACT DAY I CONCEIVED.
He laughed at me. LOL
I know - I actually hate the dating. Like how can you be 4 weeks pregnant when the baby was only conceived two weeks ago. It makes absolutely no sense. Especially since I typically ovulate on day 20 or 21. Then when my period is a day late at day 30 I am not 4 weeks pregnant and I only conceived a week and a half ago....
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Re: Texas
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Are we all only allowed to have 1 home in life? 
You are only allowed one home. Preferably one with a library...
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Re: Texas
Posted by lululu
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Are we all only allowed to have 1 home in life?
You are only allowed one home. Preferably one with a library...
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Are we all only allowed to have 1 home in life?
You are only allowed one home. Preferably one with a library...
Well I am half way there
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Re: Texas
I was going to stay out of this debate as I am pro-choice and feel very strongly about a woman's right to choose in EVERY situation but I wanted to add this as I have not seen it mentioned. (unless I missed it)
When the topic of abortions is raised inevitably MOST people jump right to the "abortions as contraception" argument. While I will not argue than some women use an abortion for that reason it's imperative to understand that there are COUNTLESS women who must terminate pregnancies (well into their pregnancy sometimes) for a myriad of medical reasons and more than anything, that is why abortions must be safe and legal ALWAYS.
In between conceiving my DD and my DS I had three miscarriages, two of which I had to terminate and one I had to terminate at over 13 weeks. Long story short, the embryos were not developing properly nor was my hcg rising. In one of those pregnancies the embryo was growing OUTSIDE of my uterus. If I did not terminate and that embryo continued to grow I would have died. I was NOT willing to risk my own life for a pregnancy that wasn't going to be viable no matter how far along I was.
I have a very good friend who had to terminate at around 24-26 weeks. The baby had only one kidney and that one kidney was malformed and not functioning so if she carried to term, the baby would have died shortly thereafter. She did not want to go through an entire pregnancy only to have her baby die in her arms after birth so she terminated. It was an agonizing decision to have to make.
Whether the pregnancy is a "cluster of cells", a small embryo, a fetus or has a heartbeat there are many, many instances where a pregnancy goes south and a woman MUST have the legal right to make medical decisions for herself and if needed, obtain a safe and legal abortion. I cannot even imagine if I lived in TX under this archaic law where once they detect a HB at 6 weeks that's it, you cannot terminate. What on earth would that mean for women who are in a similar situation to me where it's my life or a developing embryo's "life" that isn't viable?
This TX law is abhorrent on EVERY level and I cannot believe that there is anyone alive on this planet that would champion such a backwards step as well as a BLATANT disregard for Roe v. Wade which protects a woman's right to choose. I have no understanding of why the Supreme Court is just sitting back on this but I feel for any woman living in TX under this nonsense and I pray that none of them ever find themselves in the position of needing an abortion whether due to medical reasons, rape, or otherwise. The whole situation disgusts me. 
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Re: Texas
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Every day this country is becoming more like Gilead. Blessed be the Fruit.
It is just disgraceful.
It really is. I now heard other states are looking to pass the same bill. WTF is going on.
I really hope everyone who is saying their rights are being taken away regarding covid are just as pissed about this. Cause this bill is out of control!
On the flip side, anybody who is upset about this should be just as upset about vaccine mandates.
I don’t think you can compare the two exactly. I think people’s views on when life begins play into that.
This is something I have always found interesting. It is fine to say that safe and accessible abortions might be necessary to our society, but I think it's strange to say that life doesn't begin at conception with all we know now through science. Obviously the life of the fetus depends on the life of the mother as well, but the fetus is clearly a living thing. Women's rights and the right to not want to host that life in your body is a different argument. So my point is, if it is against my rights to not want to have a fetus in body (one which by the way I most likely played a part in putting there in the first place) then certainly it is within my rights to not have to put a vaccine in my body.
I’m not really interested in a pro-life/choice debate, and I get what you are saying.
Deciding in what is viable is the issue of concern. It is within my rights to decide what is done with my body with regards to public health. If something is in my body (to me a ball of cells) that I do not want, it affects no one. If if I decide not to get a vaccine, then that affects public health to some degree (viral load, the public health Systeme, etc.).
And from there, I see a difference.
If you do any research you will see that even at the 6 week mark, a fetus is not just a ball of cells. I understand that you have never had children or undergone fertility treatments so perhaps that is what gives you the impression that it is just a ball of cells but I can assure you past the first few of weeks it is actually much more than that. I am just speaking scientifically. Once it moves past the blastocyst stage it's really no longer a "ball of cells" and that occurs at around 3 weeks after fertilization.
As for the public health issue - I think that you can go so far as to require people to wear masks, require people to quarantine and require people to test for diseases however I do not believe that people should be forced to inject something into their body that they are not comfortable with because of a public health issue.
Like I said, I’m not getting into the pro-life/choice debate with you. I am well aware of how things work and don’t need a biology lesson from you. And last I checked you weren’t involved in my sex life and aren’t my OB/GYN. 
Never suggested you were, just pointing out that you sound extremely ignorant when referring to a fetus as a "ball of cells." Educate yourself.
Not sure why you think I would want to be involved in your sex life. Where on earth did that come? Where did anything I write imply that I thought I was involved in your sex life?
I wrote viable in my original comment. I also wrote that I am not getting into a pro-life/choice debate. But instead you insist on pushing the matter.
A definition: “Three days after fertilization, a normally developing embryo will contain about six to 10 cells. By the fifth or sixth day, the fertilized egg is known as a blastocyst — a rapidly dividing ball of cells. The inner group of cells will become the embryo. The outer group will become the cells that nourish and protect it.”
If you want to get into whether it is a hollow ball of cells or whatever, then fine. Everything is a ball of cells. It doesn’t make it viable.
You commented that I seem to not have an idea because I do not “have children” or have not had fertility treatments. You know nothing about my medical history. Nothing.
Go debate from one of your numerous holiday homes.
I know based on things you have posted here that you have never had children. It's come up many many times. And again, perhaps in the first couple of weeks it is a ball of cells but after that it is not. you don't get an abortion within 3 weeks of conception typically. By the time you find our you are pregnant you are almost out of the stage where it is a ball of cells. I am not debating sh*t with you. It's not a debate, it's a fact.
Ha! love the holiday home comment! lol
My freaking cat is a ball of cells. That’s viable. That’s a fact. A ball of cells, whatever semantics you want to use, at 6 weeks is not viable. That’s a fact.
I know perfectly well how the dating of pregnancy works. I know some people may have irregular cycles of 60 days and that puts them at 8 weeks.
Read the room. This is a site full of mostly women. Did it ever occur to you that probably many here have had terminations (in the sense of the life was not viable, abuse, or their choice)? Did it? Meanwhile people on this thread are being incredibly insensitive to the struggle of others.
Stop talking down to me as if I don’t know about this topic. It’s funny so many say they know so much public information about someone, but it’s really not true.
Again it’s just women going against other women. And this thread is a perfect example of it.
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Re: Texas
Posted by Hofstra26
I was going to stay out of this debate as I am pro-choice and feel very strongly about a woman's right to choose in EVERY situation but I wanted to add this as I have not seen it mentioned. (unless I missed it)
When the topic of abortions is raised inevitably MOST people jump right to the "abortions as contraception" argument. While I will not argue than some women use an abortion for that reason it's imperative to understand that there are COUNTLESS women who must terminate pregnancies (well into their pregnancy sometimes) for a myriad of medical reasons and more than anything, that is why abortions must be safe and legal ALWAYS.
In between conceiving my DD and my DS I had three miscarriages, two of which I had to terminate and one I had to terminate at over 13 weeks. Long story short, the embryos were not developing properly nor was my hcg rising. In one of those pregnancies the embryo was growing OUTSIDE of my uterus. If I did not terminate and that embryo continued to grow I would have died. I was NOT willing to risk my own life for a pregnancy that wasn't going to be viable no matter how far along I was.
I have a very good friend who had to terminate at around 24-26 weeks. The baby had only one kidney and that one kidney was malformed and not functioning so if she carried to term, the baby would have died shortly thereafter. She did not want to go through an entire pregnancy only to have her baby die in her arms after birth so she terminated. It was an agonizing decision to have to make.
Whether the pregnancy is a "cluster of cells", a small embryo, a fetus or has a heartbeat there are many, many instances where a pregnancy goes south and a woman MUST have the legal right to make medical decisions for herself and if needed, obtain a safe and legal abortion. I cannot even imagine if I lived in TX under this archaic law where once they detect a HB at 6 weeks that's it, you cannot terminate. What on earth would that mean for women who are in a similar situation to me where it's my life or a developing embryo's "life" that isn't viable?
This TX law is abhorrent on EVERY level and I cannot believe that there is anyone alive on this planet that would champion such a backwards step as well as a BLATANT disregard for Roe v. Wade which protects a woman's right to choose. I have no understanding of why the Supreme Court is just sitting back on this but I feel for any woman living in TX under this nonsense and I pray that none of them ever find themselves in the position of needing an abortion whether due to medical reasons, rape, or otherwise. The whole situation disgusts me.
I think that most of the posters, if not all on this thread, have stated that they are pro choice. I agree that it is completely necessary to have safe, legal and accessible abortions. However, that does not mean that we can't all engage in an intelligent discussion about the morality, legal aspects, etc that are intertwined in the abortion debate. However, the second another point of view is raised people start to attack and accuse people of spreading misinformation, just because that information might not jive with some posters own personal beliefs.
Also, sorry about bringing the library into it, but I couldn't help myself after my multiple homes were brought into play.
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Re: Texas
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My freaking cat is a ball of cells. That’s viable. That’s a fact. A ball of cells, whatever semantics you want to use, at 6 weeks is not viable. That’s a fact.
I know perfectly well how the dating of pregnancy works. I know some people may have irregular cycles of 60 days and that puts them at 8 weeks.
Read the room. This is a site full of mostly women. Did it ever occur to you that probably many here have had terminations (in the sense of the life was not viable, abuse, or their choice)? Did it? Meanwhile people on this thread are being incredibly insensitive to the struggle of others.
Stop talking down to me as if I don’t know about this topic. It’s funny so many say they know so much public information about someone, but it’s really not true.
Again it’s just women going against other women. And this thread is a perfect example of it.
Has it ever occurred to you that people here might have suffered devastating miscarriages and that having the babies they lost referred to as a nonviable ball of cells might be insensitive? Have you????? Because I have.
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Re: Texas
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I was going to stay out of this debate as I am pro-choice and feel very strongly about a woman's right to choose in EVERY situation but I wanted to add this as I have not seen it mentioned. (unless I missed it)
When the topic of abortions is raised inevitably MOST people jump right to the "abortions as contraception" argument. While I will not argue than some women use an abortion for that reason it's imperative to understand that there are COUNTLESS women who must terminate pregnancies (well into their pregnancy sometimes) for a myriad of medical reasons and more than anything, that is why abortions must be safe and legal ALWAYS.
In between conceiving my DD and my DS I had three miscarriages, two of which I had to terminate and one I had to terminate at over 13 weeks. Long story short, the embryos were not developing properly nor was my hcg rising. In one of those pregnancies the embryo was growing OUTSIDE of my uterus. If I did not terminate and that embryo continued to grow I would have died. I was NOT willing to risk my own life for a pregnancy that wasn't going to be viable no matter how far along I was.
I have a very good friend who had to terminate at around 24-26 weeks. The baby had only one kidney and that one kidney was malformed and not functioning so if she carried to term, the baby would have died shortly thereafter. She did not want to go through an entire pregnancy only to have her baby die in her arms after birth so she terminated. It was an agonizing decision to have to make.
Whether the pregnancy is a "cluster of cells", a small embryo, a fetus or has a heartbeat there are many, many instances where a pregnancy goes south and a woman MUST have the legal right to make medical decisions for herself and if needed, obtain a safe and legal abortion. I cannot even imagine if I lived in TX under this archaic law where once they detect a HB at 6 weeks that's it, you cannot terminate. What on earth would that mean for women who are in a similar situation to me where it's my life or a developing embryo's "life" that isn't viable?
This TX law is abhorrent on EVERY level and I cannot believe that there is anyone alive on this planet that would champion such a backwards step as well as a BLATANT disregard for Roe v. Wade which protects a woman's right to choose. I have no understanding of why the Supreme Court is just sitting back on this but I feel for any woman living in TX under this nonsense and I pray that none of them ever find themselves in the position of needing an abortion whether due to medical reasons, rape, or otherwise. The whole situation disgusts me.
I think that most of the posters, if not all on this thread, have stated that they are pro choice. I agree that it is completely necessary to have safe, legal and accessible abortions. However, that does not mean that we can't all engage in an intelligent discussion about the morality, legal aspects, etc that are intertwined in the abortion debate. However, the second another point of view is raised people start to attack and accuse people of spreading misinformation, just because that information might not jive with some posters own personal beliefs.
Also, sorry about bringing the library into it, but I couldn't help myself after my multiple homes were brought into play.
I don't disagree with you about having an intelligent discussion, in particular when it comes to women's rights as I feel *most* are likely on the same page.
I brought up the point regarding medical necessity because I think it's something that is often times overlooked when the discussion of abortions is brought up. Having had the unfortunate experience to terminate it just really bothers me me when people (nobody specifically on here - just in general) ignore the need for women to have to make life and death medical decisions for themselves.
No prob about the library although it wasn't me who brought up your multiple homes. 
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Re: Texas
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My freaking cat is a ball of cells. That’s viable. That’s a fact. A ball of cells, whatever semantics you want to use, at 6 weeks is not viable. That’s a fact.
I know perfectly well how the dating of pregnancy works. I know some people may have irregular cycles of 60 days and that puts them at 8 weeks.
Read the room. This is a site full of mostly women. Did it ever occur to you that probably many here have had terminations (in the sense of the life was not viable, abuse, or their choice)? Did it? Meanwhile people on this thread are being incredibly insensitive to the struggle of others.
Stop talking down to me as if I don’t know about this topic. It’s funny so many say they know so much public information about someone, but it’s really not true.
Again it’s just women going against other women. And this thread is a perfect example of it.
Has it ever occurred to you that people here might have suffered devastating miscarriages and that having the babies they lost referred to as a nonviable ball of cells might be insensitive? Have you????? Because I have.
Yes. Yes, to everything. It still doesn’t change the fact about viability.
It’s the idea of what was to be in the future that hurts. I get that. Trust me, I really do.
It doesn’t mean you get to impose those ideas on everyone at 6 weeks.
ETA: some of those miscarriages that a woman chooses are done the exact same way as abortions (I forget which is which, surgical or medical). That choice will no longer be offered to women of Texas and will be forced to wait to pass it “naturally” after 6 weeks.
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Re: Texas
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My freaking cat is a ball of cells. That’s viable. That’s a fact. A ball of cells, whatever semantics you want to use, at 6 weeks is not viable. That’s a fact.
I know perfectly well how the dating of pregnancy works. I know some people may have irregular cycles of 60 days and that puts them at 8 weeks.
Read the room. This is a site full of mostly women. Did it ever occur to you that probably many here have had terminations (in the sense of the life was not viable, abuse, or their choice)? Did it? Meanwhile people on this thread are being incredibly insensitive to the struggle of others.
Stop talking down to me as if I don’t know about this topic. It’s funny so many say they know so much public information about someone, but it’s really not true.
Again it’s just women going against other women. And this thread is a perfect example of it.
Has it ever occurred to you that people here might have suffered devastating miscarriages and that having the babies they lost referred to as a nonviable ball of cells might be insensitive? Have you????? Because I have.
Yes. Yes, to everything. It still doesn’t change the fact about viability.
It’s the idea of what was to be in the future that hurts. I get that. Trust me, I really do.
It doesn’t mean you get to impose those ideas on everyone at 6 weeks.
Right - which is exactly why I have stated over and over again that I am pro choice. And it's not just the idea of the future that hurts. It's the fact that even in the early stages of a pregnancy you have bonded with the baby inside of you. It's not just an idea. It's an actual baby, viable or not. And I don't presume to impose my beliefs on others. Not everyone may feel that way but many, many do. So please stop referring to it as a ball of cells.
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Re: Texas
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My freaking cat is a ball of cells. That’s viable. That’s a fact. A ball of cells, whatever semantics you want to use, at 6 weeks is not viable. That’s a fact.
I know perfectly well how the dating of pregnancy works. I know some people may have irregular cycles of 60 days and that puts them at 8 weeks.
Read the room. This is a site full of mostly women. Did it ever occur to you that probably many here have had terminations (in the sense of the life was not viable, abuse, or their choice)? Did it? Meanwhile people on this thread are being incredibly insensitive to the struggle of others.
Stop talking down to me as if I don’t know about this topic. It’s funny so many say they know so much public information about someone, but it’s really not true.
Again it’s just women going against other women. And this thread is a perfect example of it.
Has it ever occurred to you that people here might have suffered devastating miscarriages and that having the babies they lost referred to as a nonviable ball of cells might be insensitive? Have you????? Because I have.
Yes. Yes, to everything. It still doesn’t change the fact about viability.
It’s the idea of what was to be in the future that hurts. I get that. Trust me, I really do.
It doesn’t mean you get to impose those ideas on everyone at 6 weeks.
ETA: some of those miscarriages that a woman chooses are done the exact same way as abortions (I forget which is which, surgical or medical). That choice will no longer be offered to women of Texas and will be forced to wait to pass it “naturally” after 6 weeks.
Again no one here that I can recall said that they support this bill. I certainly didn't. But btw most D&C's which is what you are referring to are typically performed after the fetus has died but had not passed so there would be no heartbeat at that point. I do not believe that would fall under this bill while it is technically considered and abortion.
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Re: Texas
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My freaking cat is a ball of cells. That’s viable. That’s a fact. A ball of cells, whatever semantics you want to use, at 6 weeks is not viable. That’s a fact.
I know perfectly well how the dating of pregnancy works. I know some people may have irregular cycles of 60 days and that puts them at 8 weeks.
Read the room. This is a site full of mostly women. Did it ever occur to you that probably many here have had terminations (in the sense of the life was not viable, abuse, or their choice)? Did it? Meanwhile people on this thread are being incredibly insensitive to the struggle of others.
Stop talking down to me as if I don’t know about this topic. It’s funny so many say they know so much public information about someone, but it’s really not true.
Again it’s just women going against other women. And this thread is a perfect example of it.
Has it ever occurred to you that people here might have suffered devastating miscarriages and that having the babies they lost referred to as a nonviable ball of cells might be insensitive? Have you????? Because I have.
Yes. Yes, to everything. It still doesn’t change the fact about viability.
It’s the idea of what was to be in the future that hurts. I get that. Trust me, I really do.
It doesn’t mean you get to impose those ideas on everyone at 6 weeks.
Right - which is exactly why I have stated over and over again that I am pro choice. And it's not just the idea of the future that hurts. It's the fact that even in the early stages of a pregnancy you have bonded with the baby inside of you. It's not just an idea. It's an actual baby, viable or not. And I don't presume to impose my beliefs on others. Not everyone may feel that way but many, many do. So please stop referring to it as a ball of cells.
Then please stop referring to me as someone who doesn’t “have children” so what would I know about what’s viable or not. It’s rude and condescending. It’s happened at least twice in the past week to me and quite a few times before. I’m tired of it.
This is exactly why I said I was not interested in a debate. Instead I called it what it is to me, and you tried to educate me and called me ignorant, etc.
You also said the topic makes you quite sick, but then also said
Sorry - I know this thread was actually meant to just trash Texas and all the morons that live there. I know we aren't actually supposed to talk about the topic.....
*shrug*
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Re: Texas
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My freaking cat is a ball of cells. That’s viable. That’s a fact. A ball of cells, whatever semantics you want to use, at 6 weeks is not viable. That’s a fact.
I know perfectly well how the dating of pregnancy works. I know some people may have irregular cycles of 60 days and that puts them at 8 weeks.
Read the room. This is a site full of mostly women. Did it ever occur to you that probably many here have had terminations (in the sense of the life was not viable, abuse, or their choice)? Did it? Meanwhile people on this thread are being incredibly insensitive to the struggle of others.
Stop talking down to me as if I don’t know about this topic. It’s funny so many say they know so much public information about someone, but it’s really not true.
Again it’s just women going against other women. And this thread is a perfect example of it.
Has it ever occurred to you that people here might have suffered devastating miscarriages and that having the babies they lost referred to as a nonviable ball of cells might be insensitive? Have you????? Because I have.
Yes. Yes, to everything. It still doesn’t change the fact about viability.
It’s the idea of what was to be in the future that hurts. I get that. Trust me, I really do.
It doesn’t mean you get to impose those ideas on everyone at 6 weeks.
ETA: some of those miscarriages that a woman chooses are done the exact same way as abortions (I forget which is which, surgical or medical). That choice will no longer be offered to women of Texas and will be forced to wait to pass it “naturally” after 6 weeks.
Again no one here that I can recall said that they support this bill. I certainly didn't. But btw most D&C's which is what you are referring to are typically performed after the fetus has died but had not passed so there would be no heartbeat at that point. I do not believe that would fall under this bill while it is technically considered and abortion.
In the medical community it falls under the same thing, but it depends on where it is performed:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/dilation-and-curettage/about/pac-20384910
I was actually referring to the choice of either a D&C or medication. I know what I’m referring to.
And from what I have read it isn’t a viable heartbeat.
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Re: Texas
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Posted by klingklang77
My freaking cat is a ball of cells. That’s viable. That’s a fact. A ball of cells, whatever semantics you want to use, at 6 weeks is not viable. That’s a fact.
I know perfectly well how the dating of pregnancy works. I know some people may have irregular cycles of 60 days and that puts them at 8 weeks.
Read the room. This is a site full of mostly women. Did it ever occur to you that probably many here have had terminations (in the sense of the life was not viable, abuse, or their choice)? Did it? Meanwhile people on this thread are being incredibly insensitive to the struggle of others.
Stop talking down to me as if I don’t know about this topic. It’s funny so many say they know so much public information about someone, but it’s really not true.
Again it’s just women going against other women. And this thread is a perfect example of it.
Has it ever occurred to you that people here might have suffered devastating miscarriages and that having the babies they lost referred to as a nonviable ball of cells might be insensitive? Have you????? Because I have.
Yes. Yes, to everything. It still doesn’t change the fact about viability.
It’s the idea of what was to be in the future that hurts. I get that. Trust me, I really do.
It doesn’t mean you get to impose those ideas on everyone at 6 weeks.
Right - which is exactly why I have stated over and over again that I am pro choice. And it's not just the idea of the future that hurts. It's the fact that even in the early stages of a pregnancy you have bonded with the baby inside of you. It's not just an idea. It's an actual baby, viable or not. And I don't presume to impose my beliefs on others. Not everyone may feel that way but many, many do. So please stop referring to it as a ball of cells.
Then please stop referring to me as someone who doesn’t “have children” so what would I know about what’s viable or not. It’s rude and condescending. It’s happened at least twice in the past week to me and quite a few times before. I’m tired of it.
This is exactly why I said I was not interested in a debate. Instead I called it what it is to me, and you tried to educate me and called me ignorant, etc.
You also said the topic makes you quite sick, but then also said
Sorry - I know this thread was actually meant to just trash Texas and all the morons that live there. I know we aren't actually supposed to talk about the topic.....
*shrug*
Please stop trying to twist things. You made an insensitive comment. I mentioned that you do not have children as part of the reason why you may not be as aware of the different stages of development of an embryo. Which you have clearly shown you are not aware. And again, it is not about what is VIABLE or not. The fact that you keep bringing up viability makes me realize even more how insensitive you are to the topic at hand. If someone you know suffers a miscarriage do you say to them "well, it's not a big deal because it wasn't viable anyway?" No, never.
I am not going to argue with you anymore. I am prochoice and I am all for a women's right to decide what happens with her body but that doesn't mean that I can not be aware of the unborn, albeit non viable life, that is being terminated.
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Re: Texas
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My freaking cat is a ball of cells. That’s viable. That’s a fact. A ball of cells, whatever semantics you want to use, at 6 weeks is not viable. That’s a fact.
I know perfectly well how the dating of pregnancy works. I know some people may have irregular cycles of 60 days and that puts them at 8 weeks.
Read the room. This is a site full of mostly women. Did it ever occur to you that probably many here have had terminations (in the sense of the life was not viable, abuse, or their choice)? Did it? Meanwhile people on this thread are being incredibly insensitive to the struggle of others.
Stop talking down to me as if I don’t know about this topic. It’s funny so many say they know so much public information about someone, but it’s really not true.
Again it’s just women going against other women. And this thread is a perfect example of it.
Has it ever occurred to you that people here might have suffered devastating miscarriages and that having the babies they lost referred to as a nonviable ball of cells might be insensitive? Have you????? Because I have.
Yes. Yes, to everything. It still doesn’t change the fact about viability.
It’s the idea of what was to be in the future that hurts. I get that. Trust me, I really do.
It doesn’t mean you get to impose those ideas on everyone at 6 weeks.
Right - which is exactly why I have stated over and over again that I am pro choice. And it's not just the idea of the future that hurts. It's the fact that even in the early stages of a pregnancy you have bonded with the baby inside of you. It's not just an idea. It's an actual baby, viable or not. And I don't presume to impose my beliefs on others. Not everyone may feel that way but many, many do. So please stop referring to it as a ball of cells.
Then please stop referring to me as someone who doesn’t “have children” so what would I know about what’s viable or not. It’s rude and condescending. It’s happened at least twice in the past week to me and quite a few times before. I’m tired of it.
This is exactly why I said I was not interested in a debate. Instead I called it what it is to me, and you tried to educate me and called me ignorant, etc.
You also said the topic makes you quite sick, but then also said
Sorry - I know this thread was actually meant to just trash Texas and all the morons that live there. I know we aren't actually supposed to talk about the topic.....
*shrug*
Please stop trying to twist things. You made an insensitive comment. I mentioned that you do not have children as part of the reason why you may not be as aware of the different stages of development of an embryo. Which you have clearly shown you are not aware. And again, it is not about what is VIABLE or not. The fact that you keep bringing up viability makes me realize even more how insensitive you are to the topic at hand. If someone you know suffers a miscarriage do you say to them "well, it's not a big deal because it wasn't viable anyway?" No, never.
I am not going to argue with you anymore. I am prochoice and I am all for a women's right to decide what happens with her body but that doesn't mean that I can not be aware of the unborn, albeit non viable life, that is being terminated.
I’m not trying to twist anything. How about you stop being passive aggressive with what you consider me not knowing about things. Like I said, you do not know my life.
I simply say to someone who has had a loss that I am sorry for what they are going through. I also remember to contact them on the due date because I *know* that is also a difficult time. I also remember the date of loss and due dates as years go by. Of course, this is if I know the dates.
I don’t give some BS response of “everything happens for a reason.”
Stop trying to twist my words and politics in how I treat people IRL. I’m not getting into my personal life here. Like I said, you really know nothing about my life.
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Re: Texas
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by CookiePuss
What is even more frightening is the Supreme Court and how this law was passed. The use of the Shadow Docket is downright frightening and how it is being used.
What is this country coming to?
Agreed.
The best part is all the people on this board who go on and on about how horrifying mask and vaccine mandates are because it infringes on personal freedom, but silence when it comes to this, a far greater threat to America's freedoms than anything COVID related.
For the record I think this is horrifying but I am also against mandating a brand new vaccine.
It's not one or the other.
It's not black and white, all or nothing.
I don't exist in a political vacuum.
In fact, my opinions on matters are just that MY opinions and not dictated by a political party or what one party believes.
I actually hate politics and think both parties are awful.
I agree. This is horrifying. Sometimes I don't think people fully understand the consequences of their actions. Great - I will pass this law - nothing will go wrong
I tend to lean more Republican and I had a 100% Liberal roommate and she's been worried about the overturn of R V Wade for years. I was thinking (silly me) that it wouldn't happen as there are so many more serious things wrong in our country... And here we are...
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Re: Texas
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by CookiePuss
What is even more frightening is the Supreme Court and how this law was passed. The use of the Shadow Docket is downright frightening and how it is being used.
What is this country coming to?
Agreed.
The best part is all the people on this board who go on and on about how horrifying mask and vaccine mandates are because it infringes on personal freedom, but silence when it comes to this, a far greater threat to America's freedoms than anything COVID related.
For the record I think this is horrifying but I am also against mandating a brand new vaccine.
It's not one or the other.
It's not black and white, all or nothing.
I don't exist in a political vacuum.
In fact, my opinions on matters are just that MY opinions and not dictated by a political party or what one party believes.
I actually hate politics and think both parties are awful.
I agree. This is horrifying. Sometimes I don't think people fully understand the consequences of their actions. Great - I will pass this law - nothing will go wrong
I tend to lean more Republican and I had a 100% Liberal roommate and she's been worried about the overturn of R V Wade for years. I was thinking (silly me) that it wouldn't happen as there are so many more serious things wrong in our country... And here we are...
I think some states pass ridiculous laws to force them to go before the Supreme Court because otherwise the SC wouldn't hear the case.
How the SC handled this law is frightening. I believe it's an overstep of the use of shadow dockets and I am worried about how this will be used as a veil to continue to push extreme or controversial laws from the public.
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ChilisWife
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Re: Texas
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by CookiePuss
What is even more frightening is the Supreme Court and how this law was passed. The use of the Shadow Docket is downright frightening and how it is being used.
What is this country coming to?
Agreed.
The best part is all the people on this board who go on and on about how horrifying mask and vaccine mandates are because it infringes on personal freedom, but silence when it comes to this, a far greater threat to America's freedoms than anything COVID related.
For the record I think this is horrifying but I am also against mandating a brand new vaccine.
It's not one or the other.
It's not black and white, all or nothing.
I don't exist in a political vacuum.
In fact, my opinions on matters are just that MY opinions and not dictated by a political party or what one party believes.
I actually hate politics and think both parties are awful.
I agree. This is horrifying. Sometimes I don't think people fully understand the consequences of their actions. Great - I will pass this law - nothing will go wrong
I tend to lean more Republican and I had a 100% Liberal roommate and she's been worried about the overturn of R V Wade for years. I was thinking (silly me) that it wouldn't happen as there are so many more serious things wrong in our country... And here we are...
I think some states pass ridiculous laws to force them to go before the Supreme Court because otherwise the SC wouldn't hear the case.
How the SC handled this law is frightening. I believe it's an overstep of the use of shadow dockets and I am worried about how this will be used as a veil to continue to push extreme or controversial laws from the public.
Again, when you allow a tyrannical government (whether it be federal, state, local) to unilaterally enact orders and mandates without any public debate or legislative process, in violation of constitutional rights, then this is what you get. Over the past 18 months we permitted it and cheered it on. None of this is surprising. And it is going to get worse.
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Re: Texas
Posted by windyweather21
I might be late to the game but has anyone spoken about adoption? There is always that option in life and not just keeping the baby or having an abortion.
Not everyone wants to be pregnant. It’s not like you get pregnant and have a baby 2 days later. It is an 8+ month commitment. It is something that could affect your health, your job, your education, your livelihood. It could get you ostracized from your family.
Does the government that wants these women to carry babies to term offer free mental health counseling? I doubt it.
Not to mention the currently hundreds of thousands of US children waiting to be adopted. What happens when we double those numbers? What happens to those kids? Yes, some of them might be adopted but others will go into foster care which is a system in our country that is deplorable.
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Re: Texas
Posted by windyweather21
I might be late to the game but has anyone spoken about adoption? There is always that option in life and not just keeping the baby or having an abortion.
What are the statistics of American babies put up for adoption AND they are actually adopted? How many children grow up unwanted and never adopted? Then you have Republicans wanting to cut every type of public assistance so do these kids put up for adoption really ever get a chance at a good life. Let's be realistic here.
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Re: Texas
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
I might be late to the game but has anyone spoken about adoption? There is always that option in life and not just keeping the baby or having an abortion.
What are the statistics of American babies put up for adoption AND they are actually adopted? How many children grow up unwanted and never adopted? Then you have Republicans wanting to cut every type of public assistance so do these kids put up for adoption really ever get a chance at a good life. Let's be realistic here.
Well I can tell you that people are on waiting lists for adoptions. My cousins waited 10 years for a child from America. That is why people go outside America as they get children faster that way.
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Re: Texas
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
I might be late to the game but has anyone spoken about adoption? There is always that option in life and not just keeping the baby or having an abortion.
What are the statistics of American babies put up for adoption AND they are actually adopted? How many children grow up unwanted and never adopted? Then you have Republicans wanting to cut every type of public assistance so do these kids put up for adoption really ever get a chance at a good life. Let's be realistic here.
Well I can tell you that people are on waiting lists for adoptions. My cousins waited 10 years for a child from America. That is why people go outside America as they get children faster that way.
They also go abroad because it's more attainable financially! To adopt an American child is over 50k!!! Most people who want to adopt don't have that. My friend borrowed from her 401K to adopt a baby in the US.
And yes...it's an option for some women/girls who are pregnant. But not every woman or girl can go home and tell her highly religious parents or abusive spouse that she is pregnant. For some, abortion really is their ONLY choice. Some women will sooner KILL themselves rather than face the consequences of being pregnant.
Yes, adoption is a choice. But as women, we need to have compassion for those who DON'T have that choice.
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Re: Texas
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
I might be late to the game but has anyone spoken about adoption? There is always that option in life and not just keeping the baby or having an abortion.
What are the statistics of American babies put up for adoption AND they are actually adopted? How many children grow up unwanted and never adopted? Then you have Republicans wanting to cut every type of public assistance so do these kids put up for adoption really ever get a chance at a good life. Let's be realistic here.
Well I can tell you that people are on waiting lists for adoptions. My cousins waited 10 years for a child from America. That is why people go outside America as they get children faster that way.
Did your cousin adopt an American child or from another country? How old was the child at time of adoption?
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Re: Texas
Posted by MissJones
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
I might be late to the game but has anyone spoken about adoption? There is always that option in life and not just keeping the baby or having an abortion.
What are the statistics of American babies put up for adoption AND they are actually adopted? How many children grow up unwanted and never adopted? Then you have Republicans wanting to cut every type of public assistance so do these kids put up for adoption really ever get a chance at a good life. Let's be realistic here.
Well I can tell you that people are on waiting lists for adoptions. My cousins waited 10 years for a child from America. That is why people go outside America as they get children faster that way.
They also go abroad because it's more attainable financially! To adopt an American child is over 50k!!! Most people who want to adopt don't have that. My friend borrowed from her 401K to adopt a baby in the US.
And yes...it's an option for some women/girls who are pregnant. But not every woman or girl can go home and tell her highly religious parents or abusive spouse that she is pregnant. For some, abortion really is their ONLY choice. Some women will sooner KILL themselves rather than face the consequences of being pregnant.
Yes, adoption is a choice. But as women, we need to have compassion for those who DON'T have that choice.
Agree
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