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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
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It doesn't matter whether the blcok is a place of worship. It doesn't even really matter whether Jews hear celebrating on that day while in their homes.
What matters is that the organizers are in effect saying "The neighborhood will be getting together on x date. Jews--don't bother."
They might not mean to say it, but they are.
Imagine sending that message to any other minority group?
I don't think that's what was said I think a vote was taken and that was the day that worked for the majority.
I agree that it was probably simply the day that worked for the majority. They probably didn't delve into the reasons WHY such and such date didn't work for some families. They just picked the date that most people agreed on, no matter what the reason was. You don't know how many other families are of the Jewish faith, that are being "excluded" in your words. What is the guarantee that the OP would have or could have participated had the planner picked a different day? I don't see in this case why what works best for the majority is wrong.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
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Posted by seaside
It doesn't matter whether the blcok is a place of worship. It doesn't even really matter whether Jews hear celebrating on that day while in their homes.
What matters is that the organizers are in effect saying "The neighborhood will be getting together on x date. Jews--don't bother."
They might not mean to say it, but they are.
Imagine sending that message to any other minority group?
I don't think that's what was said I think a vote was taken and that was the day that worked for the majority.
I agree that it was probably simply the day that worked for the majority. They probably didn't delve into the reasons WHY such and such date didn't work for some families. They just picked the date that most people agreed on, no matter what the reason was. You don't know how many other families are of the Jewish faith, that are being "excluded" in your words. What is the guarantee that the OP would have or could have participated had the planner picked a different day? I don't see in this case why what works best for the majority is wrong.
Because the choice that was given between dates should have NEVER even been a choice that a majority could vote on. That is the first thing that went wrong.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by alli3131
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Posted by evrythng4areason
As an aside, aren't there Jewish holidays every weekend in September this year? I realize its Yom Kippur, but the other days would also be a holiday
I think the point is that it's the holiest of days. It's a very solemn day.
Yes it is just about the entire month.
5-6, 14, 19-20, 26, 27.
Of which THREE of those days fall on a Friday and ONE is a Saturday. That leaves 6 other weekend days (Saturday or Sunday) to have it.
There was no reason to have the party on Yom Kippur.
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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
ah i mis-read that and apologize. I wouldn't be happy about that as well. Not that the world needs to revolve around a single person but it would of been best not to have the block party on that date. I am amazed they decided to still go with that date.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Jacksmommy
Posted by Nifheim
perhaps the individuals picking the date don't think they're super religious. don't assume it's all about segregating and being mean spirited.
perhaps OP - inform them that you are practicing a very holy holiday that you need peace and that you will be having family over. If they disrespect that, then there is an issue of being insensitive. I mean there are so many levels of people practicing religion, you can't expect everyone to know what level you are.
As I said in the OP I DID send them an email when they gave us the two choices. I basically said "Hi, I am not sure if you are aware, Yom Kippur is an extremely religious Jewish holiday. I would not be able to participate this day and would hope that this isn't the date chosen." It was disregarded and THAT is what made me want to refuse to sign.
I'm sorry I missed that you already informed them. I would DEFINITELY NOT sign under these circumstances- I think its extremely rude of them to have kept that date as an option and then for it to have been selected. 
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
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Posted by seaside
It doesn't matter whether the blcok is a place of worship. It doesn't even really matter whether Jews hear celebrating on that day while in their homes.
What matters is that the organizers are in effect saying "The neighborhood will be getting together on x date. Jews--don't bother."
They might not mean to say it, but they are.
Imagine sending that message to any other minority group?
I don't think that's what was said I think a vote was taken and that was the day that worked for the majority.
I agree that it was probably simply the day that worked for the majority. They probably didn't delve into the reasons WHY such and such date didn't work for some families. They just picked the date that most people agreed on, no matter what the reason was. You don't know how many other families are of the Jewish faith, that are being "excluded" in your words. What is the guarantee that the OP would have or could have participated had the planner picked a different day? I don't see in this case why what works best for the majority is wrong.
Even ONE family (the OP's) being excluded because they fit the broadest definition of Jewish when there were other options is offensive. It's the "why" that makes it discriminatory-because they, like almost all identifying Jews worldwide, cannot attend a party that one day.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by alli3131
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Posted by evrythng4areason
As an aside, aren't there Jewish holidays every weekend in September this year? I realize its Yom Kippur, but the other days would also be a holiday
I think the point is that it's the holiest of days. It's a very solemn day.
Yes it is just about the entire month.
5-6, 14, 19-20, 26, 27.
I don't understand. So because many of our holidays happen to fall in September (Yom Kippur being the ONLY one that falls on a Saturday) we are SOL and have to just deal??
Imagine someone telling a group of Christians that they had to 'just deal' with something that excluded them. It would be legislated to death and those that made the plans would be publicly ostracised.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by MikesBride
I'm actually disgusted at some of the responses on this thread. People really don't understand what it's like to live as a Jew in this country. The ignorance of many Christians to Jewish customs leads to outright discrimination (whether intentional or not). This is just another example. 'Well, there's only a couple of Jews, so we'll just have it anyway.' 'You shouldn't be offended, they can't accomodate EVERYONE.' The attitude that we are just supposed to lay down and take it and not be upset or make a fuss because we are a minority is incredibly offensive. I would never suggest planning something on Good Friday, Easter Sunday, OR Christmas. Is it too much to ask that our SINGLE, HOLIEST DAY be respected?
I agree- several responses on this thread are disgusting and intolerant. The fact that the OP has been forced to explain several times why she needs to create and mantain a solemn atmosphere on the holiest day of her year is sad to me.
It's a shame that the same posters who are so open minded and tolerant when the issue is marriage equality or racial discrimination cannot be bothered to be open minded when it comes to religion.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by HoneyBadger
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Posted by gina409
Trying to figure out how to respond to as you put it my holidays being about games and candy.......
I find that more offensive than a block party
I think the point that poster was trying to make was that they're not solemn holidays like, say, Good Friday is, which is true, they're most certainly not.
I think the games and candy thing came into play because lets face it, both holidays have become incredibly commercialized and if you're not well versed in Christianity you could think they're "fluff" holidays, which they aren't.
As for the block party sitch, I think you're well within your rights to not sign.
If I had to guess they chose Yom Kippur weekend because the kids will have off so it's a three day weekend whereas the other weekend is a regular two day weekend, this makes it easier to still have your weekend and not lose that day to do stuff.
Having said that, whether it's right or wrong, I do happen to agree with those who said something along the line of "don't be that neighbor", and the ONLY reason I say this is because of the politics of the entire situation. You have to live side by side with these people and keeping the peace is probably the best route to take.
Does it suck?
Absolutely!
But I'd probably sign (even though you're TOTALLY not obligated to) and just move on. Perhaps you could ask that your guest be allowed to get to your house a little early and be allowed to park by your house? I don't know if that's possible. Like I know on my parent's street, on part of the block has the party but their part doesn't partake but because there are a couple ways in it doesn't really affect them.
Anyway, it's a crappy situation and I think if you were to sign off on it, I'd suggest adding a note stating that you're disappointed in not being able to partake but you just can't because this is such a high holy day of obligation.
I don't think it really matters what was meant by the games and candy comment the fact remains that it was rude and offensive. It's ok to not know that easter and Christmas aren't just "fluff" holidays but its not ok to not realize that a block party would mean a Jewish family couldn't observe their holiday?
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Jacksmommy
Posted by Goobster
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Posted by seaside
It doesn't matter whether the blcok is a place of worship. It doesn't even really matter whether Jews hear celebrating on that day while in their homes.
What matters is that the organizers are in effect saying "The neighborhood will be getting together on x date. Jews--don't bother."
They might not mean to say it, but they are.
Imagine sending that message to any other minority group?
I don't think that's what was said I think a vote was taken and that was the day that worked for the majority.
I agree that it was probably simply the day that worked for the majority. They probably didn't delve into the reasons WHY such and such date didn't work for some families. They just picked the date that most people agreed on, no matter what the reason was. You don't know how many other families are of the Jewish faith, that are being "excluded" in your words. What is the guarantee that the OP would have or could have participated had the planner picked a different day? I don't see in this case why what works best for the majority is wrong.
Because the choice that was given between dates should have NEVER even been a choice that a majority could vote on. That is the first thing that went wrong.
I agree. The 14th shouldn't have ever been an option, the fact that they picked it was rude.
And if someone on my street decided to throw a block party on Easter Sunday or Christmas, yeah, I'd be pissed. Initially because these are two well known holidays and yet they'd still move forward with planning a community event on it anyway and secondly because it's a total pain in the ass dealing with a closed street. I'd be trying to celebrate a holiday with my family and it would be a HUGE inconvenience either for my guests to come over or for me to get out of my damn block!
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by seaside
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Posted by seaside
It doesn't matter whether the blcok is a place of worship. It doesn't even really matter whether Jews hear celebrating on that day while in their homes.
What matters is that the organizers are in effect saying "The neighborhood will be getting together on x date. Jews--don't bother."
They might not mean to say it, but they are.
Imagine sending that message to any other minority group?
I don't think that's what was said I think a vote was taken and that was the day that worked for the majority.
I agree that it was probably simply the day that worked for the majority. They probably didn't delve into the reasons WHY such and such date didn't work for some families. They just picked the date that most people agreed on, no matter what the reason was. You don't know how many other families are of the Jewish faith, that are being "excluded" in your words. What is the guarantee that the OP would have or could have participated had the planner picked a different day? I don't see in this case why what works best for the majority is wrong.
Even ONE family (the OP's) being excluded because they fit the broadest definition of Jewish when there were other options is offensive. It's the "why" that makes it discriminatory-because they, like almost all identifying Jews worldwide, cannot attend a party that one day.
I understand they cannot attend but is it possible that the planner just sees it as the same as someone who cannot make it b/c they have a birthday, a christening, or any other prior obligation? I don't think it's fair to judge the planner/neighbor as being insensitive or discriminatory when trying to plan something so difficult since it calls for collaboration from so many neighbors.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
I think the issue is not that it's just a Jewish Holiday, but that it's Yom Kippur, which is the most solemn and thoughtful even of the year, the day when even the most secular of Jews pause and take notice, the day Jews fast to atone for any wrong they have done in the year, the day they pray and remember their dead.
THAT is what makes having this party on that day so incredibly inappropriate. So, I think you have every right not to sign that paper and make the organizers aware of exactly the reason why!
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Jacksmommy
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perhaps the individuals picking the date don't think they're super religious. don't assume it's all about segregating and being mean spirited.
perhaps OP - inform them that you are practicing a very holy holiday that you need peace and that you will be having family over. If they disrespect that, then there is an issue of being insensitive. I mean there are so many levels of people practicing religion, you can't expect everyone to know what level you are.
As I said in the OP I DID send them an email when they gave us the two choices. I basically said "Hi, I am not sure if you are aware, Yom Kippur is an extremely religious Jewish holiday. I would not be able to participate this day and would hope that this isn't the date chosen." It was disregarded and THAT is what made me want to refuse to sign.
Just because it didn't go your way, doesn't mean it was disregarded. If that was the date that worked best of the majority of people, that is why it was picked.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
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Posted by Nifheim
perhaps the individuals picking the date don't think they're super religious. don't assume it's all about segregating and being mean spirited.
perhaps OP - inform them that you are practicing a very holy holiday that you need peace and that you will be having family over. If they disrespect that, then there is an issue of being insensitive. I mean there are so many levels of people practicing religion, you can't expect everyone to know what level you are.
As I said in the OP I DID send them an email when they gave us the two choices. I basically said "Hi, I am not sure if you are aware, Yom Kippur is an extremely religious Jewish holiday. I would not be able to participate this day and would hope that this isn't the date chosen." It was disregarded and THAT is what made me want to refuse to sign.
Just because it didn't go your way, doesn't mean it was disregarded. If that was the date that worked best of the majority of people, that is why it was picked.
Then someone should have said something to me, instead of just getting a flyer with the date in my mailbox!
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by seaside
Posted by Goobster
Posted by MrsDeVito
Posted by seaside
It doesn't matter whether the blcok is a place of worship. It doesn't even really matter whether Jews hear celebrating on that day while in their homes.
What matters is that the organizers are in effect saying "The neighborhood will be getting together on x date. Jews--don't bother."
They might not mean to say it, but they are.
Imagine sending that message to any other minority group?
I don't think that's what was said I think a vote was taken and that was the day that worked for the majority.
I agree that it was probably simply the day that worked for the majority. They probably didn't delve into the reasons WHY such and such date didn't work for some families. They just picked the date that most people agreed on, no matter what the reason was. You don't know how many other families are of the Jewish faith, that are being "excluded" in your words. What is the guarantee that the OP would have or could have participated had the planner picked a different day? I don't see in this case why what works best for the majority is wrong.
Even ONE family (the OP's) being excluded because they fit the broadest definition of Jewish when there were other options is offensive. It's the "why" that makes it discriminatory-because they, like almost all identifying Jews worldwide, cannot attend a party that one day.
Offensive? WTF is wrong with you? What is offensive about having a block party on Yom Kippur.
Because they essentially EXCLUDED an entire group of people from attending. That is what is offensive.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by MrsDeVito
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Posted by gina409
Trying to figure out how to respond to as you put it my holidays being about games and candy.......
I find that more offensive than a block party
I think the point that poster was trying to make was that they're not solemn holidays like, say, Good Friday is, which is true, they're most certainly not.
I think the games and candy thing came into play because lets face it, both holidays have become incredibly commercialized and if you're not well versed in Christianity you could think they're "fluff" holidays, which they aren't.
As for the block party sitch, I think you're well within your rights to not sign.
If I had to guess they chose Yom Kippur weekend because the kids will have off so it's a three day weekend whereas the other weekend is a regular two day weekend, this makes it easier to still have your weekend and not lose that day to do stuff.
Having said that, whether it's right or wrong, I do happen to agree with those who said something along the line of "don't be that neighbor", and the ONLY reason I say this is because of the politics of the entire situation. You have to live side by side with these people and keeping the peace is probably the best route to take.
Does it suck?
Absolutely!
But I'd probably sign (even though you're TOTALLY not obligated to) and just move on. Perhaps you could ask that your guest be allowed to get to your house a little early and be allowed to park by your house? I don't know if that's possible. Like I know on my parent's street, on part of the block has the party but their part doesn't partake but because there are a couple ways in it doesn't really affect them.
Anyway, it's a crappy situation and I think if you were to sign off on it, I'd suggest adding a note stating that you're disappointed in not being able to partake but you just can't because this is such a high holy day of obligation.
I don't think it really matters what was meant by the games and candy comment the fact remains that it was rude and offensive. It's ok to not know that easter and Christmas aren't just "fluff" holidays but its not ok to not realize that a block party would mean a Jewish family couldn't observe their holiday?
I don't see how the "games, candy" comment was offensive, I really don't. FTR, I'm Roman Catholic so I celebrate those very holidays and do see how commercialized they are and how it's easy to see how someone who isn't as educated in our religion wouldn't think it's more than a "fluff" holiday. Kind of like Hanukkah. NONE of the holidays I mentioned are really "fluff" holidays but the fact that they're so commercialized makes them seem that way. That's all *I* was saying.
But more so, I think the fact that it's a known holiday, on the calendar, and yet the hosts STILL decided to put it out there as a possible date was wrong.
It would be wrong if they did it on a Catholic holiday too!
I'm all for equality!  
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Jacksmommy
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Posted by Nifheim
perhaps the individuals picking the date don't think they're super religious. don't assume it's all about segregating and being mean spirited.
perhaps OP - inform them that you are practicing a very holy holiday that you need peace and that you will be having family over. If they disrespect that, then there is an issue of being insensitive. I mean there are so many levels of people practicing religion, you can't expect everyone to know what level you are.
As I said in the OP I DID send them an email when they gave us the two choices. I basically said "Hi, I am not sure if you are aware, Yom Kippur is an extremely religious Jewish holiday. I would not be able to participate this day and would hope that this isn't the date chosen." It was disregarded and THAT is what made me want to refuse to sign.
Just because it didn't go your way, doesn't mean it was disregarded. If that was the date that worked best of the majority of people, that is why it was picked.
Then someone should have said something to me, instead of just getting a flyer with the date in my mailbox!
Why should you be notified any differently than the rest of your neighbors?
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
OP I see that you mentioned to the coordinator that it was a holiday for you and you wouldn't be able to attend. Is it possible that she doesn't realize that bc of the nature of the holiday that having a block party outside isnt the best situation? Maybe she just needs to be told that and then would be completely fine with changing the date. I still don't know how I feel about it not being ok for something going on outside to happen because of something happening in someone's house but if I were the person coordinating and it was brought to my knowledge that your holiday would be unable to be observed bc of the block party I would try to change the date. I think most people would.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Jacksmommy
Posted by SlurpeeDad
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Posted by Nifheim
perhaps the individuals picking the date don't think they're super religious. don't assume it's all about segregating and being mean spirited.
perhaps OP - inform them that you are practicing a very holy holiday that you need peace and that you will be having family over. If they disrespect that, then there is an issue of being insensitive. I mean there are so many levels of people practicing religion, you can't expect everyone to know what level you are.
As I said in the OP I DID send them an email when they gave us the two choices. I basically said "Hi, I am not sure if you are aware, Yom Kippur is an extremely religious Jewish holiday. I would not be able to participate this day and would hope that this isn't the date chosen." It was disregarded and THAT is what made me want to refuse to sign.
Just because it didn't go your way, doesn't mean it was disregarded. If that was the date that worked best of the majority of people, that is why it was picked.
Then someone should have said something to me, instead of just getting a flyer with the date in my mailbox!
I don't mean to be snarky. But it's tough to plan something like a block party. I am quite sure the person who is planning it has plenty of things on their mind and is probably plenty busy too and didn't think they needed to come give a personal explanation when the date was picked. I really don't mean that to be snarky at all. I am sure they heard plenty of things from plenty of neighbors why this or that day didn't work, and they just compiled the majority vote and picked that date. And everyone got a flyer and that was that.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by seaside
Posted by Goobster
Posted by MrsDeVito
Posted by seaside
It doesn't matter whether the blcok is a place of worship. It doesn't even really matter whether Jews hear celebrating on that day while in their homes.
What matters is that the organizers are in effect saying "The neighborhood will be getting together on x date. Jews--don't bother."
They might not mean to say it, but they are.
Imagine sending that message to any other minority group?
I don't think that's what was said I think a vote was taken and that was the day that worked for the majority.
I agree that it was probably simply the day that worked for the majority. They probably didn't delve into the reasons WHY such and such date didn't work for some families. They just picked the date that most people agreed on, no matter what the reason was. You don't know how many other families are of the Jewish faith, that are being "excluded" in your words. What is the guarantee that the OP would have or could have participated had the planner picked a different day? I don't see in this case why what works best for the majority is wrong.
Even ONE family (the OP's) being excluded because they fit the broadest definition of Jewish when there were other options is offensive. It's the "why" that makes it discriminatory-because they, like almost all identifying Jews worldwide, cannot attend a party that one day.
Offensive? WTF is wrong with you? What is offensive about having a block party on Yom Kippur.
It's offensive bc it automatically excludes the Jewish families. That's why. She told the person putting it together that it was a high holiday of the Jewish faith and she should consider picking other dates.
If someone said change the date bc I'll be in the Bahamas that's one thing. This is saying this date does not work for Jews so yes, they are excluded. No, having a party outside the home isn't wrong, but the roads are blocked and keeping her from going to temple, praying, having family over, etc.
Another date that is on a nonreligious holiday would've worked better.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Jacksmommy
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by seaside
Posted by Goobster
Posted by MrsDeVito
Posted by seaside
It doesn't matter whether the blcok is a place of worship. It doesn't even really matter whether Jews hear celebrating on that day while in their homes.
What matters is that the organizers are in effect saying "The neighborhood will be getting together on x date. Jews--don't bother."
They might not mean to say it, but they are.
Imagine sending that message to any other minority group?
I don't think that's what was said I think a vote was taken and that was the day that worked for the majority.
I agree that it was probably simply the day that worked for the majority. They probably didn't delve into the reasons WHY such and such date didn't work for some families. They just picked the date that most people agreed on, no matter what the reason was. You don't know how many other families are of the Jewish faith, that are being "excluded" in your words. What is the guarantee that the OP would have or could have participated had the planner picked a different day? I don't see in this case why what works best for the majority is wrong.
Even ONE family (the OP's) being excluded because they fit the broadest definition of Jewish when there were other options is offensive. It's the "why" that makes it discriminatory-because they, like almost all identifying Jews worldwide, cannot attend a party that one day.
Offensive? WTF is wrong with you? What is offensive about having a block party on Yom Kippur.
Because they essentially EXCLUDED an entire group of people from attending. That is what is offensive.
Maybe the rest of the block is offended because one group of people is trying to stop the party for everyone else. Woah is me, woah is me.
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alli3131
Peanut is here!!!!!!
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by MikesBride
Posted by alli3131
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by evrythng4areason
As an aside, aren't there Jewish holidays every weekend in September this year? I realize its Yom Kippur, but the other days would also be a holiday
I think the point is that it's the holiest of days. It's a very solemn day.
Yes it is just about the entire month.
5-6, 14, 19-20, 26, 27.
I don't understand. So because many of our holidays happen to fall in September (Yom Kippur being the ONLY one that falls on a Saturday) we are SOL and have to just deal??
Imagine someone telling a group of Christians that they had to 'just deal' with something that excluded them. It would be legislated to death and those that made the plans would be publicly ostracised.
Calm down......I never said anything other than giving the dates. Someone asked and I answered.
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| Posted 7/22/13 2:01 PM |
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SlurpeeDad
LIF Adolescent
Member since 1/11 713 total posts
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by EricaAlt
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by seaside
Posted by Goobster
Posted by MrsDeVito
Posted by seaside
It doesn't matter whether the blcok is a place of worship. It doesn't even really matter whether Jews hear celebrating on that day while in their homes.
What matters is that the organizers are in effect saying "The neighborhood will be getting together on x date. Jews--don't bother."
They might not mean to say it, but they are.
Imagine sending that message to any other minority group?
I don't think that's what was said I think a vote was taken and that was the day that worked for the majority.
I agree that it was probably simply the day that worked for the majority. They probably didn't delve into the reasons WHY such and such date didn't work for some families. They just picked the date that most people agreed on, no matter what the reason was. You don't know how many other families are of the Jewish faith, that are being "excluded" in your words. What is the guarantee that the OP would have or could have participated had the planner picked a different day? I don't see in this case why what works best for the majority is wrong.
Even ONE family (the OP's) being excluded because they fit the broadest definition of Jewish when there were other options is offensive. It's the "why" that makes it discriminatory-because they, like almost all identifying Jews worldwide, cannot attend a party that one day.
Offensive? WTF is wrong with you? What is offensive about having a block party on Yom Kippur.
It's offensive bc it automatically excludes the Jewish families. That's why. She told the person putting it together that it was a high holiday of the Jewish faith and she should consider picking other dates.
If someone said change the date bc I'll be in the Bahamas that's one thing. This is saying this date does not work for Jews so yes, they are excluded. No, having a party outside the home isn't wrong, but the roads are blocked and keeping her from going to temple, praying, having family over, etc.
Another date that is on a nonreligious holiday would've worked better.
I understand what you are saying, but maybe that date would have worked better for HER and not everyone else. And last I checked, a block party doesn't mean you can't leave the house. Plan ahead.
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Maybe-Baybe
My Sunshine
Member since 7/12 3415 total posts
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
I think it was rude that they considered the 14th as an option solely because you brought it to their attention when they gave the two dates. If they didn't realize it was a holiday before hand, fine, most people wouldn't. But to continue to keep the 14th as an option was not considerate.
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| Posted 7/22/13 2:04 PM |
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MikesBride
LIF Adult
Member since 12/09 1245 total posts
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Ilana
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by Jacksmommy
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by seaside
Posted by Goobster
Posted by MrsDeVito
Posted by seaside
It doesn't matter whether the blcok is a place of worship. It doesn't even really matter whether Jews hear celebrating on that day while in their homes.
What matters is that the organizers are in effect saying "The neighborhood will be getting together on x date. Jews--don't bother."
They might not mean to say it, but they are.
Imagine sending that message to any other minority group?
I don't think that's what was said I think a vote was taken and that was the day that worked for the majority.
I agree that it was probably simply the day that worked for the majority. They probably didn't delve into the reasons WHY such and such date didn't work for some families. They just picked the date that most people agreed on, no matter what the reason was. You don't know how many other families are of the Jewish faith, that are being "excluded" in your words. What is the guarantee that the OP would have or could have participated had the planner picked a different day? I don't see in this case why what works best for the majority is wrong.
Even ONE family (the OP's) being excluded because they fit the broadest definition of Jewish when there were other options is offensive. It's the "why" that makes it discriminatory-because they, like almost all identifying Jews worldwide, cannot attend a party that one day.
Offensive? WTF is wrong with you? What is offensive about having a block party on Yom Kippur.
Because they essentially EXCLUDED an entire group of people from attending. That is what is offensive.
Maybe the rest of the block is offended because one group of people is trying to stop the party for everyone else. Woah is me, woah is me.
WTF is wrong with YOU?? You are horribly discriminatory and completely insensitive.
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