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JennZ
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

I would just sign it. You said your block was so big and nothing was close to your house so you dont have to worry about your kid missing anything. Parking is an issue anyway, so your holiday guest would have that issue even before the party. I wouldnt ruin the whole blocks party for one holiday. (and I do understand the importance of said holiday).

Posted 7/22/13 10:49 AM
 
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it a solemn day too? Like maybe not the best day to have a raucous block party going on in the background while you are trying to observe your holiday? Totally insensitive on your neighbors part.

Posted 7/22/13 10:50 AM
 

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Yom Kippur is the holiest day on the Jewish calendar. There is no way that I would sign for a block party that day. First of all, your kids wouldn't be able to participate, and how are they going to feel about that. Second, there won't be any parking for your guests for the break fast, and who wants to walk from far away after you haven't eaten or drank anything for 25 hours! Also, I don't know if you attend synagogue, and if so, if you drive or not, but it would be a huge inconvenience for me to not be able to get on and off my street that day.

I'm usually a pretty accommodating person, but I think it's really rude to plan the block party that day. Are you the only Jewish family on your block?

ETA: We are fairly observant of Yom Kippur, and do not listen to music, watch TV, etc. It would impact the sanctity of the day for me to hear loud music outside, etc., which is another reason that I would not sign. I feel for you. I would be PISSED if it were me.



ITA with this. i wouldnt sign off on it

Posted 7/22/13 11:13 AM
 

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Also, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it a solemn day too? Like maybe not the best day to have a raucous block party going on in the background while you are trying to observe your holiday? Totally insensitive on your neighbors part.



I wonder if the town would even approve that day?

Posted 7/22/13 11:20 AM
 

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Also, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it a solemn day too? Like maybe not the best day to have a raucous block party going on in the background while you are trying to observe your holiday? Totally insensitive on your neighbors part.



I wonder if the town would even approve that day?



That's what I'm wondering too. What town is this? I'm sort of surprised that a community would be that careless in considering the date.

Posted 7/22/13 11:22 AM
 

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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

I understand it is one of the holiest of holidays but you can't expect the world to stop because of it. I would care if my neighbros had a party on easter christmas or next Tuesday.

I never expect anyone to change plans because of any reason (religous or not). As for people coming to your house....its a block or two extra walk not miles. And for yoour kids beign upset.....my guess is things will come up year after year that they might not be able to do because of the holiday. Once they hit school age they might have birthday parties etc that will conflict. IMO learn young.

I would sign and just not go.

Posted 7/22/13 11:23 AM
 

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I don't think they should have the block party that day. That's just flat out thoughtless and disrespectful! It is the HOLIEST DAY OF THE YEAR for Jews. That's a big deal and a big inconvenience to your guests who have been fasting.

And I wouldn't be happy if there was a block party on Easter Sunday. Or Good Friday, which is supposed to be a solemn occasion.. I wouldn't want my children to participate because I'm teaching my children to respect their religion. This, of course, would be a huge fight with a 3 year old and a 5 year old and I would be so angry with the organizers for creating this situation.

I understand why you don't want to sign. I don't know what I would do..

Posted 7/22/13 11:26 AM
 

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I understand it is one of the holiest of holidays but you can't expect the world to stop because of it. I would care if my neighbros had a party on easter christmas or next Tuesday.

I never expect anyone to change plans because of any reason (religous or not). As for people coming to your house....its a block or two extra walk not miles. And for yoour kids beign upset.....my guess is things will come up year after year that they might not be able to do because of the holiday. Once they hit school age they might have birthday parties etc that will conflict. IMO learn young.

I would sign and just not go.



I gotta be honest....this is one of the most ignorant comments. The world pretty much does stop on Christmas, or at least in America it does. I NEVER find a grocery store or ANY store open for that matter. The SAME thing happens on Easter Sunday!!! YOU might not notice it because you are CELEBRATING! But it happens. And having a child miss a birthday party, is not the same as a party going on your own block!

Posted 7/22/13 11:28 AM
 

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Posted by jgl

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Also, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it a solemn day too? Like maybe not the best day to have a raucous block party going on in the background while you are trying to observe your holiday? Totally insensitive on your neighbors part.



I wonder if the town would even approve that day?



That's what I'm wondering too. What town is this? I'm sort of surprised that a community would be that careless in considering the date.


Town of Hempstead. I will be calling the town to find out what their policy is!

Posted 7/22/13 11:29 AM
 

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I understand it is one of the holiest of holidays but you can't expect the world to stop because of it. I would care if my neighbros had a party on easter christmas or next Tuesday.

I never expect anyone to change plans because of any reason (religous or not). As for people coming to your house....its a block or two extra walk not miles. And for yoour kids beign upset.....my guess is things will come up year after year that they might not be able to do because of the holiday. Once they hit school age they might have birthday parties etc that will conflict. IMO learn young.

I would sign and just not go.



I gotta be honest....this is one of the most ignorant comments. The world pretty much does stop on Christmas, or at least in America it does. I NEVER find a grocery store or ANY store open for that matter. The SAME thing happens on Easter Sunday!!! YOU might not notice it because you are CELEBRATING! But it happens. And having a child miss a birthday party, is not the same as a party going on your own block!



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Posted 7/22/13 11:31 AM
 

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I think you're being rude.

If you're block is as big as you say it is I would think it would be hard to accomodate everyone. Maybe the 14th was a better day for the majority of people on your block?

You aren't forced to participate. They only need the signature to obtain the permits to close the street. Why would you not sign it because you can't participate on that day?




Exactly. I am Catholic and celebrate Easter and would not care if others chose to have a block party or sit and pray. As long as I was free to do whatever I wish. I think it would be VERY rude to squash it.

Posted 7/22/13 11:33 AM
 

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Idk if it is the same but I can tell u when we did our block party here,I'm in queens theubgavebis 2 dates to pick from.

WE did not have a choice a maybe these were the two dates given and they did a vote and this one won

So it was either this date or no party,not like they were trying to be mean

Maybe ask whoever is running it to send a email explaining how you feel



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There is always always places open by me

Posted 7/22/13 11:33 AM
 

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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

I think for one year it's not worth being "that" neighbor and spoiling it for everyone else. You're only concerned with how this affecting you, when clearly the majority think differently. Having sour grapes and trying to rain on everyone else's parade is not neighborly. Do you want to make a big stink? What will that accomplish? I think you have to be an adult and realize that the block party can't revolve around you or a potential tantrum from your son. I would sign and not participate. And net year, why not get involved in the planning so you can't be apathetic to the decisions that are made?

Posted 7/22/13 11:33 AM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

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Posted by alli3131

I understand it is one of the holiest of holidays but you can't expect the world to stop because of it. I would care if my neighbros had a party on easter christmas or next Tuesday.

I never expect anyone to change plans because of any reason (religous or not). As for people coming to your house....its a block or two extra walk not miles. And for yoour kids beign upset.....my guess is things will come up year after year that they might not be able to do because of the holiday. Once they hit school age they might have birthday parties etc that will conflict. IMO learn young.

I would sign and just not go.



I gotta be honest....this is one of the most ignorant comments. The world pretty much does stop on Christmas, or at least in America it does. I NEVER find a grocery store or ANY store open for that matter. The SAME thing happens on Easter Sunday!!! YOU might not notice it because you are CELEBRATING! But it happens. And having a child miss a birthday party, is not the same as a party going on your own block!




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I agree that there is a huge difference between a block party and a birthday party that your child cannot attend. Also, in regard to walking an extra block or two, let me tell you that it makes all the difference in the world when you have not had food or water for 25 hours! My DH barely makes it to the end of the fast. He would not be able to walk the two blocks (and he has broken it a tiny bit early when he needs to b/c he has come come close to passing out).

What makes the planning of this block party completely obnoxious is that it totally disregards the religious beliefs of at least one family on the block. It's very different than a kid's birthday party, which just involves picking a date when the kid and his parents are free. No, you can't accommodate everyone's plans when organizing a block party, but this is blatantly disrespectful!

Posted 7/22/13 11:35 AM
 

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I don't understand... they are giving you a choice of two days Sept. 14 or Sept. 21 and you're mad because one of those days is a Jewish holiday? Can't you just pick the other day? I'm not understanding.



They gave the entire block a choice between 2 days. The one that was picked more was Sept 14. My contention is that it should haven't even been an option - so now that is the option that was chosen!



If someone wanted to have a block party on Easter Sunday, I wouldn't care. I'd sign the papers and not participate or contribute. If they wanted to have it on Christmas it wouldn't even matter to me. You don't HAVE to participate- you even said all the attractions are nowhere near your house so it's not like it would really be inconveniencing your guests or anything.



Exactly. Shoot, DH and I are in an interfaith marriage...Christian for me, Muslim for him...at the moment it is Ramadan (for a whole month!) which is an extremely important month for Muslims....but we can't begrudge our neighbors who may want a block party to ahppen during the month...or during an important Christian holiday...

Posted 7/22/13 11:38 AM
 

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I understand it is one of the holiest of holidays but you can't expect the world to stop because of it. I would care if my neighbros had a party on easter christmas or next Tuesday.

I never expect anyone to change plans because of any reason (religous or not). As for people coming to your house....its a block or two extra walk not miles. And for yoour kids beign upset.....my guess is things will come up year after year that they might not be able to do because of the holiday. Once they hit school age they might have birthday parties etc that will conflict. IMO learn young.

I would sign and just not go.



I gotta be honest....this is one of the most ignorant comments. The world pretty much does stop on Christmas, or at least in America it does. I NEVER find a grocery store or ANY store open for that matter. The SAME thing happens on Easter Sunday!!! YOU might not notice it because you are CELEBRATING! But it happens. And having a child miss a birthday party, is not the same as a party going on your own block!




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I agree that there is a huge difference between a block party and a birthday party that your child cannot attend. Also, in regard to walking an extra block or two, let me tell you that it makes all the difference in the world when you have not had food or water for 25 hours! My DH barely makes it to the end of the fast. He would not be able to walk the two blocks (and he has broken it a tiny bit early when he needs to b/c he has come come close to passing out).

What makes the planning of this block party completely obnoxious is that it totally disregards the religious beliefs of at least one family on the block. It's very different than a kid's birthday party, which just involves picking a date when the kid and his parents are free. No, you can't accommodate everyone's plans when organizing a block party, but this is blatantly disrespectful!




I think that you're reading into it that it was a PERSONAL ATTACK ON ONLY HER FAMILY. I highly doubt that's the case. Why does there have to be some inherently evil intention on the planners part? I also doubt she's the only Jewish family in all the block party land, maybe she should rile everyone up and boycott the party!

Does it sound silly? Yes, and so does talking out if both sides of your mouth. One hand you say you can't accommodate everyone, and in the next you say it's disrespectful. The world cannot revolve around one family. I'm sorry that she may have to sit this out but that's LIFE.

Posted 7/22/13 11:42 AM
 

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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

At first I was thinking I would sign and just not participate.

I am Catholic and honestly- I have no clue about Jewish holidays- aside from Chanukah. Now that I see from others it is the holiest Jewish holiday and so on- I would probably not sign. To exclude an entire group of people, plus be disrespectful of their need for quiet, is just totally wrong.

Perhaps, though, the people who picked that date had no idea, like me, of what's involved in the holiday- or even that it IS a holiday.

If I were you- i'd write an e-mail to the organizers explaining your stance- the practices of the holiday and ask them to try another date. If they can't agree- you won't be signing.

Posted 7/22/13 11:44 AM
 

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I think that you're reading into it that it was a PERSONAL ATTACK ON ONLY HER FAMILY. I highly doubt that's the case. Why does there have to be some inherently evil intention on the planners part? I also doubt she's the only Jewish family in all the block party land, maybe she should rile everyone up and boycott the party!

Does it sound silly? Yes, and so does talking out if both sides of your mouth. One hand you say you can't accommodate everyone, and in the next you say it's disrespectful. The world cannot revolve around one family. I'm sorry that she may have to sit this out but that's LIFE.



No, I don't think that it's a personal attack on her family. In my first response, I asked her if there are other Jewish families. I would actually be surprised if she was the only one on her street who is affected by this. I've never been involved in a block party, so I don't know how they are planned, but I would never consider a date that was on the holiest day of the year for any of my neighbors. I think it's inconsiderate. If I was on a mostly Jewish street with one or two Christian neighbors, it would never even cross my mind to plan the block party on Easter or Christmas. I guess I'm just considerate like that.

Posted 7/22/13 11:47 AM
 

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I know in our town, majority wins, so even if some of the neighbors refuse to sign, the party still goes on. And we do get a number of neighbors who begrudgingly sign our request form (we always inform them they are not obligated by any means, but I guess they feel better being vocal about it.)

And as the planner for the block party, we do take holidays and other major events into consideration and I don't think the weekend of Yom Kippur would even be an option.


I understand your feelings, but if my neighborhood decided to have the block party on a day that I could not participate, regardless of the reason, I wouldn't begrudge them.

Posted 7/22/13 11:50 AM
 

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I am curious how many families will be celebrating? If it is many then I totally understand

But if it was just your family or say 2 more and this was the only day that worked then I would feel bad for all the othe kids on the block

It is a sucky situation.

I would try to talk. To the planner bedorwbubknowbit assign or not sign anything

Posted 7/22/13 11:51 AM
 

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I think when you involve the town (getting permits, etc) they need to consider holidays and high holy days. If it were just a couple of neighbors getting together for a party, it's no big deal. But I wonder if the town would even approve of this. However, I personally would sign it, if the town did approve it.

Posted 7/22/13 11:53 AM
 

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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

I would sign bc it's one year and I wouldn't want to get involved in drama. I would also send a nice note, explaining why you can't participate- maybe even attach it to the signature clipboard so the other houses could see. ftr I think it's rude, but I'd let it go one time.

Posted 7/22/13 11:53 AM
 

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Posted by alli3131

I understand it is one of the holiest of holidays but you can't expect the world to stop because of it. I would care if my neighbros had a party on easter christmas or next Tuesday.

I never expect anyone to change plans because of any reason (religous or not). As for people coming to your house....its a block or two extra walk not miles. And for yoour kids beign upset.....my guess is things will come up year after year that they might not be able to do because of the holiday. Once they hit school age they might have birthday parties etc that will conflict. IMO learn young.

I would sign and just not go.



I gotta be honest....this is one of the most ignorant comments. The world pretty much does stop on Christmas, or at least in America it does. I NEVER find a grocery store or ANY store open for that matter. The SAME thing happens on Easter Sunday!!! YOU might not notice it because you are CELEBRATING! But it happens. And having a child miss a birthday party, is not the same as a party going on your own block!




ITA and I am Catholic- I would think it was rude if they had a block party on Good Friday-- which for us Catholics is a solemn day. I would email the organizers and ask out of respect for the holiday that another day be selected. Its possible they have no idea that it is a Jewish Holiday and a solemn one at that. If they don't change it, I wouldnt sign.

Posted 7/22/13 11:53 AM
 

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Does it sound silly? Yes, and so does talking out if both sides of your mouth. One hand you say you can't accommodate everyone, and in the next you say it's disrespectful.



Sorry, I just wanted to address this and clarify, lest anyone else thinks that I'm being hypocritical. I meant that you can't accommodate every single family's plans, in terms of who has a birthday party, who is on vacation, etc. However, I think that is very, very different than taking into consideration that for a group of people, it is the holiest day of the year. I don't think that I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth by saying that. I was actually trying to make a distinction.

Posted 7/22/13 11:56 AM
 

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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Just don't sign then. If it bothers you this much. If they ask why, say its a religious holiday for you and you'd prefer it wasn't on that date. Its not like you think you, by yourself, can stop them, its just the principle of the matter. You won't sign because of your own family obligations.

Now what happens afterwards is just a matter of majority rules. American as apple pie.

As far as christian vs jewish holiday, I think they both get equal play in ny (more so than other areas of the us) and I personally WANT to go out and enjoy time with my family on Easter and constantly get annoyed to see things closed. Its become a going joke for us.

To each their own.

But if they came by asking 'sign this so we can have a party on 9/11' I'd probably refuse. Its not a religious thing, but if I felt the party wasn't in line with what I felt was respectful, I'd decline my signature. Doesn't matter your REASONS why you don't want to sign. You shouldn't feel forced into signing at all. But that's just my humble opinion.

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