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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses? 
Honestly, do they really know? If it was so effective, why do you still have to wear a mask? Why is there no end time for them if you get the vaccine?
Simple science and math... if a vaccine is 95% effective then only 95 people out of every 100 will be protected. Who are the 5 still at risk? We don't know so unless the vaccinated continue to wear masks until we achieve some herd immunity, 5% of those immunized will still be at risk and can spread the virus. As for the anti-vaccine people, those of us who believe in science and in acting for the good of BOTH ourselves and others, we'll do the job for all you selfish individuals.
So are you saying people who are not running out to get this vaccine are selfish?
That’s exactly what she is saying.
And I’m so sick and tired of people using the word anti-vaxers. I’m not an anti-vaxer, right now I’m hesitant about a rush to market vaccine. If you have to call me anti something then call me temporarily anti-Covid vaxer or anti- big corporations who no matter what will always push their agenda.
How many of these people get the flu vaccine yearly or vaccinating their kids for HPv? For years my friends, family and coworkers would mock me for getting the flu vaccine and say that doesn’t work. “Westerners” are so into to drugs and vaccines and now all of sudden these same people are pro vaccine and I’m the anti-vaxer? Give me a break. I wish we could stop with the labels.
This is why I have been following the fellow posters updates because I’m genuinely curious and don’t know anyone who has gotten the vaccine yet.
But yes.. go save the world and the lives of others. 
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
Honestly, do they really know? If it was so effective, why do you still have to wear a mask? Why is there no end time for them if you get the vaccine?
Simple science and math... if a vaccine is 95% effective then only 95 people out of every 100 will be protected. Who are the 5 still at risk? We don't know so unless the vaccinated continue to wear masks until we achieve some herd immunity, 5% of those immunized will still be at risk and can spread the virus. As for the anti-vaccine people, those of us who believe in science and in acting for the good of BOTH ourselves and others, we'll do the job for all you selfish individuals.
I don't consider someone who does not want the vaccine selfish.
The public is being used as a guinea pig and the flu shot is not even 95% effective so how can you believe this, that has NOT been out for more than a few months and truly can't tell if it works yet, is 95% effective?
The public isn't being used as a guinea pig - those in the clinical trials were willingly used as guinea pigs. The data is there as to it's efficacy. Why would you compare the flu shot to the covid vaccine??? How does that even make any rational sense? They aren't the same thing and werent produced the same way. The flu shot doesn't claim 95% efficacy.
And in the midst of a global pandemic where others are suffering because of lost emplyment, struggle to feed their families, suffer medical consequences and even death from Covid, and people's lives everywhere have been disrupted - not getting a vaccine that has so far been deemed safe is nothing short of selfish (with the exception of those for whom the vaccine may be contraindicated.) Aside from choosing to be stuck at home to avoid infection we luckliy haven't suffered any setbacks - employment/salary remains the same, we work from the comforts of our home, have everything we need and then some, are healthy, happy etc etc etc. and yet I would not want to risk getting sick or even worse getting anyone else sick and so as soon as I can, I will get the vaccine because it's not just about me.
The trials have been less than a year, just a few months so yes, all taking it are guinea pigs.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
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Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
Honestly, do they really know? If it was so effective, why do you still have to wear a mask? Why is there no end time for them if you get the vaccine?
Simple science and math... if a vaccine is 95% effective then only 95 people out of every 100 will be protected. Who are the 5 still at risk? We don't know so unless the vaccinated continue to wear masks until we achieve some herd immunity, 5% of those immunized will still be at risk and can spread the virus. As for the anti-vaccine people, those of us who believe in science and in acting for the good of BOTH ourselves and others, we'll do the job for all you selfish individuals.
I don't consider someone who does not want the vaccine selfish.
The public is being used as a guinea pig and the flu shot is not even 95% effective so how can you believe this, that has NOT been out for more than a few months and truly can't tell if it works yet, is 95% effective?
The public isn't being used as a guinea pig - those in the clinical trials were willingly used as guinea pigs. The data is there as to it's efficacy. Why would you compare the flu shot to the covid vaccine??? How does that even make any rational sense? They aren't the same thing and werent produced the same way. The flu shot doesn't claim 95% efficacy.
And in the midst of a global pandemic where others are suffering because of lost emplyment, struggle to feed their families, suffer medical consequences and even death from Covid, and people's lives everywhere have been disrupted - not getting a vaccine that has so far been deemed safe is nothing short of selfish (with the exception of those for whom the vaccine may be contraindicated.) Aside from choosing to be stuck at home to avoid infection we luckliy haven't suffered any setbacks - employment/salary remains the same, we work from the comforts of our home, have everything we need and then some, are healthy, happy etc etc etc. and yet I would not want to risk getting sick or even worse getting anyone else sick and so as soon as I can, I will get the vaccine because it's not just about me.
The trials have been less than a year, just a few months so yes, all taking it are guinea pigs.
Well then I'd rather be a guinea pig of a vaccine with many knowns, then a guinea pig of Covid and all it's unknowns.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by pnbplus1
Posted by valentinesbaby48
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Posted by pnbplus1
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
Honestly, do they really know? If it was so effective, why do you still have to wear a mask? Why is there no end time for them if you get the vaccine?
Simple science and math... if a vaccine is 95% effective then only 95 people out of every 100 will be protected. Who are the 5 still at risk? We don't know so unless the vaccinated continue to wear masks until we achieve some herd immunity, 5% of those immunized will still be at risk and can spread the virus. As for the anti-vaccine people, those of us who believe in science and in acting for the good of BOTH ourselves and others, we'll do the job for all you selfish individuals.
I don't consider someone who does not want the vaccine selfish.
The public is being used as a guinea pig and the flu shot is not even 95% effective so how can you believe this, that has NOT been out for more than a few months and truly can't tell if it works yet, is 95% effective?
The public isn't being used as a guinea pig - those in the clinical trials were willingly used as guinea pigs. The data is there as to it's efficacy. Why would you compare the flu shot to the covid vaccine??? How does that even make any rational sense? They aren't the same thing and werent produced the same way. The flu shot doesn't claim 95% efficacy.
And in the midst of a global pandemic where others are suffering because of lost emplyment, struggle to feed their families, suffer medical consequences and even death from Covid, and people's lives everywhere have been disrupted - not getting a vaccine that has so far been deemed safe is nothing short of selfish (with the exception of those for whom the vaccine may be contraindicated.) Aside from choosing to be stuck at home to avoid infection we luckliy haven't suffered any setbacks - employment/salary remains the same, we work from the comforts of our home, have everything we need and then some, are healthy, happy etc etc etc. and yet I would not want to risk getting sick or even worse getting anyone else sick and so as soon as I can, I will get the vaccine because it's not just about me.
The trials have been less than a year, just a few months so yes, all taking it are guinea pigs.
Well then I'd rather be a guinea pig of a vaccine with many knowns, then a guinea pig of Covid and all it's unknowns.
Nope I would take my risk with COVID than with the vaccine at this point.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PitterPatter11
The new strain does not diminish the effectiveness of the vaccine.
How effective is it if you need to get more than one shot and you still have to wear a mask until god knows when?
They know NOTHING about this vaccine.
This is false.
Many vaccines require more than one dose initially to achieve ideal immune response.
They know it is effective in drastically reducing symptomatic covid-19. They have not done thorough testing on asymptomatic covid-19 due to the fact that testing 30-40K people regularly is not something that they can do in the midst of the pandemic when testing supplies are low.
You need to wear a mask for now since they have not ruled out that the vaccine prevents people from getting asymptomatic covid 19 and potentially spreading it.
Read the research papers.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by pnbplus1
Posted by valentinesbaby48
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Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by pnbplus1
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
Honestly, do they really know? If it was so effective, why do you still have to wear a mask? Why is there no end time for them if you get the vaccine?
Simple science and math... if a vaccine is 95% effective then only 95 people out of every 100 will be protected. Who are the 5 still at risk? We don't know so unless the vaccinated continue to wear masks until we achieve some herd immunity, 5% of those immunized will still be at risk and can spread the virus. As for the anti-vaccine people, those of us who believe in science and in acting for the good of BOTH ourselves and others, we'll do the job for all you selfish individuals.
I don't consider someone who does not want the vaccine selfish.
The public is being used as a guinea pig and the flu shot is not even 95% effective so how can you believe this, that has NOT been out for more than a few months and truly can't tell if it works yet, is 95% effective?
The public isn't being used as a guinea pig - those in the clinical trials were willingly used as guinea pigs. The data is there as to it's efficacy. Why would you compare the flu shot to the covid vaccine??? How does that even make any rational sense? They aren't the same thing and werent produced the same way. The flu shot doesn't claim 95% efficacy.
And in the midst of a global pandemic where others are suffering because of lost emplyment, struggle to feed their families, suffer medical consequences and even death from Covid, and people's lives everywhere have been disrupted - not getting a vaccine that has so far been deemed safe is nothing short of selfish (with the exception of those for whom the vaccine may be contraindicated.) Aside from choosing to be stuck at home to avoid infection we luckliy haven't suffered any setbacks - employment/salary remains the same, we work from the comforts of our home, have everything we need and then some, are healthy, happy etc etc etc. and yet I would not want to risk getting sick or even worse getting anyone else sick and so as soon as I can, I will get the vaccine because it's not just about me.
The trials have been less than a year, just a few months so yes, all taking it are guinea pigs.
Well then I'd rather be a guinea pig of a vaccine with many knowns, then a guinea pig of Covid and all it's unknowns.
Nope I would take my risk with COVID than with the vaccine at this point.
I agree as they know so much more now than they did 10 months ago and that is why less people are dying.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby48
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The new strain does not diminish the effectiveness of the vaccine.
How effective is it if you need to get more than one shot and you still have to wear a mask until god knows when?
They know NOTHING about this vaccine.
This is false.
Many vaccines require more than one dose initially to achieve ideal immune response.
They know it is effective in drastically reducing symptomatic covid-19. They have not done thorough testing on asymptomatic covid-19 due to the fact that testing 30-40K people regularly is not something that they can do in the midst of the pandemic when testing supplies are low.
You need to wear a mask for now since they have not ruled out that the vaccine prevents people from getting asymptomatic covid 19 and potentially spreading it.
Read the research papers.
So with the vaccine you can still get it but they don't know how badly. Soooooo basically they don't know and people are running for something that they truly don't know what it will do to their bodies. With Covid they give you the same things that stop and cure a cold. People need to boost their immune systems up all the time with these things, not just when things get this bad. That is the problem.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PitterPatter11
The new strain does not diminish the effectiveness of the vaccine.
How effective is it if you need to get more than one shot and you still have to wear a mask until god knows when?
They know NOTHING about this vaccine.
This is false.
Many vaccines require more than one dose initially to achieve ideal immune response.
They know it is effective in drastically reducing symptomatic covid-19. They have not done thorough testing on asymptomatic covid-19 due to the fact that testing 30-40K people regularly is not something that they can do in the midst of the pandemic when testing supplies are low.
You need to wear a mask for now since they have not ruled out that the vaccine prevents people from getting asymptomatic covid 19 and potentially spreading it.
Read the research papers.
So with the vaccine you can still get it but they don't know how badly. Soooooo basically they don't know and people are running for something that they truly don't know what it will do to their bodies. With Covid they give you the same things that stop and cure a cold. People need to boost their immune systems up all the time with these things, not just when things get this bad. That is the problem.
They do not know if you can still get it because they didn’t regularly test all participants. They tested participants only when they exhibited symptoms. Therefore it is possible that people in the vaccine arm COULD have been asymptomatic. Moderna has limited data, which says that people in the vaccine arm most likely did not contract the virus as they tested before the second dose.
Also the mRNA vaccine works on principles from basic HS biology. It carries the viral spike protein message to your Ribosomes. Your ribosomes then make the spike proteins and mRNA breaks down. The mRNA is a series of nucleotides that your ribosomes read millions of times per day.
Again, read the data from the clinical trials.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PitterPatter11
The new strain does not diminish the effectiveness of the vaccine.
How effective is it if you need to get more than one shot and you still have to wear a mask until god knows when?
They know NOTHING about this vaccine.
This is false.
Many vaccines require more than one dose initially to achieve ideal immune response.
They know it is effective in drastically reducing symptomatic covid-19. They have not done thorough testing on asymptomatic covid-19 due to the fact that testing 30-40K people regularly is not something that they can do in the midst of the pandemic when testing supplies are low.
You need to wear a mask for now since they have not ruled out that the vaccine prevents people from getting asymptomatic covid 19 and potentially spreading it.
Read the research papers.
So with the vaccine you can still get it but they don't know how badly. Soooooo basically they don't know and people are running for something that they truly don't know what it will do to their bodies. With Covid they give you the same things that stop and cure a cold. People need to boost their immune systems up all the time with these things, not just when things get this bad. That is the problem.
They do not know if you can still get it because they didn’t regularly test all participants. They tested participants only when they exhibited symptoms. Therefore it is possible that people in the vaccine arm COULD have been asymptomatic. Moderna has limited data, which says that people in the vaccine arm most likely did not contract the virus as they tested before the second dose.
Also the mRNA vaccine works on principles from basic HS biology. It carries the viral spike protein message to your Ribosomes. Your ribosomes then make the spike proteins and mRNA breaks down. The mRNA is a series of nucleotides that your ribosomes read millions of times per day.
Again, read the data from the clinical trials.
Thanks. I will wait to see what happens before I make my decision.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Jenn79
Since this thing started I’ve been going by the Spanish flu timeline. With no medicines or vaccines their only defense was masks and social distancing. The worst of it was the first fall. It was mostly over in about 2 years. I have a lot of hope that due to the vaccine and modern medicine there is an end. We are at the beginning of the end now. Don’t lose hope 
We've been using that timeline here as well. We are looking toward August/September 2021 for planning things like full time in person learning at school.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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2021 is not going to be any better in terms of Global issues with this pandemic. It’s going to be what you can make of it.
Yes, I think this point--that the year is going to be what we make of it--is really important. Things are not suddenly going to snap back to normal, but we'll have opportunities to make the year better than the last...and I believe in taking them.
We also had that opportunity in 2020. Many Peoples lives are still going to suck and be destroyed in 2021 is my whole point. Even more so than 2020.
I'm sorry; I genuinely didn't mean to misinterpret what you meant. 
Awe, no need to apologize. Sorry if my response came off b!tchy. Lol.
I just feel like many people (not saying you) are not realizing what is happening because a vaccine is out and so focused on #s. They are forgetting that food banks are running out of food, people are seriously wondering how they are going to feed their families for the next meal. I’ve been donating and volunteering over the holidays and it’s brought me to tears. One of my friends had to close his business after working for years to fulfill his dream. He couldn’t recover from the first shutdown.
It breaks my heart! I know quite a few that had no other choice but to close down their businesses. I really can’t even imagine what these families are going through! 
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by pnbplus1
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
Honestly, do they really know? If it was so effective, why do you still have to wear a mask? Why is there no end time for them if you get the vaccine?
Simple science and math... if a vaccine is 95% effective then only 95 people out of every 100 will be protected. Who are the 5 still at risk? We don't know so unless the vaccinated continue to wear masks until we achieve some herd immunity, 5% of those immunized will still be at risk and can spread the virus. As for the anti-vaccine people, those of us who believe in science and in acting for the good of BOTH ourselves and others, we'll do the job for all you selfish individuals.
That’s not how the effectiveness is suppose to work. X amount of effectiveness does not translate into herd immunity, it has to do which how much “immunity” a vaccine can bring to ur body against a specific virus. Also how again can we achieve herd immunity with a vaccine but not naturally? There are endless numbers of people that have had the virus already including asymptomatic individuals that never even knew they contracted covid but yet a vaccine that it’s not equipped to even stop the spread or prevent us from getting the virus is suppose to bring us herd immunity to all?!? And btw, this vaccine does not guarantee that u won’t get the virus...again.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Jenn79
Since this thing started I’ve been going by the Spanish flu timeline. With no medicines or vaccines their only defense was masks and social distancing. The worst of it was the first fall. It was mostly over in about 2 years. I have a lot of hope that due to the vaccine and modern medicine there is an end. We are at the beginning of the end now. Don’t lose hope
Right. Viruses tend to work that way. New viruses (new to humans not to the world) tend to hit hard at first until our bodies adapt to them and they become less severe, which happens with time. It has happened this way for a long, long time and yet humans have not become extinct. The thing that’s different though is that back then all these fast food chain restaurants, processed food, GMOs, etc. didn’t exist, their diet was more wholesome. I wish more resources and investments were dedicated into providing healthier habits to the people, educate everyone how to better take care of ourselves and how to make better choices so our first defense (our immune system) can be stronger and more robust. It’s sad when u hear how people in America are sicker than other developed countries.
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Well that escalated quickly
Natural herd immunity would result in excessive deaths and a complete collapse of the healthcare system. No other virus in our lifetime has caused almost 400,000 deaths in one country in 10 months. No other virus has caused overburdened hospitals from having to ration care. In California and in the UK people are dying in hallways and in ambulances. Do people really believe all these people died because they liked to eat McDonald's?
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Jenn79
Since this thing started I’ve been going by the Spanish flu timeline. With no medicines or vaccines their only defense was masks and social distancing. The worst of it was the first fall. It was mostly over in about 2 years. I have a lot of hope that due to the vaccine and modern medicine there is an end. We are at the beginning of the end now. Don’t lose hope
Right. Viruses tend to work that way. New viruses (new to humans not to the world) tend to hit hard at first until our bodies adapt to them and they become less severe, which happens with time. It has happened this way for a long, long time and yet humans have not become extinct. The thing that’s different though is that back then all these fast food chain restaurants, processed food, GMOs, etc. didn’t exist, their diet was more wholesome. I wish more resources and investments were dedicated into providing healthier habits to the people, educate everyone how to better take care of ourselves and how to make better choices so our first defense (our immune system) can be stronger and more robust. It’s sad when u hear how people in America are sicker than other developed countries.
Maybe if healthier food was less expensive like fast food is. That is whey we have such an obese society (hence why so many are getting sick with this virus).
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Naturalmama
Natural herd immunity would result in excessive deaths and a complete collapse of the healthcare system. No other virus in our lifetime has caused almost 400,000 deaths in one country in 10 months. No other virus has caused overburdened hospitals from having to ration care. In California and in the UK people are dying in hallways and in ambulances. Do people really believe all these people died because they liked to eat McDonald's?
Yes, people who have not taken care of themselves is a huge majority. Obese, diabetics have more of a chance of getting it and being more sick. People who have other underlying conditions. Smokers.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Naturalmama
Natural herd immunity would result in excessive deaths and a complete collapse of the healthcare system. No other virus in our lifetime has caused almost 400,000 deaths in one country in 10 months. No other virus has caused overburdened hospitals from having to ration care. In California and in the UK people are dying in hallways and in ambulances. Do people really believe all these people died because they liked to eat McDonald's?
50 million people died in the pandemic of 1918 which was in 3 waves and lasted about a year.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Natural herd immunity would result in excessive deaths and a complete collapse of the healthcare system. No other virus in our lifetime has caused almost 400,000 deaths in one country in 10 months. No other virus has caused overburdened hospitals from having to ration care. In California and in the UK people are dying in hallways and in ambulances. Do people really believe all these people died because they liked to eat McDonald's?
Yes, people who have not taken care of themselves is a huge majority. Obese, diabetics have more of a chance of getting it and being more sick. People who have other underlying conditions. Smokers.
Not all people who suffer from obesity and diabetes did it to themselves. That's an ignorant thing to say. My uncle has a heart condition. My dad is type 1 diabetic. My friends 3 year old is a type 1 diabetic. Are these people disposable? Even people who don't eat healthy or who smoke...that doesn't make them deserving of death. Natural herd immunity would still cause unbelievable suffering. But, to each his own. Nobody's mind is being changed here.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Natural herd immunity would result in excessive deaths and a complete collapse of the healthcare system. No other virus in our lifetime has caused almost 400,000 deaths in one country in 10 months. No other virus has caused overburdened hospitals from having to ration care. In California and in the UK people are dying in hallways and in ambulances. Do people really believe all these people died because they liked to eat McDonald's?
50 million people died in the pandemic of 1918 which was in 3 waves and lasted about a year.
50 million in just the US? And nobody alive today was alive in 1918...that wasn't our lifetime. If you think hospitals are lying, more power to you. I hope nobody you love is ever left to die in an ambulance outside a hospital because there was no room for them inside.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by Naturalmama
Natural herd immunity would result in excessive deaths and a complete collapse of the healthcare system. No other virus in our lifetime has caused almost 400,000 deaths in one country in 10 months. No other virus has caused overburdened hospitals from having to ration care. In California and in the UK people are dying in hallways and in ambulances. Do people really believe all these people died because they liked to eat McDonald's?
Yes, people who have not taken care of themselves is a huge majority. Obese, diabetics have more of a chance of getting it and being more sick. People who have other underlying conditions. Smokers.
Not all people who suffer from obesity and diabetes did it to themselves. That's an ignorant thing to say. My uncle has a heart condition. My dad is type 1 diabetic. My friends 3 year old is a type 1 diabetic. Are these people disposable? Even people who don't eat healthy or who smoke...that doesn't make them deserving of death. Natural herd immunity would still cause unbelievable suffering. But, to each his own. Nobody's mind is being changed here.
Who said they DESERVE death? I live with 2 diabetics and I had an underlying condition I had no clue of.
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| Posted 12/29/20 7:09 PM |
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Natural herd immunity would result in excessive deaths and a complete collapse of the healthcare system. No other virus in our lifetime has caused almost 400,000 deaths in one country in 10 months. No other virus has caused overburdened hospitals from having to ration care. In California and in the UK people are dying in hallways and in ambulances. Do people really believe all these people died because they liked to eat McDonald's?
50 million people died in the pandemic of 1918 which was in 3 waves and lasted about a year.
50 million in just the US? And nobody alive today was alive in 1918...that wasn't our lifetime. If you think hospitals are lying, more power to you. I hope nobody you love is ever left to die in an ambulance outside a hospital because there was no room for them inside.
The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States.
People do live over 100 so yes, there could be some that were alive then.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Natural herd immunity would result in excessive deaths and a complete collapse of the healthcare system. No other virus in our lifetime has caused almost 400,000 deaths in one country in 10 months. No other virus has caused overburdened hospitals from having to ration care. In California and in the UK people are dying in hallways and in ambulances. Do people really believe all these people died because they liked to eat McDonald's?
Yes, people who have not taken care of themselves is a huge majority. Obese, diabetics have more of a chance of getting it and being more sick. People who have other underlying conditions. Smokers.
Not all people who suffer from obesity and diabetes did it to themselves. That's an ignorant thing to say. My uncle has a heart condition. My dad is type 1 diabetic. My friends 3 year old is a type 1 diabetic. Are these people disposable? Even people who don't eat healthy or who smoke...that doesn't make them deserving of death. Natural herd immunity would still cause unbelievable suffering. But, to each his own. Nobody's mind is being changed here.
Who’s saying that anybody deserves to die??? Seriously??? And don’t u think that all the side effects, adverse reactions, and I’m not even gonna mention the long term effects of this vaccine that are still unknown can bring unbelievable suffering as well?? The conditioning into thinking that a vaccine is gonna heroically save the day and it’s the only way to stop any virus is mind blowing. Sure, it’d be perfect if this vaccine didn’t come with a negative side and its pharmaceutical company held liability. I personally would be the first one in line. But that’s not the reality. There’s a lot of known unknowns with this vaccine that people are just not willing to take a chance with.
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| Posted 12/29/20 7:18 PM |
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Natural herd immunity would result in excessive deaths and a complete collapse of the healthcare system. No other virus in our lifetime has caused almost 400,000 deaths in one country in 10 months. No other virus has caused overburdened hospitals from having to ration care. In California and in the UK people are dying in hallways and in ambulances. Do people really believe all these people died because they liked to eat McDonald's?
Yes, people who have not taken care of themselves is a huge majority. Obese, diabetics have more of a chance of getting it and being more sick. People who have other underlying conditions. Smokers.
Not all people who suffer from obesity and diabetes did it to themselves. That's an ignorant thing to say. My uncle has a heart condition. My dad is type 1 diabetic. My friends 3 year old is a type 1 diabetic. Are these people disposable? Even people who don't eat healthy or who smoke...that doesn't make them deserving of death. Natural herd immunity would still cause unbelievable suffering. But, to each his own. Nobody's mind is being changed here.
Who’s saying that anybody deserves to die??? Seriously??? And don’t u think that all the side effects, adverse reactions, and I’m not even gonna mention the long term effects of this vaccine that are still unknown can bring unbelievable suffering as well?? The conditioning into thinking that a vaccine is gonna heroically save the day and it’s the only way to stop any virus is mind blowing. Sure, it’d be perfect if this vaccine didn’t come with a negative side and its pharmaceutical company held liability. I personally would be the first one in line. But that’s not the reality. There’s a lot of known unknowns with this vaccine that people are just not willing to take a chance with.
Well people who think like this are obviously selfish according to some posters. 
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Natural herd immunity would result in excessive deaths and a complete collapse of the healthcare system. No other virus in our lifetime has caused almost 400,000 deaths in one country in 10 months. No other virus has caused overburdened hospitals from having to ration care. In California and in the UK people are dying in hallways and in ambulances. Do people really believe all these people died because they liked to eat McDonald's?
50 million people died in the pandemic of 1918 which was in 3 waves and lasted about a year.
They are not sure of the death count exactly and it lasted about 2 years. The medical technology was completely primitive (antibiotics could have been used then, but there were none), so I don’t think you can compare death tolls.
Pretend Covid is in 1918 and I’m sure there would have been a lot more deaths.
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| Posted 12/29/20 7:27 PM |
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Natural herd immunity would result in excessive deaths and a complete collapse of the healthcare system. No other virus in our lifetime has caused almost 400,000 deaths in one country in 10 months. No other virus has caused overburdened hospitals from having to ration care. In California and in the UK people are dying in hallways and in ambulances. Do people really believe all these people died because they liked to eat McDonald's?
50 million people died in the pandemic of 1918 which was in 3 waves and lasted about a year.
They are not sure of the death count exactly and it lasted about 2 years. The medical technology was completely primitive (antibiotics could have been used then, but there were none), so I don’t think you can compare death tolls.
Pretend Covid is in 1918 and I’m sure there would have been a lot more deaths.
I agree. The technology now is much better and we know more by trial and error. Earlier this year unfortunately was trial and error and less people might have not died if they didn't put them on ventilators.
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