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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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That being said, why didn’t the US block travel from the UK? We have been in strict lockdown for about 2 months. It’s the only thing that’s working.
I think we all know the reason- lack of real leadership. 
This is silly. To think that just because the strain was first discovered in the UK would mean it was isolated to the UK is ridiculous. I am sure it is and was all throughout Europe and most of the rest of the world by the time it was "discovered." The same way there are early cases of known COVID in the US before we even knew it existed in China. Locking down the US borders from the UK only would have done nothing to stop the new strain from spreading here.
I know it is silly to say. It’s like the people in families arguing over who gave Covid to whom first because they make the assumption the first person to show symptoms is the one who spread it. People are so illogical with their rationale when it comes to this virus. Actually my friend just came back last week from spending time in Germany with her family.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by klingklang77
That being said, why didn’t the US block travel from the UK? We have been in strict lockdown for about 2 months. It’s the only thing that’s working.
I think we all know the reason- lack of real leadership.
This is silly. To think that just because the strain was first discovered in the UK would mean it was isolated to the UK is ridiculous. I am sure it is and was all throughout Europe and most of the rest of the world by the time it was "discovered." The same way there are early cases of known COVID in the US before we even knew it existed in China. Locking down the US borders from the UK only would have done nothing to stop the new strain from spreading here.
I know it is silly to say. It’s like the people in families arguing over who gave Covid to whom first because they make the assumption the first person to show symptoms is the one who spread it. People are so illogical with their rationale when it comes to this virus. Actually my friend just came back last week from spending time in Germany with her family.
Maybe she brought the new strain here!
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by klingklang77
That being said, why didn’t the US block travel from the UK? We have been in strict lockdown for about 2 months. It’s the only thing that’s working.
I think we all know the reason- lack of real leadership.
This is silly. To think that just because the strain was first discovered in the UK would mean it was isolated to the UK is ridiculous. I am sure it is and was all throughout Europe and most of the rest of the world by the time it was "discovered." The same way there are early cases of known COVID in the US before we even knew it existed in China. Locking down the US borders from the UK only would have done nothing to stop the new strain from spreading here.
I know it is silly to say. It’s like the people in families arguing over who gave Covid to whom first because they make the assumption the first person to show symptoms is the one who spread it. People are so illogical with their rationale when it comes to this virus. Actually my friend just came back last week from spending time in Germany with her family.
Maybe she brought the new strain here!
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But I thought Germany did everything right when it comes to this virus and only the US effs everything up?
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by NervousNell
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Posted by lululu
Posted by Momma2015
Posted by klingklang77
That being said, why didn’t the US block travel from the UK? We have been in strict lockdown for about 2 months. It’s the only thing that’s working.
I think we all know the reason- lack of real leadership.
This is silly. To think that just because the strain was first discovered in the UK would mean it was isolated to the UK is ridiculous. I am sure it is and was all throughout Europe and most of the rest of the world by the time it was "discovered." The same way there are early cases of known COVID in the US before we even knew it existed in China. Locking down the US borders from the UK only would have done nothing to stop the new strain from spreading here.
I know it is silly to say. It’s like the people in families arguing over who gave Covid to whom first because they make the assumption the first person to show symptoms is the one who spread it. People are so illogical with their rationale when it comes to this virus. Actually my friend just came back last week from spending time in Germany with her family.
Maybe she brought the new strain here!
I’m sure she’s a super spreader 
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2021 is not going to be any better in terms of Global issues with this pandemic. It’s going to be what you can make of it.
Yes, I think this point--that the year is going to be what we make of it--is really important. Things are not suddenly going to snap back to normal, but we'll have opportunities to make the year better than the last...and I believe in taking them.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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2021 is not going to be any better in terms of Global issues with this pandemic. It’s going to be what you can make of it.
Yes, I think this point--that the year is going to be what we make of it--is really important. Things are not suddenly going to snap back to normal, but we'll have opportunities to make the year better than the last...and I believe in taking them.
We also had that opportunity in 2020. Many Peoples lives are still going to suck and be destroyed in 2021 is my whole point. Even more so than 2020.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by lululu
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Posted by Sash
Posted by lululu
Posted by Momma2015
Posted by klingklang77
That being said, why didn’t the US block travel from the UK? We have been in strict lockdown for about 2 months. It’s the only thing that’s working.
I think we all know the reason- lack of real leadership.
This is silly. To think that just because the strain was first discovered in the UK would mean it was isolated to the UK is ridiculous. I am sure it is and was all throughout Europe and most of the rest of the world by the time it was "discovered." The same way there are early cases of known COVID in the US before we even knew it existed in China. Locking down the US borders from the UK only would have done nothing to stop the new strain from spreading here.
I know it is silly to say. It’s like the people in families arguing over who gave Covid to whom first because they make the assumption the first person to show symptoms is the one who spread it. People are so illogical with their rationale when it comes to this virus. Actually my friend just came back last week from spending time in Germany with her family.
Maybe she brought the new strain here!
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But I thought Germany did everything right when it comes to this virus and only the US effs everything up?
Nobody said they do everything right here. I’ve been happy with how they have handled it, but somethings could have needed more work. The US just hasn’t done it as well as some other countries, like NZ or AU.
That’s right people can travel to the US from Germany and vice versa. Nobody said they couldn’t. There is paperwork involved and self isolation. Don’t know if your friend self isolated coming here, but she had to register somehow. You don’t just get on a plane and fly here. There is always a form to fill out from a non-EU country. Now there is an extra one. I’ve never had a happy border guard here. They look extensively at my passport and residency. There’s almost always paperwork involved with registering for almost everything in Germany.
But they closed travel with the UK almost completely recently. I mean there’s another thread on here asking about activities to do over winter break. I was surprised because all of that is closed here. Sorry, but now our second wave is going down. It’s working IMO.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by oldtimerocknroll
2021 is not going to be any better in terms of Global issues with this pandemic. It’s going to be what you can make of it.
Yes, I think this point--that the year is going to be what we make of it--is really important. Things are not suddenly going to snap back to normal, but we'll have opportunities to make the year better than the last...and I believe in taking them.
We also had that opportunity in 2020. Many Peoples lives are still going to suck and be destroyed in 2021 is my whole point. Even more so than 2020.
I'm sorry; I genuinely didn't mean to misinterpret what you meant. 
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Sash
Posted by lululu
Posted by Momma2015
Posted by klingklang77
That being said, why didn’t the US block travel from the UK? We have been in strict lockdown for about 2 months. It’s the only thing that’s working.
I think we all know the reason- lack of real leadership.
This is silly. To think that just because the strain was first discovered in the UK would mean it was isolated to the UK is ridiculous. I am sure it is and was all throughout Europe and most of the rest of the world by the time it was "discovered." The same way there are early cases of known COVID in the US before we even knew it existed in China. Locking down the US borders from the UK only would have done nothing to stop the new strain from spreading here.
I know it is silly to say. It’s like the people in families arguing over who gave Covid to whom first because they make the assumption the first person to show symptoms is the one who spread it. People are so illogical with their rationale when it comes to this virus. Actually my friend just came back last week from spending time in Germany with her family.
Maybe she brought the new strain here!
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But I thought Germany did everything right when it comes to this virus and only the US effs everything up?
Nobody said they do everything right here. I’ve been happy with how they have handled it, but somethings could have needed more work. The US just hasn’t done it as well as some other countries, like NZ or AU.
That’s right people can travel to the US from Germany and vice versa. Nobody said they couldn’t. There is paperwork involved and self isolation. Don’t know if your friend self isolated coming here, but she had to register somehow. You don’t just get on a plane and fly here. There is always a form to fill out from a non-EU country. Now there is an extra one. I’ve never had a happy border guard here. They look extensively at my passport and residency. There’s almost always paperwork involved with registering for almost everything in Germany.
But they closed travel with the UK almost completely recently. I mean there’s another thread on here asking about activities to do over winter break. I was surprised because all of that is closed here. Sorry, but now our second wave is going down. It’s working IMO.
We also can't keep closing things down as people are continually losing their jobs and we don't get money like other countries are getting.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by oldtimerocknroll
2021 is not going to be any better in terms of Global issues with this pandemic. It’s going to be what you can make of it.
Yes, I think this point--that the year is going to be what we make of it--is really important. Things are not suddenly going to snap back to normal, but we'll have opportunities to make the year better than the last...and I believe in taking them.
We also had that opportunity in 2020. Many Peoples lives are still going to suck and be destroyed in 2021 is my whole point. Even more so than 2020.
I'm sorry; I genuinely didn't mean to misinterpret what you meant.
Awe, no need to apologize. Sorry if my response came off b!tchy. Lol.
I just feel like many people (not saying you) are not realizing what is happening because a vaccine is out and so focused on #s. They are forgetting that food banks are running out of food, people are seriously wondering how they are going to feed their families for the next meal. I’ve been donating and volunteering over the holidays and it’s brought me to tears. One of my friends had to close his business after working for years to fulfill his dream. He couldn’t recover from the first shutdown.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by Sash
Posted by oldtimerocknroll
2021 is not going to be any better in terms of Global issues with this pandemic. It’s going to be what you can make of it.
Yes, I think this point--that the year is going to be what we make of it--is really important. Things are not suddenly going to snap back to normal, but we'll have opportunities to make the year better than the last...and I believe in taking them.
We also had that opportunity in 2020. Many Peoples lives are still going to suck and be destroyed in 2021 is my whole point. Even more so than 2020.
I'm sorry; I genuinely didn't mean to misinterpret what you meant.
Awe, no need to apologize. Sorry if my response came off b!tchy. Lol.
I just feel like many people (not saying you) are not realizing what is happening because a vaccine is out and so focused on #s. They are forgetting that food banks are running out of food, people are seriously wondering how they are going to feed their families for the next meal. I’ve been donating and volunteering over the holidays and it’s brought me to tears. One of my friends had to close his business after working for years to fulfill his dream. He couldn’t recover from the first shutdown.
Exactly 
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Sash
Posted by oldtimerocknroll
Posted by Sash
Posted by oldtimerocknroll
2021 is not going to be any better in terms of Global issues with this pandemic. It’s going to be what you can make of it.
Yes, I think this point--that the year is going to be what we make of it--is really important. Things are not suddenly going to snap back to normal, but we'll have opportunities to make the year better than the last...and I believe in taking them.
We also had that opportunity in 2020. Many Peoples lives are still going to suck and be destroyed in 2021 is my whole point. Even more so than 2020.
I'm sorry; I genuinely didn't mean to misinterpret what you meant.
Awe, no need to apologize. Sorry if my response came off b!tchy. Lol.
I just feel like many people (not saying you) are not realizing what is happening because a vaccine is out and so focused on #s. They are forgetting that food banks are running out of food, people are seriously wondering how they are going to feed their families for the next meal. I’ve been donating and volunteering over the holidays and it’s brought me to tears. One of my friends had to close his business after working for years to fulfill his dream. He couldn’t recover from the first shutdown.
No need to apologize either! All is good 
I agree with what you're saying here too. I'm so sorry about your friend, really heartbreaking.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses? 
Honestly, do they really know? If it was so effective, why do you still have to wear a mask? Why is there no end time for them if you get the vaccine?
Simple science and math... if a vaccine is 95% effective then only 95 people out of every 100 will be protected. Who are the 5 still at risk? We don't know so unless the vaccinated continue to wear masks until we achieve some herd immunity, 5% of those immunized will still be at risk and can spread the virus. As for the anti-vaccine people, those of us who believe in science and in acting for the good of BOTH ourselves and others, we'll do the job for all you selfish individuals.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Since this thing started I’ve been going by the Spanish flu timeline. With no medicines or vaccines their only defense was masks and social distancing. The worst of it was the first fall. It was mostly over in about 2 years. I have a lot of hope that due to the vaccine and modern medicine there is an end. We are at the beginning of the end now. Don’t lose hope
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Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
Honestly, do they really know? If it was so effective, why do you still have to wear a mask? Why is there no end time for them if you get the vaccine?
Simple science and math... if a vaccine is 95% effective then only 95 people out of every 100 will be protected. Who are the 5 still at risk? We don't know so unless the vaccinated continue to wear masks until we achieve some herd immunity, 5% of those immunized will still be at risk and can spread the virus. As for the anti-vaccine people, those of us who believe in science and in acting for the good of BOTH ourselves and others, we'll do the job for all you selfish individuals.
I don't consider someone who does not want the vaccine selfish.
The public is being used as a guinea pig and the flu shot is not even 95% effective so how can you believe this, that has NOT been out for more than a few months and truly can't tell if it works yet, is 95% effective?
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by pnbplus1
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
Honestly, do they really know? If it was so effective, why do you still have to wear a mask? Why is there no end time for them if you get the vaccine?
Simple science and math... if a vaccine is 95% effective then only 95 people out of every 100 will be protected. Who are the 5 still at risk? We don't know so unless the vaccinated continue to wear masks until we achieve some herd immunity, 5% of those immunized will still be at risk and can spread the virus. As for the anti-vaccine people, those of us who believe in science and in acting for the good of BOTH ourselves and others, we'll do the job for all you selfish individuals.
So are you saying people who are not running out to get this vaccine are selfish?
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Posted by Jenn79
Since this thing started I’ve been going by the Spanish flu timeline. With no medicines or vaccines their only defense was masks and social distancing. The worst of it was the first fall. It was mostly over in about 2 years. I have a lot of hope that due to the vaccine and modern medicine there is an end. We are at the beginning of the end now. Don’t lose hope
Exactly and we know more now how to take care of illnesses then we did back then.
If you notice, many cases are considered covid pneumonia, which it originally was called. If any illness gets too far, it can and will turn into pneumonia. To fix this, we need to stop the cold before it gets too far with taking care of our immune system and getting to the doctor before it gets too bad.
Everybody wants a quick cure to anything, weight loss, stopping smoking, etc and now they think a vaccine will just stop it all. The flu vaccine doesn't always work either. This one might not either.
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Well that escalated quickly
I do not think someone being leary of the vaccine is selfish. What I find selfish are the people who refuse the vaccine, but also do not believe in mask wearing and social distancing, think this is the flu, and want life back to normal with no vaccine. Doesn't work that way. I am not saying this is anyone on here, but I have experienced these people on social media.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Sash
Posted by lululu
Posted by Momma2015
Posted by klingklang77
That being said, why didn’t the US block travel from the UK? We have been in strict lockdown for about 2 months. It’s the only thing that’s working.
I think we all know the reason- lack of real leadership.
This is silly. To think that just because the strain was first discovered in the UK would mean it was isolated to the UK is ridiculous. I am sure it is and was all throughout Europe and most of the rest of the world by the time it was "discovered." The same way there are early cases of known COVID in the US before we even knew it existed in China. Locking down the US borders from the UK only would have done nothing to stop the new strain from spreading here.
I know it is silly to say. It’s like the people in families arguing over who gave Covid to whom first because they make the assumption the first person to show symptoms is the one who spread it. People are so illogical with their rationale when it comes to this virus. Actually my friend just came back last week from spending time in Germany with her family.
Maybe she brought the new strain here!
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But I thought Germany did everything right when it comes to this virus and only the US effs everything up?
Nobody said they do everything right here. I’ve been happy with how they have handled it, but somethings could have needed more work. The US just hasn’t done it as well as some other countries, like NZ or AU.
That’s right people can travel to the US from Germany and vice versa. Nobody said they couldn’t. There is paperwork involved and self isolation. Don’t know if your friend self isolated coming here, but she had to register somehow. You don’t just get on a plane and fly here. There is always a form to fill out from a non-EU country. Now there is an extra one. I’ve never had a happy border guard here. They look extensively at my passport and residency. There’s almost always paperwork involved with registering for almost everything in Germany.
But they closed travel with the UK almost completely recently. I mean there’s another thread on here asking about activities to do over winter break. I was surprised because all of that is closed here. Sorry, but now our second wave is going down. It’s working IMO.
We also can't keep closing things down as people are continually losing their jobs and we don't get money like other countries are getting.
Then what do you suggest? Sure people’s mental health is falling, but is it going to get back if we just open things up and stop restrictions? Then the virus runs around and more people die. Then mental health gets worse. Oh and there’s probably a lack of social workers to deal with all the mental health issues.
I don’t know what the answer is and I am not sure if anyone else does, but we are simply stuck. Most of the world is stuck. It is a pandemic. I have no answers, but I do think that health is the number one priority, so there’s that.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Jenn79
Since this thing started I’ve been going by the Spanish flu timeline. With no medicines or vaccines their only defense was masks and social distancing. The worst of it was the first fall. It was mostly over in about 2 years. I have a lot of hope that due to the vaccine and modern medicine there is an end. We are at the beginning of the end now. Don’t lose hope
Exactly and we know more now how to take care of illnesses then we did back then.
If you notice, many cases are considered covid pneumonia, which it originally was called. If any illness gets too far, it can and will turn into pneumonia. To fix this, we need to stop the cold before it gets too far with taking care of our immune system and getting to the doctor before it gets too bad.
Everybody wants a quick cure to anything, weight loss, stopping smoking, etc and now they think a vaccine will just stop it all. The flu vaccine doesn't always work either. This one might not either.
I mean, weight loss is nothing like covid but ok. Nobody wants a quick cure to just anything. You have said on many occasions that your youngest child is graduating from high school in June, and that you and your husband have kept your jobs this whole time. That is not the case for MANY Americans. So excuse people for being desperate for something that could give them their lives back. Hospitals in California or at 0% ICU capacity...but just open it all up with no vaccine, right?
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by pnbplus1
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
Honestly, do they really know? If it was so effective, why do you still have to wear a mask? Why is there no end time for them if you get the vaccine?
Simple science and math... if a vaccine is 95% effective then only 95 people out of every 100 will be protected. Who are the 5 still at risk? We don't know so unless the vaccinated continue to wear masks until we achieve some herd immunity, 5% of those immunized will still be at risk and can spread the virus. As for the anti-vaccine people, those of us who believe in science and in acting for the good of BOTH ourselves and others, we'll do the job for all you selfish individuals.
So are you saying people who are not running out to get this vaccine are selfish?
That’s exactly what she is saying.
And I’m so sick and tired of people using the word anti-vaxers. I’m not an anti-vaxer, right now I’m hesitant about a rush to market vaccine. If you have to call me anti something then call me temporarily anti-Covid vaxer or anti- big corporations who no matter what will always push their agenda.
How many of these people get the flu vaccine yearly or vaccinating their kids for HPv? For years my friends, family and coworkers would mock me for getting the flu vaccine and say that doesn’t work. “Westerners” are so into to drugs and vaccines and now all of sudden these same people are pro vaccine and I’m the anti-vaxer? Give me a break. I wish we could stop with the labels.
This is why I have been following the fellow posters updates because I’m genuinely curious and don’t know anyone who has gotten the vaccine yet.
But yes.. go save the world and the lives of others.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by pnbplus1
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
Honestly, do they really know? If it was so effective, why do you still have to wear a mask? Why is there no end time for them if you get the vaccine?
Simple science and math... if a vaccine is 95% effective then only 95 people out of every 100 will be protected. Who are the 5 still at risk? We don't know so unless the vaccinated continue to wear masks until we achieve some herd immunity, 5% of those immunized will still be at risk and can spread the virus. As for the anti-vaccine people, those of us who believe in science and in acting for the good of BOTH ourselves and others, we'll do the job for all you selfish individuals.
I don't consider someone who does not want the vaccine selfish.
The public is being used as a guinea pig and the flu shot is not even 95% effective so how can you believe this, that has NOT been out for more than a few months and truly can't tell if it works yet, is 95% effective?
The public isn't being used as a guinea pig - those in the clinical trials were willingly used as guinea pigs. The data is there as to it's efficacy. Why would you compare the flu shot to the covid vaccine??? How does that even make any rational sense? They aren't the same thing and werent produced the same way. The flu shot doesn't claim 95% efficacy.
And in the midst of a global pandemic where others are suffering because of lost emplyment, struggle to feed their families, suffer medical consequences and even death from Covid, and people's lives everywhere have been disrupted - not getting a vaccine that has so far been deemed safe is nothing short of selfish (with the exception of those for whom the vaccine may be contraindicated.) Aside from choosing to be stuck at home to avoid infection we luckliy haven't suffered any setbacks - employment/salary remains the same, we work from the comforts of our home, have everything we need and then some, are healthy, happy etc etc etc. and yet I would not want to risk getting sick or even worse getting anyone else sick and so as soon as I can, I will get the vaccine because it's not just about me.
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| Posted 12/29/20 4:08 PM |
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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That being said, why didn’t the US block travel from the UK? We have been in strict lockdown for about 2 months. It’s the only thing that’s working.
I think we all know the reason- lack of real leadership.
This is silly. To think that just because the strain was first discovered in the UK would mean it was isolated to the UK is ridiculous. I am sure it is and was all throughout Europe and most of the rest of the world by the time it was "discovered." The same way there are early cases of known COVID in the US before we even knew it existed in China. Locking down the US borders from the UK only would have done nothing to stop the new strain from spreading here.
I know it is silly to say. It’s like the people in families arguing over who gave Covid to whom first because they make the assumption the first person to show symptoms is the one who spread it. People are so illogical with their rationale when it comes to this virus. Actually my friend just came back last week from spending time in Germany with her family.
Maybe she brought the new strain here!
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But I thought Germany did everything right when it comes to this virus and only the US effs everything up?
Nobody said they do everything right here. I’ve been happy with how they have handled it, but somethings could have needed more work. The US just hasn’t done it as well as some other countries, like NZ or AU.
That’s right people can travel to the US from Germany and vice versa. Nobody said they couldn’t. There is paperwork involved and self isolation. Don’t know if your friend self isolated coming here, but she had to register somehow. You don’t just get on a plane and fly here. There is always a form to fill out from a non-EU country. Now there is an extra one. I’ve never had a happy border guard here. They look extensively at my passport and residency. There’s almost always paperwork involved with registering for almost everything in Germany.
But they closed travel with the UK almost completely recently. I mean there’s another thread on here asking about activities to do over winter break. I was surprised because all of that is closed here. Sorry, but now our second wave is going down. It’s working IMO.
We also can't keep closing things down as people are continually losing their jobs and we don't get money like other countries are getting.
Then what do you suggest? Sure people’s mental health is falling, but is it going to get back if we just open things up and stop restrictions? Then the virus runs around and more people die. Then mental health gets worse. Oh and there’s probably a lack of social workers to deal with all the mental health issues.
I don’t know what the answer is and I am not sure if anyone else does, but we are simply stuck. Most of the world is stuck. It is a pandemic. I have no answers, but I do think that health is the number one priority, so there’s that.
People are killing themselves, not just having their mental health failing to the point they can get it back. People will soon not only lose their jobs but their homes and lives. What happens to unemployed people in 11 weeks when they get nothing and can't find a job?
The answer is to take care of yourself (in general) as this is not going to go away, just like every other illness.
Everyone wants a quick fix to everything in life and it doesn't work that way.
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| Posted 12/29/20 4:09 PM |
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Naturalmama
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Since this thing started I’ve been going by the Spanish flu timeline. With no medicines or vaccines their only defense was masks and social distancing. The worst of it was the first fall. It was mostly over in about 2 years. I have a lot of hope that due to the vaccine and modern medicine there is an end. We are at the beginning of the end now. Don’t lose hope
Exactly and we know more now how to take care of illnesses then we did back then.
If you notice, many cases are considered covid pneumonia, which it originally was called. If any illness gets too far, it can and will turn into pneumonia. To fix this, we need to stop the cold before it gets too far with taking care of our immune system and getting to the doctor before it gets too bad.
Everybody wants a quick cure to anything, weight loss, stopping smoking, etc and now they think a vaccine will just stop it all. The flu vaccine doesn't always work either. This one might not either.
I mean, weight loss is nothing like covid but ok. Nobody wants a quick cure to just anything. You have said on many occasions that your youngest child is graduating from high school in June, and that you and your husband have kept your jobs this whole time. That is not the case for MANY Americans. So excuse people for being desperate for something that could give them their lives back. Hospitals in California or at 0% ICU capacity...but just open it all up with no vaccine, right?
You missed the point of a quick fix, not comparing weight loss to covid.
Yes we have been blessed but I also have an older child who is unemployed as their job closed down and has not opened up back again. I understand what is going on and it is not good.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Naturalmama
I do not think someone being leary of the vaccine is selfish. What I find selfish are the people who refuse the vaccine, but also do not believe in mask wearing and social distancing, think this is the flu, and want life back to normal with no vaccine. Doesn't work that way. I am not saying this is anyone on here, but I have experienced these people on social media.
I also see both extreme sides of people on social media. At the end of the day life regardless is not going back to normal anytime soon. I hope the Vaccine works but I do feel like many are hesitant and even if everyone starts getting it they won’t continue to get it like the flu shot. So it’s going to be a long while and I feel like in September we will see spikes again.
As much as I hate them, Masks need to stay but I do think people need to start seeing their families and the economy / schools need to Open at 100%. Stimulus money is a band aid for gunshot wound that is going to make everything worse in the long run.
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