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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
While I am pro-choice, I am not agreeing to someone using abortion (like somebody said was done 5 times!). Yet, I am still not that person.
Ophelia brought a good point about the talk of keeping the baby at all cost then what happens after that.
I mean, I had the best support when I was PG. Regular visit at the Dr, test for DS, etc.....
Then the baby come. And we are all here on the PG board. Completely lost. Asking questions.
Because the support we really need is after the baby is born really. It does not stop at 40 weeks.
I try to ask my ped questions. DS was so colicky. I did my belly massages on him. One of the Ped said, "oh he will outgrow it at 3 month old".
Even with the best DH, I don't know all the answers and it's challenging.
I can't imagine what an unwanted pregnancy is. Some women will keep the baby even is not married but most cannot even imagine.
And the adoption at term. I was so freaking sick during my pregnancy. I was so done at the end. And DS was so wanted by both DH and I. I cannot imagine carrying a child I don't want in me and putting up with the stuff I went through.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by Deedlebug126
Ok, I will say that I believe in special circumstances (rape/incest/life in danger) but not after 10 weeks.
Edited, because my keyboard is sticking
What about cases where there is something horribly wrong with the baby, so much so that the baby would live a very short painful life if the baby lived at all after birth? This wouldn't be detected until around 11 weeks at the very earliest, often later still for amnios.
I ask this because the genetic counselor we saw described some of the things that could go wrong, and there were some disorders that sound horrible (no I don't mean Down's Syndrome). It's a tough decision to abort, but sometimes it may not be in the baby's or the mother's best interests to continue the pregnancy.
I agree the percentage of people terminating pregnancies for this reason is probably small, but it is an important issue.
I should say I am not personally for abortion (and I don't think many people would say they are), but I do think women deserve choices.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
ETA: 
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
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Can a pro-choicer out there answer that??? I heard and saw a heartbeat. I heard and saw life. I legitimately WANT to know how you can switch off your emotions and say, "that is not a life" at 5 weeks? Then terminate that life. I am really trying to get it and I cannot wrap my brain around it. PLEASE someone, tell me how that is even possible.
Because that heartbeat is nothing outside of your body. IMO it's not life. Maybe it's the start of the process the eventually becomes life at birth but that little flicker is not life.
Yes when you want a baby it's so great and such a relief to see that heartbeat but when you don't want a baby it really doesn't mean quite the same thing.
So life depends on weather or not You "want" the baby? 
I do not feel that woman should have children just b/c I cannot. That is actually pretty ballsy for you to say to me. I mean I pour my heart out on here and I get:
Posted by monkeybride
I'm sorry you can't have anymore children, I really am but that doesn't mean that other people should have to have children they don't want. There are plenty of babies to be adopted in the US, problem is a lot of them have special needs because they were born to drug addicted parents and what not. Those babies get caught in the system. I know this because I see them fostered all the time by patients of mine. Never get adopted though. How sad.
IF you actually read my post, you would know that I want to adopt these kids, yet I am NOT allowed to.
Thanks for being so understanding. Sorry that by me expressing how I truly feel made you so upset that you felt the need to shove a knife into my heart and point out again how I cannot have any more children AND that I should not force others to have children since I cannot anymore. THANKS. Glad we are not hitting below the belt on here anymore.
I AM DONE HERE.
I sent you FM as well but I think you took my post the wrong way. I didn't not mean to hurt your or insult you in any way. I was trying to give an honest answer to your question.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by monkeybride
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Posted by monkeybride
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Can a pro-choicer out there answer that??? I heard and saw a heartbeat. I heard and saw life. I legitimately WANT to know how you can switch off your emotions and say, "that is not a life" at 5 weeks? Then terminate that life. I am really trying to get it and I cannot wrap my brain around it. PLEASE someone, tell me how that is even possible.
Because that heartbeat is nothing outside of your body. IMO it's not life. Maybe it's the start of the process the eventually becomes life at birth but that little flicker is not life.
Yes when you want a baby it's so great and such a relief to see that heartbeat but when you don't want a baby it really doesn't mean quite the same thing.
So life depends on weather or not You "want" the baby?
I do not feel that woman should have children just b/c I cannot. That is actually pretty ballsy for you to say to me. I mean I pour my heart out on here and I get:
Posted by monkeybride
I'm sorry you can't have anymore children, I really am but that doesn't mean that other people should have to have children they don't want. There are plenty of babies to be adopted in the US, problem is a lot of them have special needs because they were born to drug addicted parents and what not. Those babies get caught in the system. I know this because I see them fostered all the time by patients of mine. Never get adopted though. How sad.
IF you actually read my post, you would know that I want to adopt these kids, yet I am NOT allowed to.
Thanks for being so understanding. Sorry that by me expressing how I truly feel made you so upset that you felt the need to shove a knife into my heart and point out again how I cannot have any more children AND that I should not force others to have children since I cannot anymore. THANKS. Glad we are not hitting below the belt on here anymore.
I AM DONE HERE.
I sent you FM as well but I think you took my post the wrong way. I didn't not mean to hurt your or insult you in any way. I was trying to give an honest answer to your question.
I know. I got your FM & I changed my post. 
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
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I DO see making abortion illegal as a deterrant. Will some women STILL go to lengths to get abortions ANYWAY? Yes, I know they will and I understand it is a horrible reality BUT I feel that making abortion illegal WILL make MORE women choose to better protect themselves against pregnancy AND choose alternatives IF they do become pregnant anyway.
ITA! and although my heart aches for the women that may have been abused and find themselves pregnant, these are very very few and far between. I think we can all agree that there are always a few heart wrenching stories that cause some women to choose abortion. however, the vast majority of abortions are used on women that use it as birth control, those that refuse to take responsiblity for their actions or do not want to deal with a baby that has special needs or other imperfections and that is sad.
Ummm where is this information from?
where were all the women having back alley abortions before Roe v. Wade? that argument is not a good one for keeping abortion legal, IMO. there are several countries around the world where abortion is illegal and they do not have that problem.
This is laughable! Do you think you know of every person that has died or been made sterile from back alley abortions?
My feeling is people should do whatever they want with themselves and raise their families how they like. Keep your laws off my body!
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by Deedlebug126
I don't think that abortion is the "easy way out" per se, however, I agree that the alternative would be to suck it up and take responsibility for the life you created and if you're not willing to do that, then you have no right having s*x.
I completely agree with this point of view.
Mind you, I've never been blessed enough to get pregnant the "old-fashioned way", but I do envy any woman that has, or can.
I am definitely a Democrat, but I'm one of those rare Democrats that is pro-life. With so many people in the world who cannot have children, I feel that adoption is a wonderful option. I understand this would be an extremely difficult situation for, say, a rape victim. But as the previous poster said, for those that got pregnant with someone that they were with voluntarily, I think the responsible thing to do is to own your "mistake". I don't think killing a living thing should be an option.
Something to keep in mind: Each of our mothers chose to let us live. Think of the alternative.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
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Posted by Deedlebug126
I don't think that abortion is the "easy way out" per se, however, I agree that the alternative would be to suck it up and take responsibility for the life you created and if you're not willing to do that, then you have no right having s*x.
I completely agree with this point of view.
Mind you, I've never been blessed enough to get pregnant the "old-fashioned way", but I do envy any woman that has, or can.
I am definitely a Democrat, but I'm one of those rare Democrats that is pro-life. With so many people in the world who cannot have children, I feel that adoption is a wonderful option. I understand this would be an extremely difficult situation for, say, a rape victim. But as the previous poster said, for those that got pregnant with someone that they were with voluntarily, I think the responsible thing to do is to own your "mistake". I don't think killing a living thing should be an option.
Something to keep in mind: Each of our mothers chose to let us live. Think of the alternative.
As someone who has HAD an abortion, I am INSULTED that ANYONE here would think having one was an EASY WAY OUT for me.
I had mine over 13 years ago and rest assured there isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about the decision I made.
Believe me when I tell you, it was NOT an easiy CHOICE for me, but I am GRATEFUL I had the RIGHT to make that decision.
I think unless you've WALKED in those shoes, it's VERY easy to say "oh just don't have sex, or just give up the baby for adoption" but until YOU'RE in those shoes as a KID you'll NEVER know.
Believe me, I would NEVER encourage anyone to go through with it but I would UNDOUBTEDLY support someone if that was the decision they made.
I'm shocked, sincerely SHOCKED that some of you think having an abortion is the "EASY" way out.
CLEARLY you don't know what the HELL you're talking about.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
As someone who has HAD an abortion, I am INSULTED that ANYONE here would think having one was an EASY WAY OUT for me.
I had mine over 13 years ago and rest assured there isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about the decision I made.
Believe me when I tell you, it was NOT an easiy CHOICE for me, but I am GRATEFUL I had the RIGHT to make that decision.
I think unless you've WALKED in those shoes, it's VERY easy to say "oh just don't have sex, or just give up the baby for adoption" but until YOU'RE in those shoes as a KID you'll NEVER know.
Believe me, I would NEVER encourage anyone to go through with it but I would UNDOUBTEDLY support someone if that was the decision they made.
I'm shocked, sincerely SHOCKED that some of you think having an abortion is the "EASY" way out.
CLEARLY you don't know what the HELL you're talking about.
Preach, sister!! 
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by BRod-Cheng
As someone who has HAD an abortion, I am INSULTED that ANYONE here would think having one was an EASY WAY OUT for me.
I had mine over 13 years ago and rest assured there isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about the decision I made.
Believe me when I tell you, it was NOT an easiy CHOICE for me, but I am GRATEFUL I had the RIGHT to make that decision.
I think unless you've WALKED in those shoes, it's VERY easy to say "oh just don't have sex, or just give up the baby for adoption" but until YOU'RE in those shoes as a KID you'll NEVER know.
Believe me, I would NEVER encourage anyone to go through with it but I would UNDOUBTEDLY support someone if that was the decision they made.
I'm shocked, sincerely SHOCKED that some of you think having an abortion is the "EASY" way out.
CLEARLY you don't know what the HELL you're talking about.
Preach, sister!!
I completely agree
I do think there should be some guidelines for abortion, but the problem is how and who would be making those guidelines? The issue I see is that while we are viewing this issue as a somewhat gray area (ok in rape/incest, etc), the people who are in government are looking at this as a more black and white issue. It's legal or it's not. That scares me a bit. I have my views regarding abortion...FOR MYSELF. I will not judge or cram my beliefs down anyone else's throats, since they may not have the same experiences/beliefs as do. I do believe that abortion should not be used as a form of birth control. I believe that woman should be seriously counselled before and after these procedures (I have known people who have had abortions, and one of the main reasons I would not opt for it is because I have seen some of the emotional scars it CAN cause....not for everyone, of course). I believe that abortion should be available to individuals who decide to terminate for: rape, incest, health/medical reasons for the baby AND THE MOTHER. However, although I feel that abortion is ok in some cases, not so much in others...I would not dare to force someone else to have a baby to term against their will...unless I myself am willing to take care of this baby and this mother. I don't think abortion is an easy decision at all to make...those who have had abortions and know the procedure can vouche for that. I don't think adoption is an easy decision to make either. I don't think a child possesses the maturity or foresight to make those decisions, and fact is, most of the time young kids start having sex due to peer pressures and wanting to be "grown up". This, along with the lack of quality education on the subject, increases the possibility of kids engaging in sex before they are ready to deal with the consequences. Much adolescent behavior is due to kids not realizing there are actual consequences to their actions.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
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Posted by Deedlebug126
I don't think that abortion is the "easy way out" per se, however, I agree that the alternative would be to suck it up and take responsibility for the life you created and if you're not willing to do that, then you have no right having s*x.
I completely agree with this point of view.
Mind you, I've never been blessed enough to get pregnant the "old-fashioned way", but I do envy any woman that has, or can.
I am definitely a Democrat, but I'm one of those rare Democrats that is pro-life. With so many people in the world who cannot have children, I feel that adoption is a wonderful option. I understand this would be an extremely difficult situation for, say, a rape victim. But as the previous poster said, for those that got pregnant with someone that they were with voluntarily, I think the responsible thing to do is to own your "mistake". I don't think killing a living thing should be an option.
Something to keep in mind: Each of our mothers chose to let us live. Think of the alternative.
I understand that since you had some issues getting pregnant that you feel very sensitive about the idea of someone voluntarily ending a pregnancy--and I'm sorry that you had any type of IF issues. However remember, unless you know what its like to experience an unwanted pregnancy, its hard to say "well you shouldn't be having sex or just give it up for adoption". Everyone's situation is different.
For me, when I found out I was pregnant, my life was in shambles--I was young, irresponsible, and doing every single drug known to man. I didn't care about anything but when I was popping my next pill or putting something up my nose. I don't doubt that I had probably damaged the fetus already with my party style, and when I realized I was pregnant...I knew there was absolutely no way I could go thru with my pregnancy. I could barely wipe my @ss. Have the pregnancy to full term would mean I probably would have continued doing drugs no matter what, because that was more important to me than anything. So ending it for ME was what I knew would be right...but I 'm sure plenty of people would say that it wasn't right to them..but that's the thing. I have to deal with it, no one else.
And I know everyone keeps saying "well what about adoption?" Honestly I think everyone has this fairytale notion that you can give up the baby for adoption and everything is okay--heck, how many children are in group homes, orphanges, foster care, etc? So many people talk about the adoption & foster care---but really how many people on this board who are pro-life and gun ho for people to give up their babies for adoption will EVER become an adoptive or foster parent in their lifetime? Chances are a VERY small percentage. Its a solution that everyone suggests, but its not really followed thru upon by those who suggest it.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by MrsRivera
Posted by Deedlebug126
I don't think that abortion is the "easy way out" per se, however, I agree that the alternative would be to suck it up and take responsibility for the life you created and if you're not willing to do that, then you have no right having s*x.
I completely agree with this point of view.
Mind you, I've never been blessed enough to get pregnant the "old-fashioned way", but I do envy any woman that has, or can.
I am definitely a Democrat, but I'm one of those rare Democrats that is pro-life. With so many people in the world who cannot have children, I feel that adoption is a wonderful option. I understand this would be an extremely difficult situation for, say, a rape victim. But as the previous poster said, for those that got pregnant with someone that they were with voluntarily, I think the responsible thing to do is to own your "mistake". I don't think killing a living thing should be an option.
Something to keep in mind: Each of our mothers chose to let us live. Think of the alternative.
Again the bottom line is that you consider it life while I do not. Like I said in the other thread, the core of this debate is the belief that life does or does not begin at conception. I'm not saying one way is right or wrong but a lot of pro choice people are going to argue that life does not begin at conception, myself included. The process that becomes life at birth begins IMO but not life in the sense that you are committing murder.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
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Posted by MrsRivera
Posted by Deedlebug126
I don't think that abortion is the "easy way out" per se, however, I agree that the alternative would be to suck it up and take responsibility for the life you created and if you're not willing to do that, then you have no right having s*x.
I completely agree with this point of view.
Mind you, I've never been blessed enough to get pregnant the "old-fashioned way", but I do envy any woman that has, or can.
I am definitely a Democrat, but I'm one of those rare Democrats that is pro-life. With so many people in the world who cannot have children, I feel that adoption is a wonderful option. I understand this would be an extremely difficult situation for, say, a rape victim. But as the previous poster said, for those that got pregnant with someone that they were with voluntarily, I think the responsible thing to do is to own your "mistake". I don't think killing a living thing should be an option.
Something to keep in mind: Each of our mothers chose to let us live. Think of the alternative.
As someone who has HAD an abortion, I am INSULTED that ANYONE here would think having one was an EASY WAY OUT for me.
I had mine over 13 years ago and rest assured there isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about the decision I made.
Believe me when I tell you, it was NOT an easiy CHOICE for me, but I am GRATEFUL I had the RIGHT to make that decision.
I think unless you've WALKED in those shoes, it's VERY easy to say "oh just don't have sex, or just give up the baby for adoption" but until YOU'RE in those shoes as a KID you'll NEVER know.
Believe me, I would NEVER encourage anyone to go through with it but I would UNDOUBTEDLY support someone if that was the decision they made.
I'm shocked, sincerely SHOCKED that some of you think having an abortion is the "EASY" way out.
CLEARLY you don't know what the HELL you're talking about.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by monkeybride
Posted by MrsRivera
Posted by Deedlebug126
I don't think that abortion is the "easy way out" per se, however, I agree that the alternative would be to suck it up and take responsibility for the life you created and if you're not willing to do that, then you have no right having s*x.
I completely agree with this point of view.
Mind you, I've never been blessed enough to get pregnant the "old-fashioned way", but I do envy any woman that has, or can.
I am definitely a Democrat, but I'm one of those rare Democrats that is pro-life. With so many people in the world who cannot have children, I feel that adoption is a wonderful option. I understand this would be an extremely difficult situation for, say, a rape victim. But as the previous poster said, for those that got pregnant with someone that they were with voluntarily, I think the responsible thing to do is to own your "mistake". I don't think killing a living thing should be an option.
Something to keep in mind: Each of our mothers chose to let us live. Think of the alternative.
Again the bottom line is that you consider it life while I do not. Like I said in the other thread, the core of this debate is the belief that life does or does not begin at conception. I'm not saying one way is right or wrong but a lot of pro choice people are going to argue that life does not begin at conception, myself included. The process that becomes life at birth begins IMO but not life in the sense that you are committing murder.
Ture...some religions believe that life begins once the baby exits the womb, while others believe that is begins at conception.
Honestly though, scientificly, a cell is a living thing. So therefore, scientificly, two living things combine to form one living thing (amazing, isn't it?).
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by LittleBlueBug
Posted by monkeybride
Posted by MrsRivera
Posted by Deedlebug126
I don't think that abortion is the "easy way out" per se, however, I agree that the alternative would be to suck it up and take responsibility for the life you created and if you're not willing to do that, then you have no right having s*x.
I completely agree with this point of view.
Mind you, I've never been blessed enough to get pregnant the "old-fashioned way", but I do envy any woman that has, or can.
I am definitely a Democrat, but I'm one of those rare Democrats that is pro-life. With so many people in the world who cannot have children, I feel that adoption is a wonderful option. I understand this would be an extremely difficult situation for, say, a rape victim. But as the previous poster said, for those that got pregnant with someone that they were with voluntarily, I think the responsible thing to do is to own your "mistake". I don't think killing a living thing should be an option.
Something to keep in mind: Each of our mothers chose to let us live. Think of the alternative.
Again the bottom line is that you consider it life while I do not. Like I said in the other thread, the core of this debate is the belief that life does or does not begin at conception. I'm not saying one way is right or wrong but a lot of pro choice people are going to argue that life does not begin at conception, myself included. The process that becomes life at birth begins IMO but not life in the sense that you are committing murder.
Ture...some religions believe that life begins once the baby exits the womb, while others believe that is begins at conception.
Honestly though, scientificly, a cell is a living thing. So therefore, scientificly, two living things combine to form one living thing (amazing, isn't it?).
However, when I hear of that, I think of an unicellular organism, or a simple multicellular organism that can live independently, for example an amoeba or a paramecium. A zygote or fetus in the early stages of life cannot live independently of the mother. It's a completely different thing.
That being said, I do not believe in abortion. But I also don't believe in taking away another woman's choice because of my beliefs.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by melijane
Posted by donegal419
Posted by Tilde
I DO see making abortion illegal as a deterrant. Will some women STILL go to lengths to get abortions ANYWAY? Yes, I know they will and I understand it is a horrible reality BUT I feel that making abortion illegal WILL make MORE women choose to better protect themselves against pregnancy AND choose alternatives IF they do become pregnant anyway.
ITA! and although my heart aches for the women that may have been abused and find themselves pregnant, these are very very few and far between. I think we can all agree that there are always a few heart wrenching stories that cause some women to choose abortion. however, the vast majority of abortions are used on women that use it as birth control, those that refuse to take responsiblity for their actions or do not want to deal with a baby that has special needs or other imperfections and that is sad.
Ummm where is this information from?
where were all the women having back alley abortions before Roe v. Wade? that argument is not a good one for keeping abortion legal, IMO. there are several countries around the world where abortion is illegal and they do not have that problem.
This is laughable! Do you think you know of every person that has died or been made sterile from back alley abortions?
My feeling is people should do whatever they want with themselves and raise their families how they like. Keep your laws off my body!
there are MANY situations that lend to abortion...the vast majority is NOT using it as birth control.
I know a women on another message board I go to. She FINALLY got PG on her 7th IVF...it took her 9 years to get PG....through all treatments.
She got Hyperemesis..its a very very dangerous health condition in PG that can kill the mohter or baby.
She was throwing up 40 times a day , in the hospital , having heart issues, unable to move her head from sickness, all she prayed for was to die, or M/c because she was literally dying slowly.
Her Dr's BEGGED her to have an abortion b/c her case was so bad, they didnt honestly know if the baby would survive it all in the end.
Anyway..she did. She had whats called a therapuetic abortion and while her health is back, she may forever lose her mind from what she went through.
What do you suggest she had done? Risked her life further? They warned her of post tramatic stess disorder even.
And how can you say she didnt want this child after trying for soo long.
bottom line is there are SOOO many stories you would never think of even knowing.
Its too easy to judge. People hardly EVER know the 100% of the story before judging. 
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by Deedlebug126
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What about a man who Wants the baby but the woman claims "it's my body"?
It's her body end of story!
But then how is that fair? There is something seriously wrong with this. So if she chooses to keep the baby, he has to support it but if he wants it and she doesnt, thats it? Bye bye baby?
good luck getting the father to support either of them-especially if the father is a 15 year old. The courts are full of men who are deadbeats that never pay a dime of child support. It's a horrible system in family court. It will always be primarily the woman's responsibility no matter what. If the man had to be pregnant, the world would be different.
There's no easy answer.
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by Cpt2007
Posted by donegal419
but if it not a selfish choice, then most people wouldn't do it. how is abortion not a selfish choice?
ETA: I didn't say it was an EASY choice, but I still think it's a selfish one.
You can judge from where you sit and say that a woman that has one is selfish, but you have NO idea what is going on in her mind or her life, and what kind of life the child would be brought into.
EXACTYLY...ever hear of "judge not....."?
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Re: Spin-off to abortion posts....What's the alternative?
Posted by donegal419
but if it not a selfish choice, then most people wouldn't do it. how is abortion not a selfish choice?
ETA: I didn't say it was an EASY choice, but I still think it's a selfish one.
I guess it would depend on the reasons for the abortion wouldn't it?
Was it because they didn't feel that they were mentally ready for a child & couldn't care for one?
Was it that they didn't want to change their life?
One is a selfish reason, the other is not.
There are a milion reasons, it is not a standard "selfish" choice.
Message edited 9/9/2008 10:49:02 AM.
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