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AngnShaun
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
I dont have a problem with not saying it... it is a little bit weird, but only because i grew up saying it every day... but i much prefer the Star Spangled Banner to the Pledge of Allegiance anyway!
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bahumbug
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
i have to wonder that if these students are being TOLD to be offended by the "under god" part.
i remember being in a multicultural elementary, middle, and high school, and we never had that issue of being offended.
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| Posted 9/9/11 10:33 AM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
For those rolling their eyes as people needing to complain all of the time, this post was to ask our opinion. There are varying opinions on it.
If the minority can respect your opinion & ask questions as to why you believe in the way you do, you should be giving other posters that same courtesy.
If you're going to cite tradition, leaving well enough alone, etc., then READ up on the history of the pledge. Read what led to the changes over the years, cite facts.
And for the record, rolling your eyes is a pathetic way of expressing your beliefs.
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| Posted 9/9/11 10:35 AM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
Posted by Songwriter76
Posted by Hofstra26
Rewriting the Pledge is LUDICROUS to me and eliminating it is equally as RIDICULOUS.
So then you have an issue with Eisenhower "rewriting" the pledge when he added "Under God."
I actually don't have an issue with anything because I am too busy worrying about real things in my life as opposed to getting hung up on the wording in the Pledge.
As for Eisenhower rewriting it, it doesn't bother me because I wasn't born at the time and all I know is the Pledge that we have today. I think rewriting it TODAY so as to not offend every Tom, D!ck, and Harry in this country is BS. People are SO self involved.......all anyone does in this country today is WHINE about their feelings, their rights, their beliefs. It's such a self centered world we live in.
Look, if you're offended by the Pledge..........get over it or go move to France if you don't like it. I mean really, this is absolute nonsense. God knows that even if it was rewritten somehow the NEW wording would offend some other crazy nut out there. You can't win. Leave well enough alone and worry about something that actually matters in this country.
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| Posted 9/9/11 10:36 AM |
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Daisy32
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
As the daughter of a Disabled American Veteran...nothing could stop me from saying the pledge as it is written EVERY SINGLE DAY.
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| Posted 9/9/11 10:40 AM |
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faerychel
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
Posted by Hofstra26
Good lord!! Now I've heard it all! Is there ANYTHING left in this country that isn't an issue with someone?? There is always someone, somewhere who has a problem with something. This country is just out of hand with everyone trying to cater to EVERY single person's belief systems and worrying about EVERY single person's feelings.
I look at the Pledge as just a tradition, what in heck is there to be offended by? The word "God"? Really, offended by a WORD??!! Sorry but it takes a lot more to offend me. I am NOT religious at all, I don't go to church, I don't pray BUT I also don't have ANY problem with reciting the Pledge as is. Interpret "God" to fit whatever your belief system is. If you can't bear to say the word, then don't say that part. Rewriting the Pledge is LUDICROUS to me and eliminating it is equally as RIDICULOUS.
Amen, Sista! 
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| Posted 9/9/11 10:44 AM |
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dpli
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
I think students should say it every day. I believe in God, I don't think "under God" belongs in the pledge and as pointed out, was not in the original version.
I think it's about respect. Respecting the struggles of our founding fathers to establish this country, our armed forces who protect and sacrifice for our country and those who serve the country in many other ways. I taught in Catholic schools and we had students who were not Catholic. Those students did not have to recite morning prayers, but did have to stand up during prayers out of respect. I sort of see the pledge in a similar light. We teach it to our children to educate them about our history and to repsect those who came before. They shouldn't be forced to say it, but they should have respect for it, IMO.
But I am also the sap who tears up and sings when they play our national anthem at the Olympics.
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| Posted 9/9/11 10:49 AM |
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Bearcat
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
Posted by Hofstra26
Good lord!! Now I've heard it all! Is there ANYTHING left in this country that isn't an issue with someone?? There is always someone, somewhere who has a problem with something. This country is just out of hand with everyone trying to cater to EVERY single person's belief systems and worrying about EVERY single person's feelings.
I look at the Pledge as just a tradition, what in heck is there to be offended by? The word "God"? Really, offended by a WORD??!! Sorry but it takes a lot more to offend me. I am NOT religious at all, I don't go to church, I don't pray BUT I also don't have ANY problem with reciting the Pledge as is. Interpret "God" to fit whatever your belief system is. If you can't bear to say the word, then don't say that part. Rewriting the Pledge is LUDICROUS to me and eliminating it is equally as RIDICULOUS.
i absolutely agree with this.
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| Posted 9/9/11 11:01 AM |
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MRsFaTThead
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WHO GIVES A POO WHO GIVES A FUDGE !!
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
Posted by Kazuri
I said the Pledge every single morning in school from kindergarten till senior year. We got our "lesson" about it in 2nd grade, when we learned to spell "allegiance".
Every morning I would recite
I pledge allegiance to the flag (Hey did they move the flag again?)
Of the United States of America
And to the republic for which it stands (DID I FORGET MY MATH HOMEWORK?!)
one nation, under God, indivisible (don't say invisible Mrs. Geiger does not think that's funny)
with liberty and justice for all (OMG I think Hunter Kimball just smiled at me!!  )
Mindless reciting did not make me patriotic. Watching the news, discussing current affairs, learning history, traveling around the country and community service made me realize how amazing this country is.
ITA
to another poster
i belive in 1957 the $1 bill became the first piece of currency to bear the words: "IN GOD WE TRUST".
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| Posted 9/9/11 11:23 AM |
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moonmist09
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
i just came back form an extended trip abroad.
not once, in any of over the 10 countried that i visited, did i see people with a lack of national pride. even in the poorest of countries, they were proud to say that i am from ___ even though, in my eyes, or in most of western society, we would see them as, wow, what do you have to look forward to. but they do, even if they have nothing else, they can still say, I am ____ and proud.
I truly think its such a shame that in America, our children are not taught the same things in school. We grow up resenting AMerica and what is stands for and then we wonder why other countries feel the way they do about us!
When i was growing up, I had to say the pledge of allegiance every single day. I took pride in the fact that i belonged to a great nation. Now, everyone has a problem with something. If you don't want to say it, don't. if you want to say it, but don't like the "under God" part, then don't say those two words. But stand up and respect the country that you live in and that for many, gave them a new chane at life.
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| Posted 9/9/11 11:56 AM |
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moonmist09
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
Posted by Bearcat
Posted by Hofstra26
Good lord!! Now I've heard it all! Is there ANYTHING left in this country that isn't an issue with someone?? There is always someone, somewhere who has a problem with something. This country is just out of hand with everyone trying to cater to EVERY single person's belief systems and worrying about EVERY single person's feelings.
I look at the Pledge as just a tradition, what in heck is there to be offended by? The word "God"? Really, offended by a WORD??!! Sorry but it takes a lot more to offend me. I am NOT religious at all, I don't go to church, I don't pray BUT I also don't have ANY problem with reciting the Pledge as is. Interpret "God" to fit whatever your belief system is. If you can't bear to say the word, then don't say that part. Rewriting the Pledge is LUDICROUS to me and eliminating it is equally as RIDICULOUS.
i absolutely agree with this.
100% agree with this
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| Posted 9/9/11 11:58 AM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
Posted by bookworm
I personally think the pledge is creepy.
The "under God" part is a whole separate issue; it doesn't belong there because we are supposed to enjoy a government based on separation of church and state. I don't get wound up about it, but still.
But in general, it's just weird to me that we force children to stand and recite this thing in unison and pledge loyalty to something they're not even old enough to understand. It's like something right out of 1984.
But I'm a a teacher, so I make them stand. I stand up out of respect and say nothing.
I don't think I'd have used the term "creepy" but I agree with most of this. Most kids really don't know what it means. As I said before I don't know what it accomplishes or teaches to have to stand up and pledge allegiance to your country every day. Are these kids secret operatives or something? "Under God" was added 5o years ago, so I really can't agree with anyone who treats it as sacrosanct and saying it can't be changed. That itself was a change. I don't think I would have supported that addition. Asking God to protect my country or praising God is what prayers are for, I thought this was to pledge allegiance?
On the other hand I mean one thing I can see the value in having them recite is is that that DO learn it so that they will know it and hopefully it can have meaning later on. I teach CCD and each week we have the children say prayers. Especially since my children are special needs and some are very young I doubt they understand a LOT of what they're saying, but I'm hoping their hearts are in the right place when they say it and as they grow older, it can take on a more full meaning. In that vein I think reciting the pledge, I guess , in theory can be helpful.. but why? Why do we need to pledge allegiance? What does that serve? If all kids are getting to be proud of their country is a pledge they don't understand and some other jingoistic phrases, then we're not teaching them well at all.
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Goldi0218
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
I support saying it. I support using the word "G-d" but I would not force a student or a child to if they did not want to.
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| Posted 9/9/11 12:16 PM |
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jennygirl13
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
Posted by MikesBride
Posted by dm24angel
It is creepy to me as well. I don't think it is neccesary to recite every day a pledge to a country just because you live there. I consider myself lucky to have many freedoms...but I don't consider myself lucky to live in the US,...if I were born somewhere else and researching places to live and were afforded the opportunity and had the financial means..I would not live here. This doesn't mean I don't. Respect our government...our leaders...our army's. I do. I simply do not need to show this support because I'm forced to.
I agree with this word for word. If I didn't have the familial ties keeping me here there's no way I'd live in this country. I also agree with other posters who have said its kind of creepy...children don't even understand what they are pledging their allegiance to, yet we continue to (IMO) turn them into unquestioning drones.
I think the pledge should be said everyday. Im not even all that patriotic. With all due respect I do not think a 20 second recitation will turn anyone into an unquestioning drone. Video Games maybe, the hours of TV I admittedly let me son watch definitely, but not a 20 second speech.
I'd love to live in a world with no borders and equal rights for all but it's just not reality right now (Maybe one day)
I think human beings need to be a part of something and teaching children respect for their country is a good lesson. By the way I am a registered independent who always questions and criticizes the government. But I have a great respect for the fundamental values the country was based on and the men and women who fight to protect them.
If your gonna teach children a mantra with liberty and justice for all is not a bad one.
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Otherme
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
I don't have a problem with it being said in schools, but i definitely don't think anyone should be forced to say it if they don't want to
We are a nation of liberty.. and if someone doesn't want to recite something then they don't have to.
In high school i used to skip saying the pledge during home room because i was too busy trying to get my math homework done before class.. and i got in trouble for it. I was told that i didn't have to say it, but i at least had to stand up out of respect to the tradition. At the time, i didn't understand and grumbled about it, but now i get it. Showing respect for a tradition IS important.
However, i personally don't agree with the 'under God' part either - as someone who is very mindful of how religion is forced down your throat by government everywhere, despite our supposed separation of church and state.. i think it should be removed from the pledge.
FTR, i think its very easy for some posters to at the people who do have issues with saying it, or who are questioning it - because to them its no big deal. But to anyone who does question it, its more of a larger issue of government telling people what to do, and having the fundamental right to be able to question and not just blindly follow.
So it's not something to just dismiss with a 'if you don't like it, leave' comment or 'i don't see what the big deal is'. To some people it IS a big deal.
And that ability to question and discuss things is what makes this country so appealing, and so great to many people.
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| Posted 9/9/11 2:25 PM |
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jlm2008
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
Posted by tink23
Posted by emilylives
The almost even split in the comments with the huge discrepancy in the poll is interesting. Why aren't more pro-pledge people speaking up?
Pro-pledger over here; I just didn't feel the need to comment. My poll vote speaks for me. I don't feel the need to elaborate on my opinion.
I can't speak for everybody, but for myself, I don't feel like being bashed. Probably other posters feel the same way. It's always the minority who is the most vocal. I just got bashed by multiple posters bcause I said I can't understand why Suri Cruise is allowed to wear heels!!!!!!!!!!I'm certainly not going to comment on this!! This is why I love polls.
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ChilisWife
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
Posted by moonmist09
Posted by Bearcat
Posted by Hofstra26
Good lord!! Now I've heard it all! Is there ANYTHING left in this country that isn't an issue with someone?? There is always someone, somewhere who has a problem with something. This country is just out of hand with everyone trying to cater to EVERY single person's belief systems and worrying about EVERY single person's feelings.
I look at the Pledge as just a tradition, what in heck is there to be offended by? The word "God"? Really, offended by a WORD??!! Sorry but it takes a lot more to offend me. I am NOT religious at all, I don't go to church, I don't pray BUT I also don't have ANY problem with reciting the Pledge as is. Interpret "God" to fit whatever your belief system is. If you can't bear to say the word, then don't say that part. Rewriting the Pledge is LUDICROUS to me and eliminating it is equally as RIDICULOUS.
i absolutely agree with this.
100% agree with this
Totally what I was thinking.
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| Posted 9/9/11 7:10 PM |
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KCCL
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
IMO It's not about anyone's belief in one single "God".
It's about pledging your allegiance to the country that affords you the right to be "free" and that you are loyal and grateful to that belief.
I always felt that the "one nation under"God" part was open to whatever "God" that particular person prayed to / believed in.
And yes it should be recited in schools everyday.
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I am pro pledge and would love to see the Pledge still be recited in schools, not because of tradition but because of the public recognition of America, our history, and unity. If we, as Americans, cant even respect a simple tradition like reciting the Pledge, what other traditions are Americans going to start abolishing?
I agree with a PP that mentioned the feeling of national pride displayed by foreign nations. I have lived in Europe and South America and never realized how many freedoms we take for granted as Americans. If I had not had those experiences abroad, i dont think i would have appreciated how wonderful our nation really is! To me, saying the Pledge every day is just a small price to pay for paying homage to our great nation. I am proud to be an American citizen and for me, reciting the Pledge reinforces that sentiment. 
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| Posted 9/9/11 7:52 PM |
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Naner325
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
Posted by Hofstra26
Good lord!! Now I've heard it all! Is there ANYTHING left in this country that isn't an issue with someone?? There is always someone, somewhere who has a problem with something. This country is just out of hand with everyone trying to cater to EVERY single person's belief systems and worrying about EVERY single person's feelings.
I look at the Pledge as just a tradition, what in heck is there to be offended by? The word "God"? Really, offended by a WORD??!! Sorry but it takes a lot more to offend me. I am NOT religious at all, I don't go to church, I don't pray BUT I also don't have ANY problem with reciting the Pledge as is. Interpret "God" to fit whatever your belief system is. If you can't bear to say the word, then don't say that part. Rewriting the Pledge is LUDICROUS to me and eliminating it is equally as RIDICULOUS.
I agree with this word for word
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| Posted 9/9/11 8:16 PM |
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
Posted by moonmist09
i just came back form an extended trip abroad.
not once, in any of over the 10 countried that i visited, did i see people with a lack of national pride. even in the poorest of countries, they were proud to say that i am from ___ even though, in my eyes, or in most of western society, we would see them as, wow, what do you have to look forward to. but they do, even if they have nothing else, they can still say, I am ____ and proud.
I truly think its such a shame that in America, our children are not taught the same things in school. We grow up resenting AMerica and what is stands for and then we wonder why other countries feel the way they do about us!
When i was growing up, I had to say the pledge of allegiance every single day. I took pride in the fact that i belonged to a great nation. Now, everyone has a problem with something. If you don't want to say it, don't. if you want to say it, but don't like the "under God" part, then don't say those two words. But stand up and respect the country that you live in and that for many, gave them a new chane at life.
I couldn't agree with this more. I think its a shame that we, as a nation, aren't proud to be from America. I remember coming home from school and asking my dad, "What nationality are you?" I think it is a common question to ask, and I wanted to know our family background. He knew what I was asking and quickly said, "I'm American." That is the only answer he would give me and I find myself doing the same thing now and plan on answering that question from my kids in the same way. I think there are too many people out there that are 3rd, 4th, or 5th generation Americans that are more proud of being Italian or Irish then they are of being American, and I really don't understand. I think its funny that the only time we are patriotic is when there is a USA sporting event going on or something bad happens to our country. I think learning more about the pledge and saying it with pride could go a long way.
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lynnd126
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
I don't think "God" should be something one has to purposely omit from public education. I think it should be something one has ADD as in you should go to a religious institution instead of public school.
I thought that freedom of religion is one of the institutions this country was built on- so I don't understand how mixing church and state is showing respect for our country.
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Momma2Be
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
Posted by Naner325
Posted by Hofstra26
Good lord!! Now I've heard it all! Is there ANYTHING left in this country that isn't an issue with someone?? There is always someone, somewhere who has a problem with something. This country is just out of hand with everyone trying to cater to EVERY single person's belief systems and worrying about EVERY single person's feelings.
I look at the Pledge as just a tradition, what in heck is there to be offended by? The word "God"? Really, offended by a WORD??!! Sorry but it takes a lot more to offend me. I am NOT religious at all, I don't go to church, I don't pray BUT I also don't have ANY problem with reciting the Pledge as is. Interpret "God" to fit whatever your belief system is. If you can't bear to say the word, then don't say that part. Rewriting the Pledge is LUDICROUS to me and eliminating it is equally as RIDICULOUS.
I agree with this word for word
me too
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jgl
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
Posted by ChrisDee
Maybe kids would feel more patriotic about saying it,if there was a lesson on the meaning of the pledge. I never recall a lesson and I just asked my 5th grader and.... NOPE no lesson as of yet. How can they feel patriotic about something that was never explained to them. KWIM?
My school does. Tesch 1st gr in NYC and teach the meaning of the words.
I think it needs to be said every day. I think it should be said in more places. We need to be reminded more often how lucky we are.
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| Posted 9/9/11 9:34 PM |
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MommaG
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance
I think the pledge should be said every day. If the children don't understand what it means - teach them. At my school, we dissected the pledge word by word, phrase by phrase until we understood it and the meaning behind it. So we could say it with meaning and with respect for our country and the people that fought and died for our rights - even our right not to say it. But at the very least, you should stand silently and respectfully while the pledge is recited.
Maybe your issue should be with the less than stellar education your child is receiving at their school if they are not taught the meaning behind the words. I'm sure their education is lacking in many other ways too. Work to change that.
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