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alli3131
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Jacksmommy
Posted by alli3131
I understand it is one of the holiest of holidays but you can't expect the world to stop because of it. I would care if my neighbros had a party on easter christmas or next Tuesday.
I never expect anyone to change plans because of any reason (religous or not). As for people coming to your house....its a block or two extra walk not miles. And for yoour kids beign upset.....my guess is things will come up year after year that they might not be able to do because of the holiday. Once they hit school age they might have birthday parties etc that will conflict. IMO learn young.
I would sign and just not go.
I gotta be honest....this is one of the most ignorant comments. The world pretty much does stop on Christmas, or at least in America it does. I NEVER find a grocery store or ANY store open for that matter. The SAME thing happens on Easter Sunday!!! YOU might not notice it because you are CELEBRATING! But it happens. And having a child miss a birthday party, is not the same as a party going on your own block!
Please don't assume what I celebrate and what I don't. I have been to stores on easter and chirstimas and worked both those days over the year.
All I am sayign is I never expect things to revolve about anything in my life religous or not.
It was not about you and your family it was a general statement but if you want to take it personally I can't change that.
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StarsStripes
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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
I would be upset too if I were Jewish and this was a major holiday of mine. Are there other Jewish people on your block who are feeling the same way? Could you perhaps have the party at someone else's house. While I understand that you are upset I would definitely not want to be that person who ruined the party for the other 50 houses on the block, to me that does not sound very fair. Sometimes in life we can't get what we want or for everyone to see our point of view, we just need to compromise.
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| Posted 7/22/13 12:24 PM |
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ali120206
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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
I would be annoyed, especially since you brought that up to them, but, I would probably still sign (and complain about it to people outside of the block lol).
Also - does this affect any of the other families on the block? I would ask one of them what their intentions are. Would it be possible to break the fast at another family member's home if the block party were to go on?
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| Posted 7/22/13 12:24 PM |
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MrsDrMatt
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Message edited 7/22/2013 12:31:41 PM.
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MrsDrMatt
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by MrsDrMatt
Please realize that if you do not sign you will be known as "that neighbor". Is this a wise thing to do? God forbid you need them in the future to help you out. I know that I have needed my neighbors in the past and probably would in the future. I think by not singing you are burning bridges. Neighbors are more important than most people think.
Sign and don't go.
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| Posted 7/22/13 12:31 PM |
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Jacksmommy
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Thank you all for your input. While I think that this is an incredibly disrespectful thing to do, after cooling off, I will probably sign it. I understand that it is not fair to ruin other peoples fun because of my own beliefs.
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| Posted 7/22/13 12:43 PM |
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EricaAlt
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
I am Jewish and Yom Kippur is the holiest holiday. Not only is it hard for your guests, but what about you trying to get out to go to temple. We go back and forth to temple that day. Go for morning services, come home then back for the children's service and then the evening service. Then your guests are supposed to walk far after fasting all day. It is not an easy day. I do live in a mostly Jewish area so I don't think we would have to worry about anything like that happening. Our schools are closed for both Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.
Sorry you have to deal with this.
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| Posted 7/22/13 12:44 PM |
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
What I'm challenging you all to do is see WHY it’s so disrespectful for the block association to have a party on that day. Not only that it excludes the Jews, but alienates them and is disrespectful to them all in the same breath.
So no. Please DO NOT stop your life for our holidays. Just be respectful.
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| Posted 7/22/13 12:46 PM |
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kahlua716
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by eroxgirl
I don't think they should have the block party that day. That's just flat out thoughtless and disrespectful! It is the HOLIEST DAY OF THE YEAR for Jews. That's a big deal and a big inconvenience to your guests who have been fasting.
And I wouldn't be happy if there was a block party on Easter Sunday. Or Good Friday, which is supposed to be a solemn occasion.. I wouldn't want my children to participate because I'm teaching my children to respect their religion. This, of course, would be a huge fight with a 3 year old and a 5 year old and I would be so angry with the organizers for creating this situation.
I understand why you don't want to sign. I don't know what I would do..
I agree with this. I'm sorry you were put in this position 
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| Posted 7/22/13 12:47 PM |
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Jacksmommy
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Paramount
As far as signing or not signing, I think it might be worth it to have a conversation with the association, or the person running the party. Find out how far away it will be, if they could keep the music low etc etc etc. I am not a fan of signing, but MAYBE they can compramise along with you doing the same.
But it SO very disrespectful for them to even have the party on that day. Its not right and you know it. After speaking with the association I would make my decision then. Should the party be changed because YOU can't go due to the holiday, or should it be changed because the JOnes's down the street have a birthday party to go to. Its not fair to ask YOU to compramise when no one else is willing to for FAR lesser events.
For those of you who are not Jewish, I would like to put this in perspective.
Jews don't expect the world to stop for our holidays, nor for people to have to change their lives for our celebrations.
Comparing a special day, like a birthday for example, to Yom Kippur is not a fair analogy.
However it does bring to light the absolute ignorance of the non Jewish population on our faith and culture. I want to be CLEAR I am not insulting anyone. I am bringing to light the challenges we face as non Christians in the world.
This is the most solemn day in our calendar. We don't eat. We don't drink. We are supposed to spend the day in quiet self reflection. We are atoning for our sins and must make this a day of repentance and reflection.
To plan a block party of fun, noise and music on a day we need to be quiet and respectfully pray, it’s not fair nor is it right for the homeowners association to plan a day of fun on THE holiest day of the Jewish calendar. Its offensive to think that "it’s only one family" or "it’s not my holiday". You’re right; it's not your holiday. However is it wrong for you to be respectful?
Easter is not my holiday, yet I worked EVERY Good Friday so my Christian co-workers could have the night off.
Christmas is not my holiday. Yet I worked every Christmas eve to give my Christian co-workers the night off.
To most Christians, it SEEMS that X-Mas and Easter are a time for fun and joy and games and candy and family. (Please correct me if I am wrong). It would not be offensive if the Jewish neighbors had a party. YOUR holidays are (mostly) not about quiet reflection.
Would it be rude for me to go into a church and blare my IPOD with gangster rap? Or my loud music? Why should I stop listening to my ipod? Should I have to stop my life for the church?
So blasting music, albeit OUTSIDE someone home, it’s greatly disresespectful during this very holy day.
What I'm challenging you all to do is see WHY it’s so disrespectful for the block association to have a party on that day. Not only that it excludes the Jews, but alienates them and is disrespectful to them all in the same breath.
So no. Please DO NOT stop your life for our holidays. Just be respectful.
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These are great points. I do have to point out that while I am leaning on signing, my non-white, atheist husband is TRULY against me signing!
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| Posted 7/22/13 12:55 PM |
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MrsDeVito
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Paramount
As far as signing or not signing, I think it might be worth it to have a conversation with the association, or the person running the party. Find out how far away it will be, if they could keep the music low etc etc etc. I am not a fan of signing, but MAYBE they can compramise along with you doing the same.
But it SO very disrespectful for them to even have the party on that day. Its not right and you know it. After speaking with the association I would make my decision then. Should the party be changed because YOU can't go due to the holiday, or should it be changed because the JOnes's down the street have a birthday party to go to. Its not fair to ask YOU to compramise when no one else is willing to for FAR lesser events.
For those of you who are not Jewish, I would like to put this in perspective.
Jews don't expect the world to stop for our holidays, nor for people to have to change their lives for our celebrations.
Comparing a special day, like a birthday for example, to Yom Kippur is not a fair analogy.
However it does bring to light the absolute ignorance of the non Jewish population on our faith and culture. I want to be CLEAR I am not insulting anyone. I am bringing to light the challenges we face as non Christians in the world.
This is the most solemn day in our calendar. We don't eat. We don't drink. We are supposed to spend the day in quiet self reflection. We are atoning for our sins and must make this a day of repentance and reflection.
To plan a block party of fun, noise and music on a day we need to be quiet and respectfully pray, it’s not fair nor is it right for the homeowners association to plan a day of fun on THE holiest day of the Jewish calendar. Its offensive to think that "it’s only one family" or "it’s not my holiday". You’re right; it's not your holiday. However is it wrong for you to be respectful?
Easter is not my holiday, yet I worked EVERY Good Friday so my Christian co-workers could have the night off.
Christmas is not my holiday. Yet I worked every Christmas eve to give my Christian co-workers the night off.
To most Christians, it SEEMS that X-Mas and Easter are a time for fun and joy and games and candy and family. (Please correct me if I am wrong). It would not be offensive if the Jewish neighbors had a party. YOUR holidays are (mostly) not about quiet reflection.
Would it be rude for me to go into a church and blare my IPOD with gangster rap? Or my loud music? Why should I stop listening to my ipod? Should I have to stop my life for the church?
So blasting music, albeit OUTSIDE someone home, it’s greatly disresespectful during this very holy day.
What I'm challenging you all to do is see WHY it’s so disrespectful for the block association to have a party on that day. Not only that it excludes the Jews, but alienates them and is disrespectful to them all in the same breath.
So no. Please DO NOT stop your life for our holidays. Just be respectful.
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Having a block party and walking into a church during mass with music blasting are a bit different. Also your comment about our holidays being about games and candy is one of the rudest things I have ever read on this site.
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| Posted 7/22/13 12:58 PM |
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seaside
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Jax430
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Does it sound silly? Yes, and so does talking out if both sides of your mouth. One hand you say you can't accommodate everyone, and in the next you say it's disrespectful.
Sorry, I just wanted to address this and clarify, lest anyone else thinks that I'm being hypocritical. I meant that you can't accommodate every single family's plans, in terms of who has a birthday party, who is on vacation, etc. However, I think that is very, very different than taking into consideration that for a group of people, it is the holiest day of the year. I don't think that I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth by saying that. I was actually trying to make a distinction.
Jax-You make perfect sense. It is shocking that people don't understand that choosing a date that wholesale excludes a whole religion SENDS A MESSAGE. If you wouldn't go to a restricted club, and you would stand up for the rights of other minorities not to be WHOLESALE EXCLUDED from things that are supposed to be inclusive, why wouln't you be offended by this?
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| Posted 7/22/13 12:59 PM |
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Jax430
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Paramount
As far as signing or not signing, I think it might be worth it to have a conversation with the association, or the person running the party. Find out how far away it will be, if they could keep the music low etc etc etc. I am not a fan of signing, but MAYBE they can compramise along with you doing the same.
But it SO very disrespectful for them to even have the party on that day. Its not right and you know it. After speaking with the association I would make my decision then. Should the party be changed because YOU can't go due to the holiday, or should it be changed because the JOnes's down the street have a birthday party to go to. Its not fair to ask YOU to compramise when no one else is willing to for FAR lesser events.
For those of you who are not Jewish, I would like to put this in perspective.
Jews don't expect the world to stop for our holidays, nor for people to have to change their lives for our celebrations.
Comparing a special day, like a birthday for example, to Yom Kippur is not a fair analogy.
However it does bring to light the absolute ignorance of the non Jewish population on our faith and culture. I want to be CLEAR I am not insulting anyone. I am bringing to light the challenges we face as non Christians in the world.
This is the most solemn day in our calendar. We don't eat. We don't drink. We are supposed to spend the day in quiet self reflection. We are atoning for our sins and must make this a day of repentance and reflection.
To plan a block party of fun, noise and music on a day we need to be quiet and respectfully pray, it’s not fair nor is it right for the homeowners association to plan a day of fun on THE holiest day of the Jewish calendar. Its offensive to think that "it’s only one family" or "it’s not my holiday". You’re right; it's not your holiday. However is it wrong for you to be respectful?
Easter is not my holiday, yet I worked EVERY Good Friday so my Christian co-workers could have the night off.
Christmas is not my holiday. Yet I worked every Christmas eve to give my Christian co-workers the night off.
To most Christians, it SEEMS that X-Mas and Easter are a time for fun and joy and games and candy and family. (Please correct me if I am wrong). It would not be offensive if the Jewish neighbors had a party. YOUR holidays are (mostly) not about quiet reflection.
Would it be rude for me to go into a church and blare my IPOD with gangster rap? Or my loud music? Why should I stop listening to my ipod? Should I have to stop my life for the church?
So blasting music, albeit OUTSIDE someone home, it’s greatly disresespectful during this very holy day.
What I'm challenging you all to do is see WHY it’s so disrespectful for the block association to have a party on that day. Not only that it excludes the Jews, but alienates them and is disrespectful to them all in the same breath.
So no. Please DO NOT stop your life for our holidays. Just be respectful.
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Beautifully stated. Thank you for explaining what I was thinking so eloquently.
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| Posted 7/22/13 12:59 PM |
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gina409
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Trying to figure out how to respond to as you put it my holidays being about games and candy.......
I find that more offensive than a block party
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| Posted 7/22/13 1:02 PM |
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MrsDeVito
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by gina409
Trying to figure out how to respond to as you put it my holidays being about games and candy.......
I find that more offensive than a block party
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| Posted 7/22/13 1:03 PM |
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Pray4Baby2010
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by MrsDeVito
Posted by Paramount
To most Christians, it SEEMS that X-Mas and Easter are a time for fun and joy and games and candy and family. (Please correct me if I am wrong). It would not be offensive if the Jewish neighbors had a party. YOUR holidays are (mostly) not about quiet reflection.
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Having a block party and walking into a church during mass with music blasting are a bit different. Also your comment about our holidays being about games and candy is one of the rudest things I have ever read on this site.
Wow, I agree- that was ridiculously rude. Of course we have reflective holidays- you may only see the celebration after the fact- as Easter is the celebration after Good Friday's reflection and events but its there in our masses.
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| Posted 7/22/13 1:04 PM |
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seaside
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
One more thing. This conversation is alarming to me. Telling her not to make a fuss is shaming her for being a victim of discrimination.
There are two possibilities here. One is that her neigbors don't realize that they are pretty much excluding all Jews from attending, in which case this is a misunderstanding and innocent.
Or they do. And then THEY'RE "those" neighbors.
Silencing/shaming the OP is pretty low.
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| Posted 7/22/13 1:04 PM |
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ElizaRags35
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by gina409
Trying to figure out how to respond to as you put it my holidays being about games and candy.......
I find that more offensive than a block party
Honestly I think it depends on the person. In my family, it is about games and candy (not technically but basically) but we are also far from religious.
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MrsDeVito
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
I just have to ask what games and candy do you think Christmas and Easter are about? Christmas is about celebrating the birth of Jesus and Easter is about Him rising from the dead. Yes, there are more secular celebrations that also happen on these days but the religious meanings have nothing to do with candy or games. You asked to be told if you were wrong, well you are. Really wrong.
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| Posted 7/22/13 1:07 PM |
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gina409
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by gina409
Trying to figure out how to respond to as you put it my holidays being about games and candy.......
I find that more offensive than a block party
Honestly I think it depends on the person. In my family, it is about games and candy (not technically but basically) but we are also far from religious.
For most it is not and to make a blanket statement like that is rude
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| Posted 7/22/13 1:10 PM |
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MrsDeVito
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
There is no reason she and any other Jewish families on the block cannot still observe their holiday if the block party is happening. Especially in her case where she stated that the activities will all be far away from her house. And as far as the having to walk a couple blocks to get to your house, I find that excuse ridiculous. Being able to park right outside your house is a Long Island thing. If you lived in Queens or Brooklyn walking a couple blocks to your house would be an every day thing and you guests would be used to it. Parking steps from destination is a plus in life it's not a right.
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MrsDeVito
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by gina409
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by gina409
Trying to figure out how to respond to as you put it my holidays being about games and candy.......
I find that more offensive than a block party
Honestly I think it depends on the person. In my family, it is about games and candy (not technically but basically) but we are also far from religious.
For most it is not and to make a blanket statement like that is rude
Exactly.
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| Posted 7/22/13 1:13 PM |
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StaceyWill
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Can't you bring it up to your friend who helped plan it? Maybe they can change the date?
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| Posted 7/22/13 1:15 PM |
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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
As an aside, aren't there Jewish holidays every weekend in September this year? I realize its Yom Kippur, but the other days would also be a holiday
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| Posted 7/22/13 1:15 PM |
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ElizaRags35
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by gina409
Trying to figure out how to respond to as you put it my holidays being about games and candy.......
I find that more offensive than a block party
Honestly I think it depends on the person. In my family, it is about games and candy (not technically but basically) but we are also far from religious.
Oh I agree.. I'm just saying it didn't offend everyone (meaning me lol).
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