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blu6385
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S/O daycare - naps and NYS
so a spin off to my daycare post. my daycare just told me that all children are required to nap and they can no longer allow my almost 5 yo daughter to not be put down for a nap.
they told me I now need to get a dr note for this. they said I guess the state doesn't want the daycare holding naps because the daycare want s too 
I find this ridiculous how as a parent I cant make the decision to not allow my daughter to sleep if I don't want too her too. or better yet even limit her how long she sleeps for without a doctors note!
I was at dr yesterday and asked my ped and he looked at me like I was carzy  he said never had to write a letter before and to find out exactly what he has to write.
so is my daycare being overly cautious now because of the issues they just had (you can ref. my other post) or is this really a NYS rule?!
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NervousNell
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Re: S/O daycare - naps and NYS
I used a very strict daycare center that followed the letter of the law and was always having state inspectors come down unexpectedly to check that they were following rules. They were an accredited center
And I can tell you- nobody napped after the 3 year old room
Starting in the 4's- the Pre K class- no naps.
It is most definitely not a state law
If it was, my center would have enforced it
I call BS
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ppm80
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S/O daycare - naps and NYS
I'm not sure if this is an NYS rule, but I've only ever heard of daycares/nursery schools allowing "quiet time" (reading, resting, puzzle) instead of naps. I think it is very odd that your daycare suddenly strictly requires naps.
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| Posted 9/18/15 1:14 PM |
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blu6385
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Re: S/O daycare - naps and NYS
Posted by ppm80
I'm not sure if this is an NYS rule, but I've only ever heard of daycares/nursery schools allowing "quiet time" (reading, resting, puzzle) instead of naps. I think it is very odd that your daycare suddenly strictly requires naps.
they have gotten hit with a lot of violations for not having required paper work on file so this is why this is coming up.
I probably worded this wrong I am thinking that she needs to be sat on her mat and she can probably do what she wants there but and if she falls asleep they have to let her and they cant wake her . I want her just to sit at the table OR if she does fall asleep that's fine I just cant have her sleeping past 2:00 2:30 and this is because she does not go to sleep at night.
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blu6385
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Re: S/O daycare - naps and NYS
Posted by NervousNell
I used a very strict daycare center that followed the letter of the law and was always having state inspectors come down unexpectedly to check that they were following rules. They were an accredited center
And I can tell you- nobody napped after the 3 year old room
Starting in the 4's- the Pre K class- no naps.
It is most definitely not a state law
If it was, my center would have enforced it
I call BS
see I don't get why they even have naps at this age. I feel at Pre-k granted I know most are not full days they should not be napping them so they can get ready for K when there is no naps!
my friend who use to work in a daycare years ago (at least 10 years ago) also told me they where also required to have everyone minimally rest on mats.
in the long run if they really want a drs note my dr will write me the note I just wanted to see if this was really a NYS law or not! if it is, it should be good enough that as a parent I can write the note saying not to have my kid nap and not have to get one from my dr.
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Re: S/O daycare - naps and NYS
Posted by blu6385
Posted by ppm80
I'm not sure if this is an NYS rule, but I've only ever heard of daycares/nursery schools allowing "quiet time" (reading, resting, puzzle) instead of naps. I think it is very odd that your daycare suddenly strictly requires naps.
they have gotten hit with a lot of violations for not having required paper work on file so this is why this is coming up.
I probably worded this wrong I am thinking that she needs to be sat on her mat and she can probably do what she wants there but and if she falls asleep they have to let her and they cant wake her . I want her just to sit at the table OR if she does fall asleep that's fine I just cant have her sleeping past 2:00 2:30 and this is because she does not go to sleep at night.
Sounds like they are making sh*t up now. I don't want my daughter napping past 230 and they always wake her if necessary. No issues and I love my DDs daycare.
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rmanani
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S/O daycare - naps and NYS
At my kids current daycare, the kids have to stay on their mats during nap/rest time. If they are not sleeping, they are given books or something quiet to do. This daycare will not wake up a child regardless of how long they sleep. One time I had to pick my son up for a doctors appt and he was sleeping. They said I had to wake him up because they weren't allowed to. Not sure if this was their rule or a state rule.
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MyBabyG
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From what my DD daycare has told me, they need to be on their mats for at least 20 minutes when it is nap time. If she doesn't nap, then she can play quietly in somewhere in the room, (drawing, play doh, etc) Or they would take her into another room as to not bother the other kids. She is in the pre-school room now and I think she has actually naped one or two times. (she goes to an accredited center)
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NYCGirl80
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Re: S/O daycare - naps and NYS
It is a law, as of about a year ago. Google it -
The naptime rules will require child-care centers to create written agreements with parents detailing whether a child will nap, where the child will nap, what type of surface the child will nap on and who will be supervising the child.
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ppm80
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Re: S/O daycare - naps and NYS
Posted by NYCGirl80
It is a law, as of about a year ago. Google it -
The naptime rules will require child-care centers to create written agreements with parents detailing whether a child will nap, where the child will nap, what type of surface the child will nap on and who will be supervising the child.
That is *if* the child naps. If a child doesn't nap, it seems that this provision applies:
"(w) Children unable to sleep during nap time shall not be confined to a sleeping
surface (cot, crib, etc) but instead must be offered a supervised place for quiet
play."
http://ocfs.ny.gov/main/childcare/regs/418-1%20DCC%20effective%206.1.15.pdf
A summary of the new rules:
http://wivb.com/2015/06/02/new-rules-for-state-day-care-centers-change-what-children-eat-regulates-naps/
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NervousNell
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Re: S/O daycare - naps and NYS
Exactly! Your center is twisting the words of the law
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| Posted 9/18/15 3:52 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: S/O daycare - naps and NYS
Exactly! Your center is twisting the words of the law
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blu6385
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Posted by NervousNell
Exactly! Your center is twisting the words of the law
I honestly don't think they are purposely trying to get out of letting my daughter not nap they just seem to be confused or being overly cautious cause I am now confused.
so I can request they aren't to be put down for nap? am I allowed to say if they sleep they have to wake up? and they are allowed to listen to me.
if you let my DD lay down she usually falls asleep I just don't want her too or I want them to wake her up that's the problem I am facing
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I worked at a daycare and there is a law that they all need to rest. Now some kids didn't nap but they had to stay in there mats for the time. Read books, color just hang out. But it most def is a law. We had parents tell us to not let the kid nap. Most of those kids stayed awake no matter what. Some would fall asleep every now and again. We didn't wake them. I don't remember if we didn't or weren't allowed to.
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Re: S/O daycare - naps and NYS
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Posted by NervousNell
Exactly! Your center is twisting the words of the law
I honestly don't think they are purposely trying to get out of letting my daughter not nap they just seem to be confused or being overly cautious cause I am now confused.
so I can request they aren't to be put down for nap? am I allowed to say if they sleep they have to wake up? and they are allowed to listen to me.
if you let my DD lay down she usually falls asleep I just don't want her too or I want them to wake her up that's the problem I am facing
I can tell you that when DD' still had naps at daycare- in the 3 year old room- there were some parents who requested no naps- because it screwed up their kids' sleep schedule. Those kids had to sit quietly and play, while the others napped. The lights were out.
I don't know, I am a big believer in this is MY kid. Nobody tells me what to do with MY kid.
Especially in a place where I'm paying you a mortgage payment a month.
No way. It wouldn't fly with me.
You absolutely should have a say.
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ppm80
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Re: S/O daycare - naps and NYS
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Exactly! Your center is twisting the words of the law
I honestly don't think they are purposely trying to get out of letting my daughter not nap they just seem to be confused or being overly cautious cause I am now confused.
so I can request they aren't to be put down for nap? am I allowed to say if they sleep they have to wake up? and they are allowed to listen to me.
if you let my DD lay down she usually falls asleep I just don't want her too or I want them to wake her up that's the problem I am facing
There is also this in the regulations:
"(n) For day and evening care, appropriate rest and quiet periods, that are responsive to individual and group needs, must be provided so that children can sit quietly or lie down to rest."
I wouldn't read the regulations as going so far as controlling *whether* a child must nap during the required rest times; that would be absurd. They just cover policies for nappers and for non-nappers. I think your daycare is confused.
FYI, this is the new "written agreement" that my son's nursery school had us all sign this year in response to the new regulations.
http://weefriendsbellmore.com/wp-content/uploads/Wee-Friends-Too-Rest-and-Nap-Time-Policy.pdf
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SLPRunner
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I'd look up the law and print out the pertinent section and show it to the daycare director. They probably are being overly cautious but it sounds like they are also misinterpreting the law.
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| Posted 9/18/15 7:04 PM |
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Re: S/O daycare - naps and NYS
Our preschool has this as part of the day for full day students: but it's quiet or nap time. Kids can get a book and "read".
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They are required to make all children "rest". It's not actually a nap requirement. Obviously you can't make a child sleep. I believe it's 20 mins of rest and than you must provide a child who isn't sleeping with a quite activity.
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| Posted 9/18/15 9:15 PM |
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S/O daycare - naps and NYS
The law changed recently - I was talking to my 3 year old's teacher the other day. When my older son was in Pre-K - at nap time, they put the nappers in one room and took the non-nappers out and let them play. They are no longer allowed to do that, everyone needs to rest on their mats at "naptime"...
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Re: S/O daycare - naps and NYS
Wow I find that odd... my DS goes to a special needs school but its full day.. at age 2 they did take a nap but at age 3 no more naps. He has dropped naps at home too anyway.
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Posted by ali120206
The law changed recently - I was talking to my 3 year old's teacher the other day. When my older son was in Pre-K - at nap time, they put the nappers in one room and took the non-nappers out and let them play. They are no longer allowed to do that, everyone needs to rest on their mats at "naptime"...
see this is all confusing! seems like no one has a straight answer! 
I talked to my daycare I am just going to get note from the dr saying to follow whatever the parent suggest regards to nap time. if it makes them feel they are covering things from their end with NYS than I will just do it.
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Re: S/O daycare - naps and NYS
Posted by NervousNell
I can tell you that when DD' still had naps at daycare- in the 3 year old room- there were some parents who requested no naps- because it screwed up their kids' sleep schedule. Those kids had to sit quietly and play, while the others napped. The lights were out.
I don't know, I am a big believer in this is MY kid. Nobody tells me what to do with MY kid.
Especially in a place where I'm paying you a mortgage payment a month.
No way. It wouldn't fly with me.
You absolutely should have a say.
I am 100% with you and they are listening to me anyway they just ask I get the note so I will if it makes them feel better.
I just personally cant believe NYS requires any such nap time. It should be 100% on the parent and not a requirement. If I don't want my 2, 3 or 4 yo sleeping I should be able to just say that and not have anyone say they have to sit on a mat and rest quietly. they should be able to sit at a table and have quiet time. I don't need someone who doesn't know my child have some wide spread rule that children must nap/rest. (obviously no one can force a kid to sleep but my point is no one should have to force they whole kids need to be on a mat resting! )
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NervousNell
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Re: S/O daycare - naps and NYS
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
I can tell you that when DD' still had naps at daycare- in the 3 year old room- there were some parents who requested no naps- because it screwed up their kids' sleep schedule. Those kids had to sit quietly and play, while the others napped. The lights were out.
I don't know, I am a big believer in this is MY kid. Nobody tells me what to do with MY kid.
Especially in a place where I'm paying you a mortgage payment a month.
No way. It wouldn't fly with me.
You absolutely should have a say.
I am 100% with you and they are listening to me anyway they just ask I get the note so I will if it makes them feel better.
I just personally cant believe NYS requires any such nap time. It should be 100% on the parent and not a requirement. If I don't want my 2, 3 or 4 yo sleeping I should be able to just say that and not have anyone say they have to sit on a mat and rest quietly. they should be able to sit at a table and have quiet time. I don't need someone who doesn't know my child have some wide spread rule that children must nap/rest. (obviously no one can force a kid to sleep but my point is no one should have to force they whole kids need to be on a mat resting! )
Exactly. I feel like things are becoming a little bit too Big Brother in this country for me lately.
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Re: S/O daycare - naps and NYS
I know - my older son just graduated Pre-K and played in a room with lights on (or outside) during naptime with the non-nappers.
But, the other day when I asked the daycare to stop napping my kid who's in the 3s class they mentioned that all kids, even pre-k, have to rest on their mats. I guess we can send in a note - my kids stay up so late if they nap!
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