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MrsNaunie
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by Jax430
Posted by MrsNaunie
Gazundheit is just German for God Bless You.
Ummm...no..it comes from "gezunt", which in both german and yiddish, means health.
my bad.
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MrsNaunie
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by june262004
Posted by MrsNaunie
Wishing someone a Merry Christmas is FAR from religious intolerance.
I don't get offended by "Happy holidays". I appreciate the well wishes.
But I respond with Merry Christmas.
If someone wished me a Happy Roshashauna (sp?), I may be taken back, but not insulted.
My italian husband doesn't get offended when my Irish family wishes him a Happy St. Paddy's Day.
Gazundheit is just German for God Bless You.
If Jews are a minority, how are the few athiests of the world any different?
People just look for things to get insulted over. This world is out of control.
I think St. Patricks day is different then religious holiday's I KNOW a lot of people who celebrate st. patricks and are not Irish.
For arguements sake, it's the same to me. I know people who celebrate Christmas that aren't practicing Christians.
And if people can let down their guard against all things potentially offensive for St. paddy's day, then what's the difference?
I think it's very much the same. Different shades of grey.
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| Posted 12/21/06 10:12 AM |
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jxnoscar
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by Goldi0218
As I said before I am not one to be offended by expressions of good faith.
I do understand that my faith is an EXTREME minority though not viewed so in this part of the country. There are only 13 million Jews in the entire world. The largest percentage of Jews live in NY City - even more than the amount of Jews that live in Israel. I am surrounded by Christmas from before Thanksgiving between radio and TV programming as well as a huge retail blitz, and you know what? I deal with it. So I don't listen to 106.7 for a month - big whoop.
Despite living in a diverse area in a very PC time, I do not expect people to make accommodations for me by trying to figure out my religion (assuming I have one). I do not throw out the multitude of Christmas cards with the pictures of our friends' children because they are surrounded by wreaths and holly. Nor do I expect them to order additional Chanukah prints from Shutterfly so they can be PC with me. Every single wish for a Merry Christmas and Happy Chanukah is on display proudly.
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| Posted 12/21/06 10:24 AM |
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MrsNaunie
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by MrsNaunie
I don't get offended by "Happy holidays". I appreciate the well wishes.
But I respond with Merry Christmas.
If someone wished me a Happy Roshashauna (sp?), I may be taken back, but not insulted.
control.
Your kidding?
You say Merry Christmas? Even though they may not be Catholic?
Can I ask WHY?
Are you just being silly? Trying to convert them? Wishing they were Catholic? Assuming that they are because you are?
Thats my point I guess..
WHY would you do that 
Bottom line...Does this all matter to me...No...I dont really care.
What I dont like or find offensive is narrow mindeness....and Well when there are TWO religious holidays that fall at the same time of the year and people wish that only one of them were mentioned...
Or like you....... purposely reference only Christmas....well I , and Im sure others are out there...find it weird ..why YOUR holiday is more important then the other one. Since Saying Happy Holidays is really just as easy....
hope that explains my feelings better.
I should clarify that I don't work in retail. And when I say that I wish people Merry Christmas, I am off the clock at the time.
Merry Christmas is natural for me to say. because I celebrate Christmas. I am completely turned off by the fact that no one can be happy, or live for themselves anymore, because we constantly have to walk around on eggshells, so as not to offend any strangers.
So you know what, I may be a monster, but I don't care. If someone is going to be offended by my saying Merry Christmas, that's their problem. I am not in the bsiness of catering to this overly sensitive, PC crazy world.
*disclaimer- the views and spelling in this post do not necessarily reflect those of all Christians, people named Lauren, or women who wear a size 7 1/2 shoe.
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| Posted 12/21/06 10:28 AM |
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Bxgell2
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by MrsNaunie
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by MrsNaunie
I don't get offended by "Happy holidays". I appreciate the well wishes.
But I respond with Merry Christmas.
If someone wished me a Happy Roshashauna (sp?), I may be taken back, but not insulted.
control.
Your kidding?
You say Merry Christmas? Even though they may not be Catholic?
Can I ask WHY?
Are you just being silly? Trying to convert them? Wishing they were Catholic? Assuming that they are because you are?
Thats my point I guess..
WHY would you do that
Bottom line...Does this all matter to me...No...I dont really care.
What I dont like or find offensive is narrow mindeness....and Well when there are TWO religious holidays that fall at the same time of the year and people wish that only one of them were mentioned...
Or like you....... purposely reference only Christmas....well I , and Im sure others are out there...find it weird ..why YOUR holiday is more important then the other one. Since Saying Happy Holidays is really just as easy....
hope that explains my feelings better.
I should clarify that I don't work in retail. And when I say that I wish people Merry Christmas, I am off the clock at the time.
Merry Christmas is natural for me to say. because I celebrate Christmas. I am completely turned off by the fact that no one can be happy, or live for themselves anymore, because we constantly have to walk around on eggshells, so as not to offend any strangers.
So you know what, I may be a monster, but I don't care. If someone is going to be offended by my saying Merry Christmas, that's their problem. I am not in the bsiness of catering to this overly sensitive, PC crazy world.
*disclaimer- the views and spelling in this post do not necessarily reflect those of all Christians, people named Lauren, or women who wear a size 7 1/2 shoe.
I understand where you're coming from, but by the other token, what I don't understand is that if you have the option of saying Happy Holidays, instead of Merry Christmas, knowing that Happy Holidays is the nicer, sweeter, more compassionate, more encompassing, and more respectful to others who are celebrating other holidays that are very meaningful to them at that very moment, why wouldn't you? Look, I'm not offended, so to speak, when someone wishes me a Merry Christmas, not in the least bit. But you know what? When I'm in the midst of celebrating hanukah, and someone goes out of their way to wish me a Happy Holidays, it puts a great big smile on my face, and touches a little piece of me knowing that they respect and understand that I might be celebrating something else that's very important to me. If you have the option of making everyone feel special and important in that way, why not do it?
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| Posted 12/21/06 10:39 AM |
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Ophelia
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by Goldi0218
Im Jewish and I appreciate any gesture of good spirit. No one is looking to convert me by wishing me a Merry Christmas.
I love you.
I say Merry Christmas and Enjoy your holiday.
If someone said Happy ANYTHING to me...in this day and age, I'd be touched and grateful.
people are so ridiculous and need to just be THANKFUL.
Message edited 12/21/2006 10:49:32 AM.
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| Posted 12/21/06 10:47 AM |
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: The War on Christmas
Merry Christmas is natural for me to say. because I celebrate Christmas. I am completely turned off by the fact that no one can be happy, or live for themselves anymore, because we constantly have to walk around on eggshells, so as not to offend any strangers.
So you know what, I may be a monster, but I don't care. If someone is going to be offended by my saying Merry Christmas, that's their problem. I am not in the bsiness of catering to this overly sensitive, PC crazy world.
my sentiments exactly
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| Posted 12/21/06 10:48 AM |
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Ophelia
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by MrsNaunie
*disclaimer- the views and spelling in this post do not necessarily reflect those of all Christians, people named Lauren, or women who wear a size 7 1/2 shoe.
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| Posted 12/21/06 10:48 AM |
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Re: The War on Christmas
It's just as easy for me to say Happy Holidays as it is to say Merry Christmas so there's no reason for me to wish people good wishes for a holiday they may not celebrate.
But on the flip side, I don't stand there and shrug my shoulders when I am wished Happy (something I don't celebrate). I just smile and say "Thank you. You too." since it was nice of them to include me in their holiday wishes.
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| Posted 12/21/06 10:52 AM |
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Goldi0218
Im Jewish and I appreciate any gesture of good spirit. No one is looking to convert me by wishing me a Merry Christmas.
I love you.
I say Merry Christmas and Enjoy your holiday.
If someone said Happy ANYTHING to me...in this day and age, I'd be touched and grateful.
people are so ridiculous and need to just be THANKFUL.
Yes, yes and yes (I love you too Goldi)
As for Naunie trying to be nice, not possible.
Carry on.
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| Posted 12/21/06 10:53 AM |
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by MrsNaunie
Merry Christmas is natural for me to say. because I celebrate Christmas. I am completely turned off by the fact that no one can be happy, or live for themselves anymore, because we constantly have to walk around on eggshells, so as not to offend any strangers.
I see where you are coming from.
But I was raised that you are supposed to be considerate of others and take their feelings into account. This is before the era of PC and the so called "war on Christmas". My parents just called it good manners.
This is something that I try to instill all year round. That is why when I am entering or exiting a place, I look around to see if someone needs the door held for them. This is why when I go to take a seat on the subway I look around to see if someone needs it more than I do. That's why I hold the door for someoen running to it in an elevator. That's why I say "bless you" when someone sneezes. To me its all the same thing- being sensitive to someone else's needs and not just my own. Especially when it is SO EASY.
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| Posted 12/21/06 10:58 AM |
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MrsNaunie
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by Shellyesq
Posted by MrsNaunie
Merry Christmas is natural for me to say. because I celebrate Christmas. I am completely turned off by the fact that no one can be happy, or live for themselves anymore, because we constantly have to walk around on eggshells, so as not to offend any strangers.
I see where you are coming from.
But I was raised that you are supposed to be considerate of others and take their feelings into account. This is before the era of PC and the so called "war on Christmas". My parents just called it good manners.
This is something that I try to instill all year round. That is why when I am entering or exiting a place, I look around to see if someone needs the door held for them. This is why when I go to take a seat on the subway I look around to see if someone needs it more than I do. That's why I hold the door for someoen running to it in an elevator. That's why I say "bless you" when someone sneezes. To me its all the same thing- being sensitive to someone else's needs and not just my own. Especially when it is SO EASY.
Paaaaaaardon?
I get a rediculous kick out of this. Sonow my parents raised me with no manners? You're right. I have a rediculous habit of letting doors close in people's faces, and taking subway seats from pregnant women. I also pee on the seat. Oh, and I slap babies.
Didn't your parents teach you that it's bad manners to assume things about people, and to judge?
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| Posted 12/21/06 11:00 AM |
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Ophelia
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Re: The War on Christmas
I dont' see how WISHING SOMEONE WELL is not being thoughtful or considerate.
I guess I was raised by wolves (well, I AM from Brooklyn ) but I was always taught that no matter who the person is, what religion they practice, or where they are from, wishing them well from YOUR heart...in the way that YOU know how...is a BEAUTIFUL thing.
I will say Merry Christmas to the world, from the bottom of my heart...and I mean what I say. If you don't accept my well wishes b/c it was not phrased to your liking....that says something about YOU, no me.
Merry Christmas to all. I truly hope you have a wonderful and joy-filled holiday season.
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| Posted 12/21/06 11:01 AM |
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Shelly
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by MrsNaunie
Posted by Shellyesq
Posted by MrsNaunie
Merry Christmas is natural for me to say. because I celebrate Christmas. I am completely turned off by the fact that no one can be happy, or live for themselves anymore, because we constantly have to walk around on eggshells, so as not to offend any strangers.
I see where you are coming from.
But I was raised that you are supposed to be considerate of others and take their feelings into account. This is before the era of PC and the so called "war on Christmas". My parents just called it good manners.
This is something that I try to instill all year round. That is why when I am entering or exiting a place, I look around to see if someone needs the door held for them. This is why when I go to take a seat on the subway I look around to see if someone needs it more than I do. That's why I hold the door for someoen running to it in an elevator. That's why I say "bless you" when someone sneezes. To me its all the same thing- being sensitive to someone else's needs and not just my own. Especially when it is SO EASY.
Paaaaaaardon?
I get a rediculous kick out of this. Sonow my parents raised me with no manners? You're right. I have a rediculous habit of letting doors close in people's faces, and taking subway seats from pregnant women. I also pee on the seat. Oh, and I slap babies.
Didn't your parents teach you that it's bad manners to assume things about people, and to judge?
WOAH!! I wan't saying you have bad manners. I wasn't saying anything about you. I didn't assume anything about you.
I was just saying that taking someone else's feelings into account was a part of the good manners that *I*was taught. Something that you said in your post that you don't want to do. ETA: And to me- that includes undersetandign that not everyone celebrates the same holiday.
I just think that be considerate of someone's holiday is the same as all these other things. You are entitled to disagree with me of course. But to me they are the same.
ETA: I am not offended by a wish of "Merry X-mas", I just think its nicer to wish someone a happy holiday.
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by MrsNaunie
I also pee on the seat. Oh, and I slap babies.
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She does, I've seen it.
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| Posted 12/21/06 11:05 AM |
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MrsNaunie
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by Shellyesq
WOAH!! I wan't saying you have bad manners. I wasn't saying anything about you. I didn't assume anything about you.
I was just saying that taking someone else's feelings into account was a part of the good manners that *I*was taught. Something that you said in your post that you don't want to do. ETA: And to me- that includes undersetandign that not everyone celebrates the same holiday.
I just think that be considerate of someone's holiday is the same as all these other things. You are entitled to disagree with me of course. But to me they are the same.
OK, noted. And I can see that you are being mindful of people's feelings by choosing to wish them Happy Holidays. And that's great for you. But my point is that it is a choice. These PC discussions really get my biscuit burning.
Because I am a very well mannered person. I get so mad when people don't thank me for holding a door for them. Too mad- I actually yell at them.
But for someone to tell me- You HAVE to be mindful of my feelings. No, I don't.
So that's where I was coming from.
Thanks for not being mean, like I thought you were being.
Happy new Year.
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| Posted 12/21/06 11:08 AM |
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Ophelia
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by MrsNaunie
discussions really get my biscuit burning.
Because I am a very well mannered person. .
so that's what get's your biscuit burning...I thought it was sweet nothings...no wonder I am stuck on first
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| Posted 12/21/06 11:10 AM |
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Shanti
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Re: The War on Christmas
I got this e-mail from a friend yesterday and thought it would work well on ths thread:
Since it is now politically incorrect to say Happy Hanukkah to Christians
and Merry Christmas to Jews and Happy Holidays to Atheist and Happy Tree Day
to people who don't like tree's (this includes me), I just want to wish you
all a Happy Birthday, Get Well Soon, and Congratulations on the new addition
to your family!
This should be the most inoffensive email that has ever been sent. Knowing
me however I may have just insulted half this list of people. Good thing I
am all the way in Da Bronx! Happy what ever to you all, and I mean this from
the bottom of my heart...wherever that is.
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| Posted 12/21/06 11:10 AM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: The War on Christmas
Next "Happy Holidays" will be offensive to people who are not celebrating Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa or Yule
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Shelly
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by MrsNaunie
But for someone to tell me- You HAVE to be mindful of my feelings. No, I don't.
So that's where I was coming from.
Thanks for not being mean, like I thought you were being.
Happy new Year.
No problem.  I am so NOT a mean person that I was so surprise by your reaction. It never occurred to me that it could be interpreted like that. Sorry.
I agree. No one should tell you you HAVE to mindful. Saying Merry X-mas is a good will gesture and I think most people take it as such. I just think its more considerate to say Happy Holidays for the rest of us. 
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| Posted 12/21/06 11:13 AM |
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MrsNaunie
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Re: The War on Christmas
Agreeing to disagree- keeping LIF calm since '69
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| Posted 12/21/06 11:15 AM |
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Bxgell2
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by MrsNaunie
Posted by Shellyesq
WOAH!! I wan't saying you have bad manners. I wasn't saying anything about you. I didn't assume anything about you.
I was just saying that taking someone else's feelings into account was a part of the good manners that *I*was taught. Something that you said in your post that you don't want to do. ETA: And to me- that includes undersetandign that not everyone celebrates the same holiday.
I just think that be considerate of someone's holiday is the same as all these other things. You are entitled to disagree with me of course. But to me they are the same.
OK, noted. And I can see that you are being mindful of people's feelings by choosing to wish them Happy Holidays. And that's great for you. But my point is that it is a choice. These PC discussions really get my biscuit burning.
Because I am a very well mannered person. I get so mad when people don't thank me for holding a door for them. Too mad- I actually yell at them.
But for someone to tell me- You HAVE to be mindful of my feelings. No, I don't.
So that's where I was coming from.
Thanks for not being mean, like I thought you were being.
Happy new Year.
ACK! I don't think Shelly was trying to insult you or be mean, I think she was just trying to make the point a few others (myself included) were trying to make - that if you have the option to say something that's MORE inclusive, and it's so easy to take that tiny little extra step to make someone feel good after a long week of celebrating a different holiday and yet hearing Merry Christmas over and over and over again, why not do it? I think this thread has lost it's point though, because really, I'm sure most of the people (yourself included, I know!) DO say Happy Holidays, and this thread is just getting beyond itself in theoreticals...
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| Posted 12/21/06 11:15 AM |
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by Bxgell2
yet hearing Merry Christmas over and over and over again,
See, I almost NEVER, EVER hear it.
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| Posted 12/21/06 11:17 AM |
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Bxgell2
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Re: The War on Christmas
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by Bxgell2
yet hearing Merry Christmas over and over and over again,
See, I almost NEVER, EVER hear it.
I live in Philly. I hear it all the time. New York is a totally different ballgame - I would NEVER expect to walk into a Hallmark and have someone look at me cross-eyed when I asked if they had Menorah candles if I were in NY 
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| Posted 12/21/06 11:19 AM |
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BriBri2u
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Re: The War on Christmas
What is so hard in accepting a friendly holiday greeting? Be happy that you are getting a greeting at all...it is not to common to find during this time of year.
Why waste your time getting offended??? I have yet to tell the 8 jewish clients that have wished me a Happy Chanukah that I'm not jewish.
In the world that we live in today - any friendly greeting is accepting in my eyes...christen, jewish or neither...
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