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Janice
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
I have met him as well and I don't agree with all ideas, but I don't think he is a stupid man.
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
Posted by Janice
I have met him as well and I don't agree with all ideas, but I don't think he is a stupid man.
you don't agree with him but he is a wise man?
Sorry ...but like Elbee said...he is out for HIMSELF ONLY!
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:01 AM |
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
Posted by Janice
so then maybe a car owner crusade will start and a march on protecting our automoblies. Do it that is fine.
But to me a man's skull is more important than a car.
Do you think they deserved what they got?
I don't think beating your head in is correct punishment but .i don't feel bad either why are we forgetting that they were there for trouble..
.and trouble is what he got ... unfortunately it was a little severe but whos to say he wouldn't have done the same given the chance
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:01 AM |
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
Posted by unbelievable
Posted by Janice
so then maybe a car owner crusade will start and a march on protecting our automoblies. Do it that is fine.
But to me a man's skull is more important than a car.
Do you think they deserved what they got?
I don't think beating your head in is correct punishment but .i don't feel bad either why are we forgetting that they were there for trouble..
.and trouble is what he got ... unfortunately it was a little severe but whos to say he wouldn't have done the same given the chance
100% agreed
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:03 AM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
I don't think it portends well for either side. At least 2 of the 3 black boys were crusing a white neoghborhood to steal a car, 2 of 3 white boys beat up and robbed a black man. it doens't make ANYONE look good.
I feel like it's going to reinforce people's racism. I live in a mixed neighborhood, so if I see black guys walking down the street, it's nothng, they live down the block, but if you live in an all white neighborhood black people ARE conspicuous, and so I can see why people would wonder what they are doing there. but now I feel like people will feel justified in assuming it's to cause a crime. What I'm afraid of is that down the line when these kdis are charged, if they get a ong sentence due to hate crime laws, they'll be backlash agaisnt black people in the community, and THEN we'll have racial tension. What I hope happens is that people will just be pre emptive and stand up to ay, no we don't tolerate racism in howard beach. We don't tolerate crime, but the police will handle crime, and we will do the best we can to keep racism from growing here. If HB leaders could stand up and give that message, it might pre-empt this whole thing. I hope they don't all decide to stand behind these white kids.
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Janice
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
Posted by CaptainCharisma424
Posted by unbelievable
Posted by Janice
so then maybe a car owner crusade will start and a march on protecting our automoblies. Do it that is fine.
But to me a man's skull is more important than a car.
Do you think they deserved what they got?
I don't think beating your head in is correct punishment but .i don't feel bad either why are we forgetting that they were there for trouble..
.and trouble is what he got ... unfortunately it was a little severe but whos to say he wouldn't have done the same given the chance
100% agreed
he would have done a racial motivated hate crime? If he would have then yes, he should be accountable as well.
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:04 AM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
It depends on whether you agree with increased penalties for racially motivated crimes. The blakc kids were there to steal a car. They weren't there to steala white person's chrysler, they were there to steal a chrysler. The white kids decided to beat up a black guy. Had they seen 3 white kids walking down the street=no beating. Neither of them was right, but I don't think two wrongs make a right as my mother would say. One crime was racially motivated, the other was not.
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:06 AM |
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Janice
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
Posted by marymoon
I'd march with him..except that i don't know what he's amrching against? racism? howard beach? If it's just a march to show and promote tolerance then I'm all over that. But I don't really know if this merits a march just yet. So far the community, while not exactly denouncing the actions completely, is NOT supporting the white boys, so I don't really see what the march is for. Maybe for people to show that not all HB people are racist, and that racially motivated crimes will not be tolerated? That would be good.
great points
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:09 AM |
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Redhead
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
Posted by marymoon
It depends on whether you agree with increased penalties for racially motivated crimes. The blakc kids were there to steal a car. They weren't there to steala white person's chrysler, they were there to steal a chrysler. The white kids decided to beat up a black guy. Had they seen 3 white kids walking down the street=no beating. Neither of them was right, but I don't think two wrongs make a right as my mother would say. One crime was racially motivated, the other was not.
soooo if he the kid that was beaten was WHITE...would all of this be happening?
then maybe they should have scouted out areas known to be 95% black to get their car
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:10 AM |
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Janice
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
Posted by marymoon
It depends on whether you agree with increased penalties for racially motivated crimes. The blakc kids were there to steal a car. They weren't there to steala white person's chrysler, they were there to steal a chrysler. The white kids decided to beat up a black guy. Had they seen 3 white kids walking down the street=no beating. Neither of them was right, but I don't think two wrongs make a right as my mother would say. One crime was racially motivated, the other was not.
again, your mother must have had a hard time with you and your debate skills
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:10 AM |
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Redhead
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
AND AGAIN...if those KIDS weren't out to COMMIT a CRIME....NONE of this would be happening!
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:11 AM |
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unknown1
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
Posted by CaptainCharisma424
Posted by unbelievable
Posted by Janice
so then maybe a car owner crusade will start and a march on protecting our automoblies. Do it that is fine.
But to me a man's skull is more important than a car.
Do you think they deserved what they got?
I don't think beating your head in is correct punishment but .i don't feel bad either why are we forgetting that they were there for trouble..
.and trouble is what he got ... unfortunately it was a little severe but whos to say he wouldn't have done the same given the chance
100% agreed
I truly don't think this was a hate crime it was a fight that two thugs got into ... one thug committed a crime while the other thug was on his way to .... now this is my spin .... imagine the guy didn't get his skull knocked silly ... and he proceeds to steal the car from someone .... and this is the persons only possesion or they are elderly and what not ...we would be disgusted so that is how i look at it just because he didn't actually do it does not mean he intent wasn't there .intent is just as bad
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:11 AM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
Posted by Janice
Posted by marymoon
It depends on whether you agree with increased penalties for racially motivated crimes. The blakc kids were there to steal a car. They weren't there to steala white person's chrysler, they were there to steal a chrysler. The white kids decided to beat up a black guy. Had they seen 3 white kids walking down the street=no beating. Neither of them was right, but I don't think two wrongs make a right as my mother would say. One crime was racially motivated, the other was not.
again, your mother must have had a hard time with you and your debate skills
Don;t start that again! 
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june262004
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They said on the news this is being called a hate crime because the "N" word was used (I hate that word  ) but people stay stupid things in the heat of the momment. If that Word wasn't used I wonder if it be called a hate crime?
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:13 AM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
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AND AGAIN...if those KIDS weren't out to COMMIT a CRIME....NONE of this would be happening!
if they weren't black it wouldn't have happenned either.
If you go by the stoies in the papers, then the white kids didn't know these guys were out to steal a car. What did they know? They were black and maybe looked suspicious.
I'm not saying the black kids were innocent, but based on the info we do have, they were beaten up for being black in the wrong neighborhood, not for stealing cars... stealing cars led them to the wrong neighborhood, but the white kids had no way of knowing that
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:14 AM |
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Redhead
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
Posted by unbelievable
Posted by CaptainCharisma424
Posted by unbelievable
Posted by Janice
so then maybe a car owner crusade will start and a march on protecting our automoblies. Do it that is fine.
But to me a man's skull is more important than a car.
Do you think they deserved what they got?
I don't think beating your head in is correct punishment but .i don't feel bad either why are we forgetting that they were there for trouble..
.and trouble is what he got ... unfortunately it was a little severe but whos to say he wouldn't have done the same given the chance
100% agreed
I truly don't think this was a hate crime it was a fight that two thugs got into ... one thug committed a crime while the other thug was on his way to .... now this is my spin .... imagine the guy didn't get his skull knocked silly ... and he proceeds to steal the car from someone .... and this is the persons only possesion or they are elderly and what not ...we would be disgusted so that is how i look at it just because he didn't actually do it does not mean he intent wasn't there .intent is just as bad
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:14 AM |
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Elbee
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
Posted by unbelievable
I truly don't think this was a hate crime it was a fight that two thugs got into ... one thug committed a crime while the other thug was on his way to ....
Until I hear further facts, I agree. I think we (as in media and politicians) are trying to turn it into a "hate crime" or "racial attack" when really it may be just 6 piceces of $h!t that got into a fight on a residential street in Howard Beach.
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:14 AM |
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Redhead
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
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AND AGAIN...if those KIDS weren't out to COMMIT a CRIME....NONE of this would be happening!
if they weren't black it wouldn't have happenned either.
If you go by the stoies in the papers, then the white kids didn't know these guys were out to steal a car. What did they know? They were black and maybe looked suspicious.
I'm not saying the black kids were innocent, but based on the info we do have, they were beaten up for being black in the wrong neighborhood, not for stealing cars... stealing cars led them to the wrong neighborhood, but the white kids had no way of knowing that
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT!
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:15 AM |
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june262004
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
Posted by marymoon
Posted by Redhead
AND AGAIN...if those KIDS weren't out to COMMIT a CRIME....NONE of this would be happening!
if they weren't black it wouldn't have happenned either.
If you go by the stoies in the papers, then the white kids didn't know these guys were out to steal a car. What did they know? They were black and maybe looked suspicious.
I'm not saying the black kids were innocent, but based on the info we do have, they were beaten up for being black in the wrong neighborhood, not for stealing cars... stealing cars led them to the wrong neighborhood, but the white kids had no way of knowing that
FOR the 900th time THEY said they had a fight earlier "VICTIM" Held a screw driver to "bat boy" and said he was going to steal his 3000.00 necklace!!!!!
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:17 AM |
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Janice
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
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Posted by marymoon
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AND AGAIN...if those KIDS weren't out to COMMIT a CRIME....NONE of this would be happening!
if they weren't black it wouldn't have happenned either.
If you go by the stoies in the papers, then the white kids didn't know these guys were out to steal a car. What did they know? They were black and maybe looked suspicious.
I'm not saying the black kids were innocent, but based on the info we do have, they were beaten up for being black in the wrong neighborhood, not for stealing cars... stealing cars led them to the wrong neighborhood, but the white kids had no way of knowing that
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT!
it is true, bat boy did not tell police about the car. He told the story of a chain from days earlier. The black guys told the story of the car.
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:18 AM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
We don't have all the facts yet, I'm sure more info will come out. But based on what the papers are saying, I do believe it was a racially motivated crime, and the white kids were 100% wrong, whether or not the black kids were out to steal a car. The black kids similarly were 100% wrong for trying to steal a car, but I don't think one justifies the other.
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:18 AM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
My cousins are white and they stole cars from howard beach....you gotta watch out for white kids too 
I just have to lagh because the mob are the biggest theives out there and we're all so aorried about 3 black 20 year olds.
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:19 AM |
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june262004
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
Posted by marymoon
My cousins are white and they stole cars from howard beach....you gotta watch out for white kids too
I just have to lagh because the mob are the biggest theives out there and we're all so aorried about 3 black 20 year olds.
Difference with the mob is they go AFTER each other.
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:20 AM |
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Redhead
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Posted by Janice
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AND AGAIN...if those KIDS weren't out to COMMIT a CRIME....NONE of this would be happening!
if they weren't black it wouldn't have happenned either.
If you go by the stoies in the papers, then the white kids didn't know these guys were out to steal a car. What did they know? They were black and maybe looked suspicious.
I'm not saying the black kids were innocent, but based on the info we do have, they were beaten up for being black in the wrong neighborhood, not for stealing cars... stealing cars led them to the wrong neighborhood, but the white kids had no way of knowing that
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT!
it is true, bat boy did not tell police about the car. He told the story of a chain from days earlier. The black guys told the story of the car.
sorry but i do not believe that this happened PRIMARILY because they were black.
i think they would have beat down a white boy if they thought he was stealing one of their cars
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| Posted 7/1/05 10:21 AM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: Well, we made the front page again
I don't think the white guys knew about the car. They may have suspected they were up to no good, and the earlier conforntation may have occured, but I don't think it's correct to say that the black boys were beat up because they were stealing a car. maybe indirectly (as in, hey woudlnlt even have been there if not for that), but not directly. But we don't have all of the facts. BTW Minucci has told about 5 diferent stories to the police, so they don't really believe a word he says anywa.
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