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Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

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newlywedT
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Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

DS was evaluated by EI for speech issues.
Half of his words are not understandable.

Fish = Gish
Orange = R-gin
Macaroni = nani
Finger = gin-ger

When the evaluator came by he said that they work on speech delays not pronunciation.
But DS is very safe and did not participate in any of the tests, so I think the report will say he is speech delayed since there is no "proof" he can speak.

But my wife is saying this is a waste of time because he has no delay in speech but has a problem with the pronunciation which EI already said they don't work on.

Is it true that EI doesn't do anything for the clarity of the words?

Thanks

Posted 5/24/18 2:58 PM
 
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mommy2B3
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Re: Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

Not true. My DD is receiving EI services for articulation (she’s 4).

I believe they don’t do articulation before 3 YO, but don’t quote me on that.

Posted 5/24/18 3:39 PM
 

starbrightgirl8
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Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

From what we were told, Early Intervention, which is through the county, does not do articulation only. However, at 3 years old, you can get evaluated through your school district's committee on preschool special education program, which does do articulation. I think part of the reason is because before age 3 having articulation issues is still considered age appropriate developmentally, and in order to get services, the child needs to have a disability, which means the child is significantly developmentally behind their peers. At least that is how it was explained to us.

Posted 5/24/18 3:56 PM
 

MrsT809
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Re: Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

Posted by mommy2B3

Not true. My DD is receiving EI services for articulation (she’s 4).

I believe they don’t do articulation before 3 YO, but don’t quote me on that.



Do you mean cpse? Early intervention doesn't cover 4yos.

Posted 5/24/18 4:12 PM
 

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Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

correct. EI won't give services for articulation only. But CPSE will. How old is your child? They don't do it bc in EI they are just too young for their articulation to really be tested. We purposely waited for my daughter to turn 3 to get her tested for this reason

Posted 5/24/18 4:19 PM
 

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Re: Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

Posted by mommy2B3

Not true. My DD is receiving EI services for articulation (she’s 4).

I believe they don’t do articulation before 3 YO, but don’t quote me on that.



before 3 is EI..

Posted 5/24/18 4:20 PM
 

amac27
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Re: Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

Early Intervention mostly checks to see if there is a receptive delay- basically if your child understands. However, if you are approved, your speech therapist could absolutely work on pronunciation. Once they are 3, they are evaluated by CPSE through the school district and CPSE would be more likely to work with pronunciation.

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Posted 5/24/18 4:52 PM
 

SLPRunner
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Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

It's true. A child probably won't qualify for EI speech based on articulation alone. Other factors would have to be at play. Once the child is close to 3 you can call the special education department in your school district and go through CPSE.

Posted 5/24/18 6:27 PM
 

babyfever24
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Re: Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

This is true, under the age of three early intervention does not address articulation due to the fact that some of these errors are in fact age appropriate. once the child is four and in CPSE he or she may qualify.

Posted 5/24/18 8:18 PM
 

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Re: Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

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Posted by mommy2B3

Not true. My DD is receiving EI services for articulation (she’s 4).

I believe they don’t do articulation before 3 YO, but don’t quote me on that.



Do you mean cpse? Early intervention doesn't cover 4yos.



So sorry guys, I really shouldn’t have answered since I’m OOS. I didn’t realize it was different.

Posted 5/24/18 9:18 PM
 

ChristinaM128
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Re: Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

Posted by babyfever24

This is true, under the age of three early intervention does not address articulation due to the fact that some of these errors are in fact age appropriate. once the child is four and in CPSE he or she may qualify.



Yes to the first part but they can fall into cpse just shy of age 3. I believe it’s 2 years, 8 months. Definitely well before age 4.

Posted 5/24/18 9:19 PM
 

EricaAlt
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Re: Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

That's correct. My DS had EI since 1 because he had delays. We are in NJ so at 3 he went into the POP program at the ELC where he got speech everyday and OT along with regular preschool stuff.
My 2nd DS had no delays or issues, but he doesn't pronounce certain things correctly. He's in 1st grade now. I spoke with the Speech teacher at the school since I know her well from my older DS and she evaluated him, but said he doesn't need speech. As long as it's not effecting his spelling he doesn't need it, but they will keep an eye on him. Also gave me some packets to work with him on.

Most friends I know went for private Speech and paid for pronunciation.
At a young age most kids will outgrow the speech issues as long as they don't believe it's a delay. Also, like I said as they get older as long as it's not effecting their spelling too. Just keep working on it and if your still concerned contact a private speech teacher.

Posted 5/25/18 8:22 AM
 

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Re: Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

It really depends on the scores, but at 2 in my experience they are not going to get services just for articulation if there is no receptive especially language delay. Many districts don’t provide speech for just articulation at CPSE or school aged either. When I was a kid, my district did. Probably another $$ based cut back.

Posted 5/25/18 12:48 PM
 

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Re: Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

True. We had DD evaluated at 2. Our only concern was articulation. They told us ahead of time that they don't service only articulation but we could still do the eval if we wanted. We decided to do it anyway.

She really didn't have any words. However, her receptive language has always been high and she would "communicate" by gesturing and bringing us over to what she wanted. Therefore, she didn't qualify. However, the evaluators told me to get her tested through the school district (CPSE) once she was 2.5 b/c they will cover only articulation. She did qualify through the district and received services for a year before being discontinued.

FYI: Children are eligible to be tested through the district they year they turn 3. So, if the child's birthday is between Jan. 1 and June 30, they are eligible starting January 2 of that year. If their birthday is between July 1 and December 31, they are eligible July 1 of that year. For example, DD turned 3 in June of 2017 so she was eligible starting Jan. 2, 2017. Put in for the eval before they will be age eligible because it takes a while to get everything started. I put in my request in November 2016 so we could everything set by the time she was eligible.

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Posted 5/25/18 6:17 PM
 

Wishes1111
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Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

True as previously posted. If you search speech sound development charts you will see the expectations for when a child will began to produce a sound and the typical time it should be mastered (3 years old is the earliest). There are also patterns and processes that are also considered normal where children leave out certain sounds, etc.

Posted 5/25/18 9:51 PM
 

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Re: Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

EI doesn't look at articulation until at least 3 years of age. EI will address both receptive and expressive delays; a child can qualify for services if there is a significant enough delay in either of these areas.

Posted 5/28/18 7:07 PM
 

autumnmoon
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Re: Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

Posted by Chai77

It really depends on the scores, but at 2 in my experience they are not going to get services just for articulation if there is no receptive especially language delay. Many districts don’t provide speech for just articulation at CPSE or school aged either. When I was a kid, my district did. Probably another $$ based cut back.




A receptive delay is language based, scores for speech evals are based on both expressive and receptive. A child can be low in one area or both. You are correct, EI doesn't look at articulation at that age, however a child can absolutely qualify for speech services at 4 based on articulation. Elementary schools also offer speech services for school age children with articulation issues.

Posted 5/28/18 7:16 PM
 

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Re: Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

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Posted by Chai77

It really depends on the scores, but at 2 in my experience they are not going to get services just for articulation if there is no receptive especially language delay. Many districts don’t provide speech for just articulation at CPSE or school aged either. When I was a kid, my district did. Probably another $$ based cut back.




A receptive delay is language based, scores for speech evals are based on both expressive and receptive. A child can be low in one area or both. You are correct, EI doesn't look at articulation at that age, however a child can absolutely qualify for speech services at 4 based on articulation. Elementary schools also offer speech services for school age children with articulation issues.



I understand about language scores being compromised of expressive and receptive language scores. S/L assessments typically measure language and depending on age articulation. I was saying that at age 2, receptive language is key and they are not expected to be able to express as much as they understand.

Every district is obviously different, but in my experience with many districts, it is not so typical that they qualify for services for just articulation unless the scores are really low or they have other language/other delays as well. My district offers no ERSS speech even to K students.

Posted 5/29/18 7:12 AM
 

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Re: Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

This is true EI does not care about articulation if they say a word even if it does not sound correct it counts. EI told me the school cares about articulation I got DS evaluate before 2 and he did not qualify for speech because of this. He would have had to score really low in 3 areas and he did not.

However at 3 I got him evaluated through the school and he receives services. Speech being one of them.

Posted 5/29/18 11:53 AM
 

newlywedT
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Early Intervention doesn't do Pronunciation?

Thanks for all the replies.

Not sure of the results of the evaluation yet.
DS is very timid so did not do anything the evaluators asked of him.
He did not say one word to them, he did not respond to any requests of them ("Point to the yellow car" - he just sat there) - even when we asked him to "say car" he would not. or if we asked him to "point at the yellow car" he would not.

They even had me get some peanuts and see if he would speak - he did not.

Of course when they were packing up he crawled over and said "give me more peanuts" - wtf

But I don't think they heard that so since he didn't demonstrate anything we might get speech help.
Although if he is not willing to do anything due to scaredness , not sure how the EI would work.

Message edited 5/29/2018 3:46:03 PM.

Posted 5/29/18 3:45 PM
 
 

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